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June 29, 2022, 06:33:02 AM
I also don't think that Clippers should trade John Wall. He hasn't been playing in any game since April 24, 2021. This is a huge interval for a basketball player and it is hard to rely on that player again for some time at least. They can at least monitor his performance at Rockets for some time and then decide what to do. He was of course a very talented player but we don't know how he will return. I also agree with @Yaunfitda that Clippers should already be comfortable with George and Leonard for now.
Wall does not play because he doesn't like his team, he just wants to be traded and I don't think because he didn't play that will lessen his value. IMO, Wall still belongs to the league of superstar in the NBA, and he can be a big help for the Clippers campaign to win a championship.

Not sure about that, I mean additional offensive star to be paired with Kawhai and Paul George, it's not a question in terms of Wall's

capabilities, he's one of prominent star and he can provide good numbers, but if the trade will happen, it's another chemistry to work

out between these three superstars, something that the person itself needs to adjust and how the coach will handle them in terms of

rotating them. For sure, once Kawhai got healthy, he was still the alpha of this team.
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June 29, 2022, 05:43:43 AM
I also don't think that Clippers should trade John Wall. He hasn't been playing in any game since April 24, 2021. This is a huge interval for a basketball player and it is hard to rely on that player again for some time at least. They can at least monitor his performance at Rockets for some time and then decide what to do. He was of course a very talented player but we don't know how he will return. I also agree with @Yaunfitda that Clippers should already be comfortable with George and Leonard for now.
Wall does not play because he doesn't like his team, he just wants to be traded and I don't think because he didn't play that will lessen his value. IMO, Wall still belongs to the league of superstar in the NBA, and he can be a big help for the Clippers campaign to win a championship.
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June 29, 2022, 05:34:12 AM
If it's the Clippers I don't think they need another star. Strengthening their bench might be their best choice if they want progress. That way even if Leonard or Paul George is injured someone could handle the holes left by them.
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Don't know what the Clippers are thinking but John Wall wasn't that healthy as his early years, he's really prone to injuries. They should utilize their own roster I guess, they got a good coaching staff with Tyrone Lue and Dan Craig as an assistant got their rings already, maybe they need to strengthen their bench even more. Overall, they should have to not be prone on injuries as well on their star players.
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June 29, 2022, 05:15:58 AM
I also don't think that Clippers should trade John Wall. He hasn't been playing in any game since April 24, 2021. This is a huge interval for a basketball player and it is hard to rely on that player again for some time at least. They can at least monitor his performance at Rockets for some time and then decide what to do. He was of course a very talented player but we don't know how he will return. I also agree with @Yaunfitda that Clippers should already be comfortable with George and Leonard for now.
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June 29, 2022, 05:13:18 AM
But they will get nothing in return if they get a player as injured prone as John Wall, And it's pretty obvious that his prime years are gone already and even if he forced himself, (would be a mistake) he might get injured again. I think the best option for Clippers is just to wait for Leonard to be healthy and Paul George. The role players have adopted and I would say that they are just waiting for the team to be 100% healthy and that is their biggest chance to go to the playoff next season, not getting John Wall.
If it's the Clippers I don't think they need another star. Strengthening their bench might be their best choice if they want progress. That way even if Leonard or Paul George is injured someone could handle the holes left by them.

We saw Norman Powell played at the last few games of the season, that's a good sign for them and Terance Mann is gaining more experience looking like a young Kawhi Leonard in the making. I would focus on making these players be at their best and creating a closer chemistry rather than creating chaos by messing up the roster. My 2 cents.
Clippers might be looking for a shortcut and they want to build right away a championship team. It's not the players that made this team better but their system, so as long as the system is working, anyone who would play with the team will get better.

We do know that shortcut might not work for players that are injury prone like Wall. Lakers try to make that formula last season, with WB and Melo and others good by way past their prime stars, but it was a disaster. So for me, no need to get that route, no shortcuts. They really has to work very hard, just like what the Warriors have to endure when they have a lot of injuries. But instead they have to go back, long hard and grind and after 2 years, they are the champions again.

