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January 27, 2024, 07:13:57 AM
In fact, 70 points is not a very difficult goal to reach, especially in today's NBA matches, it is an achievable goal. In the past, teams would defend and try to win matches with their defense. Right now, everyone is trying to score more points and increase their 3-point percentage. There is a serious difference between old basketball and current basketball.

When we look at the statistics, we see that NBA teams scored around 95 points per game in 2001. According to the same statistics, teams started scoring 120 points in 2021. You can see how serious the difference is.

That's why 70 points scored 20 years ago are much more valuable than they are now. Of course, Doncic showed a great performance and like everyone else, I like his playing style very much, but it is not right to compare some things Smiley

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https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2001_standings.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_standings.html
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January 27, 2024, 07:13:06 AM
Is this the new meta currently in the NBA where players are trying to break their own records and having an all time high with their career performances?

Anyway, it's actually a good start when we've seen these career high records up to 70+ points. And we might see some breaking records where they could reach 80+ points and so on.

It's like always a show time when there's a player trying to go along with these records.

With the present NBA style where ball movement is more emphasize, we can only see few players getting 70+ in their games, and although Luka, Embiid have reach 70+ in their past games, I doubt they'll be able to break that this season. It's not a norm now and sometimes when a players scores a lot, it will ruined the chemistry of the team especially if he is doing that every game. It will become an individual build up instead of a team.

I even doubt that the record of Kobe which is 81 points will be broken anytime soon. We know Kobe loves to shot, he loves to carry his team but things have really change a lot not, teams value teamwork more than individual work.
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January 27, 2024, 07:05:15 AM
Almost the same way Steph Curry fumbled the ball on the last possession against the Sacramento Kings with a chance to win the game, Devin Booker did the same tonight as he lost the ball at the last possession of the Phoenix Suns against the Indiana Pacers. Also, that's one heck of a defense from Aaron Nesmith, he made sure that he would try to challenge the last shot of Booker even though there was not enough time.
I thought they would give it to KD but Booker was so hot with 62 points. Still, thumbs up to Coach Rick Carlisle, he called one more timeout because he tried to compose his players, they may have also predicted that it would be passed to Booker.
Obi Toppin made the winning shot, a lucky rebound, the ball fell right in front of him.  Cheesy
That ended the 7 winning streak of the Phoenix Suns. Good job for the young Pacers team even without Haliburton.

The Mavs versus Hawks in this rivalry week was also entertaining especially to those who like watching offensive battles.
Luka Doncic with 73 points, Wow!  Shocked 41 1st half points.
After a bad defeat against their rival Phoenix Suns, he poured everything against the other rival Hawks.
Embiid, Luka, and Booker.
Are we even playing defense? Cheesy Well, it sure is entertaining for the new kind of NBA and I bet the Hawks fans are stunned with what happened.
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January 27, 2024, 07:04:55 AM
Is this the new meta currently in the NBA where players are trying to break their own records and having an all time high with their career performances?

Anyway, it's actually a good start when we've seen these career high records up to 70+ points. And we might see some breaking records where they could reach 80+ points and so on.

It's like always a show time when there's a player trying to go along with these records.
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January 27, 2024, 07:00:33 AM

It was certainly an impressive performance by Luka, just like the performance by Booker and the recent performances by Embiid and KAT. But every time I see some top players scoring 50/60/70+ points a game, I wonder what the hell their opponents were doing on defense throughout the game. Huh
As for that Wilt Chamberlain record, I also think it's out of reach for current players.

Don’t be surprised about that high scoring because NBA is focus on offense these days rather than defense. Offense is now their defense that’s why you will notice that scoring on games is always high by both team.

