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legendary
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August 08, 2022, 04:50:10 PM
Why would the Nets trade Irving straight up for Westbrook.  At this point in theor careers Irving is way better than Westbrook.  Rolling out there with Irving and Durant is theor best option if they aren't getting tons of youth and draft picks back for either of them.  In no world would they straight up trade Irving for russ.

Russell Westbrook's problem is inconsistency.
Kyrie Irving's problem is his pride and arrogance.

Who do you think will be a big help in the long run? Who do you think can be changed?

When Kyrie Irving goes crazy again, he is willing to give up more games just because he doesn't want to play, simple as that. He didn't realize that every of his absence is a big loss for the Nets as he's one of the key players there. Even the management and coach can't even make Irving soft once he rants on something. Irving is also willing not to get paid for his missed games. That's how unreachable his pride is.

About Russell Westbrook, his inconsistency still has a chance to be changed. He's not a ball hogger anymore and that proves when he played on Washington Wizards and Los Angeles Lakers. It's just that his usual playing form was not the same anymore during his prime. But he is trying to get back on his usual. He is also not injury-prone and always present in their game. Still a good part of the roster or even for a bench.

But my comparison is not really a big deal since, in the first place, I doubt an Irving-Westbrook exchange will happen between the Lakers and Nets.
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August 08, 2022, 04:43:32 PM
I read an article recently about the GSW management interview regarding Draymond Green possible trade since GSW has a lot to handle in there plate while Green is demanding a max contractthat will last up to 10yrs. The management is considering Green age will not give them the best benefit later on if they allow his request. They are looking for potential trade with Aaron Gordon since Gordon is still young and has a lotof room for improvement. Is this unfair to Green once this trade proceed?
I believe 10 years on a contract is a long time for Draymond Green, despite him being an important player for the Warriors I don't know if that would be worth the risk, despite he is already 32 years old.

But weren't there rumors that Green would sign a 5-year contract with Warriors?

Right, doesn't make sense for any team to sign a 10 year contract in this era.

His contract will end 2022-2023, this upcoming season, and he shows intention that he wants a max extension worth $160++ M. The Warriors already paid a league record of like $300++ M on luxury taxes last season, and if they are going to sign Green next season, it will balloon to the $400++ M, and that is already too steep. And if the owner is not willing, then Green might have to be traded as they are not willing to give him his contract because of that factor and Draymond's age as well.
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August 08, 2022, 03:59:22 PM
I read an article recently about the GSW management interview regarding Draymond Green possible trade since GSW has a lot to handle in there plate while Green is demanding a max contractthat will last up to 10yrs. The management is considering Green age will not give them the best benefit later on if they allow his request. They are looking for potential trade with Aaron Gordon since Gordon is still young and has a lotof room for improvement. Is this unfair to Green once this trade proceed?
I believe 10 years on a contract is a long time for Draymond Green, despite him being an important player for the Warriors I don't know if that would be worth the risk, despite he is already 32 years old.

But weren't there rumors that Green would sign a 5-year contract with Warriors?
legendary
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August 08, 2022, 02:23:56 PM
Nets will not be better if they force KD and Irving to stay, and if they are not getting good enough offers then they should accept whatever they can get. They traded Harden for Simmons, and that was a horrible trade as well, it was a shock to the whole world and Sixers were expected to be a championship contender team while Nets sucked. So long story short, if they can make that kind of deal, then they could get some other method as well.

Westbrook is a big trouble for Lakers and they couldn't find a way to get rid of him, so what Nets could do is give them Irving if Lebron is fine with it, and get some picks or smaller players with him as well to make it work. Suns and Durant is a big question, I still don't know how that could be done.

Why would the Nets trade Irving straight up for Westbrook.  At this point in theor careers Irving is way better than Westbrook.  Rolling out there with Irving and Durant is theor best option if they aren't getting tons of youth and draft picks back for either of them.  In no world would they straight up trade Irving for russ.
legendary
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August 08, 2022, 02:23:16 PM
Nets will not be better if they force KD and Irving to stay, and if they are not getting good enough offers then they should accept whatever they can get.

