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September 01, 2018, 06:58:37 AM
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I'm not a fan of him but whenever there are old timers that are announcing their retirements I'm also thinking that I'm getting old. Too many legends are going to be added to the list as well. I don't want to see any more of these retirements.

Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter are I think the next ones. They aren't veteran. They are now oldies lol. 40+ age.
Oh boy my boys Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter I forgot that they are still playing and I've heard that Vince is playing for his last season, this year. Man, we are growing old and these prime superstars are also retiring soon.

Manu Ginobili got his retirement and now we are talking about Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter? This feels sad man, not only because they are retiring but they are one of the known and popular players in the time and I am feeling so old now. The dunks of Vince Carter, the Dirk shot of Nowitzki, man, that will be a legacy. In fact the shot of Dirk Nowitzki are being carried not by a lot of superstars at NBA.
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September 01, 2018, 06:27:16 AM
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I'm not a fan of him but whenever there are old timers that are announcing their retirements I'm also thinking that I'm getting old. Too many legends are going to be added to the list as well. I don't want to see any more of these retirements.

Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter are I think the next ones. They aren't veteran. They are now oldies lol. 40+ age.
Oh boy my boys Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter I forgot that they are still playing and I've heard that Vince is playing for his last season, this year. Man, we are growing old and these prime superstars are also retiring soon.

LMAO, I know that you still remember Vince Carter Slam Dunk in 2000 mate. That's 18 freaking years ago.. So we are definitely getting older as well.  Grin. Dirk on the other hand is inching closer to Wilt record plus he only missed a couple of games I think last season so definitely he is not retiring.

Dirk had extended his contract to 1 year, probably he's just testing his capabilities to go against the youngins in the league today. As we all know, the era he had when he was in his prime was completely different than today's. Player has evolved, when dont see as many centers who can shoot 3's before than today.
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September 01, 2018, 02:18:07 AM
~snip~
I'm not a fan of him but whenever there are old timers that are announcing their retirements I'm also thinking that I'm getting old. Too many legends are going to be added to the list as well. I don't want to see any more of these retirements.

Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter are I think the next ones. They aren't veteran. They are now oldies lol. 40+ age.
Oh boy my boys Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter I forgot that they are still playing and I've heard that Vince is playing for his last season, this year. Man, we are growing old and these prime superstars are also retiring soon.

Yeah didn't notice that too.
But Carter may have been resting much than playing. This guys bones are getting weaker so they really need much of a rest and cannot do much of the running anymore. They still have the skill, but stamina will kill them. Grin

If only Carter did not get that injury. He might have been a great player by now with rings on his fingers.
With his age and previous injuries, yes it's convincing that he's playing only for money now, or because of his love from this game, old players can influence rookies using their leadership and passed experiences, they can bring more motivations though they can't deliver much or can't help lifting the team physically but more on boosting their mentallity to love the game and show what they've got for this league.
As long as there are teams that will sign them they will still play because who would refuse money.
No doubts these guys are legend but you cannot be in the position all the time, people are getting older and the young once will replace them.
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August 31, 2018, 10:42:30 PM
~snip~
I'm not a fan of him but whenever there are old timers that are announcing their retirements I'm also thinking that I'm getting old. Too many legends are going to be added to the list as well. I don't want to see any more of these retirements.

Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter are I think the next ones. They aren't veteran. They are now oldies lol. 40+ age.
Oh boy my boys Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter I forgot that they are still playing and I've heard that Vince is playing for his last season, this year. Man, we are growing old and these prime superstars are also retiring soon.

Yeah didn't notice that too.
But Carter may have been resting much than playing. This guys bones are getting weaker so they really need much of a rest and cannot do much of the running anymore. They still have the skill, but stamina will kill them. Grin

If only Carter did not get that injury. He might have been a great player by now with rings on his fingers.
With his age and previous injuries, yes it's convincing that he's playing only for money now, or because of his love from this game, old players can influence rookies using their leadership and passed experiences, they can bring more motivations though they can't deliver much or can't help lifting the team physically but more on boosting their mentallity to love the game and show what they've got for this league.
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August 31, 2018, 03:59:52 PM
~snip~
I'm not a fan of him but whenever there are old timers that are announcing their retirements I'm also thinking that I'm getting old. Too many legends are going to be added to the list as well. I don't want to see any more of these retirements.

Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter are I think the next ones. They aren't veteran. They are now oldies lol. 40+ age.
Oh boy my boys Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter I forgot that they are still playing and I've heard that Vince is playing for his last season, this year. Man, we are growing old and these prime superstars are also retiring soon.

LMAO, I know that you still remember Vince Carter Slam Dunk in 2000 mate. That's 18 freaking years ago.. So we are definitely getting older as well.  Grin. Dirk on the other hand is inching closer to Wilt record plus he only missed a couple of games I think last season so definitely he is not retiring.
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August 31, 2018, 01:51:54 PM
Derozan only has danny green he needs to surpass from last year, the rest is still the same. People think derozan will not contribute as much as kawhi but people are also forgetting two things, first of all kawhi didn't contributed at all last year and spurs went to playoffs anyway and two kawhi got injured and seems not that alright in the mind, so we don't know if kawhi is still that same kawhi.

Hence derozan can absolutely not be an upset, whatever he provides is definitely better than what danny green could do and I am sure it will be a lot more. No one expects a "championship bringer" type player but anything more than role player is great.

Honestly I don't undestand why other people thinks that DeRozan will be a disappointment to the Spurs fan? How come? DeRozan is more of a role player than being a superstar. In Raptors, he is not the only who do ISO plays and we saw how well their ball rotation is. Meaning he is not always the main man of their offense. Spurs system is always like that much especially they played with no main man last season so surely DeRozan will adopt easily the Pop's system in Spurs.

I see Raptors should have to make more adjustmenst with Kawhi than DeRozan with the Spurs.

Oh boy my boys Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter I forgot that they are still playing and I've heard that Vince is playing for his last season, this year. Man, we are growing old and these prime superstars are also retiring soon.

Yeah didn't notice that too.
But Carter may have been resting much than playing. This guys bones are getting weaker so they really need much of a rest and cannot do much of the running anymore. They still have the skill, but stamina will kill them. Grin

If only Carter did not get that injury. He might have been a great player by now with rings on his fingers.

Vince Carter is more of an instructor now than a player. I don't know why he still plays. If he want championship, he can easily request on it on a competitive team as he will not harm the cap space but he is not aggressive on that for many years. Maybe getting more $$$ before retirement. Smiley He earned $8M last year with the Kings and $2.4M contract this season with the Hawk. That was a decent one for a veteran and no need to played more minutes on the court.

Dirk Nowitzki I believed wants to retire now but he is closed in getting another record, to surpass Wilt Chamberlain in NBA All-Time Scoring. Currently he has 31,183 pts and Wilt has 31,419. It's now within his reached and this season is enough period to reached the goal.
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August 31, 2018, 12:48:44 PM
~snip~
I'm not a fan of him but whenever there are old timers that are announcing their retirements I'm also thinking that I'm getting old. Too many legends are going to be added to the list as well. I don't want to see any more of these retirements.

Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter are I think the next ones. They aren't veteran. They are now oldies lol. 40+ age.
Oh boy my boys Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter I forgot that they are still playing and I've heard that Vince is playing for his last season, this year. Man, we are growing old and these prime superstars are also retiring soon.

Yeah didn't notice that too.
But Carter may have been resting much than playing. This guys bones are getting weaker so they really need much of a rest and cannot do much of the running anymore. They still have the skill, but stamina will kill them. Grin

If only Carter did not get that injury. He might have been a great player by now with rings on his fingers.
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August 31, 2018, 11:56:26 AM
I do not think derozan will keep playing like what derozan used to play on toronto but you guys are forgetting one thing. Yes in 2014 when spurs won the title they played the best team basketball there is but two years ago spurs was heavily reliant on kawhi making plays for himself and scoring, last year it was mostly on lamarcus aldridge and his 1 on 1 with his defender
on low block.

