2019 Cricket World Cup - Discussion & Analysis - page 18.

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Quote from: vella85 on June 17, 2019, 05:32:05 PM

Like I mentioned in the other discussion thread about Bangladesh, they could be the dark horse of this World Cup and I even said that they could sneak into the top 4 and play in the semi-finals. They have shown that they can play well against the good teams and maybe this World Cup is their time to shine. It will take just one slip up from one of the top 4 teams and Bangladesh can sneak in. Right now that team could be New Zealand as they haven't played the top team yet so we could see Bangladesh make it, outside of the top 4 I think Bangladesh is the better team.

There is no need to get excited over a win against the West Indies. The Windies are no longer one of the cricket powerhouses. But it was a good comfortable victory, and will do a lot to strengthen the morale of the Bangladeshi players. But for them, the big test is coming up. Their next match is against Australia on 20th and to be honest I have zero hopes for an upset. And then they will face the South Asian teams (AFG, IND, PAK). Unless they manage to win 3 out of their next 4 matches, I don't think that they can qualify for the playoffs.

I'm not getting excited my friend, I'm just saying that Bangladesh have a good chance to make the semi-finals. Yes I agree they have a big test coming up as they start to play two of the top teams in the tournament however I can see them winning 2 of the 4 matches coming up. I don't think they will beat Australia and India but the other two matches they can win if they play well. Then they just need New Zealand to drop a few matches and Bangladesh will be in with a shot to make the semi-finals. New Zealand's last couple of matches are against Australia and England and we never know what the WI can do on a good day so potentially New Zealand could lose 3-4 matches coming up so lets see what happens.

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This might be the first world cup with so much unpredictable results and more matches being washed out due to weather, i made a small bet against Bangladesh against their match with West Indies and on papers West Indies have a long batting line up with batsman who could easily clear the ropes with ease but Bangladesh dominated them while chasing and ending up winning quite easily, any cricket experts here expecting any other upset in this tournament, if so i would like to hear.

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Quote from: akamit on June 17, 2019, 11:05:41 PM

Btw, I didn't know that so many countries are playing cricket now, that's amazing. Maybe in future we will see 32 team world cups, any thoughts?

There are many countries playing cricket and they are conducting tournaments between these assiciate countries for a long time and with the introduction of T20 cricket we might see more countries participating in the T20 world cup in the future but not in ODI or Test cricket, the level of talent pool in the top teams in internaional cricket which is ICC full member teams and Associate teams cannot be compared, these associate members usually play in qualifying tournaments before every ICC events and if they qualify they can play in world cup and other ICC events.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 18, 2019, 09:02:48 AM

Quote from: akamit on June 17, 2019, 11:05:41 PM

Btw, I didn't know that so many countries are playing cricket now, that's amazing. Maybe in future we will see 32 team world cups, any thoughts?

The list is from Twenty20, most of the country is not qualified for ODI & Test.
Pakistan, England, South Africa, Australia, India, New Zealand, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh, Nepal, Scotland, Zimbabwe, Netherlands, Ireland, UAE, PNG, Oman, Hong Kong, Namibia, Qatar, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Jersey, Canada, Denmark, Kuwait, Kenya, Norway, USA, Botswana, Ghana, Uganda, Austria, Malaysia, Germany, Nigeria, Guernsey, Sweden, Tanzania, Luxembourg, Spain, Philippines, France, Belize, Peru, Bahrain, Mexico, Fiji, Samoa, Vanuatu, Panama, Belgium, Japan, Costa Rica, Thailand, Argentina, Hungary, Mozambique, Chile, Malawi, Israel, Bhutan, Finland, South Korea, Isle of Man, Malta, Bulgaria, Sierra Leone, Brazil, Czech Republic, St Helena, Maldives, Gibraltar, Myanmar, Indonesia, China, Gambia, Swaziland, Rwanda, Lesotho

The ICC has been reducing the number of participants, and I expect it to go down further in the future. They might reduce the current 10 team participation to either 8 or 6 by 2027. As we have seen from this world cup so far, teams such as Sri Lanka and South Africa have lost their capability to compete against the major teams such as India and Australia.