That's not a simple decision to just accept offers even if that is not good just to get rid of them. It's "Kevin Durant" we are talking here who is currently under a max contract with them and freshly signed it last year. But yes, the Nets should at least lower their expectations and not ask for more if the package is already good.

But the problem is, that a good package that we might consider already good still does not meet the criteria of the Brooklyn Nets.

For now, surely there are other teams that will still reach the Nets and will offer different trading packages.

Teams trying to get Durant in the first place are worth trying for them.
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August 08, 2022, 02:16:31 PM
Nets will not be better if they force KD and Irving to stay, and if they are not getting good enough offers then they should accept whatever they can get. They traded Harden for Simmons, and that was a horrible trade as well, it was a shock to the whole world and Sixers were expected to be a championship contender team while Nets sucked. So long story short, if they can make that kind of deal, then they could get some other method as well.

Westbrook is a big trouble for Lakers and they couldn't find a way to get rid of him, so what Nets could do is give them Irving if Lebron is fine with it, and get some picks or smaller players with him as well to make it work. Suns and Durant is a big question, I still don't know how that could be done.
legendary
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August 08, 2022, 02:08:57 PM
An interesting article about how no other teams want to help the Brooklyn Nets get a deal done for Durant.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-rumors-rival-teams-are-blocking-a-kevin-durant-trade/ar-AA10nxcZ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e987a0c3796540f3e04dcd0db624c9ee

I don't blame them I guess.  Owners seem to be pushing back against players trying to call the shots and other franchises have to love the way the KD/Kyrie experiment blew up in the Nets' face.  Still, I'd like to see Durant in Phoenix and Kyrie in Los Angeles if for nothing else than I think that is the most entertaining outcome of this offseason.  I do think Durant will get traded at some point, but it may take a Black Swan Event during the season.
Yeah, it's real. Offer after an offer is coming but the Nets also don't like what they are putting on the table. The other team who deals with them will not go beyond what the Nets want. If they don't want the deal then it's just okay. This is why it is taking so long before the drama ends.
There's a solution though if the Nets really want it bad to let Durant go. Just accept what is given and move on. They won't have any better season if the management and the player wouldn't be on the same page.
Maybe it's time to do it like what Jazz had been focusing on, rebuilding.
These are really good points. I genuinely didn't consider this trade business from the owners' side actually. They are right. Players are starting to call the shots more than ever before and the biggest player whı does this is probably Durant. Also Kyrie and James Harden are close second in my opinion. It is very questionable how successful can Nets be this season. Especially after this drama and they already have problems from last year. Maybe rebuilding can really be the answer for them. At least they have to solve the problem of Durant definitely. They can't possibly be in a good position after all this drama.

If the Nets get a full year out of kyrie and Durant, along with having Seth outside cam Thomas who can build on a promising rookie year.  Combine that if Ben Simmons can give them anything, don't kid yourself this team will be a tough out for anyone.  If no one moves this isn't rebuilding they will be one of the favorites to make it to the finals.
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August 08, 2022, 02:08:23 PM

The source is saying that Lebron is likely to extend with Lakers for two more years soon. I have been wondering if he would leave the team if they don't make the changes he would like to be more successful. For example, they are still keeping Westbrook in the team which is not a thing that I like. But as long as Lebron doesn't get an offer from a much more favorable team it looks like he is staying.

By the way Lebron's main goal now is to play with his son as it is added in the source as well. He wants to play one season with his son and retire after that.

( The source : https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10044509-lebron-james-rumors-all-signs-point-toward-lakers-star-signing-contract-extension )
I thought he is going back to the Cavaliers to play with the young guys there and just say "I'm back" in an Arnold Schwarzenegger style.  Cheesy
Maybe after these 2 more years as he is still in a good condition to add another championship for the Lakers.


