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He is still young that time, at 27 years old now, if he can sign with the Celtics, he will be 29 years old after 2 years and a player is still at prime that time. Let's just hope that not only he will play an impressive seasons but he also need to be health,

Schroder at Celtics will be an orb-effect lol (Dota terms).

Basically, with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown as the leaders there, I hope he will cooperate. Remember that in Lakers, even Lebron James and Anthony Davis was there, he feels he can do anything. That mindset leads him to take down the Laker's superb offers on which is not a good idea.

He thought his value isn't worth $20M per year and basically want more money. Take note, he's not even an All-Star but still expecting some teams can offer more.

Yeah, it seems that Dennis has some attitude to say the least to turn down the offer from Lakers, or he doesn't really wanted to play with Lebron or AD.

But he will end up the in the same category with the Boston because they have their established stars and leaders in Tatum and Brown so I do hope that he won't be bringing that kind of attitude in the Celtics otherwise he could end up the same after one or two years with them.

Well, that's true but Tatum and Brown are not on the same level as Lebron who can demand on who's going to be his teammates and can even demand on who is going to be his coach. Maybe one of the reasons is he doesn't want to play with Bron of we called the king.

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Quote from: Viscore on August 09, 2021, 08:06:04 AM

He is still young that time, at 27 years old now, if he can sign with the Celtics, he will be 29 years old after 2 years and a player is still at prime that time. Let's just hope that not only he will play an impressive seasons but he also need to be health,

Schroder at Celtics will be an orb-effect lol (Dota terms).

Basically, with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown as the leaders there, I hope he will cooperate. Remember that in Lakers, even Lebron James and Anthony Davis was there, he feels he can do anything. That mindset leads him to take down the Laker's superb offers on which is not a good idea.

He thought his value isn't worth $20M per year and basically want more money. Take note, he's not even an All-Star but still expecting some teams can offer more.

Yeah, it seems that Dennis has some attitude to say the least to turn down the offer from Lakers, or he doesn't really wanted to play with Lebron or AD.

But he will end up the in the same category with the Boston because they have their established stars and leaders in Tatum and Brown so I do hope that he won't be bringing that kind of attitude in the Celtics otherwise he could end up the same after one or two years with them.

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He is still young that time, at 27 years old now, if he can sign with the Celtics, he will be 29 years old after 2 years and a player is still at prime that time. Let's just hope that not only he will play an impressive seasons but he also need to be health,

Schroder at Celtics will be an orb-effect lol (Dota terms).

Basically, with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown as the leaders there, I hope he will cooperate. Remember that in Lakers, even Lebron James and Anthony Davis was there, he feels he can do anything. That mindset leads him to take down the Laker's superb offers on which is not a good idea.

He thought his value isn't worth $20M per year and basically want more money. Take note, he's not even an All-Star but still expecting some teams can offer more.

That's how he thought, but he has to prove to whatever team will sign him that he is a very valuable piece of the team, in terms of talent, I admire his talent but he has not proven anything yet. Playing with the Celtics which is a playoff team, he will definitely get more opportunity to prove his worth, start with a minimum number of years then probably max out in contract extension if everything goes well.

That's what I'm talking about, if the Lakers did not offer him the amount he expected, I don't think other teams will make an aggressive offer. With the Lakers, maybe his potential was not yet maximized because he played the same position as Lebron, Dennis Schröder is a point guard so the team has to fully utilize him.

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Quote from: harizen on August 09, 2021, 10:07:28 AM

Quote from: Viscore on August 09, 2021, 08:06:04 AM

He is still young that time, at 27 years old now, if he can sign with the Celtics, he will be 29 years old after 2 years and a player is still at prime that time. Let's just hope that not only he will play an impressive seasons but he also need to be health,

Schroder at Celtics will be an orb-effect lol (Dota terms).

Basically, with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown as the leaders there, I hope he will cooperate. Remember that in Lakers, even Lebron James and Anthony Davis was there, he feels he can do anything. That mindset leads him to take down the Laker's superb offers on which is not a good idea.

He thought his value isn't worth $20M per year and basically want more money. Take note, he's not even an All-Star but still expecting some teams can offer more.

