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Quote from: Pamadar on September 17, 2021, 10:10:33 AM

That's a big problem in case the process of trade between these two team proceed. But I doubt Sixers will gamble to that since Embiid is really important to them, they will try to convince Simmons to play one more season instead of having any problem with Embiid if Irving paired with him.

I think that trade is not possible to happen. Irving will stay and play with the Nets for the next season. He is just creating drams like before.

Moving forward to Sixers, it's no secret plan already that Simmons will be traded in the future instead of Joel Embiid. Prior the start of Season 2020-21, Sixers made it clear (I'm sure I read it elsewhere and share it here) that it was the season we might see the final Simmons-Embiid duo.

Still no news for the future of Ben Simmons but I'm sure he will play at the different jersey next season.

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That's one great example why the Nets should trade him, antics like that outside the court and then the Nike shoe comment. If it's not going to be healthy for his team mates, specially Durant and Harden then he should let go of him. Again, for me Durant + Harden could be enough to bring the Nets to the championship stage. They can't totally rely on Irving now, trade him for other good PG and then some players.

They can't just trade Kyrie Irving. He still has 2 years left in the contract that amounting to a decent value.

In the upcoming season, as per my research on the web, Irving will earn a base salary of $34,916,200 and an incentive bonus of $412,500. No teams will afford to risk that amount for Kyrie now.

The best thing to do for the Nets is, if they can still tolerate him, wait for next season as Irving will have his player option. It's good to decide coming from Irving itself that he won't play for the Nets.

The problem with that is if they let him play for them this year he will not only be a distraction, but he’s gonna leave anyway since there’s bad blood now. So they trade him now, or lose one of their top assets for nothing. I’d say fuck it and trade him if I owned the team. Let him retire. NBA owners need to stop letting these millionaires take advantage of them. Kyrie signed a deal without a trade clause. Teach him a lesson. It’s a business…

That's a hard lesson for Irving, and I think it's not likely to happen as business owners do take care of every single value they invest for a player to make the team better. But anyway, I still love to see that and I hope the owner has the balls to make such kind of action and accept the loss for the remaining years Irving will not play for the team.

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Quote from: TravelMug on September 17, 2021, 12:09:00 AM

That's one great example why the Nets should trade him, antics like that outside the court and then the Nike shoe comment. If it's not going to be healthy for his team mates, specially Durant and Harden then he should let go of him. Again, for me Durant + Harden could be enough to bring the Nets to the championship stage. They can't totally rely on Irving now, trade him for other good PG and then some players.

They can't just trade Kyrie Irving. He still has 2 years left in the contract that amounting to a decent value.

In the upcoming season, as per my research on the web, Irving will earn a base salary of $34,916,200 and an incentive bonus of $412,500. No teams will afford to risk that amount for Kyrie now.

The best thing to do for the Nets is, if they can still tolerate him, wait for next season as Irving will have his player option. It's good to decide coming from Irving itself that he won't play for the Nets.

The problem with that is if they let him play for them this year he will not only be a distraction, but he’s gonna leave anyway since there’s bad blood now. So they trade him now, or lose one of their top assets for nothing. I’d say fuck it and trade him if I owned the team. Let him retire. NBA owners need to stop letting these millionaires take advantage of them. Kyrie signed a deal without a trade clause. Teach him a lesson. It’s a business…

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Quote from: Pamadar on September 17, 2021, 10:10:33 AM

Quote from: Vaculin on September 17, 2021, 07:26:24 AM

Kyrie will retire if he gets traded, lol
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/09/16/report-kyrie-irvings-agents-saying-irving-would-retire-if-nets-trade-him/
I think Kyrie should just let this go if the two teams will agree on it.
The nets already have Durant and Harden which could score all night, and adding Simmons in the lineup will improve their defensive presence, the only problem I see is with the 76ers as I heard both Irving and Embiid doesn't have a good attitude being a teammate,

That's a big problem in case the process of trade between these two team proceed. But I doubt Sixers will gamble to that since Embiid is really important to them, they will try to convince Simmons to play one more season instead of having any problem with Embiid if Irving paired with him.

