Joker is a player that can turn a team around all by himself by making others good as well. That should be the "most valuable player" award because valuable means not just being good yourself, but making your team good. Embiid is a great player for sure, there is no doubt about that, but is he the player that makes sixers great? I mean he makes them win for sure, but his talent doesn't help anyone else, giannis at least had some, but not that much passing anymore.
It is not just about passing neither, I mean you do not have to have high assists numbers, we had plenty of MVP's before without too high of an assists averages, but you need to find a way to make everyone else better as well, not just be individually great, or if you are, then you need to be clearly better than everyone else, not just by a little. Joker is both as great as others at everything, but he also makes his team shine as well.
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Embiid has Harden and Giannis has Middleton, so I think Joker has the edge because he has no Robin helping him to achieve the success.
That's a big difference, that's why he should win the finals MVP.
Lebron makes a lot of excuses, I thought he would be able to compete in this award but his team sucks, so he will just continue to achieve individual success while the impact on his team is not seen and felt.
I'm not sure if the betting line is still open now, but 1.31 odds for the Joker is still good to take.
With the stats he’s putting up, it would be difficult to deny that Giannis is the MVP. It seems like the voters always make the mistake of giving MVPs too soon to a player and then are left with a decision on what to do going forward when that player gets better. Steve Nash, Steph Curry, Giannis, all won MVPs a season before they should have. LeBron should’ve gotten 2 of those MVPs and Shaquille O’Neal should’ve gotten one. All of those players came back with even better years and forced voters to give them more MVPs because voters wanted so bad for a new face to be at the top before it was time.
The fact that the betting line is still open, there's still no assurance on who will win the MVP award, but it seems to me that Joker would really win this because he is the heavy favorite to win.
This is the updated betting odds, Giannis is only ranked at number 3.
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/mvp/
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Nikola Jokic (Denver) -320
Joel Embiid (Philadelphia) +220
Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee) +600
Joel Embiid (Philadelphia) +220
Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee) +600
Embiid has Harden and Giannis has Middleton, so I think Joker has the edge because he has no Robin helping him to achieve the success.
That's a big difference, that's why he should win the finals MVP.
Lebron makes a lot of excuses, I thought he would be able to compete in this award but his team sucks, so he will just continue to achieve individual success while the impact on his team is not seen and felt.
I'm not sure if the betting line is still open now, but 1.31 odds for the Joker is still good to take.
With the stats he’s putting up, it would be difficult to deny that Giannis is the MVP. It seems like the voters always make the mistake of giving MVPs too soon to a player and then are left with a decision on what to do going forward when that player gets better. Steve Nash, Steph Curry, Giannis, all won MVPs a season before they should have. LeBron should’ve gotten 2 of those MVPs and Shaquille O’Neal should’ve gotten one. All of those players came back with even better years and forced voters to give them more MVPs because voters wanted so bad for a new face to be at the top before it was time.
Embiid has Harden and Giannis has Middleton, so I think Joker has the edge because he has no Robin helping him to achieve the success.
That's a big difference, that's why he should win the finals MVP.
Lebron makes a lot of excuses, I thought he would be able to compete in this award but his team sucks, so he will just continue to achieve individual success while the impact on his team is not seen and felt.
I'm not sure if the betting line is still open now, but 1.31 odds for the Joker is still good to take.
^^ Yes your are correct, the last time I checked, (about a month ago), Embiid was all over the MVP race and he is the odds favorite.
But recently, Jokic and Giannis is doing good numbers statistically and bringing their team to a win why the Sixers, even with Harden is losing games right now. But for sure it will be a close fight for the MVP between the 3.
Gobert was interviewed and said if it was making the team better it was all Nikola Jokic. He approves about him being MVP which I think is right. It's the value of a player that matter and he had been lifting the Nuggets when Murray and MPJ was injured. They have Gordon yes, but the Joker had always been the center of their everything. He even made a new record that was not done since the start of the league. That should be a big plus to consider if ever the voting system will have the higher percentage to win. But recently, Jokic and Giannis is doing good numbers statistically and bringing their team to a win why the Sixers, even with Harden is losing games right now. But for sure it will be a close fight for the MVP between the 3.
And that's the main spice of being an MVP, doing everything for the best of the team, not just for personal stats
but to help the team in winning the game, Joker despite of being a center, he has that great talent distributing the ball, a very simple
but yet impacting when he's inside the court. He deserves to win another MVP award but both Giannis and Embiid are also doing everything
to win this award, whoever wins deserves to own the title. Only one will take the trophy!
