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November 29, 2021, 07:50:00 PM
Bad losing streak for Jokic's team but I read he's been cleared to play again. It would be great to see the emotions fkying again but too bad that Morris is ruled out in this game hehe. Who you got? Nuggets have been winning against the Heat lately but my money is on the home team.
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November 29, 2021, 07:34:19 PM
But he blend well with the Wizards last year with Bradley Beal and lead them to their first playoff in years.

But I do agree that Westbrook games suffered a lot when he moves in Lakers this year. I'm not sure what is the reason, maybe he is no longer in his prime because he is missing a lot of shots and usually when he drives to the basket, it's automatic 2. But now he is being strip before he can take off, or missed badly. Maybe his vertical leap is no longer there, but it seems a different Russ now.

It's indeed a different Russ we're seeing now, I guess that could be as a result of not being the go to guy anymore, he was brought to the Lakers to complement an already good team, not because he was a missing piece and the need to adjust his game to be able to play together with AD and James might have taken a toll on him too, but I expect him to get better as the season progresses further.

I agree to a certain extend, but we already have 20 games already and they are barely above the .500 mark, so I would say it's kinda disappointing and I don't know if they can still progresses even further with the current lineup. And Vogel has been tweaking a lot with young players like THT giving him more time, and yet the outcome seems to be not there.
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November 29, 2021, 07:01:04 PM
But he blend well with the Wizards last year with Bradley Beal and lead them to their first playoff in years.

But I do agree that Westbrook games suffered a lot when he moves in Lakers this year. I'm not sure what is the reason, maybe he is no longer in his prime because he is missing a lot of shots and usually when he drives to the basket, it's automatic 2. But now he is being strip before he can take off, or missed badly. Maybe his vertical leap is no longer there, but it seems a different Russ now.

It's indeed a different Russ we're seeing now, I guess that could be as a result of not being the go to guy anymore, he was brought to the Lakers to complement an already good team, not because he was a missing piece and the need to adjust his game to be able to play together with AD and James might have taken a toll on him too, but I expect him to get better as the season progresses further.
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November 29, 2021, 06:54:55 PM
It's a badly put together group of aging all-stars, that's why.

No. That's not the point. It's just that those aging All-Stars in the Lakers are seemed not to fit. But we are not talking about Lakers are really at the bottom. They are winning. They are competing. They are doing not their best, but they trying.

Although when we take this discussion to the chance of being a championship this season, they are still far from being a competitor but always possible to be included on the competitive list.
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November 29, 2021, 06:37:27 PM
The Lakers built a super team with Nash, KB, Metta World Peace, Gasol and Howard, almost the entire team was all star player at that time.
They put together this super team to be able to beat the great Miami Heat trio at that time (LeBron, Wade and Bosh) and at the end of the story, if I'm not mistaken, the Lakers didn't even manage to qualify for the playoffs. It was a sad thing.

Lakers are far from being superteam when they built that lineup. Nash is already out of his prime. Kobe is suffering injuries. MWP, Gasol, and Howard are also not on their monster stats anymore. That era was on Miami Heat. Since the last championship in 2010 and Dallas sweeping them in the playoffs in 2011, the Lakers are already out of the championship discussion.
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November 29, 2021, 06:28:32 PM
Terrible news for Denver fans. Michael Porter Jr is having season ending back surgery. I was saying a few weeks ago this was going to be his breakout season, but much like his career so far, that will be ended by injury. A shame. Michael Porter Jr probably could have been a top 3 NBA player had he stayed healthy, but at this point it’s beginning to look like that day will never come.

Yeah wow that is terrible.  Snake bit again.  If they had a full healthy squad together they'd be one of the favorites to comtend.  Was this the same injury he had when he was at Missouri?  Shame injuries kill great careers, lots of luck to stay consistently healthy in these high impact sports.
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November 29, 2021, 05:58:33 PM
But he blend well with the Wizards last year with Bradley Beal and lead them to their first playoff in years.

But I do agree that Westbrook games suffered a lot when he moves in Lakers this year. I'm not sure what is the reason, maybe he is no longer in his prime because he is missing a lot of shots and usually when he drives to the basket, it's automatic 2. But now he is being strip before he can take off, or missed badly. Maybe his vertical leap is no longer there, but it seems a different Russ now.
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November 29, 2021, 05:31:54 PM
It's a badly put together group of aging all-stars, that's why.

Maybe 5 years ago if you assembled the same team it would be considered a super-team, but pretty much everyone involved (apart from AD) are way past their primes.

If you need Carmelo to be carrying your team when LBJ is away... You're in deep trouble.
That's a good topic we can debate.

