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Quote from: OgNasty on April 06, 2022, 12:02:45 AM

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I think John Wall is a better basketball player at this stage in their careers and would likely do more than Westbrook could,

He probably is but I'm talking from a team player perspective. I think Westbrook is better than him in that regard.

I wouldn't say that Westbrook is a team player because sometimes he doesn't worry about losing the ball on the court. I mean, he's more concerned about his stats than the team's final score. For example, there was a game in which he made 10 turnovers trying to make another triple-double, and the problem is that this was not the only case this season.

Don't get me wrong. I am comparing him with John Wall in the "team player" department.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 05, 2022, 11:52:34 PM

The Lakers-Phoenix game is over and the Phoenix won 121-110.
With this loss and the win of the Spurs, the Lakers are officially out of the play-in tournament...

I wouldn't have thought that was possible at the beginning of the year. Crazy that when the team needed him the most, LeBron is on the sidelines because he rolled his ankle. At least Westbrook is out there fighting for his team. Seems pretty typical of what the haters have come to expect when times get tough.

I don't know about the hating stuff but there are also a lot of people who honestly thought Lakers would struggle since the beginning of the season because of how the roster was built or assembled. I had my doubts as well but I kind of expected them to make the playoffs or play in tournament.

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I don't want to believe that the NBA is getting passed to a new generation, but this Lakers team doing as bad as they did this year is a pretty good indicator.

Maybe two or three years from now before we can truly say the torch has passed.

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Now we watch and see if LeBron's strategy of sitting out games while he has a 0.1 points per game lead over Joel Embiid works out for him.

Isn't it the other way around now? 30.4 for Embiid while 30.3 for James.

It would look probably look bad on him if he goes for the scoring title for the remaining games. He'll take most of the shots for sure and probably ignore if they win or not.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 05, 2022, 11:52:34 PM

The Lakers-Phoenix game is over and the Phoenix won 121-110.
With this loss and the win of the Spurs, the Lakers are officially out of the play-in tournament. The Eastern Conference's top 10 also is already there as well. Now lets just wait for the last games to be over and watch the play-in. Lakers are out.

I wouldn't have thought that was possible at the beginning of the year. Crazy that when the team needed him the most, LeBron is on the sidelines because he rolled his ankle. At least Westbrook is out there fighting for his team. Seems pretty typical of what the haters have come to expect when times get tough. I don't want to believe that the NBA is getting passed to a new generation, but this Lakers team doing as bad as they did this year is a pretty good indicator. Now we watch and see if LeBron's strategy of sitting out games while he has a 0.1 points per game lead over Joel Embiid works out for him.

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The Milwaukee Bucks played very well, I thought they would win the game, but I didn't think it would make such a difference. For the Bulls, DeRozan stood out with his 40-point performance, but the other players on the team didn't contribute much to the score and it was a tough game for the Bulls.
Again, the whole team played well in the Bucks, if they continue like this, they can get very good results in the upcoming matches

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on April 05, 2022, 09:20:29 PM

These Chicago Bulls are frustrating. I can’t believe I didn’t put money on the Milwaukee Bucks tonight as they were -4.5 favorites, and the Bulls per usual can’t perform against good teams, especially the Bucks whom might be the best team in the East. No Lavine tonight was difficult but this was just straight embarrassing.

I feel sorry for the Chicago Bulls this season like so much sorry for them.

They are at the top at the start and at the mid of the season and even reached top 1 and DeRozan has been a candidate for the MVP as well. Now that we are approaching the end of the season, injuries here and there. Lonzo, LaVine and Caruso have injuries. 3 out of their 5 main players are injured.

I still remember when I said that its good that the Bulls aren't facing any injuries but I was wrong. Their key players got injured at the worst time possible and now the playoffs is coming, I doubt that they can win in the first round against whoever team they will face with their key players out.

The Lakers-Phoenix game is over and the Phoenix won 121-110.
With this loss and the win of the Spurs, the Lakers are officially out of the play-in tournament. The Eastern Conference's top 10 also is already there as well. Now lets just wait for the last games to be over and watch the play-in. Lakers are out.

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Quote from: 24Kt on April 05, 2022, 04:38:02 PM

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Jazz almost lose that game against the Grizzlies. What are they doing? No Ja Morant, no Dillon Brooks. That should have been a blowout game if they played great defense. They are known for it but yet they lack the defensive energy now, maybe because of their losing streak and the effect of the bad loss against the Warriors.
Anyway, they won but it went overtime. Grizzlies are strong on both main and bench players. The playoffs will be more entertaining.