Even with 73 pts by Doncic, they only won by 5 points against the Hawks that they are both not having any defense on the game. It’s like watching an all star game making players free to attack. I believe only playoffs games matters now because that’s the only time coaches focus on defense.
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January 27, 2024, 06:50:19 AM
Luka Doncic!!! He really wanted to break the post Kobe scoring record held by Devon Booker and he pulled it off tonight. WOW. 73 points and a victory. Between Joel Embiid’s performance earlier in the week and now this you have to wonder if this signals a bit of a change in how defenses are defending stars. Will anyone ever break Wilt’s mark?
I didn't watch the game, and I thought that it happened on the home court of the Mavericks, but when I saw a video on Facebook, and in that video, I saw that it happened on the Hawks' home court, I wonder what the GM of the Hawks is thinking now that they traded Luka for Trae Young. Cheesy

Anyway, the father-and-son duo of Luka, and Booker made history as they're the 5th players to score more than 60+ points in a single game. Just a few weeks ago, we saw KAT and Embiid doing it. Luka's 73 point is tied on the 4th spot (3 scored 73 points, 2 is from Wilt, and the other is a player named David Thompson). Well, it seems like the league really is changing, and focusing more on offense more than defense.

Now the big question is, will there be a time where the scoring record of 100 points of Wilt Chamberlain be broken? TBH, it's hard to answer knowing that the players right now are just a few points away from beating the late Kobe's scoring record of 81, but IMO, they can't do it. Too high, and too far though there is a factor that can help a player reaching 100 points and that is if the game go to overtime. Kobe's record of 81 is reachable, and I will not be surprised if it will get surpassed this season just by looking on how high the points of teams are right now.

It was certainly an impressive performance by Luka, just like the performance by Booker and the recent performances by Embiid and KAT. But every time I see some top players scoring 50/60/70+ points a game, I wonder what the hell their opponents were doing on defense throughout the game. Huh
As for that Wilt Chamberlain record, I also think it's out of reach for current players.
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January 27, 2024, 04:10:50 AM
I think Luka's 73 points are FAR more impressive than the 70 by Embiid.

Let's compare the stats:

FG: Luka 25/33  Embiid: 24/41  -> Luka with 8 shots less but 1FG made more and much higher efficacy
FTs: Luka 15/16  Embiid: 21/23 -> Embiid more FTs, also speaks for Luka's 73 points
MIN: Luka 45min. Embiid 37min -> Luke with 8 minutes more on the court, a case for Embiid

The we have the other things, Embiid played at home versus the 2nd worst team in the NBA, Luka played away at an also bad team but still the Hawks have 10 more wins than the Spurs.
Hawks is not really a bad team, they are almost the same standing with the Mavericks. The recent struggle of the Hawks was cause by Trae Young's absent, and now that he's back, the game is interesting as they could have win that game too. Luka just having a great night, more shooting than passing, I think he is more effective that way especially if the defense is not so tight or he is not being double team.


Nah man, Dallas and the Hawks have a quite big gap between each other. 7 wins more after 45 games is quite a bit so putting them in a categorie close to each other is not fitting in my opinion.
The Mavs are sitting at 25:20 but the Hawks are 18:27 . AND Dallas plays in the west, that also means something since the west is definitely stronger, just look at the records of the play in teams at the moment.

By the way, Trae was out 5 games the whole season and only 3 games in the past over 20 games. They struggle because they are a bad team, not because Trae was out 3 games.

Anyway, let's see how many high scoring outputs we will see next week. This week was just insane and it's not even over yet.


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January 27, 2024, 03:59:06 AM
I think Luka's 73 points are FAR more impressive than the 70 by Embiid.

Let's compare the stats:

FG: Luka 25/33  Embiid: 24/41  -> Luka with 8 shots less but 1FG made more and much higher efficacy
FTs: Luka 15/16  Embiid: 21/23 -> Embiid more FTs, also speaks for Luka's 73 points
MIN: Luka 45min. Embiid 37min -> Luke with 8 minutes more on the court, a case for Embiid

The we have the other things, Embiid played at home versus the 2nd worst team in the NBA, Luka played away at an also bad team but still the Hawks have 10 more wins than the Spurs.
Hawks is not really a bad team, they are almost the same standing with the Mavericks. The recent struggle of the Hawks was cause by Trae Young's absent, and now that he's back, the game is interesting as they could have win that game too. Luka just having a great night, more shooting than passing, I think he is more effective that way especially if the defense is not so tight or he is not being double team.