Going back to Cavaliers? Nah, I don't think so.  Grin  Cavaliers were absolutely a special team for Lebron. But after he left the team the supporters didn't react very nice to that. I'm not expecting him to go back there from now on to be honest. If he suddenly decides to leave the team then I would like to watch him at one of the biggest candidates of the championship. Because Lebron is still very ambitious and he wants to be the champion still. Lakers can't give this as long as they don't make the necessary changes.
The Lakers' unwillingness to add drafts and or maybe some players in order to trade Westbrook for Kyrie probably ended the negotiation. Lakers' management is torn between going all in while Lebron is still playing very well but sacrificing future drafts. And Lebron is not getting any younger.

Maybe Lebron is willing to return to Cleveland or play with his son once he is not already a top-level player.

The Lakers had that coming because they wanted LeBron James on their roster, so that may affect their situation for the years to come and the new Lakers head coach wanted Westbrook to stay because he believed that he can utilize Westbrook's capabilities while Irving also wanted to stay in the Nets. I remember when Kyrie himself said that he's planning on staying in Brooklyn even if Durant will be traded.

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Maybe Lebron is willing to return to Cleveland or play with his son once he is not already a top-level player.
That still depends on the situation because the only chance that we will see LeBron wearing another jersey is the also team where Bronny gets drafted in somewhere 2-3 years from now.
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August 08, 2022, 01:06:47 PM
An interesting article about how no other teams want to help the Brooklyn Nets get a deal done for Durant.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-rumors-rival-teams-are-blocking-a-kevin-durant-trade/ar-AA10nxcZ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e987a0c3796540f3e04dcd0db624c9ee

I don't blame them I guess.  Owners seem to be pushing back against players trying to call the shots and other franchises have to love the way the KD/Kyrie experiment blew up in the Nets' face.  Still, I'd like to see Durant in Phoenix and Kyrie in Los Angeles if for nothing else than I think that is the most entertaining outcome of this offseason.  I do think Durant will get traded at some point, but it may take a Black Swan Event during the season.
Yeah, it's real. Offer after an offer is coming but the Nets also don't like what they are putting on the table. The other team who deals with them will not go beyond what the Nets want. If they don't want the deal then it's just okay. This is why it is taking so long before the drama ends.
There's a solution though if the Nets really want it bad to let Durant go. Just accept what is given and move on. They won't have any better season if the management and the player wouldn't be on the same page.
Maybe it's time to do it like what Jazz had been focusing on, rebuilding.
These are really good points. I genuinely didn't consider this trade business from the owners' side actually. They are right. Players are starting to call the shots more than ever before and the biggest player whı does this is probably Durant. Also Kyrie and James Harden are close second in my opinion. It is very questionable how successful can Nets be this season. Especially after this drama and they already have problems from last year. Maybe rebuilding can really be the answer for them. At least they have to solve the problem of Durant definitely. They can't possibly be in a good position after all this drama.
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August 08, 2022, 11:25:05 AM
They are looking for potential trade with Aaron Gordon since Gordon is still young and has a lotof room for improvement. Is this unfair to Green once this trade proceed?

If that happened for real, Draymond Green should already know and understand the fact that there's a possibility in the future that a core team is meant to be broken and that includes the possibility that he is the one who will be involved in the trade. Business as usual.

Draymond, if ever considered shipped to other teams, just needs to do his best to help that team. Just be on his usual.

Besides, he is now enjoying several championship rings. No need to force or be aggressive to have another one unless the championship does really matter to him until he finally hangs his jersey. If the offer to other teams is decent, why not? He should think wise.
legendary
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August 08, 2022, 10:55:53 AM
Free agent forward Kent Bazemore has agreed to a one-year deal with the Sacramento Kings. Seems like the Pacific division runs through Kent Bazemore haha. The Kings run deep enough that Bazemore probably only gets garbage time in inconsequential games. Could be a helpful guy to have on the bench though.

He already passed his prime, his last season with the Lakers is not good, he only averages 3.4 pts with only 14 minutes per game. He is good defensively though, but since he passed his prime, we cannot expect a big contribution anymore.