Well, they know better so I will just trust their decision in case they will trade a bunch of players for John Wall. I feel that Clippers are looking for another option in case Leonard gets injured again and with PG and Wall, I think they can still be a championship team.
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June 29, 2022, 04:45:41 AM
But they will get nothing in return if they get a player as injured prone as John Wall, And it's pretty obvious that his prime years are gone already and even if he forced himself, (would be a mistake) he might get injured again. I think the best option for Clippers is just to wait for Leonard to be healthy and Paul George. The role players have adopted and I would say that they are just waiting for the team to be 100% healthy and that is their biggest chance to go to the playoff next season, not getting John Wall.
If it's the Clippers I don't think they need another star. Strengthening their bench might be their best choice if they want progress. That way even if Leonard or Paul George is injured someone could handle the holes left by them.

We saw Norman Powell played at the last few games of the season, that's a good sign for them and Terance Mann is gaining more experience looking like a young Kawhi Leonard in the making. I would focus on making these players be at their best and creating a closer chemistry rather than creating chaos by messing up the roster. My 2 cents.
Clippers might be looking for a shortcut and they want to build right away a championship team. It's not the players that made this team better but their system, so as long as the system is working, anyone who would play with the team will get better.

We do know that shortcut might not work for players that are injury prone like Wall. Lakers try to make that formula last season, with WB and Melo and others good by way past their prime stars, but it was a disaster. So for me, no need to get that route, no shortcuts. They really has to work very hard, just like what the Warriors have to endure when they have a lot of injuries. But instead they have to go back, long hard and grind and after 2 years, they are the champions again.
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June 29, 2022, 04:44:57 AM

If it's the Clippers I don't think they need another star. Strengthening their bench might be their best choice if they want progress. That way even if Leonard or Paul George is injured someone could handle the holes left by them.

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agree, they do not need more stars, they need more players that can play the role, when needed, to increase bench points
although, when looked at the finals, one man can decide on everything, if he is called Curry, but you need bench to reach the finals in the first place

Clippers have good stars basis, few role players would give them strength and stability

Clippers can win a championship if both teams are healthy, that's what I believe.

Remember when Leonard was injured in the playoffs and yet Clippers were able to reach in the WCF? They gave the Suns a good fight, so if Leonard was there, I'm pretty sure that they will beat the Suns and could have beat Giannis in the NBA Finals.

Let's just hope that Leonard will be healthy because he is a very capable guy.
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June 29, 2022, 04:16:48 AM

If it's the Clippers I don't think they need another star. Strengthening their bench might be their best choice if they want progress. That way even if Leonard or Paul George is injured someone could handle the holes left by them.

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agree, they do not need more stars, they need more players that can play the role, when needed, to increase bench points
although, when looked at the finals, one man can decide on everything, if he is called Curry, but you need bench to reach the finals in the first place

Clippers have good stars basis, few role players would give them strength and stability
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June 29, 2022, 04:08:35 AM
But they will get nothing in return if they get a player as injured prone as John Wall, And it's pretty obvious that his prime years are gone already and even if he forced himself, (would be a mistake) he might get injured again. I think the best option for Clippers is just to wait for Leonard to be healthy and Paul George. The role players have adopted and I would say that they are just waiting for the team to be 100% healthy and that is their biggest chance to go to the playoff next season, not getting John Wall.
If it's the Clippers I don't think they need another star. Strengthening their bench might be their best choice if they want progress. That way even if Leonard or Paul George is injured someone could handle the holes left by them.

We saw Norman Powell played at the last few games of the season, that's a good sign for them and Terance Mann is gaining more experience looking like a young Kawhi Leonard in the making. I would focus on making these players be at their best and creating a closer chemistry rather than creating chaos by messing up the roster. My 2 cents.
Clippers might be looking for a shortcut and they want to build right away a championship team. It's not the players that made this team better but their system, so as long as the system is working, anyone who would play with the team will get better.
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June 29, 2022, 03:40:55 AM
But they will get nothing in return if they get a player as injured prone as John Wall, And it's pretty obvious that his prime years are gone already and even if he forced himself, (would be a mistake) he might get injured again. I think the best option for Clippers is just to wait for Leonard to be healthy and Paul George. The role players have adopted and I would say that they are just waiting for the team to be 100% healthy and that is their biggest chance to go to the playoff next season, not getting John Wall.
If it's the Clippers I don't think they need another star. Strengthening their bench might be their best choice if they want progress. That way even if Leonard or Paul George is injured someone could handle the holes left by them.

