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Quote from: Questat on January 29, 2020, 05:40:50 PM

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And then levelling up like Lebron, might take lots of games though, to see him carrying the ball and orchestrating the offense from the outside, but everything is in baby steps for him and the Bucks.

To level with Lebron, Giannis has to prove that he can win championship first, if they will be more successful this season and win in the East and will happen that Bucks and Lakers will face in the finals, then that's the time to prove he can level by defeating the king.

I'm sure every team in the NBA is chasing or wanting to become a champion not just Giannis. We can't really tell the future, but we all witnessed the he and the Bucks are trying to push themselves this year or the next years to come to become a champion.

It's a long way to go but we will see, it's going to be tough for him when Lebron is still around. But if he can win one at this era wherein James is still playing then it will add up to his legacy in the future.

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I'm hoping the knicks are smart and move some of their veterans pieces at the deadline for some either young players or draft capital. No need to keep Morris on the team and a fringe title contender would definately want him. Hopefully they arent dumb enough to keep these guys around for what is essentially another lost season.

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Quote from: Natalim on January 29, 2020, 07:52:19 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on January 29, 2020, 07:46:16 AM

It will be a different playoffs now for the Bucks as Giannis can shoot threes now.

The question is, if he will be given a good looks, their opponent knows his capabilities, last playoffs the Raptors put good defense on Giannis but putting two defender on him and sometimes even 3 and that made him struggle, so as the whole team.

This is NBA, they would be expecting this so obviously they will be making strategies amd plays that will maybe break that three defenders or making an allternative offense not focussing on Giannis. They have Korver and Hill, they can score outside and inside so I don't think that it is a problem, it is the matter of how would they be composed on that hard game.

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Quote from: justdimin on January 30, 2020, 12:21:53 PM

That is still quite young and I am sure he can improve, Lebron added shooting to his game like after 30 years old, so I am sure Giannis can improve, however how he plays is obvious to everyone now and its rarely ever possible to stop him, so what makes people think he will somehow change the awesome unstoppable way he has and somehow become something else?

It seems you have forgotten how the Raptors stopped Giannis in the 2019 conference finals. All they needed to do is block the driving lane of Giannis, denying him the paint and he is totally shut off.

Quote from: justdimin on January 30, 2020, 12:21:53 PM

I doubt that is even logical let alone possible. Definitely, he can suddenly start practicing shooting fadeaways more and with the reach and arms and height he has became an improved version of Nowitzki but does he need it? Dude already can do whatever he wants, its really mental to thing he needs to improve from his current self.

There is nothing wrong with improving and becoming a better version of yourself as a player. Adding shooting, whether fadeaways or not, is a good arsenal for a basketball player. What mental is thinking that he is too good to need to improve his game? Becoming stagnant is how you become obsolete in the game. It is better for him to learn it now, do it now. It does not matter if he needs it now or not. What matters is that he keeps on improving himself until he reaches his maximum potential. And use that full potential to bring in the chip to Milwaukee.

That and kawhi leonard. Blocking the lane on giannis simply wont cut it this year. The bucks are a different team this year than last. They are Dominant in multiple ways. They can beat almost anyone without Giannis which is scary. He definately learned from last year and dont think a simple solution will shut him or the bucks down.

They do learn something on last year and now they do really improve their play execution which cant hardly be stopped.Good thing on the team is that even their main player isnt playing
they do still able to win a particular game without seeing the glimpse on a hardship situation.

@jakelyson, each player would really have that thing in mind always on how he would improve himself no matter what the course he would take.
Back on last year that Giannis do really have that poor shooting success on outside but now we are seeing the different thing.

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Quote from: jakelyson on January 30, 2020, 12:40:36 PM

Quote from: justdimin on January 30, 2020, 12:21:53 PM

That is still quite young and I am sure he can improve, Lebron added shooting to his game like after 30 years old, so I am sure Giannis can improve, however how he plays is obvious to everyone now and its rarely ever possible to stop him, so what makes people think he will somehow change the awesome unstoppable way he has and somehow become something else?

It seems you have forgotten how the Raptors stopped Giannis in the 2019 conference finals. All they needed to do is block the driving lane of Giannis, denying him the paint and he is totally shut off.

Quote from: justdimin on January 30, 2020, 12:21:53 PM

I doubt that is even logical let alone possible. Definitely, he can suddenly start practicing shooting fadeaways more and with the reach and arms and height he has became an improved version of Nowitzki but does he need it? Dude already can do whatever he wants, its really mental to thing he needs to improve from his current self.