He might not have showcased on what's left with his full capabilities with the Lakers, but yeah he's past his prime and I don't know what the Kings saw in him. He might've still something to offer either offensive or defensively that compliments with their current roster.
However, I don't really believed my own theory, when you know they've had no playoff appearances from the last 16 years. You know how bad it is lol.

Honestly it seems like an odd spot for Kent bazemore.  As a vet you'd figure he doesn't want to be on a team rebuilding.  I mean I guess if it's the only team that wants to pick him up I'd go but there is still time in the process, wonder why he chose sacramento.
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August 08, 2022, 10:55:26 AM
I read an article recently about the GSW management interview regarding Draymond Green possible trade since GSW has a lot to handle in there plate while Green is demanding a max contractthat will last up to 10yrs. The management is considering Green age will not give them the best benefit later on if they allow his request. They are looking for potential trade with Aaron Gordon since Gordon is still young and has a lotof room for improvement. Is this unfair to Green once this trade proceed?

If the Warriors could get Aaron Gordon for Draymond Green I think that would be a massive upgrade that they should do no matter what.  Stephen Curry has come out and said that he wants Draymond back in a Warriors uniform and I don't see the management not letting Draymond run this last championship back.  The idea of Steph and Klay having Wiggins and Gordon with them along with Wiseman would certainly extend their ability to be a contender.  They'd have 2 of the most athletic guys in the league on their team alongside 2 of the best shooters.  Would be a matchup nightmare.
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August 08, 2022, 09:40:08 AM
Yeah, it's real. Offer after an offer is coming but the Nets also don't like what they are putting on the table. The other team who deals with them will not go beyond what the Nets want. If they don't want the deal then it's just okay. This is why it is taking so long before the drama ends.
There's a solution though if the Nets really want it bad to let Durant go. Just accept what is given and move on. They won't have any better season if the management and the player wouldn't be on the same page.
Maybe it's time to do it like what Jazz had been focusing on, rebuilding.

They cannot rebuild though because they do not have any draft picks. They have thrown all their picks just to assemble the team they had last year. It will take them a while if they start rebuilding. That is why they are so keen on getting picks along with stars on Durant trade offers. If they decide to just take whatever is offered for Durant though, I think they have to tank at least 3-5 years in rebuilding. That is how much Durant hurt their future.

I read an article recently about the GSW management interview regarding Draymond Green possible trade since GSW has a lot to handle in there plate while Green is demanding a max contractthat will last up to 10yrs. The management is considering Green age will not give them the best benefit later on if they allow his request. They are looking for potential trade with Aaron Gordon since Gordon is still young and has a lotof room for improvement. Is this unfair to Green once this trade proceed?

Hope he understands that everything is just business and Green started all of this when he overestimated his value in GSW. His career is already in the decline but he is still asking for a max extension. I guess his gamble does not pay him off. Anyway, he said that if GSW does not give him max extension, he will be joining and winning it with Lebron. Let's see if he really can walk the talk or it is all just a big bluff.
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August 08, 2022, 09:33:34 AM
I read an article recently about the GSW management interview regarding Draymond Green possible trade since GSW has a lot to handle in there plate while Green is demanding a max contractthat will last up to 10yrs. The management is considering Green age will not give them the best benefit later on if they allow his request. They are looking for potential trade with Aaron Gordon since Gordon is still young and has a lotof room for improvement. Is this unfair to Green once this trade proceed?
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August 08, 2022, 09:28:42 AM
It's only Adrian Wojnarowski where I could see fast updates about transactions being made. They are the media, that's why they have sources that the internet could not provide yet. It will all go thru them first and they need to confirm it with facts before releasing the new scoop.
Then it will be fed to different online website sources like ESPN, CBS, and more. We don't have that kind of power unless you have someone on the inside, like scouts and management. They were the ones who will first receive the news and even the players meetings with team managements.
This information is very important, thank you so much!

