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Quote from: Jating on September 18, 2021, 06:23:15 AM

It could be, but if Irving is going to be trade, for sure they will get a superstar that is willing to adjust or have the experience already. So there's no rebuilding stage, just some adjustments and they are good to go the finals and then hopefully the finals next season. So let's see what is the management decision, or maybe we will see a different version of Irving because he doesn't want to lose or be drop by a team that gives him a good multi million dollar salary and to work with two of the best offensive players we have right now.

Question is, what team would be interested in Irving?

The rumor is Simmons is interested, and I think it's good because they need to improve their defense, but I just thought of this, what if they will need a PG,
I mean a real PG, and the Blazers would be willing to trade Lillard for Irving, will the Nets accept him?

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Nets should just pull the trigger to end this quickly if they really want him out but it sounds stupid to let Irving go at this point when the league is about to start. They should know by now the importance of a deep roster since they were eliminated last season because of injuries.

And team chemistry as well. If they kept him on their roster, there could be some friction in the locker room or if Irving keeps going into the public with his issues with the management, maybe sooner or later someone will step up and tell Irving that he might take it negatively. So it's better for them to start the season not just healthy but have a positive attitude towards winning a champion because that is their main goal. No need for some distractions and drama around.

True. That is why going public with the trade plan now is plain stupid to me if they are only fishing for potential teams that will be interested. They should have done it earlier if he was really a problem to the management or just waited for the next transfer window.

I'm imagining what it could have been if they pushed for an Irving - CP3 trade before he signed a new deal.

That's the reason why they cannot get the perfect blend they want since they choose to trade their solid rooster while the fact is they didn't tested well last season, if they choose to retain Irving and try to run again with their current line up with Harden and Durant then most provably they will get a better chance since they already know how to run with this guys around. But of they choose to drop irving in exchange with other player then they are back at rebuilding stage even if they still have two stars left.

It could be, but if Irving is going to be trade, for sure they will get a superstar that is willing to adjust or have the experience already. So there's no rebuilding stage, just some adjustments and they are good to go the finals and then hopefully the finals next season. So let's see what is the management decision, or maybe we will see a different version of Irving because he doesn't want to lose or be drop by a team that gives him a good multi million dollar salary and to work with two of the best offensive players we have right now.

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Quote from: Jating on September 16, 2021, 11:40:02 AM

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Nets should just pull the trigger to end this quickly if they really want him out but it sounds stupid to let Irving go at this point when the league is about to start. They should know by now the importance of a deep roster since they were eliminated last season because of injuries.

And team chemistry as well. If they kept him on their roster, there could be some friction in the locker room or if Irving keeps going into the public with his issues with the management, maybe sooner or later someone will step up and tell Irving that he might take it negatively. So it's better for them to start the season not just healthy but have a positive attitude towards winning a champion because that is their main goal. No need for some distractions and drama around.

True. That is why going public with the trade plan now is plain stupid to me if they are only fishing for potential teams that will be interested. They should have done it earlier if he was really a problem to the management or just waited for the next transfer window.

I'm imagining what it could have been if they pushed for an Irving - CP3 trade before he signed a new deal.

That's the reason why they cannot get the perfect blend they want since they choose to trade their solid rooster while the fact is they didn't tested well last season, if they choose to retain Irving and try to run again with their current line up with Harden and Durant then most provably they will get a better chance since they already know how to run with this guys around. But of they choose to drop irving in exchange with other player then they are back at rebuilding stage even if they still have two stars left.

Talent-wise Irving is really good, however, he can be a problem if he cannot blend with his teammates. For a team to succeed, one should have respect over other people and it seems like Irving is not that kind of a player that's why the management wants to dump him through trade.

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Quote from: Yogee on September 18, 2021, 05:36:29 AM

Quote from: Jating on September 16, 2021, 11:40:02 AM

Quote from: Yogee on September 16, 2021, 10:03:28 AM

Nets should just pull the trigger to end this quickly if they really want him out but it sounds stupid to let Irving go at this point when the league is about to start. They should know by now the importance of a deep roster since they were eliminated last season because of injuries.

And team chemistry as well. If they kept him on their roster, there could be some friction in the locker room or if Irving keeps going into the public with his issues with the management, maybe sooner or later someone will step up and tell Irving that he might take it negatively. So it's better for them to start the season not just healthy but have a positive attitude towards winning a champion because that is their main goal. No need for some distractions and drama around.

