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Quote from: Yogee on August 14, 2022, 05:13:18 PM

Let's not jump the gun here. That "proposal" or I would rather call it as a rumor was already denied by Kyrie in a simple tweet. No words but a gif tipping of a hat which basically refers to "cap" meaning the report was a lie.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10045107-kyrie-irving-responds-to-rumors-he-wanted-games-limit-no-back-to-backs-in-contract

Maybe the part where he hasn't played 60 games yet for the franchise was discussed during the negotiation for his contract but it was taken out of context.

Thanks for clarifying that. It is easy for us to jump the gun since this is Kyrie we are talking about. It is actually normal for him to ask this ridiculous request. I also failed to verify the rumor and just concluded it is true.

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Quote from: Russlenat on August 14, 2022, 06:27:12 AM

He is just trying to pressure the Warriors to give him a max contract as he is part of the big 3, it's just unfortunate that his performance is not so impressive in the playoffs although they won the championship. However, in the end, it still depends on the decision of the Warriors if they will give him a max contract or not, and it's also up to Green if he will look for another team to give them what he is asking for.

If you had said Draymond Green was part of the big trio a few seasons ago, I would have certainly agreed with your statement. However, based on last season's results, Green's performance hasn't been impressive, and he's definitely not part of the big trio anymore. Maybe some will disagree with me, but it seems to me that Curry, Thompson, and Wiggins can be named as the Warriors' big trio at the moment.

Green is still part of the big three of the warriors. It is just that his contributions cannot be recorded in the stat sheets. It is the intangibles that he keeps on contributing, that is also giving the steph and klay the space to do what they do. Otherwise, Steph would have not back his request for max.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 14, 2022, 12:37:07 AM

I've read one comment on Facebook about a good proposal for all these ruckuses about the contracts of players.
Especially, Kyrie who was being discussed about his "no back-to-back games" and "below 60 games".
I was unable to get the link as there is none and cannot find it anymore to print screen it.
But it goes like "Put him in per game contract if he likes playing only as when he wants to."
If I am not mistaken, this already happened before but I cannot remember who the player was. (Cousins, Melo, or Howard?) I think it's Melo.
The NBPA will surely be unhappy if Adam Silver decides this will be the new program regarding contracts.
The circulating greed for money while being lazy is too high in this era, something must be done or this will be out of control in the future.

I think Adam Silver will really need to step up here, because this is getting out of control now. There is a power shift and power grab amongst superstar players agains the owners.

This owners are willing to pay players super max contract but expect something in return. But recently, in case of Simmons, and the Irving and now Durant, there is no assurance from this owners that this superstars will play for them until the contract expires.

Something has to be done, players can request for a trade if he does not want to play? That's really something. Simmons started it first then we now have Durant and Irving, so now the management are seeing that the players (superstars) are already abusing their right, it's not anymore favorable to the owners who invested a lot of money.

Let's not jump the gun here. That "proposal" or I would rather call it as a rumor was already denied by Kyrie in a simple tweet. No words but a gif tipping of a hat which basically refers to "cap" meaning the report was a lie.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10045107-kyrie-irving-responds-to-rumors-he-wanted-games-limit-no-back-to-backs-in-contract

Maybe the part where he hasn't played 60 games yet for the franchise was discussed during the negotiation for his contract but it was taken out of context.

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Quote from: Russlenat on August 14, 2022, 06:27:12 AM

He is just trying to pressure the Warriors to give him a max contract as he is part of the big 3, it's just unfortunate that his performance is not so impressive in the playoffs although they won the championship. However, in the end, it still depends on the decision of the Warriors if they will give him a max contract or not, and it's also up to Green if he will look for another team to give them what he is asking for.

If you had said Draymond Green was part of the big trio a few seasons ago, I would have certainly agreed with your statement. However, based on last season's results, Green's performance hasn't been impressive, and he's definitely not part of the big trio anymore. Maybe some will disagree with me, but it seems to me that Curry, Thompson, and Wiggins can be named as the Warriors' big trio at the moment.

Maybe his contributions is more on keeping the mentally of the players to be competitive. It's more of the intangibles for Green this season, he doesn't need to score more as there is Wiggins, but he bring the tempo, setting up the screens to free their shooters and then there is this defense of him. One thing I remember is when he stripped the ball from Jokic to seal the win for them in their series. That's Green contribution for them. So he is still part of the big 3 of the Warriors. Wiggins and Poole just make them very formidable as another set of offensive weapons, hence the 'death squad'.

