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July 31, 2022, 01:54:04 PM
Rest In Peace to Bill Russell. One of the best champions to ever grace the NBA court. This news will no doubt be heartbreaking to the NBA family and I’m sure the Celtics and the NBA as a whole will be dedicating this upcoming season to the legend. There will be one hell of a tribute to Bill. He was the definition of winning and a team player during his time in the league with the Celtics. A legend for sure.

Very sad news. A brilliant basketball player and a great man. I suspect no one will ever beat his record - 11 championship rings. RIP Bill.

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July 31, 2022, 01:28:11 PM
Rest In Peace to Bill Russell. One of the best champions to ever grace the NBA court. This news will no doubt be heartbreaking to the NBA family and I’m sure the Celtics and the NBA as a whole will be dedicating this upcoming season to the legend. There will be one hell of a tribute to Bill. He was the definition of winning and a team player during his time in the league with the Celtics. A legend for sure.
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July 31, 2022, 10:21:08 AM
So the Brooklyn Nets is demanding more returns on a KD trade not just because the Utah Jazz and San Antonio Spurs received a lot of pieces from their Rudy Gobert and Dejounte Murray trades but because it is still hoping to keep Durant. But I don't think KD will want to stay in Brooklyn with Irving and Simmons. Brooklyn should prioritize trading these 2 drama queens and maybe KD will want to stay with them.

It can be seen as normal for Nets to wait for a big benefit if they will trade Kevin Durant to a team. He is their most valuable player in the end. When it comes to Irving and Simmons, Irving is already willing to leave actually so it is up to the choice of the team whether to take action about it. It hasn't been much time since Simmons joined the team so I don't think that they will re-trade him now. Him and Seth Curry would stay for at least one more season imo.
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July 31, 2022, 10:16:16 AM
So the Brooklyn Nets is demanding more returns on a KD trade not just because the Utah Jazz and San Antonio Spurs received a lot of pieces from their Rudy Gobert and Dejounte Murray trades but because it is still hoping to keep Durant. But I don't think KD will want to stay in Brooklyn with Irving and Simmons. Brooklyn should prioritize trading these 2 drama queens and maybe KD will want to stay with them.
Well, Durant is a superstar and the Nets just want more something in return for that. How about both KD and Irving separate ways already as they are the ones demanding this trade in the first place? I think with Simmons still out indefinitely I guess the management will let him stay there unless there are other team/s that want him which I doubt if there are many.
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July 31, 2022, 09:31:52 AM
So what would happen, is Curry trying to threaten the organization that there could be a conflict if they will not give Draymond's demand? I think the organization knows what they are doing, though in a team we have some superstars who are just working for the team, they are paid by the management and they have to respect the decision of the management.

The conflict between players is common, but the conflict between players and management, that's very rare.
Yes, that's the case. It's like Curry won't be as as effective as he would be without Draymond Green.
We all doubt that but that's like a protection for players he don't want to leave.
Although, I want to urge this to happen. Let Draymond go and see where they will be at. It's not that I want the to be broken but this kind of selfishness should be penalized.
He things he is a player that Warriors won't be effective without him.
Let him go and see if that's really the way it is. Why? Because I highly doubt he cannot be replaced.
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July 31, 2022, 09:21:26 AM

Back in the day, the team has more control over their stars. Unlike right now, the stars control the team. They've given them power to influence acquisition and over the coaches. Sometimes it is good because you keep the stars happy and you get a ring out of it but sometimes it backfires. Durant the best example of giving the stars too much power that went bad. Now the Nets is filled with divas. 

