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January 02, 2024, 07:20:01 PM

Sga is a great young player but embid literally wins games all on his own.  Not just on offense but defense too.  Take embid off that Philly team and they are one of the worst in the league, keep him on and they can contend for a championship.  Putting down embid and jokic in co.parison to sga is a weird angle they are all great.

We can not disagree that 3 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Joel Embiid, and Nikola Jokic were great players in this time period but we can not compare all three that they have the same greatness as everyone knows that each and everyone has their own uniqueness, and each players have their style technique and position when playing basketball, for sure they will draw from that experience and for unlike Joel Embiib and Nikola Jokic Shai Gilgious-Alexander is still a growing athlete,

Nothing betrayal happen to Dray and its pure business matter since he also need to understand that what he do recently can really affect his position on GSW. And since he became a toxic member on the roster for always having a controversy then he should understand that decision like this is likely to happen. Also it make sense to GSW to have good changes and Dray and Wiggins will be a good piece for them to trade then get a good return since I think they still have a good trading value.

GSW is in bad shape so I guess there's something roster adjustment will happen to them since for sure they don't like to be on bad position which they are in trouble to get a slot on playoffs.

Even though Draymond Green was a core foundation for the Golden State Warriors he could be a potential trade in this upcoming trade window, but think about it do you think there are teams that needed the service of Draymond Green in his 33 years of age for sure Draymond Green was only useful in the Warrior Core and the Warriors is a different beast when Draymond is around, but because of the new young players of the Warriors with Trayce Jackson-Davis and Brandin Podziemski the Warriors had a new line of both offense and defense although Green Defense is essential for sure but if he is acting like that then I think the Warriors need to take a hard decision,


Obviously it's not Davis, but something deep that it's hard to understand because after winning the IST, they suddenly become a garbage team. Of course there is rumor of trade of some players, but still though, they should have the momentum after winning.

But they turn into a champion into a mediocre team in an instant. For me it should be Darvin Ham's responsibility, he is the coach after all and it seems that he is not doing his job currently. Make adjustments, but he can't find the right combination.

In my opinion, the Los Angeles Lakers are not deep enough, and if something like getting injured, LeBron James and Anthony Davis are currently happening then they don't have a backup for that this is not really something surprising as the Laker's Austin Reaves is not enough D'Angelo Russell, Rui Hachimura, and Cam Reddish is not consistent enough for the Lakers, I really don't know if they are consistent in training but for sure they are not enough deep for the Lakers,



I never said all 3 were great "exactly alike".  The point was sga is better than embid and jokic and while that might be true in 3-5 years right now both embid and jokic are just on another level.  That's not hate towards sga we are talking the last 2 mvps which were rightly won.  Right now today I don't know the odds but I'd have to say sga isn't in top 5 for mvp at this point, if we are being honest sga can't touch what Luca does.  I'd even go as far as saying haliburton is higher on that board than sga.
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January 02, 2024, 06:41:02 PM
Let's try to go back in history and see this play from Kobe 01-01-2010, what's interesting is that it involved a active coach right now,



Ime Udoka was fouled, go to the free throw  Grin, missed both, LA called a time out and then Kobe says, no OT for a game winner shot.
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January 02, 2024, 05:53:50 PM
The problem with all those trades is always the same, these players like Westbrook or Dangelo RUssel are gonna never find their places in teams who already have his stars, they dont feel good becoming the second guitar they only want to be the main one, and they dont like to be in the second roster, or sharing the ball in the games.
Well, it's their choice and they have options tbh but for the sake of the team I think it really matters if you'll get along with them for years. Players these days just want to be traded along superstars but ended up as a laughingstock whenever the playoffs come because most of them just gonna choke in the end.

For the trade, it's beyond their control, but if they go with the team that could potentially give them a good role and score then it could be a blessing in disguise. Just like with D'Lo, when he join the Lakers there are a lot of expectations from him and he did good early. But the problem is that he is inconsistent and that's why the Lakers are looking to trade him.

