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No disrespect specially to Cousins, but he has a lot of wear and tear already, while Wall is coming off from a season ending injury so we still don't know the extend of the damage.

Honestly, based on what I see, cousins is not anymore as a valuable player as he was before.

After he got traded to the Pelicans, I think he was already battling with injury or maybe he was traded because he was battling already when he was still with the Kings, but respect to this man, he was really making the Kings at exciting team to watch during the early stage of his career, it was just the injury problem that is slowly killing his future in the NBA.

You are not the only one who sees that, it's pretty evident based on the amount of contract he had recently. He was signed for one year deal amounting to $2 million, not the usual salary for a star player because they signed at least $20 million per year. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/HOU.html

I remember Dwight Howard was also a dominant player in his prime before the injury things like Cousins. I think those teams who signed players for a high amount of salary are also gambling with their prospective players because they also don't know whether those players will suffer a major injury which changed the way they play or not.

I think Dwight was a different player since he is more better in defense than offense, and this big guy does not know how to shot 3 point, unlike Cousins where he really developed his 3 point shooting. Dwight now does not earn a big salary as well but once in his life he was able to sign a big contract, i just hope he could come back like his old Howard but it's unlikely now as he is not getting any younger, good thing he will retire soon with a ring.

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No disrespect specially to Cousins, but he has a lot of wear and tear already, while Wall is coming off from a season ending injury so we still don't know the extend of the damage.

Honestly, based on what I see, cousins is not anymore as a valuable player as he was before.

After he got traded to the Pelicans, I think he was already battling with injury or maybe he was traded because he was battling already when he was still with the Kings, but respect to this man, he was really making the Kings at exciting team to watch during the early stage of his career, it was just the injury problem that is slowly killing his future in the NBA.

You are not the only one who sees that, it's pretty evident based on the amount of contract he had recently. He was signed for one year deal amounting to $2 million, not the usual salary for a star player because they signed at least $20 million per year. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/HOU.html

I remember Dwight Howard was also a dominant player in his prime before the injury things like Cousins. I think those teams who signed players for a high amount of salary are also gambling with their prospective players because they also don't know whether those players will suffer a major injury which changed the way they play or not.

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Quote from: btc_angela on December 04, 2020, 05:46:38 AM

No disrespect specially to Cousins, but he has a lot of wear and tear already, while Wall is coming off from a season ending injury so we still don't know the extend of the damage.

Honestly, based on what I see, cousins is not anymore as a valuable player as he was before.

After he got traded to the Pelicans, I think he was already battling with injury or maybe he was traded because he was battling already when he was still with the Kings, but respect to this man, he was really making the Kings at exciting team to watch during the early stage of his career, it was just the injury problem that is slowly killing his future in the NBA.

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So, let Harden, westbrook, KD and Paul George back to OKC. Old good fellas should have return to the team where they started ad became known before being traded to other team.

Looks like a "never again" scenario and I doubt if this 4 of them meet again on the same team but who knows the NBA always make some surprise surprise moments. The KD and Harden tandem again was good rumor but it turns out KD denies that, well, I think they really will not be in chemistry when almost 3 of them want always the piece of the ball every shot clock.

I think Harden will stay with the Rockets they may have a big three there with Wall and Cousins but the latter are questionable as they have just recent injuries not good IMO.

Yeah, I doubt that they will end up in one team again like OKC, they already had their time their and it didn't work very well. Harden will definitely stay with the Rockets for now and still call the shots, but I doubt that people behind him like Wall and Cousins will make any difference though.

No disrespect specially to Cousins, but he has a lot of wear and tear already, while Wall is coming off from a season ending injury so we still don't know the extend of the damage.

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So, let Harden, westbrook, KD and Paul George back to OKC. Old good fellas should have return to the team where they started ad became known before being traded to other team.

Looks like a "never again" scenario and I doubt if this 4 of them meet again on the same team but who knows the NBA always make some surprise surprise moments. The KD and Harden tandem again was good rumor but it turns out KD denies that, well, I think they really will not be in chemistry when almost 3 of them want always the piece of the ball every shot clock.

That's possible but unlikely to happen, all of these players have already enjoyed where they are now, they fans love them, except for Westbrook of course since he hasn't played with the Wizards yet and we would not know how the fans will accept him.

