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Quote from: Dave1 on July 29, 2022, 08:10:29 PM

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The chances of Carmelo getting a championship ring is somehow bigger if he will be in the Warriors than he is at the Lakers, I mean, the Lakers roster is decent but not good enough compared to the Warriors who have a big chance to win back-to-back championship this coming season 22-23 because the Lakers are still rebuilding the team after what happened to them recently, you know what I mean.

Lakers have the same roster, so their chance will still be the same last season. Even if Davis will be healthy but if Westbrook will remain struggling, that will not help the Lakers as Westbrook is surely a starter again. Melo getting a ring, that sounds nice, maybe he can retire after that.

We can't compare the Lakers and the Warriors, both could have the same chances last year, specially Lakers wherein there is a high expectations on them. While the Warriors were not among the favorites by suddenly even without Thompson in the first half of the season, they manage to stop on the top 3 in the West. So let's see if Melo can even land to a decent team this season, him, Dwight and others are still free without any offers.

I'm sure these two will get an offer because they will easily fit into the budget of any team due to their low amount of contract. If Melo will and with the Warriors, no doubt he will be a big help as it has not happen the Warriors acquired a player that they did not utilize well.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 29, 2022, 10:13:16 PM

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The Nets are too greedy IMO because they are asking Brown + Smart + rotational picks + draft picks which is too much for only one player that is also prone to injuries. If the Nets will push this trade then it would be better for the Celtics to not make a trade with them. Like many are saying, there is a chance that Durant might stay in the Nets because the management are asking too much players towards other teams.

They are too greedy because they build a trio that is an MVP caliber, that experiment failed though and now their trade is so ridiculous as it's like destroying a team for a trade to happen. I don't know if Durant will be traded but with that kind of terms, no team would make that deal possible.

I think it's more of a strategy, well if Boston or any other team for that matter to exchange with that huge amount of good players and draft picks then why not?

And so as we look at it currently, no one is willing to move an inch regarding the trade. Celtics management might still be thinking right now whether to accept it and take the risk. Time is running out to make a deal for Durant.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 29, 2022, 09:27:18 PM

The Nets are too greedy IMO because they are asking Brown + Smart + rotational picks + draft picks which is too much for only one player that is also prone to injuries. If the Nets will push this trade then it would be better for the Celtics to not make a trade with them. Like many are saying, there is a chance that Durant might stay in the Nets because the management are asking too much players towards other teams.

They are too greedy because they build a trio that is an MVP caliber, that experiment failed though and now their trade is so ridiculous as it's like destroying a team for a trade to happen. I don't know if Durant will be traded but with that kind of terms, no team would make that deal possible.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on July 29, 2022, 08:03:40 PM

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The Nets would have be the winner such trade, imho.

But still, they declined. Brooklyn Nets wants more.

They already got some good offers from other teams and still ended up declining those offers. The longer they keep on waiting for a good offer might result in not receiving good offers instead in the next few days, weeks, or months.

But the good thing about this trade drama with Kevin Durant?

Some players now know that they are willing to be given up by their respective teams even how good and loyal they are.

Indeed! Even how harder you play alongside with the system, eventually you'll be named as one of the candidate to be traded out,

such annoying reality that there's no sure thing inside this league. Everything is part of the business and as a player you are an asset

that can be traded to get a deal even you don't like being moved away. Nets still asking for more or maybe they are not really willing

to set him free and they are just playing Durant's demand being traded out.

It's the reality but I believe they knew it already from the start that things like this will happen. I believe that when they first enter the NBA, they know that this will happen and they will be traded if the management wants to. You play harder, your worth will be higher and you might be used to trade with other high profile player.

The Nets are too greedy IMO because they are asking Brown + Smart + rotational picks + draft picks which is too much for only one player that is also prone to injuries. If the Nets will push this trade then it would be better for the Celtics to not make a trade with them. Like many are saying, there is a chance that Durant might stay in the Nets because the management are asking too much players towards other teams.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 29, 2022, 08:34:40 AM

Quote from: Kasabus on July 29, 2022, 07:55:01 AM

The chances of Carmelo getting a championship ring is somehow bigger if he will be in the Warriors than he is at the Lakers, I mean, the Lakers roster is decent but not good enough compared to the Warriors who have a big chance to win back-to-back championship this coming season 22-23 because the Lakers are still rebuilding the team after what happened to them recently, you know what I mean.

Lakers have the same roster, so their chance will still be the same last season. Even if Davis will be healthy but if Westbrook will remain struggling, that will not help the Lakers as Westbrook is surely a starter again. Melo getting a ring, that sounds nice, maybe he can retire after that.

