Raptors win tonight.
Revenge game.
Topic: 2019 NBA Pre-Season - page 2612. (Read 920810 times)
When it comes to versatility then Giannis do have it but when it comes to stats Harden do have it.
I'll go for Giannis, the guy is a true freak of nature. While I was a bit disappointed with James Harden because of his obvious stat padding. Yet, we cant deny that he's a future hall of famer too, but the stat padding ruined his reputation.
3 losing streak for the Lakers, at home still they cannot win.
Lebron is not as explosive as before, though he can still score good figures but he cannot take his team to win.
Every game is a must win for them but once again they wasted that opportunity.
I can't say that they have wasted that opportunity but the one that caught my attention is the posts on social medias. It's like they have been already judged that they are not going to play on the playoffs.Lebron is not as explosive as before, though he can still score good figures but he cannot take his team to win.
Every game is a must win for them but once again they wasted that opportunity.
Chances of being there is low and others have concluded that they aren't going to join the playoffs. They still have some remaining games and they have majority of it, unless it's decided this kind of issue won't affect him as a player but probably his mates will.
do Lebron done this thing we dont know if he do craves for more but with his current team performance/stats we can already barely presume that they wont able to make it to that spot.
Getting pissed or dismayed would be a normal reaction.
Between the 2, it's Giannis who is a better player.
Harden can have a bad game anytime especially when the defense is on him but Giannis can always find a way to contribute to the team.
Giannis does not need to score all the time to contribute, they have a lot of shooters who can do that, with his length, he is very effective in defense and rebounding.
When it comes to versatility then Giannis do have it but when it comes to stats Harden do have it. Harden can have a bad game anytime especially when the defense is on him but Giannis can always find a way to contribute to the team.
Giannis does not need to score all the time to contribute, they have a lot of shooters who can do that, with his length, he is very effective in defense and rebounding.
Ok now back to present days (since most of the recent conversations are comparison between the past and the present lol), here are the current top 5 in standings of MVP race:
James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic
Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
I'm surprised that Jokic is on the top 5 but the impact he made with the current rankings with Denver Nuggets is high too.James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic
Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
I'm between with James Harden and Giannis Antetokounmpo.
I don't see westbrook in the list, what happen?
I guess Westbrook did better than PG, he manage the play that's why he is having some tripple double most of the time.
Giannis and Harden are players who showed a lots of dominating games, I'm also eyeing for this two.
I guess we are on the same boat for these superstars. 
I am not shocked about Jokic being in the top 5 of mvp votes, I am surprised harden is still there though. Giannis will get it 100% no question because he really brought the team to a first seed after Cavs left and there is a big big chance they go to finals this year (I see raptors as their only rivals on the path) on the other hand not many people like Hardens style, you may discuss if his style is good or not and if its legit or hated and whatever but as long as the discussion is there than there is absolutely no way he gets 2 mvp back to back, you can like his style but that doesn't change the fact that nobody questions Giannis style or Jokics style, only hardens style.
Jokic is top 5 because even though he has a great team around him he was the real player who made Denver from "can they make the playoffs" to a second seed, that is his difference, take him out of Denver and they either barely make it to playoffs or fail.
Jokic is top 5 because even though he has a great team around him he was the real player who made Denver from "can they make the playoffs" to a second seed, that is his difference, take him out of Denver and they either barely make it to playoffs or fail.
According to the odds in Vegas, it's down to three guys : Antetokounmpo and Harden are the favorites and George is the challenger.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mvp-rankings-latest-odds-say-giannis-antetokounmpos-the-favorite-but-surging-paul-george-remains-best-value-bet/
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mvp-rankings-latest-odds-say-giannis-antetokounmpos-the-favorite-but-surging-paul-george-remains-best-value-bet/
Ok now back to present days (since most of the recent conversations are comparison between the past and the present lol), here are the current top 5 in standings of MVP race:
James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic
Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic
Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
Holy Mac and Cheese. Didn't see that coming. Now he is recognized all of a sudden.