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I think Harden will stay with the Rockets they may have a big three there with Wall and Cousins but the latter are questionable as they have just recent injuries not good IMO.

Cousin's is unreliable because he is prone to injury, so I would say not a big 3.

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Quote from: jademaxsuy on December 04, 2020, 12:04:49 AM

So, let Harden, westbrook, KD and Paul George back to OKC. Old good fellas should have return to the team where they started ad became known before being traded to other team.

Looks like a "never again" scenario and I doubt if this 4 of them meet again on the same team but who knows the NBA always make some surprise surprise moments. The KD and Harden tandem again was good rumor but it turns out KD denies that, well, I think they really will not be in chemistry when almost 3 of them want always the piece of the ball every shot clock.

I think Harden will stay with the Rockets they may have a big three there with Wall and Cousins but the latter are questionable as they have just recent injuries not good IMO.

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Nah, I don't think that Washington will stick to the old play design for John Wall, they are totally different and it won't work on WB here. And it's the worst thing a coach will do, used a design play for other players. Coaches are smart and that's why they are there, to create a new tactic for WB alone.

And I agree, yeah, it's a weird trade, but both players wanted to get out of their previous team, so it's easy to do the trade and then hope for the best result this season.

With Wall out, it's Beal's team now and not WB.
He's a newcomer in the East and will look at him as a rookie again.
It's sad to see WB being passed on to different teams. He used to be a player that sticks in one team long term.
At 32 years old, he can still do so much, and yet he is being moved a lot being treated like he's already a veteran.

Exactly, but I believe he will finally find a place to stay and retire, though Beal is the leader of the team but the respect to westbrook is still high.
What they really need is just a chemistry since both are great players, they can improve their team by helping each other, work as a team, not individually.

Quote from: Reid on December 03, 2020, 11:49:27 PM

This is not really shocking news.
Anthony Davis signs new deal with Lakers
We all know he is signing back to the Lakers. We just don't know how much the contract will be.
So now its done.

Huge contract, good to know it's official that he will stay, making an average of $38 million per year, I think it's a big amount because we all need money at this time of pandemic.

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WB and Beal? Hmmm. I don't know if it will work. Harden and WB didn't work and it's almost the same.

I'll just bite my tounge this time around as I can't tell what could really be the outcome or if there's synergy on both of them, we'll see that once the new season starts. This time Harden will never leave the Rockets, I assume that will be the case.

This really have got to be one of the weirdest trade that somehow felt right at one moment. Westbrook bring brought to Washington means that he will be creating plays that was meant for Wall but I know that Wall is more clutch than Westbrook and maybe we can see some chemistry after some games.
Lets just hope all these managers are creating their best decisions to at least create a great season ahead.

Nah, I don't think that Washington will stick to the old play design for John Wall, they are totally different and it won't work on WB here. And it's the worst thing a coach will do, used a design play for other players. Coaches are smart and that's why they are there, to create a new tactic for WB alone.

And I agree, yeah, it's a weird trade, but both players wanted to get out of their previous team, so it's easy to do the trade and then hope for the best result this season.

We can't argue that both players are still on their superstar status now, both teams certainly sees it's an opportunity to get a new player to lead their team, that's why they agreed. If by record of the player they acquire, Washington has the advantage of that trade as they got a previous MVP who average a triple double during the time if I'm not mistaken, but Westbrook has been declining lately, but who knows he can get back to his old self playing with the Wizard.

And this could be the last hurray for both of them, probably a good 2-3 years barring that no injury to Wall and Westbrook. So with a fresh new start, we might see a second wind to both of them 1st season and then after that we will see if they still got it to be on top of their game and still maintain that superstar status they have.

Win-win situation for both teams and players. And we might see Westbrook averaging triple triple again. And Wall averaging in the 20's ppg together with Harden.

I really like this quotation. The discussion has taken too long and I will continue this one to stretch for more.

Anyway, about the NBA players trading means that each team can get a chance of good spot in NBA play offs or Finals. But as long as Lebron James playing with lakers together with Davis and other contributing good players then they will have a very difficult way to achieve into the Finals and winnin against this team.

So, let Harden, westbrook, KD and Paul George back to OKC. Old good fellas should have return to the team where they started ad became known before being traded to other team.

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Quote from: Jating on December 03, 2020, 05:10:55 PM

Nah, I don't think that Washington will stick to the old play design for John Wall, they are totally different and it won't work on WB here. And it's the worst thing a coach will do, used a design play for other players. Coaches are smart and that's why they are there, to create a new tactic for WB alone.