That's how he thought, but he has to prove to whatever team will sign him that he is a very valuable piece of the team, in terms of talent, I admire his talent but he has not proven anything yet. Playing with the Celtics which is a playoff team, he will definitely get more opportunity to prove his worth, start with a minimum number of years then probably max out in contract extension if everything goes well.

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Quote from: Viscore on August 09, 2021, 08:06:04 AM

He is still young that time, at 27 years old now, if he can sign with the Celtics, he will be 29 years old after 2 years and a player is still at prime that time. Let's just hope that not only he will play an impressive seasons but he also need to be health,

Schroder at Celtics will be an orb-effect lol (Dota terms).

Basically, with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown as the leaders there, I hope he will cooperate. Remember that in Lakers, even Lebron James and Anthony Davis was there, he feels he can do anything. That mindset leads him to take down the Laker's superb offers on which is not a good idea.

He thought his value isn't worth $20M per year and basically want more money. Take note, he's not even an All-Star but still expecting some teams can offer more.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on August 09, 2021, 09:47:47 AM

That's true, he really has a stellar season with the Celtics, but that serious injury ruined his future.

2016-2017 season was the best season of his career where he averaged 28.9 points. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomais02.html
next season, he played with 6 teams already up to now.

His total earning so far is $31 million - https://hoopshype.com/player/isaiah-thomas/salary/ and that's 8 seasons of playing, while other players only gets that in one season.

That hurts for someone who is on his way to stardom but suddenly broke down because of his injury.
He led the Celtics to the Finals in 2017 even with his height which is amazing. Then, the lowest draft pick to be named as an All-Star. (2nd round, 60th pick)
That's all his hard work and yet not paid well enough but thankfully the Celtics fans appreciated him and gave a standing ovation while wearing a Cavs uniform.

32 years old. Still young, there's still a lot of years to play. Just fix that hip and be ready to go.
Kobe blessed him after the tweet.

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He is still young that time, at 27 years old now, if he can sign with the Celtics, he will be 29 years old after 2 years and a player is still at prime that time.

Agree to that, he's still in good shape if he managed not to get any major injuries, if he played and jive well with his teammates Boston might signed him with his dream contract and stay with the franchise.

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Let's just hope that not only he will play an impressive seasons but he also need to be health, we don't want to see what happened to Isaiah Thomas who have a very good seasons with the Celtics but when he got injured, the team did not sign him anymore.

I remember that, Thomas almost bring them to the finals, but LeBron still dominating the east back then and they don't have the power to stop him.

Thomas career after that injury turned to nothing, he can still play but not that star caliber anymore.

Injuries could really kill a player's career, and we can't blame the team for not signing a player due to injury problem since this is business, they are just protecting their interest and they want to ensure that once they sign a player for long term deal, he can perform his best for the period of time.

this article is worth to read.

Isaiah Thomas Says Celtics Didn't Reveal Long-term Risk of 2017 Hip Injury

That's true, he really has a stellar season with the Celtics, but that serious injury ruined his future.

2016-2017 season was the best season of his career where he averaged 28.9 points. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomais02.html
next season, he played with 6 teams already up to now.

His total earning so far is $31 million - https://hoopshype.com/player/isaiah-thomas/salary/ and that's 8 seasons of playing, while other players only gets that in one season.

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Quote from: Viscore on August 09, 2021, 08:06:04 AM

He is still young that time, at 27 years old now, if he can sign with the Celtics, he will be 29 years old after 2 years and a player is still at prime that time.

Agree to that, he's still in good shape if he managed not to get any major injuries, if he played and jive well with his teammates Boston might signed him with his dream contract and stay with the franchise.

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Let's just hope that not only he will play an impressive seasons but he also need to be health, we don't want to see what happened to Isaiah Thomas who have a very good seasons with the Celtics but when he got injured, the team did not sign him anymore.

I remember that, Thomas almost bring them to the finals, but LeBron still dominating the east back then and they don't have the power to stop him.

Thomas career after that injury turned to nothing, he can still play but not that star caliber anymore.

Injuries could really kill a player's career, and we can't blame the team for not signing a player due to injury problem since this is business, they are just protecting their interest and they want to ensure that once they sign a player for long term deal, he can perform his best for the period of time.

this article is worth to read.