We can't compare the Lakers and the Warriors, both could have the same chances last year, specially Lakers wherein there is a high expectations on them. While the Warriors were not among the favorites by suddenly even without Thompson in the first half of the season, they manage to stop on the top 3 in the West. So let's see if Melo can even land to a decent team this season, him, Dwight and others are still free without any offers.

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 29, 2022, 06:53:58 PM

Quote from: Harkorede on July 29, 2022, 05:42:29 PM

The Nets would have be the winner such trade, imho.

But still, they declined. Brooklyn Nets wants more.

They already got some good offers from other teams and still ended up declining those offers. The longer they keep on waiting for a good offer might result in not receiving good offers instead in the next few days, weeks, or months.

But the good thing about this trade drama with Kevin Durant?

Some players now know that they are willing to be given up by their respective teams even how good and loyal they are.

Indeed! Even how harder you play alongside with the system, eventually you'll be named as one of the candidate to be traded out,

such annoying reality that there's no sure thing inside this league. Everything is part of the business and as a player you are an asset

that can be traded to get a deal even you don't like being moved away. Nets still asking for more or maybe they are not really willing

to set him free and they are just playing Durant's demand being traded out.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on July 29, 2022, 05:47:54 PM

How about just Smart and White, with some picks? I do not know if that is a salary matched, but I am sure they could get some other player they do not want and make that happen. This way, they keep Brown and Tatum, also Horford, but also add in Durant to this and thats a championship team which we all know. However, Nets wouldn't probably go for that, they would probably want some big bang for him, they would probably want the worlds for him because thats basically what they paid to get him. In the end, Durant will leave, and if he said he wants to be traded, Nets will eventually accept less than what they normally would now.

The Nets will not bite this. Brown is more valuable than Smart but the Nets rejected that offer. Maybe if it was Tatum that Celtics offered, maybe they will bite. But as we all know, Tatum is untouchable in Boston. They are building their team around him. He is the face of Boston right now.

Quote from: danherbias07 on July 29, 2022, 10:09:29 AM

Draymond Green wants four-year max extension, willing to explore other teams if Warriors won't pay, per report
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I admire his hard work and love for the game but there should always be a limit to what you could get. By asking for more money, he is restricting the entry of good roleplayers to be part of their team.

There is no harm in trying anyway. If the warriors bite, then it is all good. And if not, well he can try fishing if another team will bite. And if all fails, he still has player options in 2023-24 season. Luck favors the bold and he is testing it.

Quote from: agustina2 on July 29, 2022, 06:53:58 PM

But the good thing about this trade drama with Kevin Durant?

Some players now know that they are willing to be given up by their respective teams even how good and loyal they are.

I think they know that from the very beginning since they are all professionals. It is sports but at the end of the day it is business.

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Quote from: Harkorede on July 29, 2022, 05:42:29 PM

The Nets would have be the winner such trade, imho.

But still, they declined. Brooklyn Nets wants more.

They already got some good offers from other teams and still ended up declining those offers. The longer they keep on waiting for a good offer might result in not receiving good offers instead in the next few days, weeks, or months.

But the good thing about this trade drama with Kevin Durant?

Some players now know that they are willing to be given up by their respective teams even how good and loyal they are.

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How about just Smart and White, with some picks? I do not know if that is a salary matched, but I am sure they could get some other player they do not want and make that happen. This way, they keep Brown and Tatum, also Horford, but also add in Durant to this and thats a championship team which we all know. However, Nets wouldn't probably go for that, they would probably want some big bang for him, they would probably want the worlds for him because thats basically what they paid to get him. In the end, Durant will leave, and if he said he wants to be traded, Nets will eventually accept less than what they normally would now.

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Quote from: sana54210 on July 29, 2022, 04:11:34 PM

What everyone is missing here is that I said also picks, and I do not mean like a few of them, I meant "overhaul" when I said that, meaning they want to lock the entire future of a team, plus any other picks that they may have from other trades they had earlier.

I got your point but Brooklyn Nets I think are not interested anymore in future picks as a trade package in exchange for Kevin Durant as they already gave up all their future draft picks right to sign Irving and Durant. If they will back on getting future picks in exchange for Kevin Durant, the risk they take when they gambled for Durant and Irving will all be useless.

One thing is for sure, the Nets want a high-profile player too in the same league as Kevin Durant. Just look at a recent example where they demand more when the Celtics show interest in the trade and consider Jaylen Brown to be traded plus a bunch of important 1st round picks. That's a worthy package already for the Nets but they declined it.

Clearly, the Nets want an established superstar already in exchange for Kevin Durant and not a currently rising star in the making.