There is nothing wrong with improving and becoming a better version of yourself as a player. Adding shooting, whether fadeaways or not, is a good arsenal for a basketball player. What mental is thinking that he is too good to need to improve his game? Becoming stagnant is how you become obsolete in the game. It is better for him to learn it now, do it now. It does not matter if he needs it now or not. What matters is that he keeps on improving himself until he reaches his maximum potential. And use that full potential to bring in the chip to Milwaukee.

That and kawhi leonard. Blocking the lane on giannis simply wont cut it this year. The bucks are a different team this year than last. They are Dominant in multiple ways. They can beat almost anyone without Giannis which is scary. He definately learned from last year and dont think a simple solution will shut him or the bucks down.

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Quote from: justdimin on January 30, 2020, 12:21:53 PM

... however how he plays is obvious to everyone now and its rarely ever possible to stop him, so what makes people think he will somehow change the awesome unstoppable way he has and somehow become something else?

It is easy to stop Giannis if only by words. Block his usual path then deny. But that solution requires a team effort and Raptors last year playoffs, successfully do it and managed to slow down Giannis. Giannis already knows that hole and takes note of it after they got eliminated that's why this season we have seen him changing his phase sometimes. A good opportunity to shift into something else rather than sticking into his usual.

Quote from: justdimin on January 30, 2020, 12:21:53 PM

Dude already can do whatever he wants, its really mental to thing he needs to improve from his current self.

He really needs too. 5 to 6 years from now, his body will not be the same.

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Quote from: jakelyson on January 30, 2020, 12:40:36 PM

Quote from: justdimin on January 30, 2020, 12:21:53 PM

That is still quite young and I am sure he can improve, Lebron added shooting to his game like after 30 years old, so I am sure Giannis can improve, however how he plays is obvious to everyone now and its rarely ever possible to stop him, so what makes people think he will somehow change the awesome unstoppable way he has and somehow become something else?

It seems you have forgotten how the Raptors stopped Giannis in the 2019 conference finals. All they needed to do is block the driving lane of Giannis, denying him the paint and he is totally shut off.

Quote from: justdimin on January 30, 2020, 12:21:53 PM

I doubt that is even logical let alone possible. Definitely, he can suddenly start practicing shooting fadeaways more and with the reach and arms and height he has became an improved version of Nowitzki but does he need it? Dude already can do whatever he wants, its really mental to thing he needs to improve from his current self.

There is nothing wrong with improving and becoming a better version of yourself as a player. Adding shooting, whether fadeaways or not, is a good arsenal for a basketball player. What mental is thinking that he is too good to need to improve his game? Becoming stagnant is how you become obsolete in the game. It is better for him to learn it now, do it now. It does not matter if he needs it now or not. What matters is that he keeps on improving himself until he reaches his maximum potential. And use that full potential to bring in the chip to Milwaukee.

Everybody has the potential to be the next grand champion this in coming 2020 NBA playoffs because all of the teams and players are competitive enough and also they have the same reasons to fight for. Even if my favorite team is Golden State Warriors, I know there will be the time that they are will be defeated on playoffs like what happened last year because every year is unpredictable because all of the teams and players are too good to win.

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Quote from: justdimin on January 30, 2020, 12:21:53 PM

That is still quite young and I am sure he can improve, Lebron added shooting to his game like after 30 years old, so I am sure Giannis can improve, however how he plays is obvious to everyone now and its rarely ever possible to stop him, so what makes people think he will somehow change the awesome unstoppable way he has and somehow become something else?

It seems you have forgotten how the Raptors stopped Giannis in the 2019 conference finals. All they needed to do is block the driving lane of Giannis, denying him the paint and he is totally shut off.

Quote from: justdimin on January 30, 2020, 12:21:53 PM

I doubt that is even logical let alone possible. Definitely, he can suddenly start practicing shooting fadeaways more and with the reach and arms and height he has became an improved version of Nowitzki but does he need it? Dude already can do whatever he wants, its really mental to thing he needs to improve from his current self.

There is nothing wrong with improving and becoming a better version of yourself as a player. Adding shooting, whether fadeaways or not, is a good arsenal for a basketball player. What mental is thinking that he is too good to need to improve his game? Becoming stagnant is how you become obsolete in the game. It is better for him to learn it now, do it now. It does not matter if he needs it now or not. What matters is that he keeps on improving himself until he reaches his maximum potential. And use that full potential to bring in the chip to Milwaukee.

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Those whole "Giannis is just too young" things are getting a bit out of hand really, dude is what now 25-26? That is still quite young and I am sure he can improve, Lebron added shooting to his game like after 30 years old, so I am sure Giannis can improve, however how he plays is obvious to everyone now and its rarely ever possible to stop him, so what makes people think he will somehow change the awesome unstoppable way he has and somehow become something else?