I think Kyrie just said that out of anger or frustration or might be just to seek some attention. He'll be just fine in my opinion.
Well at this point I just think nets are just kind of stacking their team. They have some prolific scorers as you said as Durant, Harden, and Simmons can obviously be really helpful on defense. But it would be interesting to see their chemistry. Speaking of chemistry, Irving and Embiid can cause a lot of serious problems on the court if they continue to behave like that. I mean the opposing coaches and players are not stupid. They will obviously try to take advantage of it.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 17, 2021, 06:46:06 AM

So next to Ben Simmons drama, now we have the Kryrie saga as well.

These two have different situations, Kyrie was disliked because of his attitude, but the way he played, he is really good. On the other hand, we have Simmons who is disliked by the management because he choked in the playoffs, Irving does not choke, Harden and Lebron even choke better.

Even irvings play has changed during this period, not that he became a bad player but he is not as good as he used to be and that plays into this situation as well. If this was the Irving from 5-10 years ago, during 2012 or so or 2013 to 2016-17 dude was a beast but nowadays I do not think that he is THAT good anymore. Don't get me wrong, his stats looks amazing when you check it on paper, but he doesn't play the team ball required to play with other 2 stars, like Durant learned that while he was playing at Warriors and now happy to share the ball if he has to, and happy to shoot whenever he needs to, and Harden has been one of the best passers in the league for a while and still score a lot.

Kyrie is not like that, not only he shoots more than he should in many occasions that he shouldn't, but also he changes the game style whenever he wants to and putting his teammates in a tough spot, his defense is getting worse as well.

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Quote from: Vaculin on September 17, 2021, 07:26:24 AM

Kyrie will retire if he gets traded, lol
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/09/16/report-kyrie-irvings-agents-saying-irving-would-retire-if-nets-trade-him/

I think Kyrie should just let this go if the two teams will agree on it.
The nets already have Durant and Harden which could score all night, and adding Simmons in the lineup will improve their defensive presence, the only problem I see is with the 76ers as I heard both Irving and Embiid doesn't have a good attitude being a teammate,

That's a big problem in case the process of trade between these two team proceed. But I doubt Sixers will gamble to that since Embiid is really important to them, they will try to convince Simmons to play one more season instead of having any problem with Embiid if Irving paired with him.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on September 17, 2021, 05:43:28 AM

We know that he is an all-star but his attitudes?? We don't need attitudes like that in the league (at least for me).

It's done by voting, once you have good stats and you entered into voting, you might probably be chosen to be in the all-star game, this is what happen with Irving. Also, we can't blame people voting for him as the majority of the fans do not know news about the player's attitude or anything related to that which is not a big deal for most of us.

If the player plays well, he gets fans, that's how it works.

He sells his talent and there's no doubt that he really has it all and fans really love how he showcases everything.

In terms of attitude, fans don't have any deeper knowledge about that they only saw Irving played, and that's all they need to
Idolized him. Only those near him and the management who's paying him who really been affected by this attitude issues.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on September 17, 2021, 05:43:28 AM

We know that he is an all-star but his attitudes?? We don't need attitudes like that in the league (at least for me).

It's done by voting, once you have good stats and you entered into voting, you might probably be chosen to be in the all-star game, this is what happen with Irving. Also, we can't blame people voting for him as the majority of the fans do not know news about the player's attitude or anything related to that which is not a big deal for most of us.

If the player plays well, he gets fans, that's how it works.

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Quote from: Botnake on September 17, 2021, 06:59:23 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 17, 2021, 06:46:06 AM

So next to Ben Simmons drama, now we have the Kryrie saga as well.

These two have different situations, Kyrie was disliked because of his attitude, but the way he played, he is really good. On the other hand, we have Simmons who is disliked by the management because he choked in the playoffs, Irving does not choke, Harden and Lebron even choke better.