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Quote from: Russlenat on August 14, 2022, 06:27:12 AM

He is just trying to pressure the Warriors to give him a max contract as he is part of the big 3, it's just unfortunate that his performance is not so impressive in the playoffs although they won the championship. However, in the end, it still depends on the decision of the Warriors if they will give him a max contract or not, and it's also up to Green if he will look for another team to give them what he is asking for.

If you had said Draymond Green was part of the big trio a few seasons ago, I would have certainly agreed with your statement. However, based on last season's results, Green's performance hasn't been impressive, and he's definitely not part of the big trio anymore. Maybe some will disagree with me, but it seems to me that Curry, Thompson, and Wiggins can be named as the Warriors' big trio at the moment.

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Quote from: Japinat on August 14, 2022, 06:39:43 AM

Something has to be done, players can request for a trade if he does not want to play? That's really something. Simmons started it first then we now have Durant and Irving, so now the management are seeing that the players (superstars) are already abusing their right, it's not anymore favorable to the owners who invested a lot of money.

Meanwhile for the other players like Melo, they're even struggling to get a contract and if they do, it's like just a part time for them.

Well, I agree that these superstars that are also drama makers should get what they deserve if they're under a contract and they don't want to play with their current team.

But I think there are punishments already that are deductible to their salary if they refuse to play.

Yes, just like how things have been done with Simmons, not sure though if that's a rule with everyone. My opinion is to have a much strict

rules about players who will abuse his fame just to force the team to trade him. They need to be a good example. Signing a contract means

to bring all your best and not just to test if you will be fit for the system or not, the huge amount of invested money should be paid by a good

services. Sad but nothing can be done when greed for the money and fame are already inside a player's mind.

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Quote from: Japinat on August 14, 2022, 06:39:43 AM

Something has to be done, players can request for a trade if he does not want to play? That's really something. Simmons started it first then we now have Durant and Irving, so now the management are seeing that the players (superstars) are already abusing their right, it's not anymore favorable to the owners who invested a lot of money.

Meanwhile for the other players like Melo, they're even struggling to get a contract and if they do, it's like just a part time for them.

Well, I agree that these superstars that are also drama makers should get what they deserve if they're under a contract and they don't want to play with their current team.

But I think there are punishments already that are deductible to their salary if they refuse to play.

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Quote from: Japinat on August 14, 2022, 06:39:43 AM

Something has to be done, players can request for a trade if he does not want to play? That's really something. Simmons started it first then we now have Durant and Irving, so now the management are seeing that the players (superstars) are already abusing their right, it's not anymore favorable to the owners who invested a lot of money.

It has not been like this before, but today the players are like the owners of the teams. They are the one who calls who to trade and who to acquire because they have this high authority in the team. But thankfully this is only possible in the team who got superstar players like LBJ and the other teams are fine, they don't have this drama. The disadvantage of this is when the player they acquired is not as they expected, the fans will not leave them alone and will surely tease them with that.

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First, it made me happy that many of us do agree that something must be done with these primadonnas as @jakelyson said.

Quote from: TravelMug on August 14, 2022, 03:37:04 AM

I think Adam Silver will really need to step up here, because this is getting out of control now. There is a power shift and power grab amongst superstar players agains the owners.

This owners are willing to pay players super max contract but expect something in return. But recently, in case of Simmons, and the Irving and now Durant, there is no assurance from this owners that this superstars will play for them until the contract expires.

That's where the problem begins. Managements are ready to pay the luxury tax just to make them stay and it makes it look like they have greater importance than the league. We don't see competition being on a higher level anymore because everything is all about the money.
They can stay "unpunctual" or be absent just because they are one of the tops in the league according to many analysts.
They are fed with many good things about their performance and now they reaping all the rewards without anything to give back. It's not fair to the fans but according to them, it's unfair on their side.

Quote from: Japinat on August 14, 2022, 06:39:43 AM

Something has to be done, players can request for a trade if he does not want to play? That's really something. Simmons started it first then we now have Durant and Irving, so now the management are seeing that the players (superstars) are already abusing their right, it's not anymore favorable to the owners who invested a lot of money.

It's actually Kyrie who started it first disrespecting the Celtics logo with a spit and stamping on it.

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Quote from: Baofeng on August 13, 2022, 05:56:22 PM

So indeed the team owners are willing to spend millions if not billions of dollars to maintain their championship DNA.

No doubt they will spend that much because the profit is multiple times the capital. As long as you are a championship team, you will be able to get back the expenses. The best example is the Golden States. In just 12 years they were able to grow their net worth from $450 Million to $5.6 Billion. Thanks to their very successful run in the past decade, they were able to increase their net worth by 1000%.