I believe that this season's Lakers team is something similar to the 12-13 roster (if I'm not mistaken).

The Lakers built a super team with Nash, KB, Metta World Peace, Gasol and Howard, almost the entire team was all star player at that time.
They put together this super team to be able to beat the great Miami Heat trio at that time (LeBron, Wade and Bosh) and at the end of the story, if I'm not mistaken, the Lakers didn't even manage to qualify for the playoffs. It was a sad thing.

I don't know if this season's team can be compared to that, but with the level of the players they were definitely meant to be top of the western conference.
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November 29, 2021, 05:08:41 PM
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Regarding the Lakers, honestly I don't know what's going on, LeBron, AD, Westbrook, DeAndre Jordan, Melo and others players, with this roster, LAL was supposed to be "a monster" and all the other teams were afraid to play against them. But unfortunately I don't see it, I don't see so much chemistry or introverted with players.
In my humble opinion, I believe LJ could stand out more, AD I also think his performance is underwhelming and a player I thought could be a key player for the Lakers, Deandre Jordan, I realize he's not. having that old-time performance!

It's a badly put together group of aging all-stars, that's why.

Maybe 5 years ago if you assembled the same team it would be considered a super-team, but pretty much everyone involved (apart from AD) are way past their primes.
That would not happen 5 years ago as Lebron could not afford the players who are still at their prime.
It's their first season together, lots of changes in the team so we should understand the struggle, besides, the season is still ongoing, it's still early so they can still continue working to do the right blend. Just be optimistic, they'll figure it out eventually, believe me.

If you need Carmelo to be carrying your team when LBJ is away... You're in deep trouble.
Why would you need Carmelo if the team has Westbrook who is an All-Star and previously won an MVP and a Triple double machine?

They've had 20 games and they're exactly .500. If that's not a disappointment I don't know what is.

Westbrook is as inefficient of a scorer as they come, sir. He's proven time and time again in the playoffs that he is not to be relied on as a primary option.

What happens when LBJ goes down? Are you counting on Westbrook to post them to the finals? I wouldn't be optimistic.

Don't forget Davis, he can also lead the team. Westbrook has never played in this kind of team before because he usually leads a team, not follow a leader. Probably this is the worst season of Westbrook but people will forget that if they will get into the NBA Finals, so they better keep grinding to win and be consistent.
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November 29, 2021, 05:06:45 PM
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Regarding the Lakers, honestly I don't know what's going on, LeBron, AD, Westbrook, DeAndre Jordan, Melo and others players, with this roster, LAL was supposed to be "a monster" and all the other teams were afraid to play against them. But unfortunately I don't see it, I don't see so much chemistry or introverted with players.
In my humble opinion, I believe LJ could stand out more, AD I also think his performance is underwhelming and a player I thought could be a key player for the Lakers, Deandre Jordan, I realize he's not. having that old-time performance!

It's a badly put together group of aging all-stars, that's why.

Maybe 5 years ago if you assembled the same team it would be considered a super-team, but pretty much everyone involved (apart from AD) are way past their primes.

If you need Carmelo to be carrying your team when LBJ is away... You're in deep trouble.
I agree that it was badly put aging team, that's true no one can deny it. But maybe they are banking that this players are going to be still a good support to LBJ. Even if LBJ is away, they can still play day in day out an produce some wins. And it was very close, there are games that they could have get that W, maybe it they didn't struggle shooting or commit a lot of turnovers.

I guess still boils down to LBJ carrying the Lakers team, but problem is that he is also no longer in his prime so there could be games that he will missed or he will played inconsistent.
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November 29, 2021, 05:02:35 PM
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Regarding the Lakers, honestly I don't know what's going on, LeBron, AD, Westbrook, DeAndre Jordan, Melo and others players, with this roster, LAL was supposed to be "a monster" and all the other teams were afraid to play against them. But unfortunately I don't see it, I don't see so much chemistry or introverted with players.
In my humble opinion, I believe LJ could stand out more, AD I also think his performance is underwhelming and a player I thought could be a key player for the Lakers, Deandre Jordan, I realize he's not. having that old-time performance!

It's a badly put together group of aging all-stars, that's why.

Maybe 5 years ago if you assembled the same team it would be considered a super-team, but pretty much everyone involved (apart from AD) are way past their primes.
That would not happen 5 years ago as Lebron could not afford the players who are still at their prime.
It's their first season together, lots of changes in the team so we should understand the struggle, besides, the season is still ongoing, it's still early so they can still continue working to do the right blend. Just be optimistic, they'll figure it out eventually, believe me.

