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May 15, 2020, 06:29:27 PM
They are both wanted the ball in the most crucial seconds of the game.

True, that separates these two from Lebron James because Lebron though has a very impressive stats but he is not a clutch player, sometimes it leads him to pass the last shot instead of taking the shot because I don't know maybe he is afraid to put the blame on him, and also his FT is not reliable, more on the crucial situation of the game.

That may be the reason behind it. The freethrow percentage. If he gets fouled then there is a high chance that the opponent can make a lead on the next ball possession.
But I do believe he have his moments too.
That fading to the sideline glass shot and a another fade away from the three point line where he almost stepped in the line.
If we break it all down, I think Kobe have the most clutch shots.
He had more years playing the game vs Jordan.

Lebron can still play and though at his age now, he still plays like an MVP candidate, he is not a double double guy who are consistent with his assists and I would not be surprise if he gets triple double in playoffs where he will be working hard as we have seen him in the past. I think about being clutch, it's already in the blood, all he needs to do is just not to make the game close so it will not mess the result, make his team more dominant so they will win with a wide margin, that way he will not feel the pressure.  Grin
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May 15, 2020, 02:48:15 PM

 Lebron shoots like 2/3 from three, he has around %70 free throw percentage, thats not really all that bad honestly, not great neither but it wouldn't really kill the momentum or anything. One more thing about Lebron that MJ and Kobe played with heart and fire and I am sure Lebron does too but not as much, whereas Lebron plays a lot with his brain, dude basically runs improvised plays on his mind for what happens and he tries to mimick the same thing so he could counter the defense. He also remembers the whole game in mind usually as well for a long time. I think Lebron could be at the top of talent/smart level, sure MJ or Kobe could be more talented who could say they are not, its an argument, but I do not remember any player who was more talented AND smarter than lebron as well, he is number one on that for sure.
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May 15, 2020, 02:39:10 PM
Let's not really overreact on the last second shot thingy, MJ has also passed to Kerr and Paxon when he had to as well in order to win.
Sometimes even if you are the best player on the team, passing the ball doesn't mean that you are not a killer or not a good player or anything, if someone else has a better chance of scoring and giving you the win, you prefer to go with that person to win the game instead of thinking all by yourself.

Michael Jordan helped Kobe as much as he can to improve Kobe's game and wanted him to move the game forward, and Kobe's last tweet was about how Lebron should move the game forward, and Lebron should want players after him to move the game forward. I do not think that players would want others to be like them, I think players will want younger generation to be better than them.
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May 15, 2020, 10:21:14 AM
They are both wanted the ball in the most crucial seconds of the game.

True, that separates these two from Lebron James because Lebron though has a very impressive stats but he is not a clutch player, sometimes it leads him to pass the last shot instead of taking the shot because I don't know maybe he is afraid to put the blame on him, and also his FT is not reliable, more on the crucial situation of the game.

That may be the reason behind it. The freethrow percentage. If he gets fouled then there is a high chance that the opponent can make a lead on the next ball possession.
But I do believe he have his moments too.
That fading to the sideline glass shot and a another fade away from the three point line where he almost stepped in the line.
If we break it all down, I think Kobe have the most clutch shots.
He had more years playing the game vs Jordan.
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May 15, 2020, 08:41:53 AM
They are both wanted the ball in the most crucial seconds of the game.

True, that separates these two from Lebron James because Lebron though has a very impressive stats but he is not a clutch player, sometimes it leads him to pass the last shot instead of taking the shot because I don't know maybe he is afraid to put the blame on him, and also his FT is not reliable, more on the crucial situation of the game.

But as Lebron continues to play, he will have a better record in paper but not in real achievement in big games or in the eyes of the people as clearly Kobe and Jordan carries their team to win championship, Lebron needs to pair with the best players to be able to do that, but with his team in the Lakers now, if he can bring this team to the championship and win, then maybe he will get the respect of the people.
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May 15, 2020, 07:25:36 AM
They are both wanted the ball in the most crucial seconds of the game.