Yeah! they made the trade more like dramas where the players can actually push to ask for a trade for their personal reasons and most likely players are not patient enough to fix their team and demand to be traded as soon as possible. Just because they are not getting some open door for a chance to win a championship they wanted to be traded right away but the problem here is, when they go to their new team, even though they are star players themselves, they also need to create a strong bond with their new teammates to make their team strong and be competitive to have a chance to compete for a championship and if they failed once again, those players likely demand for another trade. that's why we have these trade dramas nowadays.
I agree with this comment completely. There is really too much trade dramas these days. And especially Durant. Starting from his move from OKC to Warriors, almost every season we hear about Durant and where he wants to go, what he demands. I sometimes miss the good old franchise player days. Mj, Ewing, Drexler, Barkley, Iverson, T-Mac, Kobe, Vince Carter. Even though they were maybe not too happy with the team and the city, I don't remember this much trade talk(might be because of internet of course, but still). And naturally those players I mentioned moved on to other teams, they were quite big franchise players at the their time and we didn't have to hear and watch too much drama. And this makes me feel like Durant will find team chemistry very hardly wherever he goes, even though he is almost the best player in the league. There are other aspects to success.
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July 31, 2022, 07:13:26 AM

Back in the day, the team has more control over their stars. Unlike right now, the stars control the team. They've given them power to influence acquisition and over the coaches. Sometimes it is good because you keep the stars happy and you get a ring out of it but sometimes it backfires. Durant the best example of giving the stars too much power that went bad. Now the Nets is filled with divas. 

Yeah! they made the trade more like dramas where the players can actually push to ask for a trade for their personal reasons and most likely players are not patient enough to fix their team and demand to be traded as soon as possible. Just because they are not getting some open door for a chance to win a championship they wanted to be traded right away but the problem here is, when they go to their new team, even though they are star players themselves, they also need to create a strong bond with their new teammates to make their team strong and be competitive to have a chance to compete for a championship and if they failed once again, those players likely demand for another trade. that's why we have these trade dramas nowadays.
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July 31, 2022, 07:01:33 AM
So the Brooklyn Nets is demanding more returns on a KD trade not just because the Utah Jazz and San Antonio Spurs received a lot of pieces from their Rudy Gobert and Dejounte Murray trades but because it is still hoping to keep Durant. But I don't think KD will want to stay in Brooklyn with Irving and Simmons. Brooklyn should prioritize trading these 2 drama queens and maybe KD will want to stay with them.

It's really hard to read what Nets plan is for now, it seems they are willing to let go of Durant and Irving but have to keep Simmons for now.

Yes, the Nets are going to demand more returns for KD, if they are going to let go of him, for sure they will want to have at least a good returns. However, we still don't know what will be Durant's destination. Still a lot of complication that the Nets will have to iron out.

And it's the Rudy Gobert affect as well, if he went out with 4 first-round picks and a pick swap, for sure Brooklyn wanted more in return.
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July 31, 2022, 06:45:05 AM
It is rarely happening but due to the achievements of these players, they're demanding and want to be comfortable with what they've got. I guess this is a hot pot now and a lot to say about this issue. Well, if Steph asks for a trade, the management won't allow it for sure.
There is nothing that would merit Steph to ask for a trade. I believe the team is very solid right now and he is getting all the things he needs from the management. I believe the shot from Draymond is just a fishing expedition to get a max contract and Steph is just supporting Draymond as a good teammate would do. But if push comes to shoves, Steph is way better and comfortable to stay with the warriors. And he have more chance to still be successful in this team, late in his career, than anywhere else. So moving out of Warriors is just a bad move.

I think it's common amongst great organization, even the Bulls during their second championship run, Jordan and Pippen has issues with Bulls general manager, Jerry Krause. And yet they were able to make a second 3peat. Didn't request for a trade because it's almost non-existent that time. But now we have cases like the Ben Simmons and Kyrie Irving drama, and then Durant requesting a trade. If Curry or Green do the same, then the Warriors will break apart. And that's how dynasty's are broken. Sooner or later there will be issues that the management and players disagree.