If you need Carmelo to be carrying your team when LBJ is away... You're in deep trouble.
Why would you need Carmelo if the team has Westbrook who is an All-Star and previously won an MVP and a Triple double machine?

They've had 20 games and they're exactly .500. If that's not a disappointment I don't know what is.

Westbrook is as inefficient of a scorer as they come, sir. He's proven time and time again in the playoffs that he is not to be relied on as a primary option.

What happens when LBJ goes down? Are you counting on Westbrook to post them to the finals? I wouldn't be optimistic.
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November 29, 2021, 04:54:14 PM
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Regarding the Lakers, honestly I don't know what's going on, LeBron, AD, Westbrook, DeAndre Jordan, Melo and others players, with this roster, LAL was supposed to be "a monster" and all the other teams were afraid to play against them. But unfortunately I don't see it, I don't see so much chemistry or introverted with players.
In my humble opinion, I believe LJ could stand out more, AD I also think his performance is underwhelming and a player I thought could be a key player for the Lakers, Deandre Jordan, I realize he's not. having that old-time performance!

It's a badly put together group of aging all-stars, that's why.

Maybe 5 years ago if you assembled the same team it would be considered a super-team, but pretty much everyone involved (apart from AD) are way past their primes.
That would not happen 5 years ago as Lebron could not afford the players who are still at their prime.
It's their first season together, lots of changes in the team so we should understand the struggle, besides, the season is still ongoing, it's still early so they can still continue working to do the right blend. Just be optimistic, they'll figure it out eventually, believe me.

If you need Carmelo to be carrying your team when LBJ is away... You're in deep trouble.
Why would you need Carmelo if the team has Westbrook who is an All-Star and previously won an MVP and a Triple double machine?
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November 29, 2021, 04:38:31 PM
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Regarding the Lakers, honestly I don't know what's going on, LeBron, AD, Westbrook, DeAndre Jordan, Melo and others players, with this roster, LAL was supposed to be "a monster" and all the other teams were afraid to play against them. But unfortunately I don't see it, I don't see so much chemistry or introverted with players.
In my humble opinion, I believe LJ could stand out more, AD I also think his performance is underwhelming and a player I thought could be a key player for the Lakers, Deandre Jordan, I realize he's not. having that old-time performance!

It's a badly put together group of aging all-stars, that's why.

Maybe 5 years ago if you assembled the same team it would be considered a super-team, but pretty much everyone involved (apart from AD) are way past their primes.

If you need Carmelo to be carrying your team when LBJ is away... You're in deep trouble.
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November 29, 2021, 04:14:24 PM
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Hmm, these are some interesting points!

Well, I confess I'm surprised with the Suns' performance, I would never imagine that. I don't know, but I believe that in the Suns vs Warriors game, Phoenix will need to play really well to beat GSW.
I'm so excited to watch this game!

Regarding the Lakers, honestly I don't know what's going on, LeBron, AD, Westbrook, DeAndre Jordan, Melo and others players, with this roster, LAL was supposed to be "a monster" and all the other teams were afraid to play against them. But unfortunately I don't see it, I don't see so much chemistry or introverted with players.
In my humble opinion, I believe LJ could stand out more, AD I also think his performance is underwhelming and a player I thought could be a key player for the Lakers, Deandre Jordan, I realize he's not. having that old-time performance!

Anyway, I hope that with the passing of the regular season the Lakers will be able to get back on their feet and get a place to play in this season's playoffs!
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November 29, 2021, 03:44:14 PM
The Warriors are really an unstoppable force.

Steph is playing out of his mind and making everyone around him so much better than they otherwise would be.

Wiggins has found a new life to revive his #1 pick career, and Jordan Poole seems like Michael Jordan out there. They are a serious contender.
So far when Wiggins played at wolves he was seen as a player who would be either first choice or ball handler or at worst second choice, and that put a lot of pressure on him. When he came to Warriors that changed, why? Because they have Curry and that means Curry attracts all the attention from the defense and that causes Wiggins to be a bit more open and he is good enough to be a star when he is not defended too carefully.

This is the reason why he got a lot better, not because his talents suddenly became better, but because for the first time in his career he is playing with someone who is attracting defenders around him and that means Wiggins could showcase his talents a lot better.

Wiggins doesn't have a good season right away with the Warriors, he needed time to adjust and blend with the chemistry of the team, and the time passed by, he was able to build good chemistry with the team and we are now seeing the results, so it's not really that Wiggins is the problem but probably the coaches of his previous teams.

