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January 01, 2024, 04:15:17 AM
Los Angeles Lakers, once a legendary team, are now in decline. They lost 129-109 to New Orleans in the match played last night. Even though LeBron James was the top scorer of the game in Los Angeles with 34 points, this was not enough for the victory.
Boston, the NBA's best team at the moment, defeated San Antonio on the road with a score of 101-134. There is no star basketball player in Boston that I know of, but they play the team game very well. If they do not have any injury problems, the Boston Celtics are the biggest candidate for the championship.
Other match scores of the night are as follows:
Oklahoma 124-108 Brooklyn
Memphis 92-123 Sacramento
Phoenix 112-107 Orlando
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January 01, 2024, 04:11:13 AM
^ I agree, I think with that huge contract, Jaylen Brown will have to show something that he deserved it, and truly he is doing it this season posting great numbers, he average 20 ppg and Tatum 26 ppg, good for the top 25 scorer leader.
$304 million for 5 years, who would not play hard for that kind of reward?
Celtics has to get their investment on him, and it will only happen if Jaylen will continue to play his usual and stay healthy this season and off season, as if he gets injured, I doubt the Celtics will advance in the Finals. But since they have lots of roles players who are willing to contribute day in day out, the burden maybe not that hard compared to the previous season.


So that is huge when 2 of your best players are at least average 20 ppg.

Tatum averages 27PPG from 30PPG last season, while Brown averages 22PPG from 26PPG last season, numbers dropped because others helped them.
Not good on individual numbers, but as a team, it's a success.

Holiday, a great point guard and defender, who would forget his steal on Booker when he was with the Bucks to win it for the Milwaukee team. And KP, doing great as well all around with points and rebounds and block shots. And then their role player providing spark every game.

He can guard Booker but not Jimmy. I hope the Celtics are ready for the underrated Heat this season too.

It could be a drop in average for this two, but they have other player now that is contributing, so I will take that for individual accolades of this two players. They are now in the top and it could continue for the rest of the regular season.

So as you have said, it's team success that's more important.

Jimmy though is big that's why perhaps they lost last year, and then Giannis getting injured that playoff games was the key for them to lose that series. As they can't get it done without him. But didn't team now, let's see if the Heat can even get into the playoffs.
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January 01, 2024, 03:59:45 AM
I know Detroit Pistons are not the best team but their roster is not so bad to have this results, they have between them Bogdanovic a proved player, and they have a number 1 pick in the draft(Cunningham), you cant lose 20+ games in a row with that i think we see worst roster in other teams..
Getting the number 1 pick does not guarantee a win though, this is a team game, so if there's no chemistry on the team, the team will struggle, no matter how good their lead player is.

Pistons tied with 76ers for the longest losing streak in the NBA. IIRC, during the time where the 76ers struggled, they also have their first pick, I think they even have 2 first pick and yet they incur a long losing streak.

This win for the Pistons is big, but we cannot assure they'll not gonna experience a losing streak again.

At least though they have broken that spell and for sure the city is very happy about it, tying the longest streak in the NBA is one of those bad records that you don't want your city to be in. So now it's up to the team to build this momentum and at give more wins this 2024.

Cade doesn't want to disappoint again and so he score 30 points. But it was a tough game though, Toronto made a comeback, but then Cunningham and Jaden Ivey made back to back 3's and that was enough to get their win after 28 games.
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January 01, 2024, 03:39:04 AM
I know Detroit Pistons are not the best team but their roster is not so bad to have this results, they have between them Bogdanovic a proved player, and they have a number 1 pick in the draft(Cunningham), you cant lose 20+ games in a row with that i think we see worst roster in other teams..
Getting the number 1 pick does not guarantee a win though, this is a team game, so if there's no chemistry on the team, the team will struggle, no matter how good their lead player is.

Pistons tied with 76ers for the longest losing streak in the NBA. IIRC, during the time where the 76ers struggled, they also have their first pick, I think they even have 2 first pick and yet they incur a long losing streak.

This win for the Pistons is big, but we cannot assure they'll not gonna experience a losing streak again.
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December 31, 2023, 05:24:57 PM
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If you have ever followed the run of OKC, they're consistent. As you can see on the standings, they're currently ranked two on the West while Nuggets is 3rd.