Isaiah Thomas Says Celtics Didn't Reveal Long-term Risk of 2017 Hip Injury

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Quote from: Viscore on August 09, 2021, 08:06:04 AM

He is still young that time, at 27 years old now, if he can sign with the Celtics, he will be 29 years old after 2 years and a player is still at prime that time.

Agree to that, he's still in good shape if he managed not to get any major injuries, if he played and jive well with his teammates Boston might signed him with his dream contract and stay with the franchise.

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Let's just hope that not only he will play an impressive seasons but he also need to be health, we don't want to see what happened to Isaiah Thomas who have a very good seasons with the Celtics but when he got injured, the team did not sign him anymore.

I remember that, Thomas almost bring them to the finals, but LeBron still dominating the east back then and they don't have the power to stop him.

Thomas career after that injury turned to nothing, he can still play but not that star caliber anymore.

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More likely he will end up in Boston, they have traded Kemba Walker, so they need a point guard now. And Dennis will be a perfect fit, however, as per report, Celtics can only offer one or two year deal. Remember that he turn down a Lakers offer of $84 million for four years. So doesn't have any good options this season, worst he could end up to his previous team - OKC. So it's really up to him and his agent, shop him around and take less money if he really wanted to get out of the Lakers.

Better than nothing at all, That point of turning down Lakers offer might reflect to him once there's no available contract for him. Else, he will accept Boston's offer and play with them, like what you said he's fit with them since Walker already went out and this team needs a good quality point guard who can also bring some good numbers.

Will wait for further updates from this dude if he'll finally land to a good team that he deserve.

If he has no choice then he has to accept that offer, after two years if he did very well with Boston, maybe the management will decide to extend him and give him a maximum contract. Hopefully, this guy will finally land a team, it's very sad if he will not get signed at all after rejecting the Lakers offer.

He is still young that time, at 27 years old now, if he can sign with the Celtics, he will be 29 years old after 2 years and a player is still at prime that time. Let's just hope that not only he will play an impressive seasons but he also need to be health, we don't want to see what happened to Isaiah Thomas who have a very good seasons with the Celtics but when he got injured, the team did not sign him anymore.

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What is the difference with Lonzo Ball and Kyle Lowry and they are being attacked? They say it's a complicated issue, we may need to wait for NBA to stretch the details about it.

We need more information about this as I read some articles related to this, I still don't get it. Trades are public and there are official negotiations right so I don't think they will violate something that is an obvious mistake.

And before the final trade to be finalized, NBA is in the middle to approve the trade, right?

Yes. That's why I don't understand why NBA is stretching this issue like it's not a normal thing that had happened for the past few years.
Here is the full article about the "Tampering" that they are trying to pursue.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-investigating-tampering-allegations-in-kyle-lowry-lonzo-ball-sign-and-trade-deals-per-report/
I'll just put little bits of details on why it is a normal thing that had happened before and the reporters might also have some contribution to why NBA management is looking at it. The early news and rumors they release in social media and their inside sources that feeds them the scoop.

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Tampering is believed to be a fairly common practice in the NBA overall. There's a common sense element to that. The overwhelming majority of major free agent deals are reported in the first several hours in which players and teams can legally negotiate. It seems far likelier that teams and players had preexisting contact than it is that they could, say, negotiate an $85 million deal in the first minute of free agency.

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On Sunday, Aug. 1, Wojnarowski reported that the Heat were considered strong favorites to land Lowry for a package built around Goran Dragic and Precious Achiuwa. Those were ultimately the players sent to Toronto for Lowry. At exactly 6 p.m., ET on Aug. 2, the literal minute free agency began, The Athletic's Shams Charania reported that Ball would land in Chicago on a four-year, $85 million deal through a sign-and-trade.

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More likely he will end up in Boston, they have traded Kemba Walker, so they need a point guard now. And Dennis will be a perfect fit, however, as per report, Celtics can only offer one or two year deal. Remember that he turn down a Lakers offer of $84 million for four years. So doesn't have any good options this season, worst he could end up to his previous team - OKC. So it's really up to him and his agent, shop him around and take less money if he really wanted to get out of the Lakers.