A six or eight team tournament would not feel like a world cup. For a world cup, we would need teams from around the world. And personally I didn't liked the current single league nature of world cup. There would be no surprise left for semis and finals when all teams would have played with all. If they really want to have a league, they should go with home and away format.

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Quote from: akamit on June 17, 2019, 11:05:41 PM

Btw, I didn't know that so many countries are playing cricket now, that's amazing. Maybe in future we will see 32 team world cups, any thoughts?

The list is from Twenty20, most of the country is not qualified for ODI & Test.
Pakistan, England, South Africa, Australia, India, New Zealand, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh, Nepal, Scotland, Zimbabwe, Netherlands, Ireland, UAE, PNG, Oman, Hong Kong, Namibia, Qatar, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Jersey, Canada, Denmark, Kuwait, Kenya, Norway, USA, Botswana, Ghana, Uganda, Austria, Malaysia, Germany, Nigeria, Guernsey, Sweden, Tanzania, Luxembourg, Spain, Philippines, France, Belize, Peru, Bahrain, Mexico, Fiji, Samoa, Vanuatu, Panama, Belgium, Japan, Costa Rica, Thailand, Argentina, Hungary, Mozambique, Chile, Malawi, Israel, Bhutan, Finland, South Korea, Isle of Man, Malta, Bulgaria, Sierra Leone, Brazil, Czech Republic, St Helena, Maldives, Gibraltar, Myanmar, Indonesia, China, Gambia, Swaziland, Rwanda, Lesotho

The ICC has been reducing the number of participants, and I expect it to go down further in the future. They might reduce the current 10 team participation to either 8 or 6 by 2027. As we have seen from this world cup so far, teams such as Sri Lanka and South Africa have lost their capability to compete against the major teams such as India and Australia.

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Bangladesh has played very well and did not expect them to defeat a tough team like WI and chase down over 300 runs in just 42 overs and without even losing much wickets. WI is doing a mistake by making Gayle open as Gayle gets out just too easily.

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Quote from: emmybd on June 18, 2019, 12:09:48 AM

Bangladesh has been playing tremendously for some time and they are definitely the better team than West Indies. They have got some tough matches coming. Hope they would do well.

Yeah, Bangladesh can go to Semi Finale if they can beat India or Australia.I hope Bangladesh can beat Pakistan, Afghanistan for sure.So, it will be lot easier for them to qualify for the Semi if Tigers can knocked mighty India or Australia.Two days left from facing Australia, This would be a very big match for Bangladesh.They will surely be top of the mountain after beating West Indies easily.

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England after winning the toss against Afghanistan have decide to bat and have started quite slow considering that in 14 overs they have reached 68/1. Though they have wickets and will slog in coming overs but if they lose couple of quick wickets then may even go under 300 . Though after ystd match Afghanistan would have more confidence that even they can come close to the England.

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Bangladesh has been playing tremendously for some time and they are definitely the better team than West Indies. They have got some tough matches coming. Hope they would do well.

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Quote from: Duzter on June 17, 2019, 10:44:29 PM

This time the match schedules without pools is making a big change over each and every match. None could have expected such a massive win from Bangladesh. The final four were almost confirmed, but these match results show more changes to happen in the further days.

The world cricket has always underestimated Bangladesh and will continue to do so (just don't know why)... no matter how good they play and what the ICC ranking is. The current ICC ODI ranking for Bangladesh is 7, imo Bangladesh got better in the last couple of years.

Btw, I didn't know that so many countries are playing cricket now, that's amazing. Maybe in future we will see 32 team world cups, any thoughts?