Joker deserves to win because he leads his team most of the time on their wins. Not having Murray and Porter is not a problem, they were still able to make it to the playoffs. Embiid has Harden and Giannis has Middleton, so I think Joker has the edge because he has no Robin helping him to achieve the success.
LeBron hinted that he wanted to play with Stephen Curry, and Steph responded that he's good.
Imagine a world where Lakers get wiggins and some draft picks and whatever filler they can. In exchange for that Warriors get Lebron. I mean not only he is good enough even at that age, but dude would be the perfect player to play in that team. Just give him the ball, and watch him pile up assists like crazy. This isn't just lebron though, like rondo could do that even at this age, but his position is filled with curry, lebron is a great big that can pass, he could play the small ball line up as well. I mean this is just unreal for Warriors if it were to happen, would change the way a bit but could still be awesome for sure. Would love to watch that before he retires, dude could have like 12-13 assists per game avarages realistically and reach like 20 assists multiple times if he ever played there.
It is just sad to see LA Lakers being out of the playoff stage in this season. But they deserved this for sure. Because they haven't been that good as a team the whole season. And they deserved to be out of the title race as a result. Lebron just tried to carry the team by himself but of course it wasn't going to be enough for them. Lebron hasn't been contented with the team for a long time. They haven't built a lineup that he would like. And if they don't do this again, I wonder what Lebron is thinking of doing.
LeBron hinted that he wanted to play with Stephen Curry, and Steph responded that he's good. I think there is less and less demand for LeBron's talents these days, as teams know they have to gut their roster to build around him if they want to win a championship. At 37, 38 next year, there just isn't much of a reason to gut your roster to build around a guy that has maybe 3 years left in the league.
In typical LeBron fashion, he's decided to sit out the rest of the year because of his ankle sprain. He's definitely not Michael Jordan, or Kobe, but he's statistically the greatest NBA player of all time. I'd still want MJ taking the last shot if I were in charge...
It is just sad to see LA Lakers being out of the playoff stage in this season. But they deserved this for sure. Because they haven't been that good as a team the whole season. And they deserved to be out of the title race as a result. Lebron just tried to carry the team by himself but of course it wasn't going to be enough for them. Lebron hasn't been contented with the team for a long time. They haven't built a lineup that he would like. And if they don't do this again, I wonder what Lebron is thinking of doing.
^^ Yes your are correct, the last time I checked, (about a month ago), Embiid was all over the MVP race and he is the odds favorite.
But recently, Jokic and Giannis is doing good numbers statistically and bringing their team to a win why the Sixers, even with Harden is losing games right now. But for sure it will be a close fight for the MVP between the 3.
Gobert was interviewed and said if it was making the team better it was all Nikola Jokic. He approves about him being MVP which I think is right. It's the value of a player that matter and he had been lifting the Nuggets when Murray and MPJ was injured. They have Gordon yes, but the Joker had always been the center of their everything. He even made a new record that was not done since the start of the league. That should be a big plus to consider if ever the voting system will have the higher percentage to win. But recently, Jokic and Giannis is doing good numbers statistically and bringing their team to a win why the Sixers, even with Harden is losing games right now. But for sure it will be a close fight for the MVP between the 3.
And that's the main spice of being an MVP, doing everything for the best of the team, not just for personal stats
but to help the team in winning the game, Joker despite of being a center, he has that great talent distributing the ball, a very simple
but yet impacting when he's inside the court. He deserves to win another MVP award but both Giannis and Embiid are also doing everything
to win this award, whoever wins deserves to own the title. Only one will take the trophy!
He is already playing great when he is still in the Philadelphia 76ers but he had a huge ego even if it was just a small deal fight and he even chose to leave his teammates hanging when they needed him the most and that's not good. I'm seeing that reasons that the Nets won't be so reliant to him as he already have that history with him. Yes, he may not be good at offensive but it's still not too late for him to work himself out and his talent in the defensive side could be very helpful in the team.
To be honest, Ben needs to give his best here since all eyes are on him when he will gonna play for the Brooklyn Nets for the first time. He just needs to play good defense and a little bit of offense like Rodman does in his prime if Ben wanted to really Help the Nets win some games in the playoffs. This is not the right time to regain himself and made a comeback by forcing some shots, he needs to know his position and role so that they can even pass the first round if he wants to.