Back in the day, the team has more control over their stars. Unlike right now, the stars control the team. They've given them power to influence acquisition and over the coaches. Sometimes it is good because you keep the stars happy and you get a ring out of it but sometimes it backfires. Durant the best example of giving the stars too much power that went bad. Now the Nets is filled with divas. 
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July 31, 2022, 05:42:22 AM
So the Brooklyn Nets is demanding more returns on a KD trade not just because the Utah Jazz and San Antonio Spurs received a lot of pieces from their Rudy Gobert and Dejounte Murray trades but because it is still hoping to keep Durant. But I don't think KD will want to stay in Brooklyn with Irving and Simmons. Brooklyn should prioritize trading these 2 drama queens and maybe KD will want to stay with them.
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July 31, 2022, 05:26:09 AM

The conflict between players is common, but the conflict between players and management, that's very rare.

Yes, but it's happening already, the conflict is usually between the management and the superstar of the team because a superstar knows his value, if he will leave or gets traded, the knows that other teams are willing to accept him. Take it for instance, what if Curry will ask for a trade, for sure teams will be hoping that they can get him as currently he is the best player in the NBA.

I think it's common amongst great organization, even the Bulls during their second championship run, Jordan and Pippen has issues with Bulls general manager, Jerry Krause. And yet they were able to make a second 3peat. Didn't request for a trade because it's almost non-existent that time. But now we have cases like the Ben Simmons and Kyrie Irving drama, and then Durant requesting a trade. If Curry or Green do the same, then the Warriors will break apart. And that's how dynasty's are broken. Sooner or later there will be issues that the management and players disagree.

I hope the management will listen to their players, the big 3 made the team successful, even before Durant joined the Warriors, they are already a championship team and have won championships already. Good thing Curry was playing like a real MVP and he was able to carry this team to win another championship, without either Klay or Green, for sure Curry will not be able to achieve that success.
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July 31, 2022, 05:14:11 AM

The conflict between players is common, but the conflict between players and management, that's very rare.

Yes, but it's happening already, the conflict is usually between the management and the superstar of the team because a superstar knows his value, if he will leave or gets traded, the knows that other teams are willing to accept him. Take it for instance, what if Curry will ask for a trade, for sure teams will be hoping that they can get him as currently he is the best player in the NBA.

I think it's common amongst great organization, even the Bulls during their second championship run, Jordan and Pippen has issues with Bulls general manager, Jerry Krause. And yet they were able to make a second 3peat. Didn't request for a trade because it's almost non-existent that time. But now we have cases like the Ben Simmons and Kyrie Irving drama, and then Durant requesting a trade. If Curry or Green do the same, then the Warriors will break apart. And that's how dynasty's are broken. Sooner or later there will be issues that the management and players disagree.
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July 31, 2022, 03:09:50 AM
If they will not grant Green's request to get a max salary and that will create a conflict between Curry and the organization, I think that's not good. Although Draymond is not a superstar but the Warriors are playing like a team, the big 3 is very significant for their success, so it's best to keep that intact than adding players which might not help if Draymond would not pay well because he was disappointed.
Woah, I wasn't updated with the happenings with the GSW from this point through Dray. Well, the final say will still come from the management if the demand will be given or not.

The conflict between players is common, but the conflict between players and management, that's very rare.
Yes, but it's happening already, the conflict is usually between the management and the superstar of the team because a superstar knows his value, if he will leave or gets traded, the knows that other teams are willing to accept him. Take it for instance, what if Curry will ask for a trade, for sure teams will be hoping that they can get him as currently he is the best player in the NBA.
It is rarely happening but due to the achievements of these players, they're demanding and want to be comfortable with what they've got. I guess this is a hot pot now and a lot to say about this issue. Well, if Steph asks for a trade, the management won't allow it for sure.
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July 31, 2022, 02:57:29 AM

The conflict between players is common, but the conflict between players and management, that's very rare.