They've got their key players and not just that they're key players but they're as well as the contributors of the team. SGA is getting the spotlight now and no contest that he's good.
Yeah of course, I know their ranking, but Nuggets are Nuggets, I mean they are the defending champion and they lose that big, and worst is it's on their home court where they are very dominant. I'm impresed with OKC, I think I should respect them and won't be betting against team, even at home or on the road. SGA the man, he should be the MVP of the month?
That's your choice to respect them and it can be applied with any other team but if that type of respect is not to bet against them, that sounds cool.

This version of OKC is like a rebrand and re-roster since this is the first time or season that they've been with Chet as well so, it's a strong contender again.

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On the other hand with Pistons, how long is the contract of Cunningham on them since he's their pick on the draft? 2 - 3 years?

He will stay for a while with the team as he is only RFA in 2025, so there's still 2 years (more or less).
I see, a rebuild is going to happen here for sure. Although they are not doing well this season and recently, they've won against the Raptors. That's like a champ feeling already on them, LOL.
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December 31, 2023, 03:25:02 PM
SGA also has defense compared to other players. Embiid and Jokic are not known for their defense, and that means SGA is better than them at one half of the game, the fact that they are ranked higher is mainly because NBA cares about offense more than they care about defense, not just fans but also the whole entire organization tries to minimize defense as much as possible by calling almost everything a foul, so that is why we are seeing SGA not getting the attention he deserves.

How many players in that list could be considered a great scorer with 30+ ppg and then still be in race for being a great defender at the same time? Giannis could be the only one, he defends well, but he is not a great perimeter defender, he is great at inside, and most teams play outside these days.
I'm not a Philly supporter but embid has made all defensive team 3 times in his career and his defensive ratings are great.  And jokic is just on another level than most other players.  Dude almost averages a triple double.  He is one of the best passers in the league and makes players on his team better.  He is almost unstoppable when he digs in.  Sga is phenomenal but not in the ranks of those 2 yet.
The Jokic part is an easy to defend part, he is great at offense, but what I was talking about is that OKC is running their offense through SGA as well and he also adds defense to his game as well, whereas Jokic might be much better offensively, yes nearly triple double, great work, but he has absolutely no defensive skills at all, that was my point.

I am not saying you need to be amazing on defense to win MVP, I am just saying SGA has a better defense than Jokic. On the other topic, Embiid may have been great at defense so far in his career, and to be fair he isn't bad now neither, but I would say that SGA is better THIS season, that doesn't mean to say that SGA was better all the time, or in general, I just wanted to say this season that is all.
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December 31, 2023, 01:48:46 PM
I know Detroit Pistons are not the best team but their roster is not so bad to have this results, they have between them Bogdanovic a proved player, and they have a number 1 pick in the draft(Cunningham), you cant lose 20+ games in a row with that i think we see worst roster in other teams..
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December 31, 2023, 09:41:12 AM
while the Heat look to have gotten some significant piece from draft picks and a couple of veterans, addition of Zach Lavine wouldn't be a downgrade, neither will it disrupt whatever chemistry they're trying to build now.

It's in the culture, whoever gets added to the team will play within the culture, meaning he has to earn his minutes, without good production and chemistry to the team, Lavine might not gain significant minutes. However, given his talent, and as long as he cooperates and does not seek for special treatment, and I think he can a good duo with Butler as Lavine also good in attacking the paint while maintaining his good 3 point shooting.

Let's wait until the trade deadline though, and see what will happen.

For those who like to get updated, you can see it at https://www.nba.com/news/2023-24-nba-trade-tracker
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December 31, 2023, 09:34:35 AM
I had Pistons to win last night on my betting ticket alongside 76ers ( who ruined my entire bet ) , Mavs and Wolves and I swear whenever I pick 76ers to win , they lose and vice versa...so I think it's safer for me to simply forget 76ers are in NBA  Grin Grin. Overall , I should be happy for Bulls but I'm more happy for Pistons to finally get that win because no one wants to suffer to many defeats in a row ...especially for the mental health.

You had parlay? Sorry mate if 76ers ruined it. But honestly, I would not bet on 76ers without Joel Embiid, although I can say they are still good but the problem is the consistency, missing their best player is really a problem compared to the Bulls who gets better losing Lavine (one of their best players).