True, that separates these two from Lebron James because Lebron though has a very impressive stats but he is not a clutch player, sometimes it leads him to pass the last shot instead of taking the shot because I don't know maybe he is afraid to put the blame on him, and also his FT is not reliable, more on the crucial situation of the game.
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May 15, 2020, 07:10:35 AM
I am surprise that LBJ got a better percent on the 3 point line, I thought he is not a good shooter though.

But those stats of Kobe and Jordan are the stats of the legit greats in NBA, it only says that they are good in attacking the paint, do jump shots and not relying much in 3 point shooting. They are athletic and they uses that to contribute to their respective team .

If I will to rank not basing on the stats but only based on what I see them playing during that time, I'd say Kobe is very close to Jordan..
Lebron, nahh...
Kobe imitates MJ and he really did a very good job. He's next to the GOAT from how he played this game, he proved that he really deserved everything
that he achieved, also not being biased I go with Kobe next in line with MJ. They are both wanted the ball in the most crucial seconds of the game.
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May 15, 2020, 07:07:15 AM
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Thoughts?


My rank for them when we talk about clutch is according on how you write it.
Michael at first, Kobe then Lebron.

They have their own strengths though.
Lebron could start the game already in fire while MJ and Kobe needs a little time to heat their engines.
But we are talking about a fourth quarter game. It needs a lot of confidence.
I vote for MJ. He can shoot or he can pass, it's difficult to defend those kind of players.
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May 15, 2020, 06:19:31 AM
I am surprise that LBJ got a better percent on the 3 point line, I thought he is not a good shooter though.

But those stats of Kobe and Jordan are the stats of the legit greats in NBA, it only says that they are good in attacking the paint, do jump shots and not relying much in 3 point shooting. They are athletic and they uses that to contribute to their respective team .

If I will to rank not basing on the stats but only based on what I see them playing during that time, I'd say Kobe is very close to Jordan..
Lebron, nahh...
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May 15, 2020, 06:07:39 AM
So, while looking for some MJ videos, I stumbled upon an interesting video review of clutch moments of him, and 2  other top NBA players that are often mentioned in GOAT talk.
Clutch parameters set by video creator:
1. Less than 5 minutes to go in the game ( plus potential OP)
2. Game within +/- 8 points

Clutch Review: Michael Jordan in the NBA Finals (1991-1998)
Total FG = 47-107 (44 fg%)
Total 2-PT FG =  46-97 (47 fg%)
Total 3-PT FG =  1-10 (10 fg%)

Clutch Review: Kobe Bryant in the NBA Finals (2000-2010)
Total FG = 33-82 (40 fg%)
Total 2-PT FG = 30-59 (51 fg%)
Total 3-PT FG = 3-23 (13 fg%)

Clutch Review: Lebron James in the NBA Finals (2007-2018)
Total FG = 31-91 (34 fg%)
Total 2-PT FG = 22-59 (37 fg%)
Total 3-PT FG = 9-32 (28 fg%)


For Jordan i knew he will excel at this aspect, but I must say that I am pleasantly surprised by Kobe's number in crucial parts of the game, somehow I thought his numbers would be much lower. Only thing that ruins it a bit are those 3 pts attempts, but most of those were forced. On the other hand, LeBron is not as clutch as I thought, and by many he is still considered as "greater" player than Kobe. One can argue that those parameters that are set might be more in favor of some players, and by changing it a bit we would get different percentages, but they are as they are.

Thoughts?
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May 15, 2020, 06:01:14 AM
What a lucky gift for teams who bounds in, if the league headed straight to playoffs.
Must be sad for those team close to 8th spot. And what hurts a lot is that, they got their salaries cut while the league took their opportunity on battling for their spot, what else would be disheartening than this  Huh ?

They are not robbed here, every decision is now down from careful evaluation, of course the situation will be considered, and if we will straight forward to the playoffs then I think the decision being paid is just fair for the players and for the fans, all we want is just to see the NBA resume their games.
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May 15, 2020, 04:18:44 AM
They are still not mentioning anything if there is a plan or changes in the format.
There is no time frame into when they could resume the league so there must be something there.
Like in case they go back July, how can they squeeze the remaining games in it?
What if August or September?