The list is from Twenty20, most of the country is not qualified for ODI & Test.
Pakistan, England, South Africa, Australia, India, New Zealand, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh, Nepal, Scotland, Zimbabwe, Netherlands, Ireland, UAE, PNG, Oman, Hong Kong, Namibia, Qatar, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Jersey, Canada, Denmark, Kuwait, Kenya, Norway, USA, Botswana, Ghana, Uganda, Austria, Malaysia, Germany, Nigeria, Guernsey, Sweden, Tanzania, Luxembourg, Spain, Philippines, France, Belize, Peru, Bahrain, Mexico, Fiji, Samoa, Vanuatu, Panama, Belgium, Japan, Costa Rica, Thailand, Argentina, Hungary, Mozambique, Chile, Malawi, Israel, Bhutan, Finland, South Korea, Isle of Man, Malta, Bulgaria, Sierra Leone, Brazil, Czech Republic, St Helena, Maldives, Gibraltar, Myanmar, Indonesia, China, Gambia, Swaziland, Rwanda, Lesotho

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Quote from: vella85 on June 17, 2019, 05:32:05 PM

Like I mentioned in the other discussion thread about Bangladesh, they could be the dark horse of this World Cup and I even said that they could sneak into the top 4 and play in the semi-finals. They have shown that they can play well against the good teams and maybe this World Cup is their time to shine. It will take just one slip up from one of the top 4 teams and Bangladesh can sneak in. Right now that team could be New Zealand as they haven't played the top team yet so we could see Bangladesh make it, outside of the top 4 I think Bangladesh is the better team.

There is no need to get excited over a win against the West Indies. The Windies are no longer one of the cricket powerhouses. But it was a good comfortable victory, and will do a lot to strengthen the morale of the Bangladeshi players. But for them, the big test is coming up. Their next match is against Australia on 20th and to be honest I have zero hopes for an upset. And then they will face the South Asian teams (AFG, IND, PAK). Unless they manage to win 3 out of their next 4 matches, I don't think that they can qualify for the playoffs.

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This time the match schedules without pools is making a big change over each and every match. None could have expected such a massive win from Bangladesh. The final four were almost confirmed, but these match results show more changes to happen in the further days.

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Really great performance from Bangaldeshi team. They have consistently performed well. They could have easily won over Sri Lanka if the match hadn't been abandoned.
Shakib Al Hasan is a legendary cricket player and he again led Bangaldesh to a win.

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Like I mentioned in the other discussion thread about Bangladesh, they could be the dark horse of this World Cup and I even said that they could sneak into the top 4 and play in the semi-finals. They have shown that they can play well against the good teams and maybe this World Cup is their time to shine. It will take just one slip up from one of the top 4 teams and Bangladesh can sneak in. Right now that team could be New Zealand as they haven't played the top team yet so we could see Bangladesh make it, outside of the top 4 I think Bangladesh is the better team.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 17, 2019, 12:30:20 PM

It was a good performance by Bangladesh, but you need to be consistent in case you want to get yourself listed among teams such as Australia and India. And right now the top four teams are Australia, India, England and New Zealand. The other teams are far behind these 4, and the gap between them seems to be increasing, especially with the poor form shown by South Africa and Pakistan.

I still think that New Zealand won't be able to make it to the semi-finals. It'll either be Pakistan/West Indies or Bangladesh.

The way Shakib played today's game was impressive. I hope that it doesn't go in waste and Bangalis succeed in upcoming matches and make their way to the semi-finals!

Quote from: JSRAW on June 17, 2019, 09:32:08 AM

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Few observation as an outsider.

1. Cricket took a hit in Pakistan when SL team got an attack. Result: local cricket suffered drastically.
2. PCB not taking any step to kick start Domestic cricket, Pakistan is a gold mine for raw talent.
3. Petty politics in Cricket: Everyone wants to play politics here except cricket. Be it cricketer, Journalists, or management. Merits don't matter much for them.
4. Former cricketer doesn't have any say at all. PCB should include likes of Javed Bhai, Wasim Bhai, etc in a loop.

Still, 4 matches left. Anything is possible in cricket.

I hope that in case Pakistan gets out from Tournament then PCB will take the necessary step to cure cricket in ground level not blame game.

I agree with most of your points. However, I think there's a bit more to it than that, such as Pakistani players aren't welcomed in IPL, which is the biggest cricket league of the world where the players get to play with each other and realize their weaknesses. PSL is, of course, nothing if compared with IPL.