Mainly spurs is not playing the "beatiful game" we remember, they did turned to a more isolation related game, which derozan excells at. He might share the ball a lot more because its spurs, they pass more than others, however not like used to so derozan will be required to do ISO even if not as much. They do not have that many scorers on that team, this year they will only be derozan and lamarcus, anyone else scoring is just open shots, the ppg for all others will be low.

Actually I am kind of excited of their line up now.

New players and there might be new plays that we will see. But we can still see how Pops works on his plays. There might be some isolation for Aldridge but that is also the Duncan move which he already prepared a long time ago.
They are stretching all the plays they can get last year because of Kawhi's injury.
Let us face it too, Ginobili was not that fast anymore last year but he still did a great performance.

DeRozan
Aldridge
Mills
Gasol
Rudy Gay
and their #18 pick Walker
New acquired three pointer Belinelli.


Now they need a good 2nd team.

Man DeRozan will be a huuuuge disappointment for the Spurs fans. Hope they can take it.
lol you think derozan will be upset but spurs played with no kawhi last year.

Derozan only has danny green he needs to surpass from last year, the rest is still the same. People think derozan will not contribute as much as kawhi but people are also forgetting two things, first of all kawhi didn't contributed at all last year and spurs went to playoffs anyway and two kawhi got injured and seems not that alright in the mind, so we don't know if kawhi is still that same kawhi.

Hence derozan can absolutely not be an upset, whatever he provides is definitely better than what danny green could do and I am sure it will be a lot more. No one expects a "championship bringer" type player but anything more than role player is great.
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August 31, 2018, 07:01:13 AM
~snip~
I'm not a fan of him but whenever there are old timers that are announcing their retirements I'm also thinking that I'm getting old. Too many legends are going to be added to the list as well. I don't want to see any more of these retirements.

Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter are I think the next ones. They aren't veteran. They are now oldies lol. 40+ age.
Oh boy my boys Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter I forgot that they are still playing and I've heard that Vince is playing for his last season, this year. Man, we are growing old and these prime superstars are also retiring soon.
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August 31, 2018, 03:57:24 AM
I do not think derozan will keep playing like what derozan used to play on toronto but you guys are forgetting one thing. Yes in 2014 when spurs won the title they played the best team basketball there is but two years ago spurs was heavily reliant on kawhi making plays for himself and scoring, last year it was mostly on lamarcus aldridge and his 1 on 1 with his defender
on low block.

Mainly spurs is not playing the "beatiful game" we remember, they did turned to a more isolation related game, which derozan excells at. He might share the ball a lot more because its spurs, they pass more than others, however not like used to so derozan will be required to do ISO even if not as much. They do not have that many scorers on that team, this year they will only be derozan and lamarcus, anyone else scoring is just open shots, the ppg for all others will be low.

Actually I am kind of excited of their line up now.

New players and there might be new plays that we will see. But we can still see how Pops works on his plays. There might be some isolation for Aldridge but that is also the Duncan move which he already prepared a long time ago.
They are stretching all the plays they can get last year because of Kawhi's injury.
Let us face it too, Ginobili was not that fast anymore last year but he still did a great performance.

DeRozan
Aldridge
Mills
Gasol
Rudy Gay
and their #18 pick Walker
New acquired three pointer Belinelli.


Now they need a good 2nd team.

Man DeRozan will be a huuuuge disappointment for the Spurs fans. Hope they can take it.

With pop as his coach? I don't think DeRozan will play like he was in raptors. Of course he will behave in the hands of a well respected coach in the league.
He will have to play like a team not like a superstar in a team, but there will be major adjustment and they need to build a chemistry as well.
DeRozan was a superstar with the Raptors but it's embarrassing because they got swept by the Cavaliers, compared to Leonard, I think Leonard is better.
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August 30, 2018, 07:59:37 PM
I do not think derozan will keep playing like what derozan used to play on toronto but you guys are forgetting one thing. Yes in 2014 when spurs won the title they played the best team basketball there is but two years ago spurs was heavily reliant on kawhi making plays for himself and scoring, last year it was mostly on lamarcus aldridge and his 1 on 1 with his defender
on low block.