Better than nothing at all, That point of turning down Lakers offer might reflect to him once there's no available contract for him. Else, he will accept Boston's offer and play with them, like what you said he's fit with them since Walker already went out and this team needs a good quality point guard who can also bring some good numbers.

Will wait for further updates from this dude if he'll finally land to a good team that he deserve.

If he has no choice then he has to accept that offer, after two years if he did very well with Boston, maybe the management will decide to extend him and give him a maximum contract. Hopefully, this guy will finally land a team, it's very sad if he will not get signed at all after rejecting the Lakers offer.

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Quote from: Jating on August 09, 2021, 03:59:03 AM

More likely he will end up in Boston, they have traded Kemba Walker, so they need a point guard now. And Dennis will be a perfect fit, however, as per report, Celtics can only offer one or two year deal. Remember that he turn down a Lakers offer of $84 million for four years. So doesn't have any good options this season, worst he could end up to his previous team - OKC. So it's really up to him and his agent, shop him around and take less money if he really wanted to get out of the Lakers.

Better than nothing at all, That point of turning down Lakers offer might reflect to him once there's no available contract for him. Else, he will accept Boston's offer and play with them, like what you said he's fit with them since Walker already went out and this team needs a good quality point guard who can also bring some good numbers.

Will wait for further updates from this dude if he'll finally land to a good team that he deserve.

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About Melo, I'm sure he will be more utilized. Vogel must try giving him more playing time as he still has it and his shooting stroke is still good as we have seen in his former team, Portland Trail Blazers. Another good backup role right from the bench.

I like him playing back to back with LeBron, this two have that pride which really best to see this upcoming season.

After being criticize since most of them are not in their primes anymore, and from how I see both still have it.
Enough playing minutes and a good system to maximized Melo's worth being an asset of the team.

Lakers Fans will love this new line up playing with their Jerseys!

Melo will be more confident as he is playing with Lebron James and Davis, this is his best chance to win a ring that he did not achieve when he was still in his prime. He got into many big contracts already but he has not bring his team to championship, now is the time to prove to the world that he is a real superstar too.

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Quote from: harizen on August 09, 2021, 02:15:32 AM

About Melo, I'm sure he will be more utilized. Vogel must try giving him more playing time as he still has it and his shooting stroke is still good as we have seen in his former team, Portland Trail Blazers. Another good backup role right from the bench.

I like him playing back to back with LeBron, this two have that pride which really best to see this upcoming season.

After being criticize since most of them are not in their primes anymore, and from how I see both still have it.
Enough playing minutes and a good system to maximized Melo's worth being an asset of the team.

Lakers Fans will love this new line up playing with their Jerseys!

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The National Basket Association has opened an investigation to evaluate the possible violation of the so-called anti tampering rules during free agency. According to ESPN sources, the league's offices are looking into the sign and trade that brought Lonzo Ball to the Chicago Bulls and Kyle Lowry to the Miami Heat.
Sanctions against tampering were tightened only two years ago. In case of proven irregularity, fines up to 10M dollars are foreseen for the team, with possible charges against the guilty managers, possible subtraction of draft picks and invalidation of contracts.

Can you put more specifics regarding that rules, I can't follow what you are talking about, to be honest as I'm not aware of that rules. What do you mean by tampering? Who made the violation? the players, the managers, or the teams?

As far as I know, anti-tampering rule refers to team approaching players way before their contract expires with their respective teams. For instance Chicago might be talking to Lonzo Ball when he was still in contact with New Orleans before their actual sign and trade deal (I might be wrong with my interpretations though). And to add to add, the investigations might center on the player or the team itself.

cryptomaniac_xx explained that a bit.
mirakal when in doubt remember that google's your friend and by searching anti tampering rule nba the following results were available
https://www.bworldonline.com/nba-anti-tampering-rules/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-investigating-lonzo-ball-kyle-lowry-sign-and-trades-for-possible-tampering/ar-AAN3xoX
As NBA fans we all got to know this rule as there have been plenty of strange cases around that.
I hope these two links will help.

