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Quote from: danherbias07 on January 10, 2025, 11:37:16 PM

Russell Westbrook went frenzy in the last minutes of the game against the Brooklyn Nets earning another triple-double in his career. That's now 202 and I doubt he is stopping. It's like this dude is still in his prime when he plays basketball. He also made a dunk, a three-pointer, and 3 assists in the last 4 minutes of that game. The crowd went crazy just watching him do all those things.

Look at that two. Another two-player triple-double. Unbelievable. Their chemistry is so high, with WB as a playmaker he can make things happen with his passing ability.

That was an impressive performance by Westbrook - it looks like he’s back in his prime. The Nuggets made an excellent move signing him, especially on such a budget-friendly contract for someone playing like a superstar. The Nuggets are even better this season with so many options, and it seems like Westbrook will be getting more minutes. I mean, pulling off a triple-double like that isn’t just a one-time thing for him. His presence is boosting the team’s confidence, and it shows on the court. ( Nuggets is a very interesting to watch this season).

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Quote from: Questat on January 10, 2025, 01:25:51 AM

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Some rumor mill news… Kevin’s Durant wants the Suns to get Jimmy Butler. The only way to dream of doing that is to trade Bradley Beal. Beal says he will only waive his no trade clause to go to the Lakers. So the Heat/Lakers/Suns are supposedly working a trade to send Beal to LA, Jimmy to Phoenix, and everyone else both teams can to Miami.

That’s definitely going to make the Suns a stronger team, especially if they can build good chemistry.

As for Beal getting traded to LA, I’m not sure what the Lakers could give up since they’ve already traded DLo. Honestly, it might just mess up their rotation again. So for me, this seems pretty complicated and unlikely to happen.

I agree, Lakers do not have much to trade at the moment, maybe some future picks if they have any left but even with that, is Beal really worth it? You do that type of trade when you are getting someone who is great and could help you reach to championship level, Lakers doesn't even look remotely close right now to that level and certainly wouldn't if they reached to Beal neither, so I believe this is going to be a tough deal. Best thing to do right now would be just not taking this deal.

Butler to Lakers could have been better, but even in that case Lakers do not have what it takes to get Butler. Suns is understandable to want Butler, but Lakers will probably not accept this deal, I can see Suns getting better, can see Miami getting good return for Butler, but I can't see Lakers getting anything that benefits them so the trade would fall for that reason. This whole Butler thing may go on for a while longer, I do not see any team rushing to get him.

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But he wanted to go to a championship team, so obviously to chase his dream of winning a NBA title. And he might be thinking of joining KD. But I also see the same problem, as both KD could not work out as both wanted to be the franchise player. Then they have Booker as well so it's going to be crowded there. As we have seen in his career that he has issues with the Sixers with Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons.

Maybe Butler had matured already and more be willing to just play a role in Phoenix. Just like what Curry did when KD join the Warriors and they wont championships together. Age though might be a limiting factor for Jimmy.

At this point in his career, I don't think that he's prioritizing a title anymore. He's more inclined to having a higher salary than having a title.

I disagree though, if that is Butler's thought then he is being selfish, and perhaps he has plan after all to leave Miami because they are not willing him to get a max contract. And if so then he should go to teams like Detroit, as they could have been willing to pay him but then they will have a hard time to win championship. And that's why he want to go to Phoenix or Lakers because he still could have salvage a career or win, who knows.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 10, 2025, 10:20:22 PM

Remember when he said that he wants to join the Brooklyn Nets a few months ago? He said that because the Nets have the highest salary cap, and he can just sign a max contract there, and there's no problem with it. That alone is enough for me to say that he just wants to get paid, and if the team where he lands is a championship contender, it's his 2nd priority only.

Again, it doesn't make sense for a caliber player like him to think just for the money. You can ask Melo about it, he will rather have at least one ring, than have a good contract. And after he retires, he will be remembered as a great NBA player but didn't win a ring.

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As for him going to the Suns though, I don't think that it will happen because it seems like Beal doesn't want to waive his no-trade clause anymore, and we've seen that the Suns benched him on their last game where they won. It seems like the management wants Beal to be uncomfortable with Phoenix, waive his trade clause so that they can trade him. The question is which team will get him knowing that they need to pay him more than $50M for the next 3 years (including this season).