Yeah, the Chicago Bulls are slightly better with Zach Lavine sidelined, I'm not saying this makes Lavine a terrible player, but maybe that's not just the team he's meant to be in, while there is a very huge speculation of where he would end up, with a high chance of him getting traded, Raptors were one of those team, now I don't think Raptors is a possible destination after just trading for RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley, the other in question was said to be Miami Heat, while the Heat look to have gotten some significant piece from draft picks and a couple of veterans, addition of Zach Lavine wouldn't be a downgrade, neither will it disrupt whatever chemistry they're trying to build now.
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December 31, 2023, 08:51:29 AM
I had Pistons to win last night on my betting ticket alongside 76ers ( who ruined my entire bet ) , Mavs and Wolves and I swear whenever I pick 76ers to win , they lose and vice versa...so I think it's safer for me to simply forget 76ers are in NBA  Grin Grin. Overall , I should be happy for Bulls but I'm more happy for Pistons to finally get that win because no one wants to suffer to many defeats in a row ...especially for the mental health.

You had parlay? Sorry mate if 76ers ruined it. But honestly, I would not bet on 76ers without Joel Embiid, although I can say they are still good but the problem is the consistency, missing their best player is really a problem compared to the Bulls who gets better losing Lavine (one of their best players).
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December 31, 2023, 08:35:13 AM
I had Pistons to win last night on my betting ticket alongside 76ers ( who ruined my entire bet ) , Mavs and Wolves and I swear whenever I pick 76ers to win , they lose and vice versa...so I think it's safer for me to simply forget 76ers are in NBA  Grin Grin. Overall , I should be happy for Bulls but I'm more happy for Pistons to finally get that win because no one wants to suffer to many defeats in a row ...especially for the mental health.
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December 31, 2023, 08:29:16 AM
Finally! Pistons got the win after the worst losing streak in history and Raptors is the victim. Smiley
I had Cunningham 28+ points bet but Markkanen blew my parlay. He shot 0/7 behind the 3-pt line and could score only 12. Whatever, Pistons won tonight and that's the only important news.
LOL hate to be a Pistons fan this year. Unreal losing streak they are on and it's not like the team is terrible. Pistons actually led at the end of every quarter, maybe this game is a momentum builder for them.



Lots of Piston fans got frustrate about long losing streak they are experiencing then its like they can get more lose since the players is doing a huge mess. Don't actually know what's happening on them since they have good coach and its like they can't connect with each other and their defense is so poor. Provably Piston needs a deep rebuilding process for what they are experiencing now and  they need to figure out the root cause of the problem so that they can find a solution then atleast get a one win since for sure there are lot of fans will be happy for them if they broke that long losing streak.
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December 31, 2023, 08:23:42 AM
Finally! Pistons got the win after the worst losing streak in history and Raptors is the victim. Smiley
I had Cunningham 28+ points bet but Markkanen blew my parlay. He shot 0/7 behind the 3-pt line and could score only 12. Whatever, Pistons won tonight and that's the only important news.
LOL hate to be a Pistons fan this year. Unreal losing streak they are on and it's not like the team is terrible. Pistons actually led at the end of every quarter, maybe this game is a momentum builder for them.
The fans right before the game were chanting "Sell the team! Sell the team!" because they hadn't won since October 28th when they had a 2-1 record.
A big black eye for Toronto Raptors to be that team now!
But atleast they saved Monty Williams the Detroit Piston head coach's sanity. Must feel like a huge weight lifted off his back I would imagine.
Due to the fact it had been 63 days since their last win is unheard of in the NBA as it is a new record for consecutive losses in a single season.
A record no team wants to be synonymous for.
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December 31, 2023, 07:13:42 AM
Finally! Pistons got the win after the worst losing streak in history and Raptors is the victim. Smiley
I had Cunningham 28+ points bet but Markkanen blew my parlay. He shot 0/7 behind the 3-pt line and could score only 12. Whatever, Pistons won tonight and that's the only important news.
LOL hate to be a Pistons fan this year. Unreal losing streak they are on and it's not like the team is terrible. Pistons actually led at the end of every quarter, maybe this game is a momentum builder for them.