And we can say that to other players that are in the trading, or at least they names popping up, like Wiggins. When he join the Warriors, he was instrumental in their 4th championship, then he has problem, came back again but he was different. So his journey might end with the Warriors and maybe he can find a new team that will ignite his passion again.
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January 02, 2024, 05:42:37 PM
The problem with all those trades is always the same, these players like Westbrook or Dangelo RUssel are gonna never find their places in teams who already have his stars, they dont feel good becoming the second guitar they only want to be the main one, and they dont like to be in the second roster, or sharing the ball in the games.
Well, it's their choice and they have options tbh but for the sake of the team I think it really matters if you'll get along with them for years. Players these days just want to be traded along superstars but ended up as a laughingstock whenever the playoffs come because most of them just gonna choke in the end.
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January 02, 2024, 05:35:12 PM
Gabe was not a good trade for the Lakers. And I have heard of the rumor trade from the GSW about releasing Wiggins and  Draymond.
I think that is going to get some good change for the GSW if they will get to trade the two and who are they going to take? I wonder how Dray will feel if he is betrayed like Poole but then, it is a business decision.

Nothing betrayal happen to Dray and its pure business matter since he also need to understand that what he do recently can really affect his position on GSW. And since he became a toxic member on the roster for always having a controversy then he should understand that decision like this is likely to happen. Also it make sense to GSW to have good changes and Dray and Wiggins will be a good piece for them to trade then get a good return since I think they still have a good trading value.

GSW is in bad shape so I guess there's something roster adjustment will happen to them since for sure they don't like to be on bad position which they are in trouble to get a slot on playoffs.
Yeah, it is pure business and this how things work in the NBA. If you are not a franchise player, you'll get traded.
And he's just one of the main support of the team and yet, there's the rumor that the management is willing to trade him.
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January 02, 2024, 04:41:48 PM

Sga is a great young player but embid literally wins games all on his own.  Not just on offense but defense too.  Take embid off that Philly team and they are one of the worst in the league, keep him on and they can contend for a championship.  Putting down embid and jokic in co.parison to sga is a weird angle they are all great.

We can not disagree that 3 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Joel Embiid, and Nikola Jokic were great players in this time period but we can not compare all three that they have the same greatness as everyone knows that each and everyone has their own uniqueness, and each players have their style technique and position when playing basketball, for sure they will draw from that experience and for unlike Joel Embiib and Nikola Jokic Shai Gilgious-Alexander is still a growing athlete,

Nothing betrayal happen to Dray and its pure business matter since he also need to understand that what he do recently can really affect his position on GSW. And since he became a toxic member on the roster for always having a controversy then he should understand that decision like this is likely to happen. Also it make sense to GSW to have good changes and Dray and Wiggins will be a good piece for them to trade then get a good return since I think they still have a good trading value.

GSW is in bad shape so I guess there's something roster adjustment will happen to them since for sure they don't like to be on bad position which they are in trouble to get a slot on playoffs.

Even though Draymond Green was a core foundation for the Golden State Warriors he could be a potential trade in this upcoming trade window, but think about it do you think there are teams that needed the service of Draymond Green in his 33 years of age for sure Draymond Green was only useful in the Warrior Core and the Warriors is a different beast when Draymond is around, but because of the new young players of the Warriors with Trayce Jackson-Davis and Brandin Podziemski the Warriors had a new line of both offense and defense although Green Defense is essential for sure but if he is acting like that then I think the Warriors need to take a hard decision,


Obviously it's not Davis, but something deep that it's hard to understand because after winning the IST, they suddenly become a garbage team. Of course there is rumor of trade of some players, but still though, they should have the momentum after winning.

But they turn into a champion into a mediocre team in an instant. For me it should be Darvin Ham's responsibility, he is the coach after all and it seems that he is not doing his job currently. Make adjustments, but he can't find the right combination.

In my opinion, the Los Angeles Lakers are not deep enough, and if something like getting injured, LeBron James and Anthony Davis are currently happening then they don't have a backup for that this is not really something surprising as the Laker's Austin Reaves is not enough D'Angelo Russell, Rui Hachimura, and Cam Reddish is not consistent enough for the Lakers, I really don't know if they are consistent in training but for sure they are not enough deep for the Lakers,

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January 02, 2024, 03:47:01 PM
To be fair, Lakers are not doing amazing because they are using Lebron as a scorer, not a passer. Lebron can score whenever he wants, doesn't mean that he will score 40 points per game, but he is a capable of scorer, that is not really an issue, he can have the ball, pass anytime he wants, and then score if he sees a chance for him to score.