Yes, that was a big task. 15-20 games left to play this season are important especially at those teams battling in the bottom spot of the playoffs. And it's not that easy to decide if those teams from 12th to 15th, or let's say 13th to 15th will automatically be eliminated when NBA resumes.
It is kinda messed up down there having a couple of games left to play, for sure they would play with everything they got specially those team close on clinching the playoffs.

But reading the topic about salary deduction that will take effect on May 15th....
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If the league cancels the remainder of the regular season and jumps right into the playoffs, players likely will see the 25% paycheck reduction increase as high as 40%. If the league cancels the entire season, including the postseason, players are projected to lose more than $1 billion in total salary.

... it looks like the possibility of pushing through the playoffs without playing the remaining game this season is possible as they already fixed the terms for the pay cut just in case. I don't know how teams at the bottom will react to this if ever that plan of heading straight to Playoffs will be push.

It's really hard to decide when there is no timeline or at least good progress about the status of the pandemic virus.
What a lucky gift for teams who bounds in, if the league headed straight to playoffs.
Must be sad for those team close to 8th spot. And what hurts a lot is that, they got their salaries cut while the league took their opportunity on battling for their spot, what else would be disheartening than this  Huh ?
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May 14, 2020, 11:11:48 PM
Yes, that was a big task. 15-20 games left to play this season are important especially at those teams battling in the bottom spot of the playoffs. And it's not that easy to decide if those teams from 12th to 15th, or let's say 13th to 15th will automatically be eliminated when NBA resumes.

Specially this teams.
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They are all playing hard down there just to take that 8th spot and be on the playoffs.
But reading the topic about salary deduction that will take effect on May 15th....
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If the league cancels the remainder of the regular season and jumps right into the playoffs, players likely will see the 25% paycheck reduction increase as high as 40%. If the league cancels the entire season, including the postseason, players are projected to lose more than $1 billion in total salary.

... it looks like the possibility of pushing through the playoffs without playing the remaining game this season is possible as they already fixed the terms for the pay cut just in case. I don't know how teams at the bottom will react to this if ever that plan of heading straight to Playoffs will be push.

It's really hard to decide when there is no timeline or at least good progress about the status of the pandemic virus.
A lot of money is at stake.
This will hurt those players who are not being paid in 7 figures. They might have used up their salary and savings by now.
I just hope soon good news will come in USA. The number of infected is getting higher.
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May 14, 2020, 09:18:39 PM
I wonder what would have happened if what happened between Jordan/Pippen and Krause in this period. Think about like maybe Bob Myers (gm of warriors) coming off from 2 straight rings in 2017 and 2018 and on the third year he says that Steve Kerr will be fired no matter what happens in the end of the season even if Curry leaves because of it. Think about what would be the social media response, think about all reddit topics, think about what media would do, basically everything would have been different, back in those days there was media and it made it to news but it couldn't be nowhere near like today, right now basically everything is online and everyone has an account to talk about these together. Its really something major that just happened and wasn't as big part of the NBA history when Jordan is talked about, maybe from now on it might be.

Of course every social media platforms will "feasted" on that news. However, as portray in the Last Dance, there's a lot of animosity going on between the players and the management. It's just these people are really professionals and are focus on one goal, to win another championships regardless of their internal bickerings.

And speaking of Jordan, his basketball reference, you can find Last Dance Viewer's guide: https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/last-dance-viewers-guide.html. Not sure if everyone is aware of it.
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May 14, 2020, 03:43:54 PM
They are still not mentioning anything if there is a plan or changes in the format.
There is no time frame into when they could resume the league so there must be something there.
Like in case they go back July, how can they squeeze the remaining games in it?
What if August or September?

Yes, that was a big task. 15-20 games left to play this season are important especially at those teams battling in the bottom spot of the playoffs. And it's not that easy to decide if those teams from 12th to 15th, or let's say 13th to 15th will automatically be eliminated when NBA resumes.

But reading the topic about salary deduction that will take effect on May 15th....
Quote
If the league cancels the remainder of the regular season and jumps right into the playoffs, players likely will see the 25% paycheck reduction increase as high as 40%. If the league cancels the entire season, including the postseason, players are projected to lose more than $1 billion in total salary.