Yes, but it's happening already, the conflict is usually between the management and the superstar of the team because a superstar knows his value, if he will leave or gets traded, the knows that other teams are willing to accept him. Take it for instance, what if Curry will ask for a trade, for sure teams will be hoping that they can get him as currently he is the best player in the NBA.
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July 31, 2022, 01:19:54 AM
One thing Green has on his side is that he's part of the "Big 3" in the Warriors organization.  Stephen Curry has already come out and basically said that if they want to keep him happy, they'll resign Draymond to the max. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-rumors-warriors-could-create-a-huge-rift-with-stephen-curry-over-draymond-green-s-situation/ar-AA10826E?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9039e762dead4e93874088df74505872

I think it's pretty clear Draymond is not a max player.  He might be extremely valuable to the Warriors given how his skillset is utilized, but he's on the downhill slide of his career and it's obvious.  He's become a liability as a shooter, and he's not getting any quicker.  I think the Warriors would actually be wise to let him go and develop Wiseman more, but I can't imagine the Warriors management doing anything that would make Curry upset.  It's likely that they'll look at any additional money they have to pay Draymond as a fee to keep Curry happy.
That one may best describe what is happening.
Keep Curry happy and we might make another championship. But this will mean a lot of money coming out of their pockets and it also means tons of luxury tax waiting for them.
I may be impressed with the patience of Draymond to let the play work out before passing the ball, but in terms of the Warriors being cornered, he cannot do anything when the ball is still in his hand.
Let's see what Wiseman will bring when he comes back to the NBA floor, maybe that will change the perspective of their management after a year or a couple. That could be the reason why Green is looking for a longer contract, a threat is coming.  Cheesy

If they will not grant Green's request to get a max salary and that will create a conflict between Curry and the organization, I think that's not good. Although Draymond is not a superstar but the Warriors are playing like a team, the big 3 is very significant for their success, so it's best to keep that intact than adding players which might not help if Draymond would not pay well because he was disappointed.

So what would happen, is Curry trying to threaten the organization that there could be a conflict if they will not give Draymond's demand? I think the organization knows what they are doing, though in a team we have some superstars who are just working for the team, they are paid by the management and they have to respect the decision of the management.

The conflict between players is common, but the conflict between players and management, that's very rare.
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July 31, 2022, 12:56:52 AM
One thing Green has on his side is that he's part of the "Big 3" in the Warriors organization.  Stephen Curry has already come out and basically said that if they want to keep him happy, they'll resign Draymond to the max. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-rumors-warriors-could-create-a-huge-rift-with-stephen-curry-over-draymond-green-s-situation/ar-AA10826E?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9039e762dead4e93874088df74505872

I think it's pretty clear Draymond is not a max player.  He might be extremely valuable to the Warriors given how his skillset is utilized, but he's on the downhill slide of his career and it's obvious.  He's become a liability as a shooter, and he's not getting any quicker.  I think the Warriors would actually be wise to let him go and develop Wiseman more, but I can't imagine the Warriors management doing anything that would make Curry upset.  It's likely that they'll look at any additional money they have to pay Draymond as a fee to keep Curry happy.
That one may best describe what is happening.
Keep Curry happy and we might make another championship. But this will mean a lot of money coming out of their pockets and it also means tons of luxury tax waiting for them.
I may be impressed with the patience of Draymond to let the play work out before passing the ball, but in terms of the Warriors being cornered, he cannot do anything when the ball is still in his hand.
Let's see what Wiseman will bring when he comes back to the NBA floor, maybe that will change the perspective of their management after a year or a couple. That could be the reason why Green is looking for a longer contract, a threat is coming.  Cheesy

If they will not grant Green's request to get a max salary and that will create a conflict between Curry and the organization, I think that's not good. Although Draymond is not a superstar but the Warriors are playing like a team, the big 3 is very significant for their success, so it's best to keep that intact than adding players which might not help if Draymond would not pay well because he was disappointed.
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July 31, 2022, 12:31:35 AM
One thing Green has on his side is that he's part of the "Big 3" in the Warriors organization.  Stephen Curry has already come out and basically said that if they want to keep him happy, they'll resign Draymond to the max. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-rumors-warriors-could-create-a-huge-rift-with-stephen-curry-over-draymond-green-s-situation/ar-AA10826E?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9039e762dead4e93874088df74505872