However, he should be given the ball handling duty and he should be considering that as the most important part of this deal in the end. I believe that we are talking about a situation where it is not going to be all that easy, and we need to consider this as the most important part for him. I believe that the best thing to do right now would be making sure that they give Lebron the PG status.
I saw a post on Facebook regarding this one, and I think the Lakers are putting Lebron as their starting Point Guard for the Lakers.

Lebron is capable of passing like you said, and I agree with you that he needs to be more of a passer than a scorer. The problem sometimes with them is that there are times when no one can step up offensively that's why he's the one who's scoring as well aside from passing. I would love to see Lebron being a passer for the remaining of the season. I mean some of his passes are insane including the iconic no-look pass to Zubac when he's still on the Cavaliers. Cheesy

If what I saw is true, I think he'll be their starting PG. I don't know if how this will affect the team, but he'll be more comfortable I guess being a passer than being a scorer.
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January 02, 2024, 02:45:42 PM
To be fair, Lakers are not doing amazing because they are using Lebron as a scorer, not a passer. Lebron can score whenever he wants, doesn't mean that he will score 40 points per game, but he is a capable of scorer, that is not really an issue, he can have the ball, pass anytime he wants, and then score if he sees a chance for him to score.

However, he should be given the ball handling duty and he should be considering that as the most important part of this deal in the end. I believe that we are talking about a situation where it is not going to be all that easy, and we need to consider this as the most important part for him. I believe that the best thing to do right now would be making sure that they give Lebron the PG status.
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January 02, 2024, 10:33:51 AM
The problem with all those trades is always the same, these players like Westbrook or Dangelo RUssel are gonna never find their places in teams who already have his stars, they dont feel good becoming the second guitar they only want to be the main one, and they dont like to be in the second roster, or sharing the ball in the games.
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January 02, 2024, 08:25:36 AM
And I think that's is the thing, D'Lo did good during the IST tournament as far as I know, he did contribute to the offense as a guard/shooting guard with the Lakers. And so if they just keep on winning, those trade won't happen as they wanted their core to be intact.
Good but not really good, he wasn't shooting well, he was just 6-15 and scored 13 points. Although in other factor which is the assist, he had 7 it's not so impressive coming from a player with good contract.

What's impressive in that game was Reaves   who scored 28 points, he was actually 2nd to Davis who is the top scorer that scored 41 points.

But the problem is as we have seen, after winning why the Lakers play goes down?

Should trading their players is the real answer? Or is this another bad decision on their part again and they seems to really can't find the right players to blend with Lebron and Davis.

They made a good decision when they traded Westbrook, maybe this team they will still make a good one.
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January 02, 2024, 08:13:52 AM

And I think that's is the thing, D'Lo did good during the IST tournament as far as I know, he did contribute to the offense as a guard/shooting guard with the Lakers. And so if they just keep on winning, those trade won't happen as they wanted their core to be intact.

But the problem is as we have seen, after winning why the Lakers play goes down?

Should trading their players is the real answer? Or is this another bad decision on their part again and they seems to really can't find the right players to blend with Lebron and Davis.

A good question that they need to figure it out, is it the players or the coaching personnel who always relying with LeBron? Pairing players
with Both Bron and Davis should not be an issue.

They both playing to compete and what they are needed is someone who can play the same level, correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that the blending
of players inside should be the thing that the coaching staff needs to fix.

Trading though might be another option, finding players who can adds up to the level of competitiveness of Davis and LeBron someone who
can give both stars some rest but still have that same level executions.
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January 02, 2024, 07:42:07 AM
It's amazing how Los Angeles, which won its first in-season tournament as champions, ended up in such a bad situation.
Yes, LeBron is the star of the team, but despite his age, he plays more than 35 minutes in these matches. If there is no other player next to LeBron who can support him and contribute to his scoring, the championship is considered a dream. Anthony Davis looks far from his old form. Injuries set him back a lot. If he regains his old form, LeBron and Anthony will be enough for Los Angeles.