In my opinion Luka's 73 are much higher than Embiid's 70. Sure Embiid played 8min less but looking how easy he could score in the paint against these bad defenders of the Spurs, Luke had to fight much harder to get these 73. Also shooting 8 times less is a statement, 25/33 is just insane, especially the 17/20 from 2 point range!!

This is not a case for Argument as obviously Luka has more points, better FG percentage and up against a competitive team. Luka can do more IMO, but with the way he played, he is not unselfish that's why he makes his teammates better as well. That win was without Kyrie Irving, he single handedly carry the team but overall their FG shooting is still impressive.
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January 27, 2024, 03:51:08 AM
I think Luka's 73 points are FAR more impressive than the 70 by Embiid.

Let's compare the stats:

FG: Luka 25/33  Embiid: 24/41  -> Luka with 8 shots less but 1FG made more and much higher efficacy
FTs: Luka 15/16  Embiid: 21/23 -> Embiid more FTs, also speaks for Luka's 73 points
MIN: Luka 45min. Embiid 37min -> Luke with 8 minutes more on the court, a case for Embiid

The we have the other things, Embiid played at home versus the 2nd worst team in the NBA, Luka played away at an also bad team but still the Hawks have 10 more wins than the Spurs.

In my opinion Luka's 73 are much higher than Embiid's 70. Sure Embiid played 8min less but looking how easy he could score in the paint against these bad defenders of the Spurs, Luke had to fight much harder to get these 73. Also shooting 8 times less is a statement, 25/33 is just insane, especially the 17/20 from 2 point range!!
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January 27, 2024, 03:33:02 AM
Luka Doncic!!! He really wanted to break the post Kobe scoring record held by Devon Booker and he pulled it off tonight. WOW. 73 points and a victory. Between Joel Embiid’s performance earlier in the week and now this you have to wonder if this signals a bit of a change in how defenses are defending stars. Will anyone ever break Wilt’s mark?
I didn't watch the game, and I thought that it happened on the home court of the Mavericks, but when I saw a video on Facebook, and in that video, I saw that it happened on the Hawks' home court, I wonder what the GM of the Hawks is thinking now that they traded Luka for Trae Young. Cheesy

Anyway, the father-and-son duo of Luka, and Booker made history as they're the 5th players to score more than 60+ points in a single game. Just a few weeks ago, we saw KAT and Embiid doing it. Luka's 73 point is tied on the 4th spot (3 scored 73 points, 2 is from Wilt, and the other is a player named David Thompson). Well, it seems like the league really is changing, and focusing more on offense more than defense.

Now the big question is, will there be a time where the scoring record of 100 points of Wilt Chamberlain be broken? TBH, it's hard to answer knowing that the players right now are just a few points away from beating the late Kobe's scoring record of 81, but IMO, they can't do it. Too high, and too far though there is a factor that can help a player reaching 100 points and that is if the game go to overtime. Kobe's record of 81 is reachable, and I will not be surprised if it will get surpassed this season just by looking on how high the points of teams are right now.
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January 27, 2024, 02:16:53 AM
Luka Doncic!!! He really wanted to break the post Kobe scoring record held by Devon Booker and he pulled it off tonight. WOW. 73 points and a victory. Between Joel Embiid’s performance earlier in the week and now this you have to wonder if this signals a bit of a change in how defenses are defending stars. Will anyone ever break Wilt’s mark?
I checked the score and Booker got 62 points in a lost against the Pacers. But in this game, Luka was different, he really carry the team and beat Joel's recent record with 73 big points. And yeah, most likely everyone is thinking about Kobe in his 4 dead anniversary and wanted to show the fans. And everyone got their money's worth as we have two games that are really entertaining. I wonder though what will be the reaction of players when they hear Luka scoring a massive 73 points. We saw KD's reaction when being asked about Joel's 70 points. So let's see who's reaction this time will be a meme.
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January 27, 2024, 02:08:35 AM
Luka Doncic!!! He really wanted to break the post Kobe scoring record held by Devon Booker and he pulled it off tonight. WOW. 73 points and a victory. Between Joel Embiid’s performance earlier in the week and now this you have to wonder if this signals a bit of a change in how defenses are defending stars. Will anyone ever break Wilt’s mark?