Quote from: Baofeng on August 13, 2022, 05:56:22 PM

Just sad though that Clippers is still ringless as compare to other 2 California basketball teams (Lakers and Warriors). They have multiplied their values, Steve Ballmer really need to see that results.

Maybe when they move their own stadium, they will be able to win a ring. It is hard to win when you are sharing stadium and admit it, staples center/crypto.com is Lakers home, not the Clippers.

Quote from: danherbias07 on August 14, 2022, 12:37:07 AM

I've read one comment on Facebook about a good proposal for all these ruckuses about the contracts of players.
Especially, Kyrie who was being discussed about his "no back-to-back games" and "below 60 games".
I was unable to get the link as there is none and cannot find it anymore to print screen it.
But it goes like "Put him in per game contract if he likes playing only as when he wants to."
If I am not mistaken, this already happened before but I cannot remember who the player was. (Cousins, Melo, or Howard?) I think it's Melo.
The NBPA will surely be unhappy if Adam Silver decides this will be the new program regarding contracts.
The circulating greed for money while being lazy is too high in this era, something must be done or this will be out of control in the future.

They need to implement that to punish those primadonnas that do not want to play even when they have a contract and are very healthy. But they should refine it so that it cannot be abused by owners. They need to protect honest and hardworking players too.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 14, 2022, 12:37:07 AM

I've read one comment on Facebook about a good proposal for all these ruckuses about the contracts of players.
Especially, Kyrie who was being discussed about his "no back-to-back games" and "below 60 games".
I was unable to get the link as there is none and cannot find it anymore to print screen it.
But it goes like "Put him in per game contract if he likes playing only as when he wants to."
If I am not mistaken, this already happened before but I cannot remember who the player was. (Cousins, Melo, or Howard?) I think it's Melo.
The NBPA will surely be unhappy if Adam Silver decides this will be the new program regarding contracts.
The circulating greed for money while being lazy is too high in this era, something must be done or this will be out of control in the future.

I think Adam Silver will really need to step up here, because this is getting out of control now. There is a power shift and power grab amongst superstar players agains the owners.

This owners are willing to pay players super max contract but expect something in return. But recently, in case of Simmons, and the Irving and now Durant, there is no assurance from this owners that this superstars will play for them until the contract expires.

Something has to be done, players can request for a trade if he does not want to play? That's really something. Simmons started it first then we now have Durant and Irving, so now the management are seeing that the players (superstars) are already abusing their right, it's not anymore favorable to the owners who invested a lot of money.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 13, 2022, 09:59:08 AM

I'm not sure the warriors owner or GM cares about the salary cap. They were over the cap this year and paid the luxury tax I believe. It's really just a matter of do they value Draymond and I think they do.

Maybe the Warriors value Green, but I doubt they will ever be ready to offer him a max contract. Honestly, I don't know exactly how much the Warriors paid the luxury tax this time. However, if the Warriors' owner and management hadn't really cared about the salary cap, they would've tried to keep the entire championship roster by satisfying the requests of some of the players who already left the team during this offseason.

I think the bottom line on the Green situation is that Curry wants them to offer Green the max, so they probably will. Does he deserve it? Probably not. Maybe for what he's already done for them, but going forward he is most definitely not a max player.

Green also made news today by saying that Carmelo Anthony is a better scorer than Kevin Durant. I doubt even he believes that, but maybe he's trying to sweet talk Anthony into signing a 1-year deal with the Warriors.

Even time Green open his mouth since he had that podcast, he always like try to make controversial statement or something. And it is obvious to hype his podcast so I will take everything with a grain of salt moving forward on everything he will say in the public.

And I think we all agree that Green is not a max contract player, specially that his plays are built around the Warrior system and that he perfected that. So it will be interesting to see him with other teams, make new adjustment and see if he can still perform like what he is doing as a Warrior.

He is just trying to pressure the Warriors to give him a max contract as he is part of the big 3, it's just unfortunate that his performance is not so impressive in the playoffs although they won the championship. However, in the end, it still depends on the decision of the Warriors if they will give him a max contract or not, and it's also up to Green if he will look for another team to give them what he is asking for.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 13, 2022, 09:59:08 AM

I'm not sure the warriors owner or GM cares about the salary cap. They were over the cap this year and paid the luxury tax I believe. It's really just a matter of do they value Draymond and I think they do.