If you look at Davis' stats, you'll notice that he averages both scoring and rebounding this regular season as well as he did for the Pelicans earlier in his career. So, I don't think he's the reason why the Lakers have been so mediocre. The reason is clearly something else, and the Lakers need to figure it out as soon as possible since they have only won 3 games after winning the in-season tournament.

Obviously it's not Davis, but something deep that it's hard to understand because after winning the IST, they suddenly become a garbage team. Of course there is rumor of trade of some players, but still though, they should have the momentum after winning.

But they turn into a champion into a mediocre team in an instant. For me it should be Darvin Ham's responsibility, he is the coach after all and it seems that he is not doing his job currently. Make adjustments, but he can't find the right combination.

You shouldn't be surprise with the players now. They were just exactly the same team last season, they qualify the play-in and  reach the playoffs. In fact, they reach the WCF but fall to the Nuggets. That's how dangerous the Lakers are, they seemed to be more competitive in important games, just like what they did during the in season championship, if you guys still remember.

Maybe there are players that will be traded but Davis and Lebron will remain. They have made changes already in the past but Davis was still there, so it's most likely D Angelo Russell that will be traded, that's for sure.

And I think that's is the thing, D'Lo did good during the IST tournament as far as I know, he did contribute to the offense as a guard/shooting guard with the Lakers. And so if they just keep on winning, those trade won't happen as they wanted their core to be intact.

But the problem is as we have seen, after winning why the Lakers play goes down?

Should trading their players is the real answer? Or is this another bad decision on their part again and they seems to really can't find the right players to blend with Lebron and Davis.
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January 02, 2024, 07:40:08 AM
It's definitely not just him. Davis had a lot of injury trouble last year (if memory serves).
In the last game, LeBron and Davis tried to keep the team alive, but they were not enough. Even if two of them show performance that will win the match, the other friends should also contribute to the score at least a little. Last year there was Dennis Schroder and he also contributed well from time to time. He contributed an average of 10 points. He also went to Toronto. When it comes to NBA, many people think of the Los Angeles Lakers and I hope they get out of this bad situation as soon as possible.
I believe something similar is happening with the Lakers like in the last season...
In the 22-23 season they had a regular performance, they had the capacity to get a good seed in the playoffs but finished in 7th place in the regular season.
I even imagine that the Lakers situation is unknown, they are a good team, but I don't know what's happening with them either, I don't know if it's a lack of chemistry between the players, staff or something like that, I imagined that one of the problems could be the current coach at that time (Frank Vogel), but he was traded to the Suns and Darvin Ham replaced him, but even so I feel that the Lakers are not that team with great potential that many fans (including myself) would be waiting.

But one thing I know, I have no doubt that the Lakers are still a dangerous team in the playoffs.
Last season they proved this, they had a season with a regular performance, they managed 7th place in the regular season and even so they reached the conference finals against the Nuggets.
I even dare to say that perhaps there is a missing player to help LJ and AD when either of them are tired and that he can take on the responsibility... I don't know if D'Angelo Russell, Prince, Hachimura or Reaves are ready for this (although they are "key players" who can help the team)


 I also believe that the Los Angeles Lakers will make it to the play-offs. The nice thing about basketball is that even if you haven't done anything during the season and get into the play-offs, you still have a chance to win the championship.
When LJ and Anthony get tired, D Angelo Russel may be the player who will take the scoring load. He is both young and has a lot of energy to prove himself to be a star.
 I always follow the Lakers because of the king of the NBA. Almost like LeBron, I follow his team. LJ is undoubtedly the biggest legend after Jordan
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January 02, 2024, 07:38:01 AM
It's amazing how Los Angeles, which won its first in-season tournament as champions, ended up in such a bad situation.
Yes, LeBron is the star of the team, but despite his age, he plays more than 35 minutes in these matches. If there is no other player next to LeBron who can support him and contribute to his scoring, the championship is considered a dream. Anthony Davis looks far from his old form. Injuries set him back a lot. If he regains his old form, LeBron and Anthony will be enough for Los Angeles.