Mainly spurs is not playing the "beatiful game" we remember, they did turned to a more isolation related game, which derozan excells at. He might share the ball a lot more because its spurs, they pass more than others, however not like used to so derozan will be required to do ISO even if not as much. They do not have that many scorers on that team, this year they will only be derozan and lamarcus, anyone else scoring is just open shots, the ppg for all others will be low.

Actually I am kind of excited of their line up now.

New players and there might be new plays that we will see. But we can still see how Pops works on his plays. There might be some isolation for Aldridge but that is also the Duncan move which he already prepared a long time ago.
They are stretching all the plays they can get last year because of Kawhi's injury.
Let us face it too, Ginobili was not that fast anymore last year but he still did a great performance.

DeRozan
Aldridge
Mills
Gasol
Rudy Gay
and their #18 pick Walker
New acquired three pointer Belinelli.


Now they need a good 2nd team.

Man DeRozan will be a huuuuge disappointment for the Spurs fans. Hope they can take it.

With pop as his coach? I don't think DeRozan will play like he was in raptors. Of course he will behave in the hands of a well respected coach in the league.
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August 30, 2018, 06:05:37 PM
Another veteran retirement.

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/david-west-retires-nba-news-pacers-warriors-spurs-pelicans-hornets-xavier/h7rilycrr0tm1s33l1iow511q]David West retires after 15 NBA seasons

One of the good backup player of the Golden State Warriors. These guy have an overall 4 teams he played on his whole career and got 2 rings in his final 2 season with the Golden State Warriors (2016–2018). Unlike other players who earned their rings without effort*, we all know that West contributes much in Warriors so I will say that he really deserved those rings.

With the retirement of West, I think only 6 or 7 players remained now to that famous 2003-04 draft that is actively playing until now. If Im not mistaken.

One hell of a defensive player and also one thing that will be remembered from him. That elbow perimeter shot which he does perfectly without even jumping an inch.
I think that was just a tip toe that he was doing.
Somehow he create those shots with not much effort amd still get double digits with points and rebounds.
He will be remembered indeed.

15 NBA Seasons, 2 rings with GSW, 2 time All Star, one of Hornets early NBA stars, yeah one hell of a ride for David West. He also contributed a lot during his stint in GSW so I'm sure that they lost one valuable player in their rotation.

I agree with the elbow shot, I think he can do it with either hands as well.

And I still remember that "Kiss" with Tristan last year. Lol. Smiley
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August 30, 2018, 05:32:55 PM
Another veteran retirement.

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/david-west-retires-nba-news-pacers-warriors-spurs-pelicans-hornets-xavier/h7rilycrr0tm1s33l1iow511q]David West retires after 15 NBA seasons

One of the good backup player of the Golden State Warriors. These guy have an overall 4 teams he played on his whole career and got 2 rings in his final 2 season with the Golden State Warriors (2016–2018). Unlike other players who earned their rings without effort*, we all know that West contributes much in Warriors so I will say that he really deserved those rings.

With the retirement of West, I think only 6 or 7 players remained now to that famous 2003-04 draft that is actively playing until now. If Im not mistaken.

One hell of a defensive player and also one thing that will be remembered from him. That elbow perimeter shot which he does perfectly without even jumping an inch.
I think that was just a tip toe that he was doing.
Somehow he create those shots with not much effort amd still get double digits with points and rebounds.
He will be remembered indeed.
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August 30, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
I do not think derozan will keep playing like what derozan used to play on toronto but you guys are forgetting one thing. Yes in 2014 when spurs won the title they played the best team basketball there is but two years ago spurs was heavily reliant on kawhi making plays for himself and scoring, last year it was mostly on lamarcus aldridge and his 1 on 1 with his defender
on low block.