True. That is why going public with the trade plan now is plain stupid to me if they are only fishing for potential teams that will be interested. They should have done it earlier if he was really a problem to the management or just waited for the next transfer window.

I'm imagining what it could have been if they pushed for an Irving - CP3 trade before he signed a new deal.

That's the reason why they cannot get the perfect blend they want since they choose to trade their solid rooster while the fact is they didn't tested well last season, if they choose to retain Irving and try to run again with their current line up with Harden and Durant then most provably they will get a better chance since they already know how to run with this guys around. But of they choose to drop irving in exchange with other player then they are back at rebuilding stage even if they still have two stars left.

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Quote from: Jating on September 16, 2021, 11:40:02 AM

Quote from: Yogee on September 16, 2021, 10:03:28 AM

Nets should just pull the trigger to end this quickly if they really want him out but it sounds stupid to let Irving go at this point when the league is about to start. They should know by now the importance of a deep roster since they were eliminated last season because of injuries.

And team chemistry as well. If they kept him on their roster, there could be some friction in the locker room or if Irving keeps going into the public with his issues with the management, maybe sooner or later someone will step up and tell Irving that he might take it negatively. So it's better for them to start the season not just healthy but have a positive attitude towards winning a champion because that is their main goal. No need for some distractions and drama around.

True. That is why going public with the trade plan now is plain stupid to me if they are only fishing for potential teams that will be interested. They should have done it earlier if he was really a problem to the management or just waited for the next transfer window.

I'm imagining what it could have been if they pushed for an Irving - CP3 trade before he signed a new deal.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 13, 2021, 06:10:14 PM

About CP3, the time for him is really short as we look for these current rosters from different teams. Then age also will hurt him together with those old and possible injuries, it's going to be a tough road for CP3 to win a ring.

While with Melo, with the strong cast that surrounds him, it will be much brighter for him to win now, though if not, he will completely lose that chance to win one before his retirement.

I'm going to add Harden here as he also has a better chance to win his first NBA title, the only one that left to complete his resume.

Answering this question from a few days ago....

So, I still believe CP3 could still win his ring before he retires. In these NBA playoffs we've had, we can see CP3's ability to guide the team to victory, even though he got injured in some playoffs, he was able to guide the Suns to the NBA Finals.

About Harden, I believe he will still have great chances to be champion, he is still young, amazingly enough, James Harden is still a good player, he in his prime is still superior to CP3 or Melo both in his prime ( of course this is my opinion)

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^^, Yup, that the farthest they got with, unfortunately, Kawhi ended their dreams. And the next year, we hope that they can get over that hump, but Joel got injured, and then Simmons choking against the Hawks. So we can say that the process is no longer there, or the Joel-Ben tandem is about to end now. And now they have to start with stage 2, Joel-??? and see what kind of achievement they will get.

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 17, 2021, 06:59:13 PM

Weird. If that's the case then there's no team is interested in him? Or Sixers just needs a much bigger deal since that Simmons.

It's the big deal that they want if you consider how Daryl Morey does his things. i.e. Harden, CP3 (Houston Rockets years)
He was even called the King of Transactions. Grin

Quote from: agustina2 on September 17, 2021, 06:59:13 PM

Sixers need to think twice. Several potential first-round picks will do. It's not healthy anymore for Simmons to stay with the Sixers.

They are patient and I think they are trying to marinate the idea of a trade that will make other teams surrender one of their top players in exchange for Ben Simmons. They don't want to waste the opportunity of a large scale trade and that means an eye for an eye but in this case a star for a star trade.
Now the problem, who are the star players that are still available for a trade and it should be in the guard position because that is the hole the 76ers need to fill.

Maybe Sixers already received a good trade proposal that's only good on our views but not on them.

Likely, they are expecting a superstar level to land on the team in exchange for Ben Simmons but no offer until now but only receiving All-Star levels or a package that is composed of 2-3 players.

Sixers have to make it rush since it may come up to the point that no teams will give much more decent offers compare to the current ones. Hard to speculate this as no reports or leaks about some trade proposals involving him.

All trade regarding Ben is still a rumor and speculation from all of us.

Yeah, I do agree that Sixers need to pull the trigger before it's too late, before their season deteriorate before it even started. We know it's really hard to make decisions regarding Ben because maybe they wanted a star player in exchange of him and other future draft picks. But if they don't make their move before the season stars and he is still with the team, this could lead to negativity amongst the player.