He can use his speed defending scorers. I like this kid way back in sixers he have that competitive mentality
taking scorers to try limiting their productions.
He can do that again during his stay, he can be like Kukoc when he played with Pippen and Jordan, he can take
some shots but more on adjusting to his defensive capabilities. He mostly needed on that part.
That's the reason why I like him and recognize him as a good player as well cause even though in offensive time he can not compete to other players but still he has a teammates to do it with him and when we say defensive skills they have similarities between to rodman very good skills in defense he can handle and pressure his opponent while handling the ball.
He is already playing great when he is still in the Philadelphia 76ers but he had a huge ego even if it was just a small deal fight and he even chose to leave his teammates hanging when they needed him the most and that's not good. I'm seeing that reasons that the Nets won't be so reliant to him as he already have that history with him. Yes, he may not be good at offensive but it's still not too late for him to work himself out and his talent in the defensive side could be very helpful in the team.
To be honest, Ben needs to give his best here since all eyes are on him when he will gonna play for the Brooklyn Nets for the first time. He just needs to play good defense and a little bit of offense like Rodman does in his prime if Ben wanted to really Help the Nets win some games in the playoffs. This is not the right time to regain himself and made a comeback by forcing some shots, he needs to know his position and role so that they can even pass the first round if he wants to.
It's true that having Ben Simmons is a risky move to them especially if he's actually going to play in the playoffs and not in the regular season where his skills in the team or he will be fit or not should be tested first. However, they haven't much of a choice now if they want to be the champion this season because they are really vulnerable in their defense and having Simmons can somehow provide that role. If indeed Simmons will fit in their system then that would really advance them and help the present duo.
By the way, I recently saw a video in which Ben Simmons airballed a few free throws during the Nets practice, and it means that he is still far from his former playing shape. Honestly, I even doubt that Simmons might be helpful for his new teammates even if he is fully healthy during the playoff series.
That's already not new because he's been struggling to do that even before the issue and it's not his best asset that's why 76ers kept him before they traded him for James Harden. He can adjust his shooting skills in the summer league or even before that but now is not the right time to experiment if he can still shoot or not especially if it's really needed. What he can do for now to help the Nets is his defensive mindset because that's what they lack, that's why they're still losing even though Durant and Irving contributed big points for the team.
Who knows things will be change when he is on nets especially if he get proper support to his teammates and his coaches then he will got huge confidence to shot more better than when he is on sixers, But I believe Nets will not get a problem in that area since they already have quality shooters on their team and most provably they need Simmons defensive presence and passing to make their team more better.
He is already playing great when he is still in the Philadelphia 76ers but he had a huge ego even if it was just a small deal fight and he even chose to leave his teammates hanging when they needed him the most and that's not good. I'm seeing that reasons that the Nets won't be so reliant to him as he already have that history with him. Yes, he may not be good at offensive but it's still not too late for him to work himself out and his talent in the defensive side could be very helpful in the team.
It's true that having Ben Simmons is a risky move to them especially if he's actually going to play in the playoffs and not in the regular season where his skills in the team or he will be fit or not should be tested first. However, they haven't much of a choice now if they want to be the champion this season because they are really vulnerable in their defense and having Simmons can somehow provide that role. If indeed Simmons will fit in their system then that would really advance them and help the present duo.
By the way, I recently saw a video in which Ben Simmons airballed a few free throws during the Nets practice, and it means that he is still far from his former playing shape. Honestly, I even doubt that Simmons might be helpful for his new teammates even if he is fully healthy during the playoff series.
That's already not new because he's been struggling to do that even before the issue and it's not his best asset that's why 76ers kept him before they traded him for James Harden. He can adjust his shooting skills in the summer league or even before that but now is not the right time to experiment if he can still shoot or not especially if it's really needed. What he can do for now to help the Nets is his defensive mindset because that's what they lack, that's why they're still losing even though Durant and Irving contributed big points for the team.
Who knows things will be change when he is on nets especially if he get proper support to his teammates and his coaches then he will got huge confidence to shot more better than when he is on sixers, But I believe Nets will not get a problem in that area since they already have quality shooters on their team and most provably they need Simmons defensive presence and passing to make their team more better.
^^ Yes your are correct, the last time I checked, (about a month ago), Embiid was all over the MVP race and he is the odds favorite.