Mainly spurs is not playing the "beatiful game" we remember, they did turned to a more isolation related game, which derozan excells at. He might share the ball a lot more because its spurs, they pass more than others, however not like used to so derozan will be required to do ISO even if not as much. They do not have that many scorers on that team, this year they will only be derozan and lamarcus, anyone else scoring is just open shots, the ppg for all others will be low.

Actually I am kind of excited of their line up now.

New players and there might be new plays that we will see. But we can still see how Pops works on his plays. There might be some isolation for Aldridge but that is also the Duncan move which he already prepared a long time ago.
They are stretching all the plays they can get last year because of Kawhi's injury.
Let us face it too, Ginobili was not that fast anymore last year but he still did a great performance.

DeRozan
Aldridge
Mills
Gasol
Rudy Gay
and their #18 pick Walker
New acquired three pointer Belinelli.


Now they need a good 2nd team.

Man DeRozan will be a huuuuge disappointment for the Spurs fans. Hope they can take it.
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August 30, 2018, 02:05:32 PM
For a recap, Golden State Warriors doesn't have a superstar when they began dominating the league until they get into what team they are now. No superstars at all. They all start from a scratch.

Meaning whatever trend in the NBA right now, no need for 2 or 3 superstars just to win a championship*. Yes having a superstar is an advantage but let's not closed the door that soon, some "team" will shine on it's way up bounded by role players.

I believed other teams are doing their best to revamp their respective lineup. Last season, Warriors also have a bad game during their Season games. Meaning they are not the dominant the whole season. They also struggles at Western Conference Finals, , meaning a team can matched them. A competition is still there and no such thing as Warriors owning the NBA.

That's the challenge for other teams now, show what they got. We just have to wait and see what will be the happenings in the upcoming 2018-19 season.
Agree on what you have said and each season we can really potentially see up some teams that might really show up on next years basing on their recent performances.I remember those days where Warriors doesnt have much that performance but they able to snatch out championship. Each team do have the chance and we do all know that the ball is round which anything can happen unexpectedly because nothing do really last on top spots even how dominating they are there would really be a time that a team can possibly break it up and this is what excites me on which team would kick out Warriors.  Tongue
I agree that Warriors can be beaten by some team eventually but at this point of their careers it is more likely for the team to get parted with players because of contracts and insane amount of the cumulative repeater luxury tax. The team is paying insane taxes because of their players getting paid a lot and that is without Klay Thompson and Draymond green getting their max, if those players require a max than warriors will have to just let them go, whatever they pay them, it will be doubled and tripled by the cumulative luxury tax so they can't just give max and move on.

I do see them take cuts on their salary but for how much, I am sure at one point some other team will offer more for longer and they will have to disband. That is a much more likely scenario of how warriors not being as good than some other team eventually beating them.
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August 30, 2018, 01:58:17 PM

Exactly. They see Golden State Warriors owning the NBA now but for me, I don't see it that way. Even last year that was the expectation but look how difficult it was for them to reached the finals. Even the 6th seeded Pelicans snatched a win to them via 19 points lead during playoffs so it means that Warriors also have holes. And now with the addition of DeMarcus Cousins, people are freaking out that Warriors will be the next champion again. Yes it's possible but let's don't close the doors to other teams.

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I'm not a fan of him but whenever there are old timers that are announcing their retirements I'm also thinking that I'm getting old. Too many legends are going to be added to the list as well. I don't want to see any more of these retirements.

Dirk Nowitzki and Vince Carter are I think the next ones. They aren't veteran. They are now oldies lol. 40+ age.
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August 30, 2018, 01:48:17 PM
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I'm not a fan of him but whenever there are old timers that are announcing their retirements I'm also thinking that I'm getting old. Too many legends are going to be added to the list as well. I don't want to see any more of these retirements.
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August 30, 2018, 12:32:25 PM
Another veteran retirement.