Kyrie will retire if he gets traded, lol
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/09/16/report-kyrie-irvings-agents-saying-irving-would-retire-if-nets-trade-him/

I think Kyrie should just let this go if the two teams will agree on it.
The nets already have Durant and Harden which could score all night, and adding Simmons in the lineup will improve their defensive presence, the only problem I see is with the 76ers as I heard both Irving and Embiid doesn't have a good attitude being a teammate,

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 17, 2021, 06:46:06 AM

So next to Ben Simmons drama, now we have the Kryrie saga as well.

These two have different situations, Kyrie was disliked because of his attitude, but the way he played, he is really good. On the other hand, we have Simmons who is disliked by the management because he choked in the playoffs, Irving does not choke, Harden and Lebron even choke better.

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Quote from: Questat on September 16, 2021, 03:27:37 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 16, 2021, 12:08:40 PM

There's a lot of rumors that Irving is really a big problem with the Nets management. Early this year, he broke a safety protocol implemented by the NBA, and then Kyrie become estrange with his team mates and his coach. And it seems that Kyrie is not a communicator, or at least not opening up with the management and his team itself. I still remember Nash defending him, when being ask when is Kyrie going to play. And this childish act:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR8AlpFrM6Q

Stepping on the Boston Celtics logo, Lol.

I saw that particular game after they beat the Celtics, that's a big disrespect on the team that gives him a chance to play and lead the team. It's just that his attitude would never please a team and I think he doesn't like to play with other star players along as he wants the focus to be on him. Kyrie stepping on the Celtics logo is something, I read in the comments on the video clip you shared and it's hilarious because it's true.

Lol, I didn't saw that, but somewhat it is true, Kyrie has some anger management to deal with.

Maybe there's already a drama in the locker room but it is kept secret by Nash and the team members. But I think he is a big part why Durant join the Nets because of Kyrie, if he is going to be traded then maybe Durant will opt too. So next to Ben Simmons drama, now we have the Kryrie saga as well.

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Quote from: Yogee on September 16, 2021, 10:03:28 AM

Nets should just pull the trigger to end this quickly if they really want him out but it sounds stupid to let Irving go at this point when the league is about to start. They should know by now the importance of a deep roster since they were eliminated last season because of injuries.

The only problem with this team only is the injuries and probably the inexperienced coach. Now another problem has added and its Kyrie Cheesy

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Letting Kyrie stay in the Nets might be a double edged sword for the team. Kyrie might still help the team if he wants to or on the other side, he will not play the way he wanted to be because he wants to get traded.

He is only 29 years old and he is at the middle of his prime. He can still play at least 8-9 years and yet he is saying about retirement. Maybe he is just saying it just to grab more attention but for sure he will not do it. He is still an all-star player but injuries limits him to be at his best. When he has an opportunity to win last season, he got injured and they eliminated. Now they got another opportunity and he is thinking about being traded. An egoistic player that isn't deserve to be in the NBA TBH. We know that he is an all-star but his attitudes?? We don't need attitudes like that in the league (at least for me).

Kyrie is undoubtedly good, if he was not injured during the ECF, the nets could have easily dominated the Bucks and play the Suns in the Finals, which I think will easily beat the Suns as the big 3 of the Nets is too much for the Suns' players. Irving probably have an attitude problem, the team has to discipline him and they should let him feel that it's not him who will be followed, it's always the management decision.

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Quote from: Yogee on September 16, 2021, 10:03:28 AM

Nets should just pull the trigger to end this quickly if they really want him out but it sounds stupid to let Irving go at this point when the league is about to start. They should know by now the importance of a deep roster since they were eliminated last season because of injuries.

The only problem with this team only is the injuries and probably the inexperienced coach. Now another problem has added and its Kyrie Cheesy

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Letting Kyrie stay in the Nets might be a double edged sword for the team. Kyrie might still help the team if he wants to or on the other side, he will not play the way he wanted to be because he wants to get traded.