It's not up to Beal, it will still be in the Phoenix management on what they think will be the best for them. And I will say that he is underperforming as well when he join the Suns. They supposedly the next big 3, but injuries and probably the rotation might have affected the team's performance. There could be teams that are willing to take Beal, just like the Nets absorb Ben Simmons.

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Russell Westbrook went frenzy in the last minutes of the game against the Brooklyn Nets earning another triple-double in his career. That's now 202 and I doubt he is stopping. It's like this dude is still in his prime when he plays basketball. He also made a dunk, a three-pointer, and 3 assists in the last 4 minutes of that game. The crowd went crazy just watching him do all those things.

Look at that two. Another two-player triple-double. Unbelievable. Their chemistry is so high, with WB as a playmaker he can make things happen with his passing ability.

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Quote from: Baofeng on January 10, 2025, 03:45:05 PM

But he wanted to go to a championship team, so obviously to chase his dream of winning a NBA title. And he might be thinking of joining KD. But I also see the same problem, as both KD could not work out as both wanted to be the franchise player. Then they have Booker as well so it's going to be crowded there. As we have seen in his career that he has issues with the Sixers with Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons.

Maybe Butler had matured already and more be willing to just play a role in Phoenix. Just like what Curry did when KD join the Warriors and they wont championships together. Age though might be a limiting factor for Jimmy.

At this point in his career, I don't think that he's prioritizing a title anymore. He's more inclined to having a higher salary than having a title.

Remember when he said that he wants to join the Brooklyn Nets a few months ago? He said that because the Nets have the highest salary cap, and he can just sign a max contract there, and there's no problem with it. That alone is enough for me to say that he just wants to get paid, and if the team where he lands is a championship contender, it's his 2nd priority only.

As for him going to the Suns though, I don't think that it will happen because it seems like Beal doesn't want to waive his no-trade clause anymore, and we've seen that the Suns benched him on their last game where they won. It seems like the management wants Beal to be uncomfortable with Phoenix, waive his trade clause so that they can trade him. The question is which team will get him knowing that they need to pay him more than $50M for the next 3 years (including this season).

As for Butler, I will not be surprised if there will be a title contender team out there that will get him, but if he will go to Phoenix, I don't think that it will change everything for the team. They might be better, but still not a title contender.

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Actually, His prime is not that explosive especially his consistency during playoffs which always on/off on crucial games. The previous roster of Miami that highlighted his career is due to well-balanced roster that they have including the bench.

But I doubt he can carry a team solely like the typical star player like Lebron in prime, Luka, Kawhi and so on.

Miami will be happy to trade him to get another promising roster for their future team since they have the best coach.

Yeah, Butler is a fluke when he traded to Miami since he was given a spot light despite his skills as a superstar is not that reliable. I doubt that he can do the same thing once he was traded especially on teams that already have their own young superstar.

His best chance is to go on building team like Wizards or trade him to Pelicans with Zion Williamson since both of them are cancer on their respective team.

But he wanted to go to a championship team, so obviously to chase his dream of winning a NBA title. And he might be thinking of joining KD. But I also see the same problem, as both KD could not work out as both wanted to be the franchise player. Then they have Booker as well so it's going to be crowded there. As we have seen in his career that he has issues with the Sixers with Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons.

Maybe Butler had matured already and more be willing to just play a role in Phoenix. Just like what Curry did when KD join the Warriors and they wont championships together. Age though might be a limiting factor for Jimmy.

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Quote from: Russlenat on January 10, 2025, 07:22:31 AM

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though it's a tough call for KD and with the coaching staff they need to work hard to get the best version of Butler to help the team.

Butler is still in his prime, so we can say he is still at his best version. Maybe they should look for a happier version of Butler, because if he’s not happy, it means there’s no chemistry in the team. And no matter how many superstars they have, it won’t work without chemistry. Just look at OKC - they don’t have a lot of superstars, but they’re playing like an unbeatable team because they have that solid chemistry.

I'm not sure if he is his prime as Butler is already 35 years old. And the first sign that a player is deteriorating is that if he has suffered injuries. In any case, let's see how Butler or where Butler goes, if he goes to Phoenix then good for him as he likes to play with KD or it is one destination that he wants to go. But the teams that are going to get him should understand the downside, like his age, and then his history of injuries.