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/david-west-retires-nba-news-pacers-warriors-spurs-pelicans-hornets-xavier/h7rilycrr0tm1s33l1iow511q]David West retires after 15 NBA seasons

One of the good backup player of the Golden State Warriors. These guy have an overall 4 teams he played on his whole career and got 2 rings in his final 2 season with the Golden State Warriors (2016–2018). Unlike other players who earned their rings without effort*, we all know that West contributes much in Warriors so I will say that he really deserved those rings.

With the retirement of West, I think only 6 or 7 players remained now to that famous 2003-04 draft that is actively playing until now. If Im not mistaken.
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August 30, 2018, 12:16:45 PM
I do not think derozan will keep playing like what derozan used to play on toronto but you guys are forgetting one thing. Yes in 2014 when spurs won the title they played the best team basketball there is but two years ago spurs was heavily reliant on kawhi making plays for himself and scoring, last year it was mostly on lamarcus aldridge and his 1 on 1 with his defender
on low block.

Mainly spurs is not playing the "beatiful game" we remember, they did turned to a more isolation related game, which derozan excells at. He might share the ball a lot more because its spurs, they pass more than others, however not like used to so derozan will be required to do ISO even if not as much. They do not have that many scorers on that team, this year they will only be derozan and lamarcus, anyone else scoring is just open shots, the ppg for all others will be low.

You need at least two or three superstars to win in todays NBA.   The days of a solid group of role players winning a title are long gone.  We won't see a nother team similar to the 2004 pistons for a long time.

To be honest, the NBA has gotten a lot less exciting because of the Golden State Warriors. There team is stacked to the max with all their star players and it's just causing other players to form their own superteams.  Everyone wants to team up in todays NBA instead of taking the difficult path.

For a recap, Golden State Warriors doesn't have a superstar when they began dominating the league until they get into what team they are now. No superstars at all. They all start from a scratch.

Meaning whatever trend in the NBA right now, no need for 2 or 3 superstars just to win a championship*. Yes having a superstar is an advantage but let's not closed the door that soon, some "team" will shine on it's way up bounded by role players.

I believed other teams are doing their best to revamp their respective lineup. Last season, Warriors also have a bad game during their Season games. Meaning they are not the dominant the whole season. They also struggles at Western Conference Finals, , meaning a team can matched them. A competition is still there and no such thing as Warriors owning the NBA.

That's the challenge for other teams now, show what they got. We just have to wait and see what will be the happenings in the upcoming 2018-19 season.

I am glad some people think like this and not just putting every blame on the Golden State saying they are all superstar that is why they win.
You will really see who is not a fan of NBA when they start speaking non sense telling it will be GSW again who will take the trophy.
So wrong. That team worked their ass off just to get there.

Houston did a great job. If only CP3 did not have that injury. But same with GSW they lost Iggy that time.
 
Boston also have a chance if ever they win against Cleveland. That is a team there. Young ones though. They need more experience.

Cleveland though, facing GSW. You can see the difference in the game.
Team play versus a team relying on one superstar which is wrong. Look at how Smith did so much errors. Why? Because he is leaning too much in Lebron's game. I am sure of that.

Let us stop saying GSW is impenetrable because they are superstars. They are not. They worked hard for it. They have weaknesses too. They just dont show it and still gives their best every game.

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August 30, 2018, 06:36:25 AM
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I can only imagine that being a Spurs fan this season is really tough right now aside from trading away their superstar even though they got a good player in return didn't relieve all the memories they have from Kawhi. Aside from that hearing the news about Tony Parker signing with the Charlotte Hornets is one tough blow to take as he has been the atarting point guard for the Spurs in a long time. And now the biggest blow the last of their original Big 3 will now be gone for his retirement, I think Manu really waited for this moment as his other teammates are now gone.
You are maybe right, this is the right timing for Manu to announce his retirement since his long time team mates that he considered brothers are gone. For me it is a wise decision on Manu's part since father time is slowly cathing up on him but sad for the Spur's fans to see their hero leave the sport.
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