I remember last season, when Donovan Mitchell hits 60++ early on. And now this season, the mark is being pushed to 70 by Embiid and then Luka. Most likely, maybe next season we might see players going at 80, who knows.

We want to believed that 100 is not reachable by this time. But as the games evolves, it might be possible that someone is going to score 100 points with the way things are being played.
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January 27, 2024, 01:49:38 AM
Luka Doncic!!! He really wanted to break the post Kobe scoring record held by Devon Booker and he pulled it off tonight. WOW. 73 points and a victory. Between Joel Embiid’s performance earlier in the week and now this you have to wonder if this signals a bit of a change in how defenses are defending stars. Will anyone ever break Wilt’s mark?
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January 26, 2024, 09:41:35 PM
Just wanna share that I'm watching today's game, Pacers vs Suns. Booker has already scored 29 points in the first quarter. It seems like this game is a tribute to the late Kobe Bryant as today marks the 4th anniversary of Kobe Bryant's passing. It's possible that Devin Booker could score 82+ points today. What do you think? Anyone watching the game today?

Edit: Luka Doncic is also dominating with 40+ points in the first half, while Booker has scored 37 points in the 1st half.

Pacers will give him a hard time as they know how to play good defense, but if the set game play design for him to make that tribute why not?

Booker is a well-known killer he will take every opportunity that Pacer will give him, I think he will do everything
to make his Idol proud, though the priority still winning the game.

Let's see 2 more quarters, and still have enough time for him if he will keep shooting and keeps making good baskets.
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January 26, 2024, 08:45:39 PM
Just wanna share that I'm watching today's game, Pacers vs Suns. Booker has already scored 29 points in the first quarter. It seems like this game is a tribute to the late Kobe Bryant as today marks the 4th anniversary of Kobe Bryant's passing. It's possible that Devin Booker could score 82+ points today. What do you think? Anyone watching the game today?

Edit: Luka Doncic is also dominating with 40+ points in the first half, while Booker has scored 37 points in the 1st half.
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January 26, 2024, 07:24:48 PM

Eastern Conference starters
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Joel Embiid
Jayson Tatum
Tyrese Haliburton
Damian Lillard

Western Conference starters
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Nikola Jokic
Luka Doncic
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander


Finally, 2024 NBA All-Star starters announced. Almost all players are expected picks except maybe Lillard-Brunson. Trae Young fan rank was also too high but media and players didn't pick him that high. I think fan votes should have higher weight for starters. The game is played for fans in the end.

I know the players appreciate being voted by their peers. Durant tweeted as much earlier today. I’m sure they appreciate the fan vote too. They don’t seem too thrilled about the media though. Most of these guys have developed a bit of a hateful relationship with the reporters covering their teams.

Exactly, that is why they need to change the weight of the voting favoring the fans more than the weight from the media and peer votes. Just like what @EFS said, it's a game dedicated for the fans to enjoy seeing their favorite players participate in the allstar weekend. I don't know what happened with the "business" in this case lol.