... it looks like the possibility of pushing through the playoffs without playing the remaining game this season is possible as they already fixed the terms for the pay cut just in case. I don't know how teams at the bottom will react to this if ever that plan of heading straight to Playoffs will be push.

It's really hard to decide when there is no timeline or at least good progress about the status of the pandemic virus.
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May 14, 2020, 03:00:59 PM

 They could potentially act as if a positive test result is like an injury and just send that player home to recover until he is better, while also testing all players constantly. Testing could lead a result in just few hours nowadays, it really improved very quickly (one of the reasons why I think vaccine will be ready quicker than all estimates) and that means you could literally test everyone at morning, get a result by noon, make them train, and on game days, do the testing even twice, one at morning, on at late afternoon right before kick-off should get the second results.

 That way you would basically not have any players either be positive, or even if there is a positive one they wouldn't be able to sit together or play together when they have the illness since they will have to wait for the results until they can play, if the result comes back negative they can go out and play, that way they will be capable of making sure nobody is sick.
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May 14, 2020, 12:36:45 PM
I wonder what would have happened if what happened between Jordan/Pippen and Krause in this period. Think about like maybe Bob Myers (gm of warriors) coming off from 2 straight rings in 2017 and 2018 and on the third year he says that Steve Kerr will be fired no matter what happens in the end of the season even if Curry leaves because of it. Think about what would be the social media response, think about all reddit topics, think about what media would do, basically everything would have been different, back in those days there was media and it made it to news but it couldn't be nowhere near like today, right now basically everything is online and everyone has an account to talk about these together. Its really something major that just happened and wasn't as big part of the NBA history when Jordan is talked about, maybe from now on it might be.
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May 14, 2020, 11:23:28 AM
Being optimistic about it.

About the format.
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A few ideas have reportedly been floated, such as having a play-in tournament to give more teams a chance to make the playoffs, but it’s hard to even consider ideas for playoff formats when the basics are still undecided. Wojnarowski reported that the NBA has yet to figure out if all 30 teams will return when the NBA restarts, or if any of the remaining regular-season games will be played at all. Teams have 15-20 games left to play this season.

They are still not mentioning anything if there is a plan or changes in the format.
There is no time frame into when they could resume the league so there must be something there.
Like in case they go back July, how can they squeeze the remaining games in it?
What if August or September?
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May 14, 2020, 09:56:10 AM
NBA restart reportedly gaining momentum, but positive COVID-19 tests still major concern

Discussions centered on health and safety concerns, including the goal of getting team officials and players comfortable with the idea that a positive test for the coronavirus upon a return would not shutter play. Silver told those on the call that if a positive test would "shut us down, we probably shouldn't go down this path."

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-restart-reportedly-gaining-momentum-but-positive-covid-19-tests-still-major-concern-134614383.html
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May 13, 2020, 11:14:43 PM
There is just too much tension and a lot had been revealed in it.
He also considered what will others feel if the film will go out.
I knew that there was some tension between Jordan, Pippen and Krause, but I had no idea  it was that complicated. Back then we didn't get many news from NBA here in Europe, all we had were newspapers and that NBA Inside Stuff show. When you think that Bulls could have won few more titles, if there was more consideration. Like when Kobe and Shaq split, if they stayed  together they could have won few more titles together.
It's like of those locker room stories. But this one is something big.
Didn't even expect that either.
What good timing too, people are in lock down and like waiting for an episode of GOT.  Grin
I just hope that last 2 episodes of The Last Dance won't be as bad as last season of GOT Wink.
Wahahaha
You don't like good endings? Something dramatic or happily ever after?  Grin
The other reason, is I hate buffering. I might break my television when I throw the TV remote.  Grin
Dunno, but in general Netflix is not that demanding when it comes to bandwidth so if you have at least 10 mb DL, you shouldn't have issues.  Well, unless you are streaming 4k HDR stuff. Only issue is if The Last Dance is not available in your country, but even that can be sorted with good VPN.
No, I think it is my android black box which is having problems.
It ain't the new stuff out there that can use 4k.
Also, I think it has issues with its WIFI connection. It's slow but when I use my smartphone I can read a stable connection.
Yeah, VPN might really help.
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