If I'm not mistaken, Butler might come back in January 17, so if this trade didn't materialized, maybe he will still suited up for the Heat whoever they played.

They said though that they want to trade him before the trade deadline of February 6, so let's wait as this drama is one of the most followed news by fans around the world.

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Zion is just not physically healthy to be an NBA player anymore, I am pretty sure that after this season, he is going to end up with getting less and less attention and will be a journeyman, a few more teams will try to heal him and check his issues and then realize he is just injury prone, and he will get out and not do much and he will be out quickly.

I compare him to Greg Oden a bit, Greg Oden was drafted before Durant too, he looked like a great player and there were a lot of PR around him, dude definitely looked like a great player but in the end he didn't get healthy enough to play so he ended up not being in the NBA for too long. Zion may have a bit of longer career, but it won't take long and we will not see him do anything good at all, as long as he is like this, we are not going to end up seeing him have any meaningful NBA career at all. Sometimes it is not players fault neither, some people are just injury prone like that.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 09, 2025, 12:54:32 PM

Pretty crazy that Zion missed almost 30 games, came back and gave us one highlight with a 360 windmill dunk, and now he’s right back on the injured list. What could have been if he could stay healthy. He was easily going to be the most dominant player since Shaquille O’Neal. I hope we get a good season out of him someday.

I guess that windmill dunk that he made aggravated his injury again. Cheesy

It's just hilarious to see that the Pelican fans got hyped up as he made that dunk but lost in the end.

The Pelicans would be a playoff contender team if only Zion was healthy. At some point a few seasons ago, they were the top seed in the West, but because of him getting injured, they went down and ended up at 7th IIRC. Sometimes, the potential of players is being unleashed when they got traded, so maybe we will only see the full potential of him when he gets traded.

Quote from: OgNasty on January 09, 2025, 04:31:07 PM

Some rumor mill news… Kevin’s Durant wants the Suns to get Jimmy Butler. The only way to dream of doing that is to trade Bradley Beal. Beal says he will only waive his no trade clause to go to the Lakers. So the Heat/Lakers/Suns are supposedly working a trade to send Beal to LA, Jimmy to Phoenix, and everyone else both teams can to Miami.

The question is, will the Lakers have interest in getting Beal? They already have Austin Reaves and Dalton Knecht that could help them in offense. As much as many want them to get a 3rd superstar to have a higher chance in winning another title, I don't think that Beal is the one that can give that to them. In the end, I don't think that this 3-team deal will materialize. Something must change.

TBH, Beal's contract is a mess for other teams. Imagine paying an injury-prone player around $50M per year. It would be a disaster for them.

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Actually, His prime is not that explosive especially his consistency during playoffs which always on/off on crucial games. The previous roster of Miami that highlighted his career is due to well-balanced roster that they have including the bench.

But I doubt he can carry a team solely like the typical star player like Lebron in prime, Luka, Kawhi and so on.

Miami will be happy to trade him to get another promising roster for their future team since they have the best coach.

Yeah, Butler is a fluke when he traded to Miami since he was given a spot light despite his skills as a superstar is not that reliable. I doubt that he can do the same thing once he was traded especially on teams that already have their own young superstar.

His best chance is to go on building team like Wizards or trade him to Pelicans with Zion Williamson since both of them are cancer on their respective team.

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Quote from: Russlenat on January 10, 2025, 07:22:31 AM

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though it's a tough call for KD and with the coaching staff they need to work hard to get the best version of Butler to help the team.

Butler is still in his prime, so we can say he is still at his best version. Maybe they should look for a happier version of Butler, because if he’s not happy, it means there’s no chemistry in the team. And no matter how many superstars they have, it won’t work without chemistry. Just look at OKC - they don’t have a lot of superstars, but they’re playing like an unbeatable team because they have that solid chemistry.

Actually, His prime is not that explosive especially his consistency during playoffs which always on/off on crucial games. The previous roster of Miami that highlighted his career is due to well-balanced roster that they have including the bench.

But I doubt he can carry a team solely like the typical star player like Lebron in prime, Luka, Kawhi and so on.

Miami will be happy to trade him to get another promising roster for their future team since they have the best coach.

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Quote from: Fredomago on January 10, 2025, 07:00:59 AM

though it's a tough call for KD and with the coaching staff they need to work hard to get the best version of Butler to help the team.