This just means he really did make big changes on how he plays the game.
He doesnt ball hog. He just goes to the middle and goes for looking for a free team mate. Somehow it is a good kind of play but risky.
Absorbing all the defense into his epicenter and then looking for a pass. Tall guys could do this but you will need to be intelligent and also offensive awareness is a big deal.
There are still a lot of games but Giannis is a monster. It will be hard to get that MVP trophy for Jokic.
Giannis and Harden are players who showed a lots of dominating games, I'm also eyeing for this two.
Between the 2, it's Giannis who is a better player.
Harden can have a bad game anytime especially when the defense is on him but Giannis can always find a way to contribute to the team.
Giannis does not need to score all the time to contribute, they have a lot of shooters who can do that, with his length, he is very effective in defense and rebounding.
I don't think that the term "better player" can be defined. Personally, I can say that the Greek Freak is a more complete player than James Harden. Giannis is defending, attacking, assisting, rebounding. Some of them, Harden is eligible for doing but maybe this is due to the position that he plays as he is only able o assist and score mostly.
a lots of tough games lately.
3 losing streak for the Lakers, at home still they cannot win.
Lebron is not as explosive as before, though he can still score good figures but he cannot take his team to win.
Every game is a must win for them but once again they wasted that opportunity.
I can't say that they have wasted that opportunity but the one that caught my attention is the posts on social medias. It's like they have been already judged that they are not going to play on the playoffs.Lebron is not as explosive as before, though he can still score good figures but he cannot take his team to win.
Every game is a must win for them but once again they wasted that opportunity.
Chances of being there is low and others have concluded that they aren't going to join the playoffs. They still have some remaining games and they have majority of it, unless it's decided this kind of issue won't affect him as a player but probably his mates will.
Giannis and Harden are players who showed a lots of dominating games, I'm also eyeing for this two.
Between the 2, it's Giannis who is a better player.
Harden can have a bad game anytime especially when the defense is on him but Giannis can always find a way to contribute to the team.
Giannis does not need to score all the time to contribute, they have a lot of shooters who can do that, with his length, he is very effective in defense and rebounding.
I don't think that the term "better player" can be defined. Personally, I can say that the Greek Freak is a more complete player than James Harden. Giannis is defending, attacking, assisting, rebounding. Some of them, Harden is eligible for doing but maybe this is due to the position that he plays as he is only able o assist and score mostly.
3 losing streak for the Lakers, at home still they cannot win.
Lebron is not as explosive as before, though he can still score good figures but he cannot take his team to win.
Every game is a must win for them but once again they wasted that opportunity.
Lebron is not as explosive as before, though he can still score good figures but he cannot take his team to win.
Every game is a must win for them but once again they wasted that opportunity.
Giannis and Harden are players who showed a lots of dominating games, I'm also eyeing for this two.
Between the 2, it's Giannis who is a better player.
Harden can have a bad game anytime especially when the defense is on him but Giannis can always find a way to contribute to the team.
Giannis does not need to score all the time to contribute, they have a lot of shooters who can do that, with his length, he is very effective in defense and rebounding.
Statistically though, Harden is the number one because of his massive 36 points average per game. But as far as impact to his team, definitely, I'm go with Giannis here. I think it's going to be close MVP race here because of Giannis and Jokic and Paul George. I"m also not surprised to see Jokic on the list, Nuggets shows a lot of improvement this year because of him and fighting GSW for the top spot, so he should be in the discussions as well.
Giannis and Harden are players who showed a lots of dominating games, I'm also eyeing for this two.
Between the 2, it's Giannis who is a better player.
Harden can have a bad game anytime especially when the defense is on him but Giannis can always find a way to contribute to the team.
Giannis does not need to score all the time to contribute, they have a lot of shooters who can do that, with his length, he is very effective in defense and rebounding.