Maybe the Warriors value Green, but I doubt they will ever be ready to offer him a max contract. Honestly, I don't know exactly how much the Warriors paid the luxury tax this time. However, if the Warriors' owner and management hadn't really cared about the salary cap, they would've tried to keep the entire championship roster by satisfying the requests of some of the players who already left the team during this offseason.

I think the bottom line on the Green situation is that Curry wants them to offer Green the max, so they probably will. Does he deserve it? Probably not. Maybe for what he's already done for them, but going forward he is most definitely not a max player.

Green also made news today by saying that Carmelo Anthony is a better scorer than Kevin Durant. I doubt even he believes that, but maybe he's trying to sweet talk Anthony into signing a 1-year deal with the Warriors.

Even time Green open his mouth since he had that podcast, he always like try to make controversial statement or something. And it is obvious to hype his podcast so I will take everything with a grain of salt moving forward on everything he will say in the public.

And I think we all agree that Green is not a max contract player, specially that his plays are built around the Warrior system and that he perfected that. So it will be interesting to see him with other teams, make new adjustment and see if he can still perform like what he is doing as a Warrior.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 14, 2022, 12:37:07 AM

I've read one comment on Facebook about a good proposal for all these ruckuses about the contracts of players.
Especially, Kyrie who was being discussed about his "no back-to-back games" and "below 60 games".
I was unable to get the link as there is none and cannot find it anymore to print screen it.
But it goes like "Put him in per game contract if he likes playing only as when he wants to."
If I am not mistaken, this already happened before but I cannot remember who the player was. (Cousins, Melo, or Howard?) I think it's Melo.
The NBPA will surely be unhappy if Adam Silver decides this will be the new program regarding contracts.
The circulating greed for money while being lazy is too high in this era, something must be done or this will be out of control in the future.

I think there are players that have been offered to play like just 10 days and then after that, they're released immediately. If this is the case for Kyrie, that could be an advantage to him, but I don't think many will like this type of contract.

It's a business and having that out of a fixed contract also means a lesser salary for them. But if that's the ideal thing for them to be applied and it's likable to them, they just have to agree especially for Kyrie if this is for real.

Well, teams have the right to do this offer to those players that they think aren't worth it with the former contract they've offered.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 14, 2022, 12:37:07 AM

I've read one comment on Facebook about a good proposal for all these ruckuses about the contracts of players.
Especially, Kyrie who was being discussed about his "no back-to-back games" and "below 60 games".
I was unable to get the link as there is none and cannot find it anymore to print screen it.
But it goes like "Put him in per game contract if he likes playing only as when he wants to."
If I am not mistaken, this already happened before but I cannot remember who the player was. (Cousins, Melo, or Howard?) I think it's Melo.
The NBPA will surely be unhappy if Adam Silver decides this will be the new program regarding contracts.
The circulating greed for money while being lazy is too high in this era, something must be done or this will be out of control in the future.

I think Adam Silver will really need to step up here, because this is getting out of control now. There is a power shift and power grab amongst superstar players agains the owners.

This owners are willing to pay players super max contract but expect something in return. But recently, in case of Simmons, and the Irving and now Durant, there is no assurance from this owners that this superstars will play for them until the contract expires.

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I've read one comment on Facebook about a good proposal for all these ruckuses about the contracts of players.
Especially, Kyrie who was being discussed about his "no back-to-back games" and "below 60 games".
I was unable to get the link as there is none and cannot find it anymore to print screen it.
But it goes like "Put him in per game contract if he likes playing only as when he wants to."
If I am not mistaken, this already happened before but I cannot remember who the player was. (Cousins, Melo, or Howard?) I think it's Melo.
The NBPA will surely be unhappy if Adam Silver decides this will be the new program regarding contracts.
The circulating greed for money while being lazy is too high in this era, something must be done or this will be out of control in the future.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on August 13, 2022, 04:15:59 PM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 13, 2022, 09:59:08 AM

I'm not sure the warriors owner or GM cares about the salary cap. They were over the cap this year and paid the luxury tax I believe. It's really just a matter of do they value Draymond and I think they do.

Maybe the Warriors value Green, but I doubt they will ever be ready to offer him a max contract. Honestly, I don't know exactly how much the Warriors paid the luxury tax this time. However, if the Warriors' owner and management hadn't really cared about the salary cap, they would've tried to keep the entire championship roster by satisfying the requests of some of the players who already left the team during this offseason.

I think the bottom line on the Green situation is that Curry wants them to offer Green the max, so they probably will. Does he deserve it? Probably not. Maybe for what he's already done for them, but going forward he is most definitely not a max player.