I guess all I understand upon reading it fast is that there's no legal liability, so this trade will not be cancelled but they might just pay a monetary penalty in proven guilty.

This was the most interesting part from the article you shared.

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No matter what happens, though, this much is clear: even those who want to stick to the rules will be compelled to walk the fine line considering that the benefits far outweigh the costs.

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Quote from: Karartma1 on August 08, 2021, 04:31:14 AM

The National Basket Association has opened an investigation to evaluate the possible violation of the so-called anti tampering rules during free agency. According to ESPN sources, the league's offices are looking into the sign and trade that brought Lonzo Ball to the Chicago Bulls and Kyle Lowry to the Miami Heat.
Sanctions against tampering were tightened only two years ago. In case of proven irregularity, fines up to 10M dollars are foreseen for the team, with possible charges against the guilty managers, possible subtraction of draft picks and invalidation of contracts.

Can you put more specifics regarding that rules, I can't follow what you are talking about, to be honest as I'm not aware of that rules. What do you mean by tampering? Who made the violation? the players, the managers, or the teams?

As far as I know, anti-tampering rule refers to team approaching players way before their contract expires with their respective teams. For instance Chicago might be talking to Lonzo Ball when he was still in contact with New Orleans before their actual sign and trade deal (I might be wrong with my interpretations though). And to add to add, the investigations might center on the player or the team itself.

cryptomaniac_xx explained that a bit.
mirakal when in doubt remember that google's your friend and by searching anti tampering rule nba the following results were available
https://www.bworldonline.com/nba-anti-tampering-rules/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-investigating-lonzo-ball-kyle-lowry-sign-and-trades-for-possible-tampering/ar-AAN3xoX
As NBA fans we all got to know this rule as there have been plenty of strange cases around that.
I hope these two links will help.

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Did Lakers sign Schroeder back? last time I heard about him he became a free agent and struggling to het a huge contract to the other team since no one grab what contract he likes that's why he's slowly losing a chance to get one.

But if this the case well this line up is much better line up compare to their last season and if they can work out their chemistry also can rotate the ball then this is the team will get a huge chance to win on Finals.

Wow, I didn't even realize @Oasisman had lineup Dennis Schröder on Lakers team.
I just did a quick research and i found, Schröder has great chances to play for the Celtics.
Let's see what the Lakers will get in this exchange!

By the way, I liked Schröder, he was a good player (not an allstar), but he's still a missing player on the team.

More likely he will end up in Boston, they have traded Kemba Walker, so they need a point guard now. And Dennis will be a perfect fit, however, as per report, Celtics can only offer one or two year deal. Remember that he turn down a Lakers offer of $84 million for four years. So doesn't have any good options this season, worst he could end up to his previous team - OKC. So it's really up to him and his agent, shop him around and take less money if he really wanted to get out of the Lakers.

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Quote from: gagux123 on August 08, 2021, 06:06:40 PM

I have no doubt that Melo or Howard can start as a starter in some games. We see for example what DRose has shown in some games in the past.

As far as Vogel goes, he didn't give Dwight Howard a precious time during the big man's tenure in the 2020 Bubble. He just becomes a starter a couple of times. The same experience happens in his Philadelphia Sixers tenure last season where he only started 6 times. That's one of the reasons why Howard's overall stats that year is far from his average or I considered it low. I'm not really expecting this guy to be one of the assets of the Lakers this upcoming season but since he's a Center and the Lakers are lacking it, he is a good backup.

About Melo, I'm sure he will be more utilized. Vogel must try giving him more playing time as he still has it and his shooting stroke is still good as we have seen in his former team, Portland Trail Blazers. Another good backup role right from the bench.

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Looks like Michael Jordan liked the way James Borrego handled the Charlotte Hornets.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31981228/sources-charlotte-hornets-finalizing-multi-year-contract-extension-head-coach-james-borrego

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The Charlotte Hornets are finalizing a multiyear contract extension for coach James Borrego, sources told ESPN.

Mostly, they just fire them if they can't reach the playoffs after their contract but it's different.
I think what changed everything was when LaMelo came. Not all rookies are given that amount of minutes in their first year but Borrego took the risk and it ended well until Ball was injured.

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