I agree with @harizen, "Trust the Process" is not working, some things will need to change.

Sixers fans are holding that trust the process for several years hehe. Still holding on.

I think their best achievement is when they reached the Eastern Conference Finals against the Toronto Raptors in 2019. Almost a Finals appearance as that series reached Game 7. Chance also to become a champion as Golden State Warriors is full of injured players that Finals.

But Sixers is not silent during the trust the process years as there's always a change in their roster and coaching staff. The best part of their process is when they signed Jimmy Butler but not utilized and ended up trading to other team.

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 17, 2021, 06:59:13 PM

Weird. If that's the case then there's no team is interested in him? Or Sixers just needs a much bigger deal since that Simmons.

It's the big deal that they want if you consider how Daryl Morey does his things. i.e. Harden, CP3 (Houston Rockets years)
He was even called the King of Transactions. Grin

Quote from: agustina2 on September 17, 2021, 06:59:13 PM

Sixers need to think twice. Several potential first-round picks will do. It's not healthy anymore for Simmons to stay with the Sixers.

They are patient and I think they are trying to marinate the idea of a trade that will make other teams surrender one of their top players in exchange for Ben Simmons. They don't want to waste the opportunity of a large scale trade and that means an eye for an eye but in this case a star for a star trade.
Now the problem, who are the star players that are still available for a trade and it should be in the guard position because that is the hole the 76ers need to fill.

Maybe Sixers already received a good trade proposal that's only good on our views but not on them.

Likely, they are expecting a superstar level to land on the team in exchange for Ben Simmons but no offer until now but only receiving All-Star levels or a package that is composed of 2-3 players.

Sixers have to make it rush since it may come up to the point that no teams will give much more decent offers compare to the current ones. Hard to speculate this as no reports or leaks about some trade proposals involving him.

All trade regarding Ben is still a rumor and speculation from all of us.

Yeah, I do agree that Sixers need to pull the trigger before it's too late, before their season deteriorate before it even started. We know it's really hard to make decisions regarding Ben because maybe they wanted a star player in exchange of him and other future draft picks. But if they don't make their move before the season stars and he is still with the team, this could lead to negativity amongst the player.

I agree with @harizen, "Trust the Process" is not working, some things will need to change.

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Quote from: Reid on September 17, 2021, 08:16:24 PM

Quote from: harizen on September 17, 2021, 05:45:30 PM

I think that trade is not possible to happen. Irving will stay and play with the Nets for the next season. He is just creating drams like before.

Moving forward to Sixers, it's no secret plan already that Simmons will be traded in the future instead of Joel Embiid. Prior the start of Season 2020-21, Sixers made it clear (I'm sure I read it elsewhere and share it here) that it was the season we might see the final Simmons-Embiid duo.

Still no news for the future of Ben Simmons but I'm sure he will play at the different jersey next season.

This season or next season? How can he play now if he won't even answer 76ers management and players' calls?
The kid is being hard-headed to be traded to the extent of even paying up millions of dollars missing the training camp.
Something bad is going on inside their management and they cannot control Ben anymore. GM won't jeopardize the team's chance for a championship just because of that. 30+ million in salary cap is a large amount and they could find help from a good player with that.

I found one rumor that 76ers would rather take Rubio for Ben than Kevin Love if ever they will trade with the Cavs.

Yes, Ben Simmons is acting unprofessionally. Cutting communications with the team and his teammates is crazy and sh*t. He should settle properly those problems with the Sixers management. He is not even a superstar-level player to consider acting like that.

To get rid of Simmons is the key to somehow make the Sixers be better, at least. Up to this point, they still can't find a suitable deal.

The Sixers "Trust the Process" rally is not progressing after 7 to 8 years since it was made. It needs to be changed.

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Quote from: Vaculin on September 17, 2021, 07:26:24 AM

Kyrie will retire if he gets traded, lol
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/09/16/report-kyrie-irvings-agents-saying-irving-would-retire-if-nets-trade-him/

I don't think he'll fulfill that, it's just a warning I guess that he doesn't want it and besides it's a bad move for the Nets if they do. I mean, are they on their right mind for this? Kyrie got good stat on the Nets from the past season and if he wasn't get injured along with Harden they might be the one on that Finals appearance.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on September 17, 2021, 09:56:07 PM

Quote from: agustina2 on September 17, 2021, 06:59:13 PM

Weird. If that's the case then there's no team is interested in him? Or Sixers just needs a much bigger deal since that Simmons.