I doubt that is even logical let alone possible. Definitely, he can suddenly start practicing shooting fadeaways more and with the reach and arms and height he has became an improved version of Nowitzki but does he need it? Dude already can do whatever he wants, its really mental to thing he needs to improve from his current self.

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Quote from: Questat on January 29, 2020, 05:40:50 PM

Quote from: TravelMug on January 29, 2020, 05:34:13 PM

And then levelling up like Lebron, might take lots of games though, to see him carrying the ball and orchestrating the offense from the outside, but everything is in baby steps for him and the Bucks.

To level with Lebron, Giannis has to prove that he can win championship first, if they will be more successful this season and win in the East and will happen that Bucks and Lakers will face in the finals, then that's the time to prove he can level by defeating the king.

There's no way Giannis is at LeBron's level. Man he never got into any GOAT conversations yet. With addition to that, you're absolutely right he never win a championship yet. And for that, he needs to become the king of the east as LeBron did on most years on his career. Yes some of you might say that Giannis has already did that by being the first seed of the east, did he even carried his team for a long stretch in playoffs? I don't think so. He even got into a conversation in which it's between Stephen A. and the other white guy. The white guy is saying that Giannis is better than Durant but Stephen A is the most convincing one saying that Durant is the better player than Giannis.

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Quote from: Questat on January 29, 2020, 05:40:50 PM

Quote from: TravelMug on January 29, 2020, 05:34:13 PM

And then levelling up like Lebron, might take lots of games though, to see him carrying the ball and orchestrating the offense from the outside, but everything is in baby steps for him and the Bucks.

To level with Lebron, Giannis has to prove that he can win championship first, if they will be more successful this season and win in the East and will happen that Bucks and Lakers will face in the finals, then that's the time to prove he can level by defeating the king.

I go with that, Giannis needs to reached the finals and try winning it. If in case he'll be facing Lebron that might be the good time to compete and bring
everything out in trying to get the world champ trophy.
It's still a long way to go and a lots of twist to happen lets all wait if this two stars will face the finals.

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Quote from: Reid on January 30, 2020, 05:31:22 AM

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Thanks for sharing the betting odds.

if you like you can join our discussion in this thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5091185.2160;topicseen

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6 games tomorrow but there are some good handicaps.

Cavs +9.5 @ 2.0 vs Raptors Mark Gasol and Hollis-Jefferson both will not play for this game.

Hawks +6.5 @ 2.1 vs 76ers Mike Scott and Al Horford are both questionable.

GSW +12.5 @ 1.89 vs Celtics this can be a win. Tatum with groin injury and Kanter with hip injury both are out for the game.

Clipper vs Kings +12.5 @ 1.85 George and Beverly are both questionable to play but there is still a possibility.

Put your bets.
I didn't mention 2 games because those may become good matches and is difficult to predict.

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Quote from: Questat on January 29, 2020, 05:40:50 PM

Quote from: TravelMug on January 29, 2020, 05:34:13 PM

And then levelling up like Lebron, might take lots of games though, to see him carrying the ball and orchestrating the offense from the outside, but everything is in baby steps for him and the Bucks.

To level with Lebron, Giannis has to prove that he can win championship first, if they will be more successful this season and win in the East and will happen that Bucks and Lakers will face in the finals, then that's the time to prove he can level by defeating the king.

Giannis is still young, he has still a long way to go (If he can't win it all this year). I know the right time comes for him. What he needs the most is strong leadership. He already have almost everything, he's unstoppable and keeps on improving every year. If the Bucks management can't provide him a championship caliber team, then It would be much wiser for him if he switch team that he knows capable of winning the championship, If he wants to win a ring.

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Quote from: Natalim on January 29, 2020, 07:52:19 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on January 29, 2020, 07:46:16 AM

It will be a different playoffs now for the Bucks as Giannis can shoot threes now.

The question is, if he will be given a good looks, their opponent knows his capabilities, last playoffs the Raptors put good defense on Giannis but putting two defender on him and sometimes even 3 and that made him struggle, so as the whole team.

There is a difference.
Try to look at replays of the past year.
The defense of the Raptors back then is 3 players waiting at the painted area.
They are leaving him in the three point line. Letting him shoot for a smaller percentage to make it.
Now, they will need 1 player to defend him on the three point line. That means more space for the painted area while other team mates could be free.
His passing ability should also be improved.

Quote from: Questat on January 29, 2020, 05:40:50 PM

Quote from: TravelMug on January 29, 2020, 05:34:13 PM

And then levelling up like Lebron, might take lots of games though, to see him carrying the ball and orchestrating the offense from the outside, but everything is in baby steps for him and the Bucks.