I think it's pretty clear Draymond is not a max player.  He might be extremely valuable to the Warriors given how his skillset is utilized, but he's on the downhill slide of his career and it's obvious.  He's become a liability as a shooter, and he's not getting any quicker.  I think the Warriors would actually be wise to let him go and develop Wiseman more, but I can't imagine the Warriors management doing anything that would make Curry upset.  It's likely that they'll look at any additional money they have to pay Draymond as a fee to keep Curry happy.
That one may best describe what is happening.
Keep Curry happy and we might make another championship. But this will mean a lot of money coming out of their pockets and it also means tons of luxury tax waiting for them.
I may be impressed with the patience of Draymond to let the play work out before passing the ball, but in terms of the Warriors being cornered, he cannot do anything when the ball is still in his hand.
Let's see what Wiseman will bring when he comes back to the NBA floor, maybe that will change the perspective of their management after a year or a couple. That could be the reason why Green is looking for a longer contract, a threat is coming.  Cheesy
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July 30, 2022, 08:34:59 PM
Injury is definitely one of the defining parts of basketball career of a player. Stockton was known for being an ironman, played for a decade without missing. Lebron is also on the path for something close, sure he missed some games or sit out some others but dude played for 20 years now, and still going on very strong without much detoriation. So all in all, if you get injuries, then you will not be that lucky to bounce back and have a great career after that.

Yeah, and you can't put the argument about era's, I mean previous era was brutal in terms of physical as compare to to today but we still got players get injured and that's it. There are just a shade of them when they come back. Perhaps those who are pone to injures are very athletic NBA players?

One player that comes to my mind is of course the Iron Man himself, - AC Green. And if I'm not mistaken, still holds the record for most consecutive game played in regular season, it was like 1000 game or more. And he played in the era wherein it was really tough to defend. And he usually defended the opposing team's power forward to center position. And his streak was almost broken in the mid 90's when he was elbowed in the face, but he continue to play wearing a protective mask.
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July 30, 2022, 06:37:21 PM
Injury is definitely one of the defining parts of basketball career of a player. Stockton was known for being an ironman, played for a decade without missing. Lebron is also on the path for something close, sure he missed some games or sit out some others but dude played for 20 years now, and still going on very strong without much detoriation. So all in all, if you get injuries, then you will not be that lucky to bounce back and have a great career after that.

Brandon Roy comes to mind as well, or Greg Oden who was one of the last few big men that played old school, after him, we started to slowly grow into smaller lineups and nobody like that ever succeeded again, even if they were good.

Yes, Oden was one, he was the top pick in 2007, even ahead of Durant, unfortunately, we didn't see how great he was as injuries really took him out of the NBA.

As for Isiah Thomas, when he was in Boston and having a statistics that we haven't seen a while for a guy like him, he was really having a great season. But he was playing injured already. And as far as his revelation Celtics told him that it is not career threatening so he continue to play until he can't bear the pain anymore. And again, same thing happen, he wasn't able to recovered from his hip injuries and then got traded. He then blame the Celtics though, and him trusting their doctors and organization that he is still ok and just continue to play.
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July 30, 2022, 05:57:29 PM
Look at Isaiah Thomas. He was illegible for max contract in Boston, but he got injured before he can secure it. That one injury turned his supposed big paycheck into almost nothing. He got traded and now, just a few years later, he is gone in the league.

That was really an unfortunate experience for him. Because of his injury after being an almost season MVP during his prime years, from an expected max contract in Boston Celtics which play around $200M, he was being traded and no choice but to accept a lower deal.

The same thing happened with DeMarcus Cousins when he becomes eligible on max contact during his tenure at New Orleans Pelicans. I even remember posting about it here years ago in this thread regarding that. Unfortunately, Cousins tore his achilles and now forced to sign a small contract since then.

If I'm wrong about Cousins, anyone can correct me. That was way back years so I might forgot already some of the exact details.
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