We saw Norman Powell played at the last few games of the season, that's a good sign for them and Terance Mann is gaining more experience looking like a young Kawhi Leonard in the making. I would focus on making these players be at their best and creating a closer chemistry rather than creating chaos by messing up the roster. My 2 cents.
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June 29, 2022, 03:37:24 AM

What the Los Angeles Clippers are doing lol. They are already good even without their main players, why push for another injury-prone player? Paul George and Kawhi Leonard are already injury-prone and yet they want to add another player that is injury-prone.

There is no way the Clippers will get Wall's right for cheap. Clippers really want to sacrifice those players who stepped up for them while their highest-paid players Paul George and Kawhi Leonard are on the sideline for long.

Not a good move to me. That aggressiveness is not good. There's no need for rebuilding. John Wall is not even a worthy player to sign with.

Yes! the Clippers is a good team no doubt about that, but not really good enough, they sure need fresh, not injury-prone players, but John Wall is not included, I really think they are thinking of the offensive power just kind of like the Golden State Warriors but I guess that is a little not like the Golden State Warriors,

And as we are talking here the LA Clippers are now fixing the trade for the free agent John Wall, and even with our speculation that John Wall will be fitted or not be fitted to be the Clippers they are still doing that trade,


I think it's all set that they'll be giving Poole a 4-years contract for $100-M. That's the latest that I've read but that's not detailed at all and just shown the numbers and such.

I think Jordan Poole has the best highlights in his NBA Career I think he will still give another shot next season with the Warriors even though the Warriors are just giving them a little hefty sum I think it is still an increase, and the Warriors are not rushing in with Andrew Wiggins and Jordan Poole to sign their respective contracts I think they know that Wiggins and Poole have a good start with their Careers with the Warriors so they will still be stay at least next season, or they can stay forever if they like,

Yes, they're not just doing it because the fans want so but they've seen the whole potential of the roster with these two and that's why they're not going to let go of them will try everything they can to keep them.

On my thought I think they surely showed what they really got in the last matches of the NBA, now many teams have really know their potential and what are they capable of, I really wish they can still upgrade in terms of their skill next season,
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June 29, 2022, 02:52:56 AM

Perhaps it will be a gamble on New York Knicks to offload Nerlens and Alec to Detroit just to get Jalen. The only connection I see is that his father is still the assistant coach of NYK? Rick Brunson? But still that is not a good reason for them to really want to get Jalen from Dallas with a max contract offers. They already got DRose and can he be a complement to Julius Randle?


A father-son duo? it's possible that this trade will materialize if NYK is really eager to sign him in.

The offer also enticing for both Brunson and the Dallas, Max contract is something that a player will always desire while
playing in this league.

On the Dallas side, future pick might bring them a decent player to help Luka. The trade always happened if both
sides are willing to sign we can't tell what the next season will be, we will just wait for the announcement.
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June 29, 2022, 02:47:55 AM
It looks like Clippers will be pretty aggressive this 2022 free agency. Apart from Wall, they are targeting to add a few more:

Sources: John Wall, Rockets agree to contract buyout; Clippers likely to sign 5-time All-Star in free agency

^ Probably not a bad move if they could get them for cheap. Question now is who are they going to let go to free up the roster for the new guys? I hope the management don't break the core of this team. I think they only need one or two additions before they could challenge for the championship again.
I don't understand why the Clippers should do this if ever it happens.
They did great considering there's no Kawhi, no PG13 at most of their games and still made it to the play-in tournament. 2 big stars, that was what was lost during their fight. Like cutting off the head of a Hydra. No leader and yet they are giving every team a difficult time to win against them.
The Clippers have great role players but they just lack the firepower (well because they are injured) and I don't think John Wall is the answer to that. He is also one player that is prone to injuries. Imagine signing him and then 3 of them are all on the bench being paid.  Lips sealed
Clippers fans will be devastated.