On the other hand, the Lakers-Bulls game have just concluded a couple of hours ago and It's interesting to see DLo continuing to do better after the trade rumor drama surrounding the Lakers lately. He has been averaging more than 25ppg, 5+apg, and shooting more than 50% from the field in the last 5 games. Not to mention he's been shooting lights out against the Bulls tonight. It kind of excites me how the Lakers management react to this, but I could only come up with 2 possible scenarios here regarding DLo's most recent performance, he's either stay with the Lakers considering he'd be more consistent moving forward or he'd just increase his trade value for the Lakers to land a better trade pair for the likes of Trae Young or Donovan Mitchell.

There's not a world that dlo would land anywhere close to a Trae or Donovan.  Either one of those 2 would require a ton of first round picks.  Lakers I think can only trade theor 2029 first round pick which isn't worth much.  If those 2 are on the trade block (which they arent) there would be a ton of other teams that could offer way more than the Lakers could.  They are in a bad position right now.
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January 26, 2024, 06:13:46 PM
Doc Rivers is Doc rivers. Finding an NBA champion coach is always something teams wants to do, and not like they were bad enough that they should have fired their manager, it makes sense to keep the manager if they feel like it, but Bud was decent too and yet they parted ways.

Well, the main reason why Bud left was because Bud's brother died, and he wanted to take a break, which is understandable, but it's fine. I think Doc Rivers has been a decent head coach for a long time now, for over 20+ years, and he has a title, so the fact that he would be hired by many teams, teams that have good squads, is a common thing. This is why they are doing this change, they believe that he could be the type of head coach that can bring them a ring.
Despite their good record, second best in the eastern conference with 31-13, it was a known fact that they had problems with their coach. And their defense had taken a hit this year. I believe that the hype around this hire is excessive, and the Bucks will be OK. Additionally, I'm sick of people ignoring how awful Budenholzer was throughout the playoffs and how crucial it was to fire him. But also I am not sure how good can Doc be in the playoffs and making a team champion. The inability to adjust and the tendency to blow leads during the playoffs are major problems. Doc can make terrible teams become good, but he can't make good teams become great. It's also ridiculous to sign Doc to a three-year contract.
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January 26, 2024, 05:53:04 PM
It's sad that we're not going to see Steph on this all stars night. I'm feeling bad about him but was this the decision of voting made by fans, right?

I think the dynasty is over and they need to figure out some way to sign Giannis.
That's pretty much it is.

It's just going to be a matter of time until we see some talks again about him going to GSW. But it's a bargain for GSW if it happens, together with his brother.  Cheesy
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January 26, 2024, 01:25:34 PM
Curry is averaging 26.8 points per game this season. So he is as good as ever and is still the leader of the team. I think the Warriors' poor results this season are primarily the result of controversial decisions by their management. One of those decisions was signing Green to a 100 million dollar contract.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the Warriors started a total roster rebuild in the near future, and the only one who remained from the current roster would be Curry.

Curry stats is still good if we compared him to other regular players that is not on a star level. But we should admit that his skills is already deteriorating or simply not that impactful unlike before when he is young and relying too much to his teammates just to create a space on his own.

His 3pt shooting is already same with other star players since most of the players focusing on 3s too. He is not giving huge impact in the game compared to his younger version regardless of who is his teammates. Warriors shooting is already not that lethal while they lack of good center which is the current meta nowadays on NBA. Warriors is in a great disadvantage considering how strong teams now build their roster.

I don’t think we’re seeing a decline in Steph’s abilities as much as his teammates are no longer carrying their weight. Steph is having to carry the Warriors on his back this year with Draymond and Klay seemingly no longer able to perform at the highest level. I think the dynasty is over and they need to figure out some way to sign Giannis.
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January 26, 2024, 01:11:49 PM
Utah ended the bad trend away at Washington. Utah was the winner with a score of 108-123.
Washington is having an extremely bad season as a team this year. The total number of wins since the beginning of Sezok is 6. Utah's win over Washington cannot be an indicator. It only ended a 3-game losing streak. The next game for Utah could be considered an easy one. Even though Charlotte is one level better than Washington, the Utah Jazz. They are a very distant team and Utah should beat Charlotte very easily.
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