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Quote from: Yogee on April 05, 2022, 08:11:59 PM

Quote from: ingiltere on April 05, 2022, 08:36:08 PM

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I think John Wall is a better basketball player at this stage in their careers and would likely do more than Westbrook could,

He probably is but I'm talking from a team player perspective. I think Westbrook is better than him in that regard.

I wouldn't say that Westbrook is a team player because sometimes he doesn't worry about losing the ball on the court. I mean, he's more concerned about his stats than the team's final score. For example, there was a game in which he made 10 turnovers trying to make another triple-double, and the problem is that this was not the only case this season.

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These Chicago Bulls are frustrating. I can’t believe I didn’t put money on the Milwaukee Bucks tonight as they were -4.5 favorites, and the Bulls per usual can’t perform against good teams, especially the Bucks whom might be the best team in the East. No Lavine tonight was difficult but this was just straight embarrassing.

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Heat finished first half ten points ahead but Hornets closed the gap in second half. Other Hornets players couldn't get same rhythm as LaMelo in first half. In third quarter it was head-to-head again, Miles Bridges did everything, but in last quarter Heat got two digits lead again. Things are hard for Hornets now. Butler and Herro plays really well, Robinson and Adebayo also helped. Heat is close to finish the game early.

They close and complete the game with a win. It's that 4th quarter performance that really separates the game.

Heat dominated the last quarter with both offense and defense. There's no answer from the
Hornets, another great game from the young star, Herro and Robinson, jive well with the
core stars. These same stars who bring them to the finals from that last bubble against
the lakers..

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Heat finished first half ten points ahead but Hornets closed the gap in second half. Other Hornets players couldn't get same rhythm as LaMelo in first half. In third quarter it was head-to-head again, Miles Bridges did everything, but in last quarter Heat got two digits lead again. Things are hard for Hornets now. Butler and Herro plays really well, Robinson and Adebayo also helped. Heat is close to finish the game early.

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Quote from: goinmerry on April 05, 2022, 06:56:48 PM

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I think John Wall is a better basketball player at this stage in their careers and would likely do more than Westbrook could,

He probably is but I'm talking from a team player perspective. I think Westbrook is better than him in that regard.

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I think we can disregard John Wall being shifted or traded to any other teams.

It's reported before though I can't find the news now, that the Houston Rockets decided not to allow John Wall to play this season even though he is cleared to play. It's because they want to utilized him more next season while seeing the improvement of Jalen Green and Kevin Porter Jr. They allow their two young players to take over this season as part of the preparation for next season. They will also have a good ticket on the draft night and possibly can hunt good promising players to join their roster.

I can't find article that says that but that's a weird decision if they really planned to let him play next season. It makes more sense to have those three play together this season so they could develop chemistry as soon as possible. John Wall playing won't guarantee a playoff spot anyway. They could still end up at the bottom for all we know and get a better chance for the draft.

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Quote from: agustina2 on April 05, 2022, 06:56:36 PM

Quote from: wheelz1200 on April 05, 2022, 10:08:35 AM

Trading Westbrook is going to be next to impossible. They will either have to take on a longer contract for a player some other team doesn't want or package WB with young talent and/or draft capital so that another team will take on Westbrooks contract. Either way Lakers are in a lose/lose situation.

Before trading Westbrook, they should replace Vogel first. The Lakers can give a chance for Westbrook to get back in his shape. When Lebron James and Anthony Davis are healthy and playing alongside Westbrook, the Lakers have a good record.

The problem is their backup players and the distribution of playing time which is in Voge's role.

Trade their role players, and find good role players too. No need to be a former All-star or what. That can solve their chemistry issues.

I agree with the Vogel part, it seems that he has lost his touch already, we have seen that the small lineup is a failure, with Lebron playing at times the center position, it's not going to work because teams now are going to abused that mismatch. If he has ditch this one out early when it is not working and inserted Dwight or even DJ when he was still a Lakers, maybe the outcome should have played differently.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on April 05, 2022, 10:08:35 AM

I think John Wall is a better basketball player at this stage in their careers and would likely do more than Westbrook could, not to mention the Westbrook experiment is a failure, so anything to make a change might be good.

I think we can disregard John Wall being shifted or traded to any other teams.