I think the interest from Celtics was the best the Nets would probably get for Kevin Durant, I mean the Nets know the worth Kevin Durant but just don't want only an already high-profile player, because in my books Jaylen Brown is an high-profile player, and Celtics giving the Nets just with Derrick White and couple of first round picks could seem like they're lowballing his worth, but giving up Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart plus White and some draft picks is asking for too much imo, and that'd be given up part of the Celtics core identity for the past 6-7 years. The Nets would have be the winner such trade, imho.

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Quote from: karabiber on July 28, 2022, 03:27:28 PM

I was surprised when Kevin Durant asked the Nets to trade him. For this reason, many teams are struggling to add KD to their roster. But it looks like the Nets won't let go of KD easily. If KD leaves Nets it is inevitable that Nets will follow a good player. Contacted Raptors for a swap. The Nets have a strong hand in the KD trade and want rookie of the year Barnes from the Raptors. I think the Nets should send KD and sign Barnes, rookie of the year. This will be very good for their development. Because Barnes is a super player who can go to much better places in the future. It should be approached from a visionary point of view. It will be difficult to convince the Raptors.

Raptors are not letting go of Barnes for durant because the salaries don't match up. You can't just trade anyone for anyone, it has to match up and they are far off. Besides why would Raptors let go of the ROY on such a nice rookie deal with control of him for 4 more years. Gives you room to sign another high priced player to play beside him. That isn't even on the table.

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Quote from: sana54210 on July 29, 2022, 04:11:34 PM

What everyone is missing here is that I said also picks, and I do not mean like a few of them, I meant "overhaul" when I said that, meaning they want to lock the entire future of a team, plus any other picks that they may have from other trades they had earlier.

So, a team giving like 3 picks (one space between) and 3 second round ones on top of that, and maybe like 1-2 first rounds of another team they own, that's the type of deal we are talking about. I am not sure how many teams have that, but not many that Durant would love to go to. This is what they are looking for, it is public information, why they are? Because, they sold their entire future away when they made this team, and now they want it back.

Noone else is willing to deal their teams future though. Landing a mega star such as Durant or Westbrook, or even Kyrie is not gonna be cheap for any team. Durant wants a trade, he's done with Brooklyn. He has no loyalty. He left OKC, he left Golden State, and he will leave Brooklyn.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on July 29, 2022, 04:38:32 PM

I agree with you that Dwight Howard was pretty good during his prime in Orlando. However, his statistics are getting worse and worse every year, and it seems to me the latest rumors about Howard sound like he's really going to end his NBA career in the near future. To be honest, it would be sad because he is only 36 years old, and I think he would be able to play at least 2-3 seasons more.

As the NBA's top overall pick in 2004, Dwight Howard is really expected to be one of the most dominant rookies that season. During that season, having a big man on any team's roster is a big deal. But yes, like any most players that were dominating during their prime, they will show signs of slowing down as they progress. There are players that even in their post-prime already, are still a good asset to a team but not the case with Dwight Howard.

He's not been injury-prone the entire of his career but his dominance slowly faded because of that injuries. And the rest is history, signing with different teams, limited playing time, etc. like Howard is just enjoying his career.

Well, at least he got his first NBA title during the Bubble. A ring is a ring no matter how critics considered bubble season as a joke.

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Quote from: sana54210 on July 29, 2022, 04:11:34 PM

What everyone is missing here is that I said also picks, and I do not mean like a few of them, I meant "overhaul" when I said that, meaning they want to lock the entire future of a team, plus any other picks that they may have from other trades they had earlier.

I got your point but Brooklyn Nets I think are not interested anymore in future picks as a trade package in exchange for Kevin Durant as they already gave up all their future draft picks right to sign Irving and Durant. If they will back on getting future picks in exchange for Kevin Durant, the risk they take when they gambled for Durant and Irving will all be useless.

One thing is for sure, the Nets want a high-profile player too in the same league as Kevin Durant. Just look at a recent example where they demand more when the Celtics show interest in the trade and consider Jaylen Brown to be traded plus a bunch of important 1st round picks. That's a worthy package already for the Nets but they declined it.

Clearly, the Nets want an established superstar already in exchange for Kevin Durant and not a currently rising star in the making.

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 29, 2022, 03:38:44 AM

Yes, and to be honest, I will take a prime Howard against a prime Anthony Davis. During his prime, Dwight has really freakish, he can do everything and absolute beast inside that no big men can stop him.

But as time goes by, it's already 2023 season, he has lost some of his abilities, but for sure he can be good addition for a team that needs a back up center. He is still doing damage when he was with the Lakers last season and perhaps he can still play at least one season.

I agree with you that Dwight Howard was pretty good during his prime in Orlando. However, his statistics are getting worse and worse every year, and it seems to me the latest rumors about Howard sound like he's really going to end his NBA career in the near future. To be honest, it would be sad because he is only 36 years old, and I think he would be able to play at least 2-3 seasons more.