And I agree, yeah, it's a weird trade, but both players wanted to get out of their previous team, so it's easy to do the trade and then hope for the best result this season.

With Wall out, it's Beal's team now and not WB.
He's a newcomer in the East and will look at him as a rookie again.
It's sad to see WB being passed on to different teams. He used to be a player that sticks in one team long term.
At 32 years old, he can still do so much, and yet he is being moved a lot being treated like he's already a veteran.

This is not really shocking news.
Anthony Davis signs new deal with Lakers
We all know he is signing back to the Lakers. We just don't know how much the contract will be.
So now its done.

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WB and Beal? Hmmm. I don't know if it will work. Harden and WB didn't work and it's almost the same.

I'll just bite my tounge this time around as I can't tell what could really be the outcome or if there's synergy on both of them, we'll see that once the new season starts. This time Harden will never leave the Rockets, I assume that will be the case.

This really have got to be one of the weirdest trade that somehow felt right at one moment. Westbrook bring brought to Washington means that he will be creating plays that was meant for Wall but I know that Wall is more clutch than Westbrook and maybe we can see some chemistry after some games.
Lets just hope all these managers are creating their best decisions to at least create a great season ahead.

Nah, I don't think that Washington will stick to the old play design for John Wall, they are totally different and it won't work on WB here. And it's the worst thing a coach will do, used a design play for other players. Coaches are smart and that's why they are there, to create a new tactic for WB alone.

And I agree, yeah, it's a weird trade, but both players wanted to get out of their previous team, so it's easy to do the trade and then hope for the best result this season.

We can't argue that both players are still on their superstar status now, both teams certainly sees it's an opportunity to get a new player to lead their team, that's why they agreed. If by record of the player they acquire, Washington has the advantage of that trade as they got a previous MVP who average a triple double during the time if I'm not mistaken, but Westbrook has been declining lately, but who knows he can get back to his old self playing with the Wizard.

And this could be the last hurray for both of them, probably a good 2-3 years barring that no injury to Wall and Westbrook. So with a fresh new start, we might see a second wind to both of them 1st season and then after that we will see if they still got it to be on top of their game and still maintain that superstar status they have.

Win-win situation for both teams and players. And we might see Westbrook averaging triple triple again. And Wall averaging in the 20's ppg together with Harden.

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Quote from: Reid on December 03, 2020, 12:33:59 AM

What!!!?
That's a bad trade in my opinion.
I don't know what the Wizards management is thinking about making this kind of decision.
Could they see the future that Wall might get injured again? Grin

So they'd rather take a non-prime WB than taking risk of another year of injury.
WB and Beal? Hmmm. I don't know if it will work. Harden and WB didn't work and it's almost the same.

It's a good trade for Wizards since aside from John Wall suffers a serious injury and not playing for 2 years already, he asked the Wizards to trade him. If a player asks for a trade, should be grant immediately as no reason at all for that player to remain on that team. And as far as I know, it's only Rockets and Pistons that negotiate for a trade.

Wall and Beal tandem are sharing the role together, same for what will happen on Westbrook and Beal tandem so the adjustment would not be difficult for them.

But even Wall isn't traded, the Wizards team as a whole is still considered as a team in the bottom next season compared to other teams in the East.

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WB and Beal? Hmmm. I don't know if it will work. Harden and WB didn't work and it's almost the same.

I'll just bite my tounge this time around as I can't tell what could really be the outcome or if there's synergy on both of them, we'll see that once the new season starts. This time Harden will never leave the Rockets, I assume that will be the case.

This really have got to be one of the weirdest trade that somehow felt right at one moment. Westbrook bring brought to Washington means that he will be creating plays that was meant for Wall but I know that Wall is more clutch than Westbrook and maybe we can see some chemistry after some games.
Lets just hope all these managers are creating their best decisions to at least create a great season ahead.

Nah, I don't think that Washington will stick to the old play design for John Wall, they are totally different and it won't work on WB here. And it's the worst thing a coach will do, used a design play for other players. Coaches are smart and that's why they are there, to create a new tactic for WB alone.

And I agree, yeah, it's a weird trade, but both players wanted to get out of their previous team, so it's easy to do the trade and then hope for the best result this season.