Green also made news today by saying that Carmelo Anthony is a better scorer than Kevin Durant. I doubt even he believes that, but maybe he's trying to sweet talk Anthony into signing a 1-year deal with the Warriors.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on August 13, 2022, 04:15:59 PM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 13, 2022, 09:59:08 AM

I'm not sure the warriors owner or GM cares about the salary cap. They were over the cap this year and paid the luxury tax I believe. It's really just a matter of do they value Draymond and I think they do.

Maybe the Warriors value Green, but I doubt they will ever be ready to offer him a max contract. Honestly, I don't know exactly how much the Warriors paid the luxury tax this time. However, if the Warriors' owner and management hadn't really cared about the salary cap, they would've tried to keep the entire championship roster by satisfying the requests of some of the players who already left the team during this offseason.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/2021/ according to this site, the Warriors owe 170 million dollars for the luxury tax of 2021-2022 season. I'm not 100% sure if I am reading that correctly, but it looks correct.

They also are 71 million dollars over the salary cap for 2022-2023 season so far.

It's obvious they don't care a ton about money or they woulda broke off some pieces before last season started. As long as the team makes a profit on the season, the owner is gonna keep over spending IMO.

And if you look at this stats:

https://twitter.com/LevAkabas/status/1558085896750202880/

So indeed the team owners are willing to spend millions if not billions of dollars to maintain their championship DNA.

Just sad though that Clippers is still ringless as compare to other 2 California basketball teams (Lakers and Warriors). They have multiplied their values, Steve Ballmer really need to see that results.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 13, 2022, 12:24:44 AM

That's up to the Nets because until now he is still in contract with the team, if no trade will happen, then he has to continue playing with the team and wait until his contract will expire so he can choose a team to sign up with. Right now, it's not good for Durant to talk a lot, he just have to wait until the trade will happen and continue to win giving his best.

Yep, you are correct. I believe I wasn't very clear in my previous post, as I just wanted to clarify an example involving Durant (even if superficially)
But I believe, basketball is something similar to a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get, and you never know tomorrow.

I hope he can fit into a team and do his best in the next NBA seasons.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on August 13, 2022, 04:15:59 PM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 13, 2022, 09:59:08 AM

I'm not sure the warriors owner or GM cares about the salary cap. They were over the cap this year and paid the luxury tax I believe. It's really just a matter of do they value Draymond and I think they do.

Maybe the Warriors value Green, but I doubt they will ever be ready to offer him a max contract. Honestly, I don't know exactly how much the Warriors paid the luxury tax this time. However, if the Warriors' owner and management hadn't really cared about the salary cap, they would've tried to keep the entire championship roster by satisfying the requests of some of the players who already left the team during this offseason.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/2021/ according to this site, the Warriors owe 170 million dollars for the luxury tax of 2021-2022 season. I'm not 100% sure if I am reading that correctly, but it looks correct.

They also are 71 million dollars over the salary cap for 2022-2023 season so far.

It's obvious they don't care a ton about money or they woulda broke off some pieces before last season started. As long as the team makes a profit on the season, the owner is gonna keep over spending IMO.

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Draymond Green doesn't have a lot of option and surely he doesn't have the power to demand the table and make the team offer him a max contract because he is not that kind of huge asset, he'll be lucky if the Warriors will still keep him despite his situation. He should know that he isn't like LBJ or CP3 who will be chased by any team because of the numbers they could bring in the team, Green is different because he is not a play maker.

Draymond Green obviously shouldn't be hoping that the Warriors or any other team will offer him a maximum contract. By the way, his current contract will expire after next season, and he will still have a player option for an extension until the end of the 23/24 season. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if he takes this player option as it is unlikely that anyone will offer him a higher salary than $27,5 mln.

Even that figure is a little bit high for Draymond Green now, I think that he'll only sell out to a $20-$25 Million annually for a 4-year extension and nothing more than that but that is if there's a team in the league right now who's willing to pay him that kind of amount. Nonetheless, Draymond still have a chance to prove his worthiness this coming season and I don't doubt that he'll push himself more to produce more so that he'll end up getting an extension at the end of the 22-23 season.

Yeah, about $20-$25 million is not that bad for a extension on Green's level. We know that he is not that young anymore is prone to injury as we have seen last season. Yes, he is very much valuable as Steph and Thompson, but he also have to understand that they need a lot of good supporting and role players. So if he max out, maybe they can't get a decent one to help them with their runs and become one of the best dynasties in the last decade or so.

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