He is only 29 years old and he is at the middle of his prime. He can still play at least 8-9 years and yet he is saying about retirement. Maybe he is just saying it just to grab more attention but for sure he will not do it. He is still an all-star player but injuries limits him to be at his best. When he has an opportunity to win last season, he got injured and they eliminated. Now they got another opportunity and he is thinking about being traded. An egoistic player that isn't deserve to be in the NBA TBH. We know that he is an all-star but his attitudes?? We don't need attitudes like that in the league (at least for me).

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Quote from: stadus on September 16, 2021, 04:55:32 PM

Although Kyrie belongs to all stars of the NBA, it will harm his reputation if he gets traded from time to time, it only leaves one indication for those who understand, and that means he has an attitude problem that's why he would not fit in any team that values chemistry more than individual talents.

Good luck with his future, he is still young, he will get traded more unless he retires early, which is a bad idea as that's throwing money.

He's a great player and one of the best point guard in the NBA, but his attitude would slowly kill his career.
He left Cleveland in bad terms, and left Boston also with bad terms, he always have problem towards his teammates. I don't know what is the real problem with his attitude. He seems very obsessed to lead a team and become a leader on and off the court.
He's a great player but he can't carry a team. He might not win another ring If he don't team up with another superstar.
Safe enough to say that he's not gonna be a good leader, and will never lead a team.

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Quote from: TravelMug on September 17, 2021, 12:09:00 AM

That's one great example why the Nets should trade him, antics like that outside the court and then the Nike shoe comment. If it's not going to be healthy for his team mates, specially Durant and Harden then he should let go of him. Again, for me Durant + Harden could be enough to bring the Nets to the championship stage. They can't totally rely on Irving now, trade him for other good PG and then some players.

They can't just trade Kyrie Irving. He still has 2 years left in the contract that amounting to a decent value.

In the upcoming season, as per my research on the web, Irving will earn a base salary of $34,916,200 and an incentive bonus of $412,500. No teams will afford to risk that amount for Kyrie now.

The best thing to do for the Nets is, if they can still tolerate him, wait for next season as Irving will have his player option. It's good to decide coming from Irving itself that he won't play for the Nets.

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Quote from: OgNasty on September 17, 2021, 02:38:23 AM

I've never really thought of him as a guy with a temper. I think he's just extremely childish and vindictive. In his mind he thinks he's the one that built the Nets by talking KD into joining him there and he doesn't want to be left out of the run for the Finals. Do I think he'd really retire if traded? No. Maybe sit out a year and make someone call his bluff, but there's too much money on the table for him to walk away. I don't think he's obsessed with his stats either. That's more of a James Harden thing. On the floor, Kyrie is great. It's what he does outside of the lines that is a major distraction to his organization.

I strongly agree about Kyrie's greatness. He is one of the top players in the league and dangerous agility type pointguards with unpredictable moves.
It's a rare thing to happen in the league and we may not see another like him for a lot of years.
But the damage that he is doing whenever he leaves a team is something that is not easy to ignore. Upon arriving at Nets with KD he already thrown a lot of stone from his previous teams making them look bad at handling him. He may have the skill to boast but it's getting deep in his head.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on September 16, 2021, 07:17:36 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 16, 2021, 12:08:40 PM

There's a lot of rumors that Irving is really a big problem with the Nets management. Early this year, he broke a safety protocol implemented by the NBA, and then Kyrie become estrange with his team mates and his coach. And it seems that Kyrie is not a communicator, or at least not opening up with the management and his team itself.

It seems that Irving has a terrible temper if these rumors are true. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the Brooklyn Nets still have problems with mutual understanding on the court during next season, considering that Irving is more worried about his stats per game rather than team results.

I've never really thought of him as a guy with a temper. I think he's just extremely childish and vindictive. In his mind he thinks he's the one that built the Nets by talking KD into joining him there and he doesn't want to be left out of the run for the Finals. Do I think he'd really retire if traded? No. Maybe sit out a year and make someone call his bluff, but there's too much money on the table for him to walk away. I don't think he's obsessed with his stats either. That's more of a James Harden thing. On the floor, Kyrie is great. It's what he does outside of the lines that is a major distraction to his organization.