Hard to tell though, but as long as they will remain healthy, they might not be able to create another losing streak. First win after a 28 losing streak, it's a big relief for them but that doesn't change anything a lot, they still need to prove that they already figure out how to win the game, not just this one but on the games to come.
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December 31, 2023, 07:04:52 AM
Finally! Pistons got the win after the worst losing streak in history and Raptors is the victim. Smiley
I had Cunningham 28+ points bet but Markkanen blew my parlay. He shot 0/7 behind the 3-pt line and could score only 12. Whatever, Pistons won tonight and that's the only important news.
LOL hate to be a Pistons fan this year. Unreal losing streak they are on and it's not like the team is terrible. Pistons actually led at the end of every quarter, maybe this game is a momentum builder for them.

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December 31, 2023, 06:52:32 AM
Their game against the Celtics was the point when I thought the losing streak could be ending soon. It's a different confidence boost when you know you almost defeated the top team so that carries on to the next game. Unlucky day for the Raptors' 4 out 5 starters since they all registered over 20 points. That would have been a better story if they won but it is what it is.

Some controversy on Lebron's "three" that was ruled as only two points. It's close but it seems the tip of his shoe touched the line.
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December 31, 2023, 06:48:33 AM
Finally! Pistons got the win after the worst losing streak in history and Raptors is the victim. Smiley
I had Cunningham 28+ points bet but Markkanen blew my parlay. He shot 0/7 behind the 3-pt line and could score only 12. Whatever, Pistons won tonight and that's the only important news.
I believe this was one of the surprises at the end of 2023 lol
Even so, it was a very competitive and fierce game... the statistics were similar between the Pistons and Raptors.
Cunningham once again played an important role in the Piston's victory.
I'd say they were lucky to survive a 2 point victory only. Cunningham played well here, he was the best scorer but everyone was playing great basketball with 5 players more from this team scored a double digit. They are due for a win though, they just fell short against the Celtics, but it's a nice way to end the losing streak on their home court.

Detroit's next game will be against the Rockets, can the Pistons win this game?

Nope, I think they'll start losing again. Rockets need a win and I think they'll play harder this time beating the Pistons with a huge margin.
I hope they'll not break their losing streak this season with another one ( if there are more than 28 games remaining).
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December 31, 2023, 03:58:56 AM
Pistons really managed to do something that I didn't think would be possible in the modern basketball world, what was it, 28 loss in a row or something? That feels like you may literally end up winning one game with just luck for that matter. In the last 1 minute of the game, Raptors tried their best, and they tried to make a come back as much as they possibly could. There was like 3 minutes or so left and then they scored another 20 points in that 3-4 minutes of playing. The result was shocking, but also they would eventually win we knew that, Pistons couldn't just goa ll season without winning a single game, we knew that they would eventually win, Raptors happened to be the one.
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December 31, 2023, 03:51:47 AM
Finally! Pistons got the win after the worst losing streak in history and Raptors is the victim. Smiley
I had Cunningham 28+ points bet but Markkanen blew my parlay. He shot 0/7 behind the 3-pt line and could score only 12. Whatever, Pistons won tonight and that's the only important news.
I believe this was one of the surprises at the end of 2023 lol
Even so, it was a very competitive and fierce game... the statistics were similar between the Pistons and Raptors.
Cunningham once again played an important role in the Piston's victory.

Detroit's next game will be against the Rockets, can the Pistons win this game?
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December 31, 2023, 02:29:06 AM
SGA also has defense compared to other players. Embiid and Jokic are not known for their defense, and that means SGA is better than them at one half of the game, the fact that they are ranked higher is mainly because NBA cares about offense more than they care about defense, not just fans but also the whole entire organization tries to minimize defense as much as possible by calling almost everything a foul, so that is why we are seeing SGA not getting the attention he deserves.

How many players in that list could be considered a great scorer with 30+ ppg and then still be in race for being a great defender at the same time? Giannis could be the only one, he defends well, but he is not a great perimeter defender, he is great at inside, and most teams play outside these days.

I'm not a Philly supporter but embid has made all defensive team 3 times in his career and his defensive ratings are great.  And jokic is just on another level than most other players.  Dude almost averages a triple double.  He is one of the best passers in the league and makes players on his team better.  He is almost unstoppable when he digs in.  Sga is phenomenal but not in the ranks of those 2 yet.
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