If you look at Davis' stats, you'll notice that he averages both scoring and rebounding this regular season as well as he did for the Pelicans earlier in his career. So, I don't think he's the reason why the Lakers have been so mediocre. The reason is clearly something else, and the Lakers need to figure it out as soon as possible since they have only won 3 games after winning the in-season tournament.

Obviously it's not Davis, but something deep that it's hard to understand because after winning the IST, they suddenly become a garbage team. Of course there is rumor of trade of some players, but still though, they should have the momentum after winning.

But they turn into a champion into a mediocre team in an instant. For me it should be Darvin Ham's responsibility, he is the coach after all and it seems that he is not doing his job currently. Make adjustments, but he can't find the right combination.

You shouldn't be surprise with the players now. They were just exactly the same team last season, they qualify the play-in and  reach the playoffs. In fact, they reach the WCF but fall to the Nuggets. That's how dangerous the Lakers are, they seemed to be more competitive in important games, just like what they did during the in season championship, if you guys still remember.

Maybe there are players that will be traded but Davis and Lebron will remain. They have made changes already in the past but Davis was still there, so it's most likely D Angelo Russell that will be traded, that's for sure.
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January 02, 2024, 07:33:43 AM
It's definitely not just him. Davis had a lot of injury trouble last year (if memory serves).
In the last game, LeBron and Davis tried to keep the team alive, but they were not enough. Even if two of them show performance that will win the match, the other friends should also contribute to the score at least a little. Last year there was Dennis Schroder and he also contributed well from time to time. He contributed an average of 10 points. He also went to Toronto. When it comes to NBA, many people think of the Los Angeles Lakers and I hope they get out of this bad situation as soon as possible.
I believe something similar is happening with the Lakers like in the last season...
In the 22-23 season they had a regular performance, they had the capacity to get a good seed in the playoffs but finished in 7th place in the regular season.
I even imagine that the Lakers situation is unknown, they are a good team, but I don't know what's happening with them either, I don't know if it's a lack of chemistry between the players, staff or something like that, I imagined that one of the problems could be the current coach at that time (Frank Vogel), but he was traded to the Suns and Darvin Ham replaced him, but even so I feel that the Lakers are not that team with great potential that many fans (including myself) would be waiting.

But one thing I know, I have no doubt that the Lakers are still a dangerous team in the playoffs.
Last season they proved this, they had a season with a regular performance, they managed 7th place in the regular season and even so they reached the conference finals against the Nuggets.
I even dare to say that perhaps there is a missing player to help LJ and AD when either of them are tired and that he can take on the responsibility... I don't know if D'Angelo Russell, Prince, Hachimura or Reaves are ready for this (although they are "key players" who can help the team)
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January 02, 2024, 06:48:35 AM
It's amazing how Los Angeles, which won its first in-season tournament as champions, ended up in such a bad situation.
Yes, LeBron is the star of the team, but despite his age, he plays more than 35 minutes in these matches. If there is no other player next to LeBron who can support him and contribute to his scoring, the championship is considered a dream. Anthony Davis looks far from his old form. Injuries set him back a lot. If he regains his old form, LeBron and Anthony will be enough for Los Angeles.

If you look at Davis' stats, you'll notice that he averages both scoring and rebounding this regular season as well as he did for the Pelicans earlier in his career. So, I don't think he's the reason why the Lakers have been so mediocre. The reason is clearly something else, and the Lakers need to figure it out as soon as possible since they have only won 3 games after winning the in-season tournament.

Obviously it's not Davis, but something deep that it's hard to understand because after winning the IST, they suddenly become a garbage team. Of course there is rumor of trade of some players, but still though, they should have the momentum after winning.

But they turn into a champion into a mediocre team in an instant. For me it should be Darvin Ham's responsibility, he is the coach after all and it seems that he is not doing his job currently. Make adjustments, but he can't find the right combination.
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January 02, 2024, 05:51:50 AM
It's amazing how Los Angeles, which won its first in-season tournament as champions, ended up in such a bad situation.
Yes, LeBron is the star of the team, but despite his age, he plays more than 35 minutes in these matches. If there is no other player next to LeBron who can support him and contribute to his scoring, the championship is considered a dream. Anthony Davis looks far from his old form. Injuries set him back a lot. If he regains his old form, LeBron and Anthony will be enough for Los Angeles.