To level with Lebron, Giannis has to prove that he can win championship first, if they will be more successful this season and win in the East and will happen that Bucks and Lakers will face in the finals, then that's the time to prove he can level by defeating the king.

Experience and proof. That is what Lebron made for his history to be in the books now.
Giannis needs more of that.
It is also a different era now and he could be the future of it while Lebron may become the next who will be sitting on the sidelines watching them play.
But, that may take more years. He is really not showing any weakness now. Grin

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Quote from: TravelMug on January 29, 2020, 05:34:13 PM

And then levelling up like Lebron, might take lots of games though, to see him carrying the ball and orchestrating the offense from the outside, but everything is in baby steps for him and the Bucks.

To level with Lebron, Giannis has to prove that he can win championship first, if they will be more successful this season and win in the East and will happen that Bucks and Lakers will face in the finals, then that's the time to prove he can level by defeating the king.

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Quote from: Sanitough on January 29, 2020, 08:10:28 AM

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Right, as playoffs are different atmosphere and the defense is tighter than regular games. I think if Giannis will play more as facilitator just like LeBron or maybe the Bucks can bring someone who can be a sidekick of Giannis, then that would be a different story.

They'll have to work on that, and I think they've been starting experimenting on that, one proof is when they keep winning huge market even when Giannis is not playing, hopefully this kind of confidence and the trust on his teammates is something they can bring comes playoffs time.

Right, I think Giannis is doing some experimenting, we see him going inside the paint, attracting the defense and then throwing outside for open teammates. I think that's the first stage of him being a facilitator.

And then levelling up like Lebron, might take lots of games though, to see him carrying the ball and orchestrating the offense from the outside, but everything is in baby steps for him and the Bucks.

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Quote from: Natalim on January 29, 2020, 07:52:19 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on January 29, 2020, 07:46:16 AM

It will be a different playoffs now for the Bucks as Giannis can shoot threes now.

The question is, if he will be given a good looks, their opponent knows his capabilities, last playoffs the Raptors put good defense on Giannis but putting two defender on him and sometimes even 3 and that made him struggle, so as the whole team.

It still depends on how tight the double/triple team defense. If this could be very effective then you can definitely freeze Giannis. However this is a very risky move on the part of the opposing team because a wide gap of space will be created which can take advantage by his teammates especially their gunners like Middleton and Korver. But if you will not double team then he will get easily go through the basket. Hmm, for sure coaches from the other teams are now having headache in making strategies hahaha Grin

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Like I said, it happened last year against the Raptors, they did a pretty good job of containing Giannis, the first two games Giannis was still very effective so the series started with 2-0 standing then after that, Bucks never win a single game until they got eliminated because they can't or they didn't adjust to the strategy employed by the Raptors.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on January 29, 2020, 07:46:16 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on January 29, 2020, 06:56:14 AM

Quote from: Kasabus on January 29, 2020, 05:21:18 AM

They'll have to pass the East competition first, last playoffs, they didn't win against the Raptors.

Im also waiting for Milwaukee Bucks if they can finally get the Eastern Conference Champion now and step on the finals that they always work hard every year.

I also noticed that for everytime Giannis and the Bucks got eliminated in the Playoffs, they are literally changing the other season and comes back much stronger.

Yes, the first difference is the attack of Giannis.
They might be looking at old films at how defense was being done to him and so they find ways.
This is the good thing about the coaching staff.
Some of them focus on offense and some do the defense to balance everything.

It will be a different playoffs now for the Bucks as Giannis can shoot threes now.

This is what do really really surprises me wayback where i didnt even expect that Giannis would able to shoot threes
and that all starts on a particular game ( cant remember which team) but the shooting accuracy is somewhat high
which means this kind of versatility play would really be hard on opponents side yet you dont know on which angle he
would attack and make points its either on the paint or on outside.

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I guess getting another superstar to Bucks could be easier to get Giannis to go to another team. I mean Bucks have a lot of great side pieces, they have Bledsoe, they have Middleton, they have brook Lopez, these are all great guys to be used on a trade if they want to, not like they would want to have 2 superstars and nobody else but at the same time if you can get a player like lets say harden (I know that won't happen but I am just giving an example) wouldn't you give up on all of those guys? You would in a second.

Giannis and coach Bud already built something in Bucks and they are already in the first seed and playing awesome and they do have a chance to actually go to Finals this year, that will be a big thing for them, maybe they will lose but at least they will reach that level for the first time. After that its easy to get free agents, eastern conference is famous for being weaker and with bucks reaching finals they will basically be best east team that gets better and better.

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