It's the big deal that they want if you consider how Daryl Morey does his things. i.e. Harden, CP3 (Houston Rockets years)
He was even called the King of Transactions. Grin

Quote from: agustina2 on September 17, 2021, 06:59:13 PM

Sixers need to think twice. Several potential first-round picks will do. It's not healthy anymore for Simmons to stay with the Sixers.

They are patient and I think they are trying to marinate the idea of a trade that will make other teams surrender one of their top players in exchange for Ben Simmons. They don't want to waste the opportunity of a large scale trade and that means an eye for an eye but in this case a star for a star trade.
Now the problem, who are the star players that are still available for a trade and it should be in the guard position because that is the hole the 76ers need to fill.

Maybe Sixers already received a good trade proposal that's only good on our views but not on them.

Likely, they are expecting a superstar level to land on the team in exchange for Ben Simmons but no offer until now but only receiving All-Star levels or a package that is composed of 2-3 players.

Sixers have to make it rush since it may come up to the point that no teams will give much more decent offers compare to the current ones. Hard to speculate this as no reports or leaks about some trade proposals involving him.

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 17, 2021, 06:59:13 PM

Weird. If that's the case then there's no team is interested in him? Or Sixers just needs a much bigger deal since that Simmons.

It's the big deal that they want if you consider how Daryl Morey does his things. i.e. Harden, CP3 (Houston Rockets years)
He was even called the King of Transactions. Grin

Quote from: agustina2 on September 17, 2021, 06:59:13 PM

Sixers need to think twice. Several potential first-round picks will do. It's not healthy anymore for Simmons to stay with the Sixers.

They are patient and I think they are trying to marinate the idea of a trade that will make other teams surrender one of their top players in exchange for Ben Simmons. They don't want to waste the opportunity of a large scale trade and that means an eye for an eye but in this case a star for a star trade.
Now the problem, who are the star players that are still available for a trade and it should be in the guard position because that is the hole the 76ers need to fill.

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Quote from: Vaculin on September 17, 2021, 07:26:24 AM

Kyrie will retire if he gets traded, lol
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/09/16/report-kyrie-irvings-agents-saying-irving-would-retire-if-nets-trade-him/

I don't think he will really retire at age 29, he just gave an ultimatum to not get traded. That's fair enough, you can't push players out of the team easily. I understand from Kyrie's response this is not the case though. I don't see him in Sixers jersey, this trade chance is so slim. Actually he also said in 2018 that he doesn't plan a long career. I still don't think he would retire in less than 3 years though.

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Quote from: Reid on September 17, 2021, 08:16:24 PM

Quote from: harizen on September 17, 2021, 05:45:30 PM

I think that trade is not possible to happen. Irving will stay and play with the Nets for the next season. He is just creating drams like before.

Moving forward to Sixers, it's no secret plan already that Simmons will be traded in the future instead of Joel Embiid. Prior the start of Season 2020-21, Sixers made it clear (I'm sure I read it elsewhere and share it here) that it was the season we might see the final Simmons-Embiid duo.

Still no news for the future of Ben Simmons but I'm sure he will play at the different jersey next season.

This season or next season? How can he play now if he won't even answer 76ers management and players' calls?
The kid is being hard-headed to be traded to the extent of even paying up millions of dollars missing the training camp.
Something bad is going on inside their management and they cannot control Ben anymore. GM won't jeopardize the team's chance for a championship just because of that. 30+ million in salary cap is a large amount and they could find help from a good player with that.

I found one rumor that 76ers would rather take Rubio for Ben than Kevin Love if ever they will trade with the Cavs.

That's good trade in my opinion, we all know that Sixers lacks a play maker, or needed someone that can distribute the ball, need not to score more as Joel can do that, although Rubio has some games wherein he can really be dominant and score more points + his assist and overall basketball IQ. But still, the decision is on the Sixers management, if they really wanted to trade Ben or play with him next season and then have some negative impact on the team.

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Quote from: harizen on September 17, 2021, 05:45:30 PM

I think that trade is not possible to happen. Irving will stay and play with the Nets for the next season. He is just creating drams like before.

Moving forward to Sixers, it's no secret plan already that Simmons will be traded in the future instead of Joel Embiid. Prior the start of Season 2020-21, Sixers made it clear (I'm sure I read it elsewhere and share it here) that it was the season we might see the final Simmons-Embiid duo.