Now that he is doing better, he could be more confident not to get traded and assures a renewal of contract once its current contract will expire.

There's no big difference in his stats if we look at https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wiggian01.html.

However, the impact of his contribution is more evident this season as the Warriors has become the number 1 team in the NBA again, so we can appreciate his effort and most especially the management and coaching staff of the Warriors for creating a positive working relationship with the players making them show their true potential. Who would expect Poole to be so great this season? If not with the Warriors, we will not see he is a deadly shooter as well.
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November 29, 2021, 03:08:45 PM
The Warriors are really an unstoppable force.

Steph is playing out of his mind and making everyone around him so much better than they otherwise would be.

Wiggins has found a new life to revive his #1 pick career, and Jordan Poole seems like Michael Jordan out there. They are a serious contender.
So far when Wiggins played at wolves he was seen as a player who would be either first choice or ball handler or at worst second choice, and that put a lot of pressure on him. When he came to Warriors that changed, why? Because they have Curry and that means Curry attracts all the attention from the defense and that causes Wiggins to be a bit more open and he is good enough to be a star when he is not defended too carefully.

This is the reason why he got a lot better, not because his talents suddenly became better, but because for the first time in his career he is playing with someone who is attracting defenders around him and that means Wiggins could showcase his talents a lot better.

Wiggins doesn't have a good season right away with the Warriors, he needed time to adjust and blend with the chemistry of the team, and the time passed by, he was able to build good chemistry with the team and we are now seeing the results, so it's not really that Wiggins is the problem but probably the coaches of his previous teams.

Now that he is doing better, he could be more confident not to get traded and assures a renewal of contract once its current contract will expire.
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November 29, 2021, 03:04:17 PM
The Warriors are really an unstoppable force.

Steph is playing out of his mind and making everyone around him so much better than they otherwise would be.

Wiggins has found a new life to revive his #1 pick career, and Jordan Poole seems like Michael Jordan out there. They are a serious contender.
So far when Wiggins played at wolves he was seen as a player who would be either first choice or ball handler or at worst second choice, and that put a lot of pressure on him. When he came to Warriors that changed, why? Because they have Curry and that means Curry attracts all the attention from the defense and that causes Wiggins to be a bit more open and he is good enough to be a star when he is not defended too carefully.

This is the reason why he got a lot better, not because his talents suddenly became better, but because for the first time in his career he is playing with someone who is attracting defenders around him and that means Wiggins could showcase his talents a lot better.
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November 29, 2021, 03:03:56 PM
Terrible news for Denver fans. Michael Porter Jr is having season ending back surgery. I was saying a few weeks ago this was going to be his breakout season, but much like his career so far, that will be ended by injury. A shame. Michael Porter Jr probably could have been a top 3 NBA player had he stayed healthy, but at this point it’s beginning to look like that day will never come.
I feel bad for him, maybe that was the reason for his struggle this season. Anyway, I hope he will be able to come back strong because I believe he is still young and he can do that, it's also painful for the Denver Nuggets because he was just extended with a huge contract this year and that happened.
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November 29, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
Terrible news for Denver fans. Michael Porter Jr is having season ending back surgery. I was saying a few weeks ago this was going to be his breakout season, but much like his career so far, that will be ended by injury. A shame. Michael Porter Jr probably could have been a top 3 NBA player had he stayed healthy, but at this point it’s beginning to look like that day will never come.
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November 29, 2021, 12:55:19 PM
Low scoring game for Pistons vs. Clippers so far but LAC is already ahead by 20 points with under 5 minute remaining. I don't think Pistons can still turn that around as I don't anyone exploding to help them close the gap. Good to see distribution of points on the Clippers side.

Clips at ho.e are just too much for a team like the Pistons.  Big game tonight for the Knicks.  They have been shaky at home and a good Suns team coming into town.  A win here will go a long way for their confidence that they are a top tier team in the East.  They need a good win streak here.  Go knicks!

Knicks looked like complete trash last night.  I'm glad thibs finally let q grimes off the bench tonight.  The kid plays phenomenal defense for a rookie.  They need to start prioritizing defense again, they aren't an offensive powerhouse and can't rely on outscoring opponents.  Back to back on the road now against the Hawks tonight.  Could be in for an ugly game, gut check time for the Knicks.  They need this.

Big win for the Knicks Saturday night in Atlanta.  Knicks locked them down on defense and the young plays (IQ, obi, grimes) looked good.  Concerning how Randall can't seem to get his act together against them.  Could be trouble if the Knicks end up having to play them in the playoffs again. Think the next game against Atlanta is Christmas day.
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