This is probably a good thing for Wall. D'Antoni likes playing real fast up and down and wall will do that well (if healthy). This might not be the last moves these teams make so it might be more clear as the season comes near.

I thought D'Antoni had already left the Rockets, so we can't expect the same style of play we've seen in the last season, it might not be a fast pace again, and a small type of play.

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WB and Beal? Hmmm. I don't know if it will work. Harden and WB didn't work and it's almost the same.

I'll just bite my tounge this time around as I can't tell what could really be the outcome or if there's synergy on both of them, we'll see that once the new season starts. This time Harden will never leave the Rockets, I assume that will be the case.

This really have got to be one of the weirdest trade that somehow felt right at one moment. Westbrook bring brought to Washington means that he will be creating plays that was meant for Wall but I know that Wall is more clutch than Westbrook and maybe we can see some chemistry after some games.
Lets just hope all these managers are creating their best decisions to at least create a great season ahead.

Nah, I don't think that Washington will stick to the old play design for John Wall, they are totally different and it won't work on WB here. And it's the worst thing a coach will do, used a design play for other players. Coaches are smart and that's why they are there, to create a new tactic for WB alone.

And I agree, yeah, it's a weird trade, but both players wanted to get out of their previous team, so it's easy to do the trade and then hope for the best result this season.

This is probably a good thing for Wall. D'Antoni likes playing real fast up and down and wall will do that well (if healthy). This might not be the last moves these teams make so it might be more clear as the season comes near.

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Quote from: Reid on December 03, 2020, 12:33:59 AM

WB and Beal? Hmmm. I don't know if it will work. Harden and WB didn't work and it's almost the same.

I'll just bite my tounge this time around as I can't tell what could really be the outcome or if there's synergy on both of them, we'll see that once the new season starts. This time Harden will never leave the Rockets, I assume that will be the case.

This really have got to be one of the weirdest trade that somehow felt right at one moment. Westbrook bring brought to Washington means that he will be creating plays that was meant for Wall but I know that Wall is more clutch than Westbrook and maybe we can see some chemistry after some games.
Lets just hope all these managers are creating their best decisions to at least create a great season ahead.

Nah, I don't think that Washington will stick to the old play design for John Wall, they are totally different and it won't work on WB here. And it's the worst thing a coach will do, used a design play for other players. Coaches are smart and that's why they are there, to create a new tactic for WB alone.

And I agree, yeah, it's a weird trade, but both players wanted to get out of their previous team, so it's easy to do the trade and then hope for the best result this season.

We can't argue that both players are still on their superstar status now, both teams certainly sees it's an opportunity to get a new player to lead their team, that's why they agreed. If by record of the player they acquire, Washington has the advantage of that trade as they got a previous MVP who average a triple double during the time if I'm not mistaken, but Westbrook has been declining lately, but who knows he can get back to his old self playing with the Wizard.

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WB and Beal? Hmmm. I don't know if it will work. Harden and WB didn't work and it's almost the same.

I'll just bite my tounge this time around as I can't tell what could really be the outcome or if there's synergy on both of them, we'll see that once the new season starts. This time Harden will never leave the Rockets, I assume that will be the case.

This really have got to be one of the weirdest trade that somehow felt right at one moment. Westbrook bring brought to Washington means that he will be creating plays that was meant for Wall but I know that Wall is more clutch than Westbrook and maybe we can see some chemistry after some games.
Lets just hope all these managers are creating their best decisions to at least create a great season ahead.

Nah, I don't think that Washington will stick to the old play design for John Wall, they are totally different and it won't work on WB here. And it's the worst thing a coach will do, used a design play for other players. Coaches are smart and that's why they are there, to create a new tactic for WB alone.

And I agree, yeah, it's a weird trade, but both players wanted to get out of their previous team, so it's easy to do the trade and then hope for the best result this season.

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Quote from: jostorres on December 03, 2020, 10:53:59 AM

I am not looking at wall-westbrook trade as good for one side or bad for another side, it makes no sense for me to at all, it is just a useless trade basically. Sure rockets "may" have taken the worse of the trade if wall is not as good as he used to be, this dude missed full 2 years of basketball, MJ took smaller break when he went and played baseball, just to remind you how long wall hasn't played.