I agree, but it seems that the Clippers are desperate right now, owner are willing to spent more just to get that championship next season and maybe they are hoping the Kawhi will be healthy and so is Paul George. So it could work for them short term, maybe 2-3 years of experimenting, and after that Clippers will have to rebuild again. And this could also be John Wall's last chance, so who knows, maybe he will try his best to protect his body.
But they will get nothing in return if they get a player as injured prone as John Wall, And it's pretty obvious that his prime years are gone already and even if he forced himself, (would be a mistake) he might get injured again. I think the best option for Clippers is just to wait for Leonard to be healthy and Paul George. The role players have adopted and I would say that they are just waiting for the team to be 100% healthy and that is their biggest chance to go to the playoff next season, not getting John Wall.
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June 29, 2022, 01:35:20 AM
Latest trades,  Sources: New York Knicks trade Nerlens Noel, Alec Burks to Detroit Pistons, clear cap space for Jalen Brunson pursuit.

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The New York Knicks traded center Nerlens Noel and guard Alec Burks to the Detroit Pistons -- clearing $19 million in additional salary-cap space -- and they are now able to make an overwhelming contract offer in the neighborhood of $110 million to free-agent guard Jalen Brunson, sources told ESPN.

I'm not really sure New York's obsession with Jalen Brunson, don't get me wrong, his a good player no doubt and second option for Luka in Dallas, but ti seems that they are giving so much players including two future draft picks just to have a inside trade on Jalen for a max contract?

Perhaps it will be a gamble on New York Knicks to offload Nerlens and Alec to Detroit just to get Jalen. The only connection I see is that his father is still the assistant coach of NYK? Rick Brunson? But still that is not a good reason for them to really want to get Jalen from Dallas with a max contract offers. They already got DRose and can he be a complement to Julius Randle?
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June 29, 2022, 12:50:15 AM
I agree, but it seems that the Clippers are desperate right now, owner are willing to spent more just to get that championship next season and maybe they are hoping the Kawhi will be healthy and so is Paul George. So it could work for them short term, maybe 2-3 years of experimenting, and after that Clippers will have to rebuild again. And this could also be John Wall's last chance, so who knows, maybe he will try his best to protect his body.
Even in desperation, IMO that's still a bad move. @morvillz7z said $6m contract for 2 years is the possible offered contract and I don't think John Wall would like that compared to how much he earned at his last full-blast contract. His agent will definitely not agree with it too and would rather send him to China than accept that.
Since when is the last time we saw John Wall playing?
Yeah, no highlights, no Shaqtin. He is nowhere to be found last season. Last played 2020 if I am not mistaken.
It's an injury at home that tore his Achilles that's why the news didn't go viral unlike with Klay and Durant where injuries are in the game. Wall was not careful.
Some people even joked that if Steph and Klay are called the 'splash brothers', the trio of Kahwi, Paul, and John will be called the 'glass brothers' Grin
Hilarious!  Grin
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June 28, 2022, 11:36:45 PM
So many are doubtful on the possible move of Clippers to get John Wall and I understand. Some people even joked that if Steph and Klay are called the 'splash brothers', the trio of Kahwi, Paul, and John will be called the 'glass brothers' Grin The thing is that Wall needed to play in a competitive team while the Clippers needed another ball handler for their first or second unit depending on the availability of the two.

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I agree, but it seems that the Clippers are desperate right now, owner are willing to spent more just to get that championship next season and maybe they are hoping the Kawhi will be healthy and so is Paul George. So it could work for them short term, maybe 2-3 years of experimenting, and after that Clippers will have to rebuild again. And this could also be John Wall's last chance, so who knows, maybe he will try his best to protect his body.
Yeah we can say they are in a desperate situation and they need to produce better result for next season. They have always been interested in John Wall but his previous contract was huge. It's going to be different after the buyout in Houston though.
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June 28, 2022, 11:17:34 PM
Latest trades,  Sources: New York Knicks trade Nerlens Noel, Alec Burks to Detroit Pistons, clear cap space for Jalen Brunson pursuit.

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The New York Knicks traded center Nerlens Noel and guard Alec Burks to the Detroit Pistons -- clearing $19 million in additional salary-cap space -- and they are now able to make an overwhelming contract offer in the neighborhood of $110 million to free-agent guard Jalen Brunson, sources told ESPN.