It's reported before though I can't find the news now, that the Houston Rockets decided not to allow John Wall to play this season even though he is cleared to play. It's because they want to utilized him more next season while seeing the improvement of Jalen Green and Kevin Porter Jr. They allow their two young players to take over this season as part of the preparation for next season. They will also have a good ticket on the draft night and possibly can hunt good promising players to join their roster.

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Trading Westbrook is going to be next to impossible. They will either have to take on a longer contract for a player some other team doesn't want or package WB with young talent and/or draft capital so that another team will take on Westbrooks contract. Either way Lakers are in a lose/lose situation.

Before trading Westbrook, they should replace Vogel first. The Lakers can give a chance for Westbrook to get back in his shape. When Lebron James and Anthony Davis are healthy and playing alongside Westbrook, the Lakers have a good record.

The problem is their backup players and the distribution of playing time which is in Voge's role.

Trade their role players, and find good role players too. No need to be a former All-star or what. That can solve their chemistry issues.

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Quote from: Maslate on April 05, 2022, 04:35:15 PM

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on April 05, 2022, 10:08:35 AM

Trading Westbrook is going to be next to impossible. They will either have to take on a longer contract for a player some other team doesn't want or package WB with young talent and/or draft capital so that another team will take on Westbrooks contract. Either way Lakers are in a lose/lose situation.

Certainly. Stats base he is down by a high percentage. His shooting is also unacceptable but he still have the agility to attack the paint which we can still witness up until now. Teams on the lower seeds now will just risk it with the draft for a younger player and not expensive rather than an old one with his contract intact.
A good comparison of a difference is CP3 and WB. Both do not have a championship yet and with high stats on their prime but I think most team owners would pick the former. Even OKC did great when CP3 was inserted in it and even went to the playoffs with no chemistry whatsoever just the leadership.

I’m sure a deal with his and John Wall’s terrible contracts is always a possibility.

John Wall acquisition would be problematic if Lakers pair him to Lebron or AD. It's probably much worse than what they have right now. Westbrook may have been a disappointment but he still tried to "blend" with the team to be fair. I don't think Wall is someone will do that. He's like one of those Alpha and will struggle if he doesn't get most of the ball.

I see the other way, for me, John is a great captain than Westbrook, if LA will give Wall the real position of a PG, let him manage the floor, things will be better for the Lakers by next season. These players (Lebron, AD, and Wall) may have past their primes but their experience and chemistry are enough to make a successful team.

Yes they have the experience and all that but who will be the floor general is the first problem they have to deal with. It's not something the coach can decide on his own since players have so much power today. I seriously doubt Lebron would give way like what D. Wade did when they played in Miami. I also don't see Wall swallowing his ego and pride to accept a secondary role.

They can think of chemistry next.

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The Golden State Warriors continue to show that the team can do something without Curry who beat the Sacramento Kings without difficulty and won their second straight win. This team can perform very well when the playoff time comes and be one of the biggest candidates for the championship it will be nice to watch

I don't know if this is conclusive, but we can't rush into these last few games

I'm not belittling the team, but the Warriors will only be tested if they play against a team of excellent quality, or even in the first rounds of the playoffs.
If the team progresses without Curry, yes, we can conclude the GSW are mature and good enough to be a competitive team without Curry.

Came here for discussion of the teams as I am looking for insights how they will be performing inside the court. Betting a lot this season. So small clues would help. Wink

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Quote from: Yogee on April 05, 2022, 04:24:47 PM

Quote from: wheelz1200 on April 05, 2022, 10:08:35 AM

Trading Westbrook is going to be next to impossible. They will either have to take on a longer contract for a player some other team doesn't want or package WB with young talent and/or draft capital so that another team will take on Westbrooks contract. Either way Lakers are in a lose/lose situation.

Certainly. Stats base he is down by a high percentage. His shooting is also unacceptable but he still have the agility to attack the paint which we can still witness up until now. Teams on the lower seeds now will just risk it with the draft for a younger player and not expensive rather than an old one with his contract intact.
A good comparison of a difference is CP3 and WB. Both do not have a championship yet and with high stats on their prime but I think most team owners would pick the former. Even OKC did great when CP3 was inserted in it and even went to the playoffs with no chemistry whatsoever just the leadership.

I’m sure a deal with his and John Wall’s terrible contracts is always a possibility.

John Wall acquisition would be problematic if Lakers pair him to Lebron or AD. It's probably much worse than what they have right now. Westbrook may have been a disappointment but he still tried to "blend" with the team to be fair. I don't think Wall is someone will do that. He's like one of those Alpha and will struggle if he doesn't get most of the ball.