If you look at Davis' stats, you'll notice that he averages both scoring and rebounding this regular season as well as he did for the Pelicans earlier in his career. So, I don't think he's the reason why the Lakers have been so mediocre. The reason is clearly something else, and the Lakers need to figure it out as soon as possible since they have only won 3 games after winning the in-season tournament.

It's definitely not just him. Davis had a lot of injury trouble last year (if memory serves).
In the last game, LeBron and Davis tried to keep the team alive, but they were not enough. Even if two of them show performance that will win the match, the other friends should also contribute to the score at least a little. Last year there was Dennis Schroder and he also contributed well from time to time. He contributed an average of 10 points. He also went to Toronto. When it comes to NBA, many people think of the Los Angeles Lakers and I hope they get out of this bad situation as soon as possible.
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January 02, 2024, 02:34:58 AM
Good to see that the Pistons losing streak is over, but they are still the underdog in their next game against the Rockets and so they might start a new losing streak  Grin.
The Detroit Pistons will be underdogs for a long time unless they are playing against the likes of the Portland Trail Blazers, Washington Wizards, and San Antonio Spurs. We might see a bit of spread added to those games. I think it will only change if they make some movement before the deadline on February 8, 2024. Big movements are what they need.

All-Star voting continues until January 20. Votes cast today will be counted 3x.
Don't forget to vote for Alperen Şengün in the voting. He deserves to be an All-Star with the play he played this season. He became the locomotive that carried the Rockets and broke records in many areas as a young big man. He would be an entertaining All-Star player with his passes, he is already a very sympathetic person. I hope the coaches, media and players pick him even if he isn't picked in the top 5.
Oh yeah! Count me in! I will be voting for that dude.
Here are my picks.

https://vote.nba.com/en
It will be in Indy, don't forget to vote for Hali. He had done a good job putting the Pacers in the Finals of the NBA Cup. They may have not won it but that's a great feat for a young team like them. Stats-wise, he is also the leader in assists with a 12.7 average per game. That's nasty. That young player is playing like Steve Nash of the Phoenix Suns back when he got a back-to-back season MVP who also led the league in assists. I think he deserves to be an All-Star even if this will not be in Indy.
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January 01, 2024, 11:13:32 PM
It's amazing how Los Angeles, which won its first in-season tournament as champions, ended up in such a bad situation.
Yes, LeBron is the star of the team, but despite his age, he plays more than 35 minutes in these matches. If there is no other player next to LeBron who can support him and contribute to his scoring, the championship is considered a dream. Anthony Davis looks far from his old form. Injuries set him back a lot. If he regains his old form, LeBron and Anthony will be enough for Los Angeles.

If you look at Davis' stats, you'll notice that he averages both scoring and rebounding this regular season as well as he did for the Pelicans earlier in his career. So, I don't think he's the reason why the Lakers have been so mediocre. The reason is clearly something else, and the Lakers need to figure it out as soon as possible since they have only won 3 games after winning the in-season tournament.
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January 01, 2024, 07:27:07 PM
Gabe was not a good trade for the Lakers. And I have heard of the rumor trade from the GSW about releasing Wiggins and  Draymond.
I think that is going to get some good change for the GSW if they will get to trade the two and who are they going to take? I wonder how Dray will feel if he is betrayed like Poole but then, it is a business decision.

Gabe was not traded to the Lakers actually, they signed him as a replacement for Dennis Schroder which obviously didn't go well so far as we all have seen about his performance, plus he is now become one of the biggest liability to the Lakers for being out most of the games they played due to injury. Well, can't blame the Lakers management because Gabe played very well in the playoffs playing for Miami Heat but now he looks like being robbed of his talent disappeared when the team needed him lol.
On the other hand, the GSW will pull a trade for sure because they seriously needs adjustments, otherwise they'll losing.
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