But recently, Jokic and Giannis is doing good numbers statistically and bringing their team to a win why the Sixers, even with Harden is losing games right now. But for sure it will be a close fight for the MVP between the 3.
Gobert was interviewed and said if it was making the team better it was all Nikola Jokic. He approves about him being MVP which I think is right. It's the value of a player that matter and he had been lifting the Nuggets when Murray and MPJ was injured. They have Gordon yes, but the Joker had always been the center of their everything. He even made a new record that was not done since the start of the league. That should be a big plus to consider if ever the voting system will have the higher percentage to win. But recently, Jokic and Giannis is doing good numbers statistically and bringing their team to a win why the Sixers, even with Harden is losing games right now. But for sure it will be a close fight for the MVP between the 3.
It's true that having Ben Simmons is a risky move to them especially if he's actually going to play in the playoffs and not in the regular season where his skills in the team or he will be fit or not should be tested first. However, they haven't much of a choice now if they want to be the champion this season because they are really vulnerable in their defense and having Simmons can somehow provide that role. If indeed Simmons will fit in their system then that would really advance them and help the present duo.
By the way, I recently saw a video in which Ben Simmons airballed a few free throws during the Nets practice, and it means that he is still far from his former playing shape. Honestly, I even doubt that Simmons might be helpful for his new teammates even if he is fully healthy during the playoff series.
That's already not new because he's been struggling to do that even before the issue and it's not his best asset that's why 76ers kept him before they traded him for James Harden. He can adjust his shooting skills in the summer league or even before that but now is not the right time to experiment if he can still shoot or not especially if it's really needed. What he can do for now to help the Nets is his defensive mindset because that's what they lack, that's why they're still losing even though Durant and Irving contributed big points for the team.
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Jokic's performance is one of the best we've seen in years. This guy is a true star player and I don't think there is a better candidate to be MVP. I really like what he does, I wonder if he will stay with the Nuggets next year.
I think this player deserves to be champion, I would like to see him in a better team
There was Embiid who is doing well this season but Jokic is just too good because he provides consistency and the team's ranking is going up despite they are missing Murray and Porter Jr. I think this player deserves to be champion, I would like to see him in a better team
As we can read in this article.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-betting-nikola-jokic-is-now-massive-mvp-favorite-180117990.html
It says that he is already a massive favorite to win the award this season, he is now -275 favorite to win.
Jokic on the other hand though also gets numbers that aren't that high but his impact with the team is higher than Embiid.
Jokic is like Mr. Everything. He can shoot, he can pass, he can rebound, he can be a point center of the Nuggets and many already thought that the Nuggets aren't going to be a playoff team because Murray and MPJ are out but they are because of him. They are now at the 6th with a chance to go 5th. He deserves a back to back MVP title.
^^ Yes your are correct, the last time I checked, (about a month ago), Embiid was all over the MVP race and he is the odds favorite.
But recently, Jokic and Giannis is doing good numbers statistically and bringing their team to a win why the Sixers, even with Harden is losing games right now. But for sure it will be a close fight for the MVP between the 3.
But recently, Jokic and Giannis is doing good numbers statistically and bringing their team to a win why the Sixers, even with Harden is losing games right now. But for sure it will be a close fight for the MVP between the 3.
Jokic's performance is one of the best we've seen in years. This guy is a true star player and I don't think there is a better candidate to be MVP. I really like what he does, I wonder if he will stay with the Nuggets next year.
I think this player deserves to be champion, I would like to see him in a better team
There was Embiid who is doing well this season but Jokic is just too good because he provides consistency and the team's ranking is going up despite they are missing Murray and Porter Jr. I think this player deserves to be champion, I would like to see him in a better team
As we can read in this article.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-betting-nikola-jokic-is-now-massive-mvp-favorite-180117990.html
It says that he is already a massive favorite to win the award this season, he is now -275 favorite to win.
We already knew the Golden State Warriors would beat the Lakers, but Talen Horton-Tucker's performance with the Lakers surprised me. He scored 40 points in this game and I think he showed that he is one of the players who will make the most of his name in the future.
If he works a little harder and has 1-2 more good players next to him, this young player's star can shine, I think he has potential
He was not able to show his true potential because the Lakers already have the big 3 that is expected to produce for the team. Look how the other players are playing with the big 3 are absent, they still play well despite because undermanned and that's what the Laker's management failed to utilize. If he works a little harder and has 1-2 more good players next to him, this young player's star can shine, I think he has potential
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