I think John Wall is a better basketball player at this stage in their careers and would likely do more than Westbrook could, not to mention the Westbrook experiment is a failure, so anything to make a change might be good.

The big news of the day is that the Lakers have already started looking into making a coaching change in the offseason. The candidate right now is Doc Rivers: https://sports.yahoo.com/report-sixers-coach-doc-rivers-182013950.html

I think a coaching change is a must and I think it's likely that Doc Rivers could be coaching a big 3 of Lebron James, Russell Westbrook, & Demar DeRozan next season. Hopefully Carmelo is willing to run it back and if Dwight Howard can stay healthy for one more year then they might actually have a shot at redemption. We'll see though... I think the Denver Nuggets are going to be tough to beat next year.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on April 05, 2022, 08:26:18 AM

The writing was on the wall with the Lakers from day one. They constructed the oldest team they could which in nba doesn't work need young legs out there. If this was 2015 this team would have been amazing but unfortunately it's not lol. This team was injuries waiting to happen. The x factor was russ which was always gonna be a bad fit with lebron and AD even though ad never really played. With those 2 you need off ball shooters and defenders. GM should be the one who should go. Vogel was set up to fail to begin with.

Another thing that was 100% obvious from the start is the fact that Lebron likes to get one great rebounder, himself, and 3 people who can shoot around him. I mean that's what he did literally all his life and that is when he gets to be the best he can be. Even at a very old age, any players who are shooters would have been a lot more awesome. Instead, they got westbrook, a guy who gets pissed off when you call him westbrick.

I mean why would you get a player who likes to drive to the rim and score there, when you have lebron on your team? Lebron is the king of doing that, you just got to get players who would shoot when Lebron passes outside when he gets in. Buddy Hield was talked about, if they got him, we would be talking so much differently.

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Quote from: Yogee on April 05, 2022, 04:24:47 PM

Quote from: wheelz1200 on April 05, 2022, 10:08:35 AM

Trading Westbrook is going to be next to impossible. They will either have to take on a longer contract for a player some other team doesn't want or package WB with young talent and/or draft capital so that another team will take on Westbrooks contract. Either way Lakers are in a lose/lose situation.

Certainly. Stats base he is down by a high percentage. His shooting is also unacceptable but he still have the agility to attack the paint which we can still witness up until now. Teams on the lower seeds now will just risk it with the draft for a younger player and not expensive rather than an old one with his contract intact.
A good comparison of a difference is CP3 and WB. Both do not have a championship yet and with high stats on their prime but I think most team owners would pick the former. Even OKC did great when CP3 was inserted in it and even went to the playoffs with no chemistry whatsoever just the leadership.

I’m sure a deal with his and John Wall’s terrible contracts is always a possibility.

John Wall acquisition would be problematic if Lakers pair him to Lebron or AD. It's probably much worse than what they have right now. Westbrook may have been a disappointment but he still tried to "blend" with the team to be fair. I don't think Wall is someone will do that. He's like one of those Alpha and will struggle if he doesn't get most of the ball.

I see the other way, for me, John is a great captain than Westbrook, if LA will give Wall the real position of a PG, let him manage the floor, things will be better for the Lakers by next season. These players (Lebron, AD, and Wall) may have past their primes but their experience and chemistry are enough to make a successful team.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on April 05, 2022, 10:08:35 AM

Trading Westbrook is going to be next to impossible. They will either have to take on a longer contract for a player some other team doesn't want or package WB with young talent and/or draft capital so that another team will take on Westbrooks contract. Either way Lakers are in a lose/lose situation.

Certainly. Stats base he is down by a high percentage. His shooting is also unacceptable but he still have the agility to attack the paint which we can still witness up until now. Teams on the lower seeds now will just risk it with the draft for a younger player and not expensive rather than an old one with his contract intact.
A good comparison of a difference is CP3 and WB. Both do not have a championship yet and with high stats on their prime but I think most team owners would pick the former. Even OKC did great when CP3 was inserted in it and even went to the playoffs with no chemistry whatsoever just the leadership.

I’m sure a deal with his and John Wall’s terrible contracts is always a possibility.

John Wall acquisition would be problematic if Lakers pair him to Lebron or AD. It's probably much worse than what they have right now. Westbrook may have been a disappointment but he still tried to "blend" with the team to be fair. I don't think Wall is someone will do that. He's like one of those Alpha and will struggle if he doesn't get most of the ball.

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