Butler is still in his prime, so we can say he is still at his best version. Maybe they should look for a happier version of Butler, because if he’s not happy, it means there’s no chemistry in the team. And no matter how many superstars they have, it won’t work without chemistry. Just look at OKC - they don’t have a lot of superstars, but they’re playing like an unbeatable team because they have that solid chemistry.

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Some rumor mill news… Kevin’s Durant wants the Suns to get Jimmy Butler. The only way to dream of doing that is to trade Bradley Beal. Beal says he will only waive his no trade clause to go to the Lakers. So the Heat/Lakers/Suns are supposedly working a trade to send Beal to LA, Jimmy to Phoenix, and everyone else both teams can to Miami.

That’s definitely going to make the Suns a stronger team, especially if they can build good chemistry.

As for Beal getting traded to LA, I’m not sure what the Lakers could give up since they’ve already traded DLo. Honestly, it might just mess up their rotation again. So for me, this seems pretty complicated and unlikely to happen.

The only player that I think the Lakers is willing to give is Rui or maybe Austin Reaves, and then some future picks if they still have one.

But I also doesn't see that the Lakers are willing to trade specially Reaves who has been a fan favorite already and to be honest, still playing good with them. Although adding Butler will be a great asset for the Lakers but it could disrupt the team's chemistry as you have said.

Let's see though, I read that the Heat want's the trade ASAP.

It's Beal who wanted to play for the Lakers, a 3-way trade might not be workable unless Lakers are willing to give up some of their role players together with their future picks if they still have, as for Phoenix, if they can get Butler and and able to work on him for the betterment of the team it's an additional force for sure, though it's a tough call for KD and with the coaching staff they need to work hard to get the best version of Butler to help the team.

Let's see if what will happen to this possible talks between those teams that are involve for this trade.

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Although Mitchell has a shooting slump, the two big men of the Cavs, Allen and Mobley took the offense for them. They will be facing next on OKC homecourt in January 16. For sure OKC wil take this lost personality and thinking of making a revenge game next.

That’s the big difference between the two teams. If SGA isn’t shooting well, OKC is pretty much done for. But the Cavs? They’ve got plenty of weapons, their bigs can score too, making them a tough team to beat. That said, it’s OKC's home court, so they’ve got the edge. Let’s see if they can level the game.

Anyway, if they end up meeting in the NBA Finals, at least we’ve already got a preview of what to expect! Cheesy

I do agree, there are still a lot of options for the Cavs if their number one offensive player can't produce points. Allen and Mobley take the lead and then we have Dean Wade and Max Struss as well. So it's scary how this team has turn out to be this season and so I would put them in top. Hopefully though they won't choke on the playoffs, as usually Mitchell has this history of choking like when he was still with Utah.

Not sure if they can meet in the finals, the Celtics will have something to say to it, as they are the defending champs. But in the West, it seems that OKC is going to dominate that conference.

I am not saying that we are dealing with a bad team here, but OKC may not turn out to be as good as everyone thinks they are. I am pretty sure that we are going to end up seeing OKC do differently and we are going to see them be great at regular season but not that great at playoffs.

Normally, for a team to be great at playoffs, we need them to go to playoffs for a few seasons first, and get bad results and gain experience. This OKC squad didn't gain that experience just yet, not far enough at least, like losing at conference finals type of situation, that is required normally, not a must though, maybe I am wrong and they will just win straight up. There are plenty of examples for a team to suddenly turn out to be great and win it all, I just do not see OKC that type of team at all.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 09, 2025, 04:31:07 PM

Some rumor mill news… Kevin’s Durant wants the Suns to get Jimmy Butler. The only way to dream of doing that is to trade Bradley Beal. Beal says he will only waive his no trade clause to go to the Lakers. So the Heat/Lakers/Suns are supposedly working a trade to send Beal to LA, Jimmy to Phoenix, and everyone else both teams can to Miami.

Sounds good, but who can the Lakers offer in such a deal? The first thing that comes to mind is that the Lakers could include Reaves in this deal, but I think that would not be a good idea for the Lakers since Reaves is a young and promising player and his current stats are even slightly better than Beal and Butler.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 09, 2025, 04:31:07 PM

Some rumor mill news… Kevin’s Durant wants the Suns to get Jimmy Butler. The only way to dream of doing that is to trade Bradley Beal. Beal says he will only waive his no trade clause to go to the Lakers. So the Heat/Lakers/Suns are supposedly working a trade to send Beal to LA, Jimmy to Phoenix, and everyone else both teams can to Miami.