I've heard of Adrian, but I've never done deep search about him! In fact he is an NBA-ESPN insider. I believe that including the official website of the NBA, it is extremely valid to obtain the information that he publishes.
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August 08, 2022, 08:36:55 AM
Free agent forward Kent Bazemore has agreed to a one-year deal with the Sacramento Kings. Seems like the Pacific division runs through Kent Bazemore haha. The Kings run deep enough that Bazemore probably only gets garbage time in inconsequential games. Could be a helpful guy to have on the bench though.
He already passed his prime, his last season with the Lakers is not good, he only averages 3.4 pts with only 14 minutes per game. He is good defensively though, but since he passed his prime, we cannot expect a big contribution anymore.
He could have much better if he haven't turned down that offer from GSW, he got thinking that Lakers will win the title considering superstars keep coming, the unexpected comes. Well, he decided for that and now he's on the team which just next in line in the standings in the West last season.

His coming and go with the Lakers and GSW but all timing was wrong and now he's back with his former team, maybe he'll stay for good this time, I mean, the roster wasn't that bad for Kings this time but I doubt the odds of getting a ring.
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August 08, 2022, 08:20:14 AM
Free agent forward Kent Bazemore has agreed to a one-year deal with the Sacramento Kings. Seems like the Pacific division runs through Kent Bazemore haha. The Kings run deep enough that Bazemore probably only gets garbage time in inconsequential games. Could be a helpful guy to have on the bench though.

He already passed his prime, his last season with the Lakers is not good, he only averages 3.4 pts with only 14 minutes per game. He is good defensively though, but since he passed his prime, we cannot expect a big contribution anymore.

He might not have showcased on what's left with his full capabilities with the Lakers, but yeah he's past his prime and I don't know what the Kings saw in him. He might've still something to offer either offensive or defensively that compliments with their current roster.
However, I don't really believed my own theory, when you know they've had no playoff appearances from the last 16 years. You know how bad it is lol.
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August 08, 2022, 07:05:57 AM
An interesting article about how no other teams want to help the Brooklyn Nets get a deal done for Durant.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-rumors-rival-teams-are-blocking-a-kevin-durant-trade/ar-AA10nxcZ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e987a0c3796540f3e04dcd0db624c9ee

I don't blame them I guess.  Owners seem to be pushing back against players trying to call the shots and other franchises have to love the way the KD/Kyrie experiment blew up in the Nets' face.  Still, I'd like to see Durant in Phoenix and Kyrie in Los Angeles if for nothing else than I think that is the most entertaining outcome of this offseason.  I do think Durant will get traded at some point, but it may take a Black Swan Event during the season.
Yeah, it's real. Offer after an offer is coming but the Nets also don't like what they are putting on the table. The other team who deals with them will not go beyond what the Nets want. If they don't want the deal then it's just okay. This is why it is taking so long before the drama ends.
There's a solution though if the Nets really want it bad to let Durant go. Just accept what is given and move on. They won't have any better season if the management and the player wouldn't be on the same page.
Maybe it's time to do it like what Jazz had been focusing on, rebuilding.

Yes, both should be on the same page. If they want to deal again with rebuilding, they needed to pick in which ever deal that other

teams are offering, they should not ask for too much that can't given by the other side, though from how I see this drama, both KD and Kyrie

are going to end playing for the Nets from the start of this new upcoming season and the rest will be discussed before the trading process end.
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August 08, 2022, 07:01:43 AM
Free agent forward Kent Bazemore has agreed to a one-year deal with the Sacramento Kings. Seems like the Pacific division runs through Kent Bazemore haha. The Kings run deep enough that Bazemore probably only gets garbage time in inconsequential games. Could be a helpful guy to have on the bench though.

He already passed his prime, his last season with the Lakers is not good, he only averages 3.4 pts with only 14 minutes per game. He is good defensively though, but since he passed his prime, we cannot expect a big contribution anymore.
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August 08, 2022, 06:53:46 AM
Free agent forward Kent Bazemore has agreed to a one-year deal with the Sacramento Kings. Seems like the Pacific division runs through Kent Bazemore haha. The Kings run deep enough that Bazemore probably only gets garbage time in inconsequential games. Could be a helpful guy to have on the bench though.
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