Still no news for the future of Ben Simmons but I'm sure he will play at the different jersey next season.

This season or next season? How can he play now if he won't even answer 76ers management and players' calls?
The kid is being hard-headed to be traded to the extent of even paying up millions of dollars missing the training camp.
Something bad is going on inside their management and they cannot control Ben anymore. GM won't jeopardize the team's chance for a championship just because of that. 30+ million in salary cap is a large amount and they could find help from a good player with that.

I found one rumor that 76ers would rather take Rubio for Ben than Kevin Love if ever they will trade with the Cavs.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on September 17, 2021, 06:50:36 PM

Quote from: harizen on September 17, 2021, 05:45:30 PM

Moving forward to Sixers, it's no secret plan already that Simmons will be traded in the future instead of Joel Embiid. Prior the start of Season 2020-21, Sixers made it clear (I'm sure I read it elsewhere and share it here) that it was the season we might see the final Simmons-Embiid duo.

Still no news for the future of Ben Simmons but I'm sure he will play at the different jersey next season.

It looks like the 76ers aren't satisfied with the offers they got for Simmons. Also, there are rumors that the 76ers expect him to play for them next season. It's funny because the 76ers aren't going to trade him for weak players, and other teams aren't going to offer their all-star players for Simmons.

Weird. If that's the case then there's no team is interested in him? Or Sixers just needs a much bigger deal since that Simmons. That playoffs performance where Simmons got choked might impact and affect the decision of other teams. One thing, maybe teams aren't needed anymore a replacement for their current players so they are not joining the Simmons trade party.

Sixers need to think twice. Several potential first-round picks will do. It's not healthy anymore for Simmons to stay with the Sixers.

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Quote from: harizen on September 17, 2021, 05:45:30 PM

Moving forward to Sixers, it's no secret plan already that Simmons will be traded in the future instead of Joel Embiid. Prior the start of Season 2020-21, Sixers made it clear (I'm sure I read it elsewhere and share it here) that it was the season we might see the final Simmons-Embiid duo.

Still no news for the future of Ben Simmons but I'm sure he will play at the different jersey next season.

It looks like the 76ers aren't satisfied with the offers they got for Simmons. Also, there are rumors that the 76ers expect him to play for them next season. It's funny because the 76ers aren't going to trade him for weak players, and other teams aren't going to offer their all-star players for Simmons.

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Quote from: Vaculin on September 17, 2021, 07:26:24 AM

Kyrie will retire if he gets traded, lol
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/09/16/report-kyrie-irvings-agents-saying-irving-would-retire-if-nets-trade-him/

He wants to stay with his current team and that's probably a real thing if he's traded. But can he do something with that if there's a bind with the contract that he has signed before? I don't think that he can just do whatever he wants as he needs to honor his contract and if it tells that the team can trade him and continue the contract with another team's contract, then he'll still play. It's possible that his contract will be bought for this trade by the team where he's going to be traded and there's nothing he can do with it but to bear with it.

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So next to Ben Simmons drama, now we have the Kryrie saga as well.

These two have different situations, Kyrie was disliked because of his attitude, but the way he played, he is really good. On the other hand, we have Simmons who is disliked by the management because he choked in the playoffs, Irving does not choke, Harden and Lebron even choke better.

Even irvings play has changed during this period, not that he became a bad player but he is not as good as he used to be and that plays into this situation as well. If this was the Irving from 5-10 years ago, during 2012 or so or 2013 to 2016-17 dude was a beast but nowadays I do not think that he is THAT good anymore. Don't get me wrong, his stats looks amazing when you check it on paper, but he doesn't play the team ball required to play with other 2 stars, like Durant learned that while he was playing at Warriors and now happy to share the ball if he has to, and happy to shoot whenever he needs to, and Harden has been one of the best passers in the league for a while and still score a lot.

Kyrie is not like that, not only he shoots more than he should in many occasions that he shouldn't, but also he changes the game style whenever he wants to and putting his teammates in a tough spot, his defense is getting worse as well.

When he move to the Celtics, he became the alpha of the team and take many shots and he thought that he can carry the team with the young Jason Tatum back them. But he got injured and then it was a different Irving, just playing iso one on one and try to score, and then there are times that he will take the play during crucial seconds and try to win the game for the team. So no team ball for him in the last 2 years and maybe that what frustrates him is that he can't score the way he wanted to.

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