Ok now back to present days (since most of the recent conversations are comparison between the past and the present lol), here are the current top 5 in standings of MVP race:
James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic
Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
I'm surprised that Jokic is on the top 5 but the impact he made with the current rankings with Denver Nuggets is high too.James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic
Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
I'm between with James Harden and Giannis Antetokounmpo.
what the team's current position, and with how people recognized a superstars, he just an ordinary steady player who contribute without any fancy
movement that give him a signature one.
Giannis and Harden are players who showed a lots of dominating games, I'm also eyeing for this two.
Ok now back to present days (since most of the recent conversations are comparison between the past and the present lol), here are the current top 5 in standings of MVP race:
James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic
Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
I'm surprised that Jokic is on the top 5 but the impact he made with the current rankings with Denver Nuggets is high too.James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic
Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
I'm between with James Harden and Giannis Antetokounmpo.
I don't see westbrook in the list, what happen?
I guess Westbrook did better than PG, he manage the play that's why he is having some tripple double most of the time.
Ok now back to present days (since most of the recent conversations are comparison between the past and the present lol), here are the current top 5 in standings of MVP race:
James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic
Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
I'm surprised that Jokic is on the top 5 but the impact he made with the current rankings with Denver Nuggets is high too.James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic
Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
I'm between with James Harden and Giannis Antetokounmpo.
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I don't mean to hate or troll (well maybe a little bit
) but do we see more of this^ tonight against the Clippers or Lakers pull their shit together and act like a team that wants to make the playoffs? I guess I'm more interested in the stuff that goes off the court rather than the game itself. Lakers are such a mess at this point, even if you are not a fan you just feel sorry for them. 
Ok now back to present days (since most of the recent conversations are comparison between the past and the present lol), here are the current top 5 in standings of MVP race:
James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic
Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
Looking at how Duncan contributes to that 5 championship, he deserves that "too much credit".
And not just in Finals. Try to check his monster stats from season to playoffs during that championship years. No way he will just given a recognition like that just because of his name.
Anyways I erased the quote about Kevin Garnett because Im not trying to compare the two as someone might mislead.
James Harden
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Nikola Jokic
Surprise Jokic made it to top 5. Yes that underrated young gun is again making sounds. Although his chances to take the MVP this season is quite slim, at least he is labeled to the top calibers players this season. Harden is still on top. Looks like there is a possibility that he can make it 2 in a row if ever Rockets will finished good this year.
...and people give him too much credit for the 5 champions they won.
Looking at how Duncan contributes to that 5 championship, he deserves that "too much credit".
And not just in Finals. Try to check his monster stats from season to playoffs during that championship years. No way he will just given a recognition like that just because of his name.
Anyways I erased the quote about Kevin Garnett because Im not trying to compare the two as someone might mislead.
I would take prime Kevin Garnett over prime Tim Duncan. Duncan gets way more recognition because he played for a good team and people give him too much credit for the 5 champions they won.
I would even take a peak 2002-2003 McGrady on my team over Kobe.
I would even take a peak 2002-2003 McGrady on my team over Kobe.
Championship is definitely important but also it brings out the question why does a GOAT caliber player doesn't have other good players with him ? I mean lets look at Karl Malone and john Stockton, they were definitely great but if they are in GOAT discussions I am sorry but they were two great players who couldn't pull it off, so I doubt they are at that level, MJ probably only had Scottie we can count on and maaaybe Rodman but that is a bit tough.
You could also add Charles Barkley or Patrick Ewing in that discussions. Jordan denied the 2 a ring because they're unfortunate to have Jordan as contemporaries.
If you are great anyway than players should want to play with you to begin with, players should want to come to your team, look at warriors, how did they got Durant? Because they were already great and Durant wanted a ring with them, why didn't T-Mac and Yao get another superstar ? Because, even with another superstar they possibly could lose. Why did Bosh-Wade-Lebron deal happened? Because they believed they could get couple titles together.
They can be defined as super-teams. Previous era's, you only need one great player and then lots of supporting cast to help. But now, 2 or 3 great players need to join to order to bring championships.
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