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Quote from: onrise on June 17, 2019, 12:13:25 PM

Bangladesh have outshine today the WI team and have beaten SA and today will beat WI.

Indeed Bangladesh played well today and got what they deserve. Congrats to Bangladesh Supporters.

Quote from: onrise on June 17, 2019, 12:13:25 PM

They are creating some space for themself to be in top5 ranking in the chart and if they continue like this they leave the top side behind .

Bangladesh is completely unpredictable and they have the ability to defeat any team.

IIRC then Bangladesh was the Dream Breaker and defeated England twice in the last two world cups (2011 & 2015), also they were the reason to break Indian dream in 2007 world cup. That's three world cups in a row and now its time to see which team gets busted by Bangladesh in this world cup 2019.

Shakib's performance so far is superb, imo Bangladesh needs 2 more batsmen to support Shakib.
I won't say Bangladesh bowling department is bad, that's the pitch which is batting friendly and every team is scoring huge.

According to the current point table, England has a risk to slip out from the top 4 because England yet to play with Australia, New Zealand, and India - the top performers.
If England losses in 1 or 2 matches then there is a chance for Pakistan, Bangladesh, and West Indies to claim the 4th position. Maybe I'm over predicting. Roll Eyes

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It was a good performance by Bangladesh, but you need to be consistent in case you want to get yourself listed among teams such as Australia and India. And right now the top four teams are Australia, India, England and New Zealand. The other teams are far behind these 4, and the gap between them seems to be increasing, especially with the poor form shown by South Africa and Pakistan.

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Bangladesh have outshine today the WI team and have beaten SA and today will beat WI . They are creating some space for themself to be in top5 ranking in the chart and if they continue like this they leave the top side behind .

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 17, 2019, 09:32:08 AM

Few observation as an outsider.

1. Cricket took a hit in Pakistan when SL team got an attack. Result: local cricket suffered drastically.
2. PCB not taking any step to kick start Domestic cricket, Pakistan is a gold mine for raw talent.
3. Petty politics in Cricket: Everyone wants to play politics here except cricket. Be it cricketer, Journalists, or management. Merits don't matter much for them.
4. Former cricketer doesn't have any say at all. PCB should include likes of Javed Bhai, Wasim Bhai, etc in a loop.

Still, 4 matches left. Anything is possible in cricket.

I hope that in case Pakistan gets out from Tournament then PCB will take the necessary step to cure cricket in ground level not blame game.

#1 is the cause for 90% of their troubles. Unless they resume playing international cricket in Pakistan, the PCB will remain as cash strapped as ever. It not just affects the funds inflow. It also has a negative impact on the younger domestic players, who never get a chance to play with the international players (who are mostly based in the UAE nowadays).

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on June 16, 2019, 06:46:10 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 16, 2019, 12:41:23 PM

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20-20 world cup coming next year. Don't worry :p

Seriously, I don't even like that T20 format. IMO, that format is the reason behind today's totally ruined Pakistani cricket team. They've become so habitual of that format that they've forgotten to play with the bat for more than a couple of overs. When the PCB decides the selection on the basis of that stupid T20-based league (talking about PSL here) and absolutely no training/experience, nothing good can happen.

One more loss in the upcoming four matches and it'll be game-over for Pakistani team. Pathetic. Roll Eyes

Few observation as an outsider.

1. Cricket took a hit in Pakistan when SL team got an attack. Result: local cricket suffered drastically.
2. PCB not taking any step to kick start Domestic cricket, Pakistan is a gold mine for raw talent.
3. Petty politics in Cricket: Everyone wants to play politics here except cricket. Be it cricketer, Journalists, or management. Merits don't matter much for them.
4. Former cricketer doesn't have any say at all. PCB should include likes of Javed Bhai, Wasim Bhai, etc in a loop.

Still, 4 matches left. Anything is possible in cricket.

I hope that in case Pakistan gets out from Tournament then PCB will take the necessary step to cure cricket in ground level not blame game.

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