I'm not really sure New York's obsession with Jalen Brunson, don't get me wrong, his a good player no doubt and second option for Luka in Dallas, but ti seems that they are giving so much players including two future draft picks just to have a inside trade on Jalen for a max contract?
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June 28, 2022, 09:13:16 PM
I agree, but it seems that the Clippers are desperate right now, owner are willing to spent more just to get that championship next season and maybe they are hoping the Kawhi will be healthy and so is Paul George. So it could work for them short term, maybe 2-3 years of experimenting, and after that Clippers will have to rebuild again. And this could also be John Wall's last chance, so who knows, maybe he will try his best to protect his body.

Injuries got them really good these past years and hope their return will change the flow of the games in the Western Conference and also Williamson in the Pelicans will also make his return and maybe we will gonna see different teams in the NBA playoffs this team is just like you said if they can maintain their healthy body throughout the season just like Klay Thompson because his comeback is absolutely amazing and they won a championship.
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June 28, 2022, 08:16:40 PM
It looks like Clippers will be pretty aggressive this 2022 free agency. Apart from Wall, they are targeting to add a few more:

Sources: John Wall, Rockets agree to contract buyout; Clippers likely to sign 5-time All-Star in free agency

^ Probably not a bad move if they could get them for cheap. Question now is who are they going to let go to free up the roster for the new guys? I hope the management don't break the core of this team. I think they only need one or two additions before they could challenge for the championship again.
I don't understand why the Clippers should do this if ever it happens.
They did great considering there's no Kawhi, no PG13 at most of their games and still made it to the play-in tournament. 2 big stars, that was what was lost during their fight. Like cutting off the head of a Hydra. No leader and yet they are giving every team a difficult time to win against them.
The Clippers have great role players but they just lack the firepower (well because they are injured) and I don't think John Wall is the answer to that. He is also one player that is prone to injuries. Imagine signing him and then 3 of them are all on the bench being paid.  Lips sealed
Clippers fans will be devastated.

I agree, but it seems that the Clippers are desperate right now, owner are willing to spent more just to get that championship next season and maybe they are hoping the Kawhi will be healthy and so is Paul George. So it could work for them short term, maybe 2-3 years of experimenting, and after that Clippers will have to rebuild again. And this could also be John Wall's last chance, so who knows, maybe he will try his best to protect his body.
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June 28, 2022, 07:35:22 PM
Kyrie has opted into his contract with the Nets. He’s secured his bag, now he needs to find a team to trade for him. By opting in, he ends the Lakers speculation that LeBron will get him to sign for the minimum and then get him his Nike deal back.
Good for him. It's the most practical decision to make given all the circumstances. He could still try with KD for another season and split up if they fail. I'm pretty sure Kyrie will still have a good value by then unless he gets seriously injured.

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This is sparking talk that Kevin Durant might join the Suns… That would be interesting. I don’t think it’ll happen, but there’s talks happening…
CP3 and KD in one team is an intriguing proposition to be honest. I would love too see that but it's a tough trade to pull off. Suns will have to give up a lot for this to happen.

Kyrie Irving will always be a valuable asset to any given team that's why there's still teams out there who would want to acquire him but upon acquiring him, they also have to deal with Irving's selfishness and he's thinking that he's that really entitled because of what he can bring to the team.

CP3 and KD in the same jersey is really an interesting to thing to see and lot's of fans are surely want to see it but yes, that will be an expensive acquisition for the Suns and I don't think they can afford to trade their current roster.
Suns are gonna trade Deandre Ayton, if they could work a deal for KD that would be a very impressive team next year. The Suns already had the best record in the West last year, imagine adding KD to CP3 Devin Booker, Crowder, Cameron Payne, and Bridges. Warriors would be in some trouble.

And I think Ayton too would be getting out of Phoenix, remember he was denied a max contract when some of his rookie batch mates where getting theirs. But he still performed very well last season and as dominant as a center could be, they just feel short.

Of course, any team that will add KD will be formidable, specially with a good point guard in CP3. And another wingman in Booker. But it will take more than 1:1 trade and it could lead to other core players to be included if that trade happens.
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