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Quote from: Dave1 on September 16, 2021, 07:35:51 PM

Yes, he has a foundation, so he is a philanthropist, but Irving could have some issues inside.

He has. And it's not a shortlist.
Last time he bombarded Lebron James with different bad claims in his podcast or KD's podcast if I remember correctly.
Then about the Nike shoe, then some behind the scenes even against his ex-team Boston Celtics.
I think he is not a healthy comrade and that is why he cannot become a franchise player. It's locker room issues that gets in the way and it may be players (teammates) that are asking to kick him out because of his attitude.
This ain't new anymore and he may become the first player to be signed on all NBA teams before he retires. Grin

That's one great example why the Nets should trade him, antics like that outside the court and then the Nike shoe comment. If it's not going to be healthy for his team mates, specially Durant and Harden then he should let go of him. Again, for me Durant + Harden could be enough to bring the Nets to the championship stage. They can't totally rely on Irving now, trade him for other good PG and then some players.

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Quote from: Dave1 on September 16, 2021, 07:35:51 PM

Yes, he has a foundation, so he is a philanthropist, but Irving could have some issues inside.

He has. And it's not a shortlist.
Last time he bombarded Lebron James with different bad claims in his podcast or KD's podcast if I remember correctly.
Then about the Nike shoe, then some behind the scenes even against his ex-team Boston Celtics.
I think he is not a healthy comrade and that is why he cannot become a franchise player. It's locker room issues that gets in the way and it may be players (teammates) that are asking to kick him out because of his attitude.
This ain't new anymore and he may become the first player to be signed on all NBA teams before he retires. Grin

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Quote from: doomloop on September 16, 2021, 12:46:58 PM

I would say that there is a good chance we could see him ousted from the league very soon, if he can't deal with Nets and become a better locker room person and actually provide something to the team, then he is going to be bought out and fired basically, some other teams will give it a chance but he would be way too out of control after that and he would be ousted from the league even though he could still play. No way any team would get a good player if he has a horrible personality, Kyrie is not MJ or Kobe, he needs to be at least decent.

Kyrie does really have an ego that can't handle by anybody, pride, and mostly self-decision without understanding the post-effects of what he did but that was a small reason just to be ousted from the league. Teams can trade him anytime, anywhere and the cycle just continues.

The league is getting good benefits from this Kyrie's drama as people will tend to follow that player especially every game. And Kyrie is no doubt one of the reasons why people came to watch live. His reputation is at stake but I see no way he will be kicked from the league.

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Quote from: OgNasty on September 15, 2021, 10:42:32 PM

Nice to see that Kyrie Irving is still his same toxic self. After a myriad of wild antics last year it seems the Nets have decided that they might want to move on from the diva guard. In response to the Nets showing an interest in trading Kyrie, his agent has come out and said publicly that Kyrie will retire before playing with another team, seeming to tank his trade value and force the Nets to keep him on the roster. Today Kyrie tweeted, My mask is off. Now take yours off. No fear. He then clarified that this had nothing to do with Covid. Assumingly, this is his response to the team's trade desire and him playing his "retirement" card.

He is a great player we all know that but his ego and his attitude destroys his reputation in the NBA. His sudden decisions like this is the one that is harming his career.
Now he created another drama regarding trading and retirement shit. I might agree that he will get traded but retired? I don't think so Cheesy

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I don't know if his attitude like that will be changed but if he will get traded to another team again, good luck to them because they will get a player who decides like crazy Cheesy

. A drama king. He is kind to other people though especially those in need

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Yes, he is a star player in NBA that's why he is egoistic, as much as we admire Irving inside the court, but this kind of attitude will alienate him from the rest of his team mates.

Not sure though if he can change for the better, I mean he is already solid with the Nets, good contract and good team mates and has a higher chance to win another ring. But he seems to be uncontrollable, that the management is willing to rid him off and traded.

Yes, he has a foundation, so he is a philanthropist, but Irving could have some issues inside.

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