However when he played, he was one of the fastest and he likes to pass so he could be actually a decent addition, or maybe he is worse and he won't be help at all. However westbrook is not that awesome neither, we saw that last year when they played. It means I could see this trade being nothing but useless, just exchange of bad assets at this point honestly.

That 2 years off is a LONG time in professional sports. He is going to take some time adjusting. I think for both teams this trade was a gamble. In the end the best part of the deal might be that first round pick if it ends up being a high lottery pick. Washington is gambling that wall isn't going to be his old self and houston is take a stab at it, all the while have a #1 if it falls flat and he gets hurt again. John wall always had promise but the dude can't stay on the court.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on December 03, 2020, 09:42:58 AM

The Lakers fans got another good news, and one more player has a huge contract. Anthony Davis decided to stay with the Lakers, and he is going to sign a maximum contract with them today. So, he will earn $190 mln for five years.

Lakers can't loose him.

The tandem of Lebron and Davis is still on.

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WB and Beal? Hmmm. I don't know if it will work. Harden and WB didn't work and it's almost the same.

I'll just bite my tounge this time around as I can't tell what could really be the outcome or if there's synergy on both of them, we'll see that once the new season starts. This time Harden will never leave the Rockets, I assume that will be the case.

This really have got to be one of the weirdest trade that somehow felt right at one moment. Westbrook bring brought to Washington means that he will be creating plays that was meant for Wall but I know that Wall is more clutch than Westbrook and maybe we can see some chemistry after some games.
Lets just hope all these managers are creating their best decisions to at least create a great season ahead.

We'll never know unless we see them inside the court together. It may be the same as with Harden's and WB's play but it could also be different. We wait until they play together.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on December 03, 2020, 12:46:58 AM

Quote from: Reid on December 03, 2020, 12:33:59 AM

WB and Beal? Hmmm. I don't know if it will work. Harden and WB didn't work and it's almost the same.

I'll just bite my tounge this time around as I can't tell what could really be the outcome or if there's synergy on both of them, we'll see that once the new season starts. This time Harden will never leave the Rockets, I assume that will be the case.

This really have got to be one of the weirdest trade that somehow felt right at one moment. Westbrook bring brought to Washington means that he will be creating plays that was meant for Wall but I know that Wall is more clutch than Westbrook and maybe we can see some chemistry after some games.
Lets just hope all these managers are creating their best decisions to at least create a great season ahead.

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With regards to them being a playoff contender, with their current roster I don't think so unless WB and Beal will be a good duo like AD-LBJ that they can carry the team as a whole.

Westbrook never had an effective duo, when he paired with, they were almost perfect but in reality they don't really have a good chemistry, that's why Durant wants out of OKC because he believe with Westbrook they will never win a championship. We also see Westbrook and PG tandem, it doesn't work because westbrook had an awful shooting percentage and bad decision making, same with Harden Tandem, so I don't really expect here.

Westbrook is good if he is the one who will just score, but then what would it lead to the team?

Thank you.
No disrespect to WB but I think that is how I will stretch it too. Grin

He had never been a good partner and he ain't a wingman too. He's good, there's no doubt about that but there is always something lacking in him.
A good center or a forward maybe a good choice to mix with him. But another point guard? Argh. I don't know.

Yeah, let's just see where this will go when the game starts.
I hope there is a betting line on how bad decisions are with all these trades.
Like, if the Wizards will have a 0-20 record then I win. Grin

JK

And I will bet with you too Grin

I've got same observation when KD left OKC, knowing that they are performing well and they almost beat the warriors in the second round. WB is just a scoring champion but not effective as a valuable teammate, he needs to adjust more if he wanted to win a title.

But from this trade, I see Rockets if they'll keep Haden they still have the advantage, Wall it's not the same as WB, he knows
how to pass the ball and work with his teammates, enough for Harden to keep his spot and do his usual routine.

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I am not looking at wall-westbrook trade as good for one side or bad for another side, it makes no sense for me to at all, it is just a useless trade basically. Sure rockets "may" have taken the worse of the trade if wall is not as good as he used to be, this dude missed full 2 years of basketball, MJ took smaller break when he went and played baseball, just to remind you how long wall hasn't played.

However when he played, he was one of the fastest and he likes to pass so he could be actually a decent addition, or maybe he is worse and he won't be help at all. However westbrook is not that awesome neither, we saw that last year when they played. It means I could see this trade being nothing but useless, just exchange of bad assets at this point honestly.

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