But Kendrick Perkins is so salty with this idea https://sports.yahoo.com/kendrick-perkins-report-kevin-durant-172809618.html

Somehow his assumption have some basis knowing Durant attitude plus if they team up with Butler which is also known a hard headed player for sure there would be a trouble will happen especially if they didn't click well and have some miscommunication on their rotation or plays.

Again lets just see what will happen to their possible pair up and if this trade to Sun will happen.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 09, 2025, 04:31:07 PM

Some rumor mill news… Kevin’s Durant wants the Suns to get Jimmy Butler. The only way to dream of doing that is to trade Bradley Beal. Beal says he will only waive his no trade clause to go to the Lakers. So the Heat/Lakers/Suns are supposedly working a trade to send Beal to LA, Jimmy to Phoenix, and everyone else both teams can to Miami.

That’s definitely going to make the Suns a stronger team, especially if they can build good chemistry.

As for Beal getting traded to LA, I’m not sure what the Lakers could give up since they’ve already traded DLo. Honestly, it might just mess up their rotation again. So for me, this seems pretty complicated and unlikely to happen.

I try to look at how this things unfolded though, and I was seeing that this could have steamed from the Heat doesn't want to give Jimmy Butler a contract extension for 2 years max contract. Perhaps they want more from Jimmy, and we have seen that he is just like a 40-50 games per season and averaging just below 20 points per game. Others say that Jimmy blame his coach for his performance and now the purposely wanting to create a rift and now they are willing to trade him.

And we should also look at Jimmy age, he is 35 years old and in the next two years his game might decline so that is something his new team should look at as well.

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Quote from: Questat on January 10, 2025, 01:25:51 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 09, 2025, 04:31:07 PM

Some rumor mill news… Kevin’s Durant wants the Suns to get Jimmy Butler. The only way to dream of doing that is to trade Bradley Beal. Beal says he will only waive his no trade clause to go to the Lakers. So the Heat/Lakers/Suns are supposedly working a trade to send Beal to LA, Jimmy to Phoenix, and everyone else both teams can to Miami.

That’s definitely going to make the Suns a stronger team, especially if they can build good chemistry.

As for Beal getting traded to LA, I’m not sure what the Lakers could give up since they’ve already traded DLo. Honestly, it might just mess up their rotation again. So for me, this seems pretty complicated and unlikely to happen.

The only player that I think the Lakers is willing to give is Rui or maybe Austin Reaves, and then some future picks if they still have one.

But I also doesn't see that the Lakers are willing to trade specially Reaves who has been a fan favorite already and to be honest, still playing good with them. Although adding Butler will be a great asset for the Lakers but it could disrupt the team's chemistry as you have said.

Let's see though, I read that the Heat want's the trade ASAP.

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I am pretty sure that Spurs wouldn't want to give the whole farm just to get Butler without a doubt. That is a bad trade, Wemby had one of the greatest starts ever for a Rookie, he scored more points than Lebron did on his first 100 game, blocked more than Mutombo, and rebounded more than Charles Barkley and made more threes than Curry.

I can not even start to explain what that means, this player has done more in so many categories than the stars of those categories, that's the point and I believe he has a bright future and Spurs only needs to build a team around him that makes sense.

If they get Butler, then Butler will leave in a few seasons anyways, but they need to build a squad that could actually do fine, they need to just get good picks and free agents, without losing much of what they already have. They aren't that great right now but they do have a future potential in a few seasons to be back at playoff spot and do great stuff with what they have.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 09, 2025, 04:31:07 PM

Some rumor mill news… Kevin’s Durant wants the Suns to get Jimmy Butler. The only way to dream of doing that is to trade Bradley Beal. Beal says he will only waive his no trade clause to go to the Lakers. So the Heat/Lakers/Suns are supposedly working a trade to send Beal to LA, Jimmy to Phoenix, and everyone else both teams can to Miami.

That’s definitely going to make the Suns a stronger team, especially if they can build good chemistry.

As for Beal getting traded to LA, I’m not sure what the Lakers could give up since they’ve already traded DLo. Honestly, it might just mess up their rotation again. So for me, this seems pretty complicated and unlikely to happen.

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