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What everyone is missing here is that I said also picks, and I do not mean like a few of them, I meant "overhaul" when I said that, meaning they want to lock the entire future of a team, plus any other picks that they may have from other trades they had earlier.

So, a team giving like 3 picks (one space between) and 3 second round ones on top of that, and maybe like 1-2 first rounds of another team they own, that's the type of deal we are talking about. I am not sure how many teams have that, but not many that Durant would love to go to. This is what they are looking for, it is public information, why they are? Because, they sold their entire future away when they made this team, and now they want it back.

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Quote from: harizen on July 28, 2022, 05:37:31 PM

Quote from: sana54210 on July 28, 2022, 05:22:47 PM

It's clear that what Nets are looking for is salary fillers (players unimportant, just match the salary of Durant) along with overhaul of picks, if they can get like 3-4 good picks, then whoever else as a player comes along with that wouldn't be cared.

Hmm, I think it's not. If that is just simple, there are teams who can match Kevin Durant's salary without risking their players to keep.

It's no secret that Brookly Nets already turned down lots of offers from those who show interest in Kevin Durant as they want good players in return which can't be granted that easily by those teams. It's not just they want some team to match the salary of Durant but they want a better package to fully utilize the trade.

They are trading a wonderful piece, not just a common player, and there's a chance they can get a big-name player too. For now, they don't find yet any good trade package so Durant is still hanging or maybe, no trade will happen and Durant has no choice but to still wear the Nets jersey in the upcoming season.

Well, we don't know though what's happening inside. Let's wait for the progress.

The trade was already through in just days or even hours from the moment Durant said that he wanted to be traded if that was the case, but the Nets wanted more than that, they have no regards in salary or whatever figure that comes along with the player because they just wanted someone that will be really an asset to the team and surely an All-Star caliber.

The Nets have their reasons why they rejected some proposals of the other team because their eyes was already fixed and that is to increase their chances to get the prize. We'll see this coming weeks if there will be updates regarding Durant's request to be traded.

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Draymond Green wants four-year max extension, willing to explore other teams if Warriors won't pay, per report
Draymond Green is cooking something.
Warriors should try not to give him the extension. Let's see where he would fall. Will other teams ever try to pursue him with a better offer or none will do?
It came from Steph Curry himself as to why he will not be as beneficial to other teams as he is in Golden State Warriors.
A "package deal".
I also think he is just saving Draymond because Steph will be a star no matter who in their roster is, but it's a different story if Draymond plays alone, he is like a star because of the plays provided by Steve and paired with Steph.
There's too much going on in his head now and it's getting bigger. He should get some rest.
I admire his hard work and love for the game but there should always be a limit to what you could get. By asking for more money, he is restricting the entry of good roleplayers to be part of their team.

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Quote from: Kasabus on July 29, 2022, 07:55:01 AM

The chances of Carmelo getting a championship ring is somehow bigger if he will be in the Warriors than he is at the Lakers, I mean, the Lakers roster is decent but not good enough compared to the Warriors who have a big chance to win back-to-back championship this coming season 22-23 because the Lakers are still rebuilding the team after what happened to them recently, you know what I mean.

By a large margin. In my opinion, Lakers are still in disarray while the Warriors are still very much intact with their core and young guns. Unlike last season, warriors are going to be a favorite this season to win the championship. If he wants a coattail ride to a championship, the warriors are his best bet.

Quote from: Jating on July 29, 2022, 07:41:57 AM

Perhaps he still haven't adjusted yet to the NBA. He really need to be self discipline otherwise he might not stay in the league for so long. He is athletic no doubt about it, but he needs to take care of that. And one thing is to get in shape, maybe 280-290ish might be the ideal weight for him. He can go and be agile and then higher as he is slimmer. The kid is 22 years old, and I would say that he need good people around him, sort of an adviser to help his in his career.

He should have already. He is in the league for three years already albeit he has been injured most of the time. This clause is a slap that he can't discipline himself so, the Pelicans are forcing him to do it. And he should, if he wants to continue playing and stablish himself in the league.

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Quote from: Kasabus on July 29, 2022, 07:55:01 AM

The chances of Carmelo getting a championship ring is somehow bigger if he will be in the Warriors than he is at the Lakers, I mean, the Lakers roster is decent but not good enough compared to the Warriors who have a big chance to win back-to-back championship this coming season 22-23 because the Lakers are still rebuilding the team after what happened to them recently, you know what I mean.

Lakers have the same roster, so their chance will still be the same last season. Even if Davis will be healthy but if Westbrook will remain struggling, that will not help the Lakers as Westbrook is surely a starter again. Melo getting a ring, that sounds nice, maybe he can retire after that.

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