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January 05, 2025, 04:02:34 PM
How much do you think Anthony Edwards is missing Karl Anthony Towns right now? KAT wasn’t valued during his stay in Minnesota. Letting him go to keep Gobert was one of the dumbest management decisions of all time.
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January 05, 2025, 03:21:11 PM
The real question will be; could Miami get something decent in return of Butler after all of this? I mean I do not think that Butlers value is that high anymore, his "talents" aren't even as good as it used to be, but even if you consider him talented, when he goes to a new team, he will do great for a short while, put his best foot forward, just to show that he is still great but after a month or two he will go back to being a mediocre player to be fair.

So I do not see any team offering much for him, plus Miami wants him gone, and Butler wants to leave, so in that situation no team would give the farm, they know Miami won't get too many great offers so everyone will offer something small. I think it is going to be tough to get a good deal for Miami.
If Pat Riley and the Heat decide to let Butler go and trade him, I'm pretty sure there will be a team willing to pay a decent load for him. I think a team like Portland or maybe the Jazz would take a chance on getting a veteran presence for all their young talent to look up to. Butler isn't exactly trash, probably just acting up to force Miami to give him the trade.
The problem though is that the other team might end up losing the whole trade because Butler's contract is ending after this regular season as well. This might end up them giving players and picks to the Heat only to end up losing Butler because he wants to be a free agent.

This is the reason why even the Warriors who many think was his destination last few weeks ago chose to not pursue him in exchange for Wiggins and/or Kuminga. He's veteran presence would be a big help for the young players, but some are hesitant I believe because of his contract, and they would rather wait for him to be a free agent before getting him. Like you, I don't see him as trash as well and we just saw how he carried the Heat during the 2020 playoffs.
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January 05, 2025, 01:06:25 PM
Derrick Rose's jersey is being retired. Chicago Bulls legend Rose wore jersey number 1. Starting next season, no one will be able to wear the No. 1 jersey in Bulls.
Rose, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2008 draft, became the youngest MVP in NBA history in 2011. Had he not suffered serious injuries, he could have had an incredible career full of championships. Rose retired at the end of last season and although he has played for other teams, his jersey is being retired as a Chicago legend.
The Chicago Bulls have previously retired the jerseys of Jerry Sloan (4), Bob Love (10), Michael Jordan (23) and Scottie Pippen (33). Rose's No. 1 jersey will be the fifth jersey to be retired.
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January 05, 2025, 11:11:40 AM
The real question will be; could Miami get something decent in return of Butler after all of this? I mean I do not think that Butlers value is that high anymore, his "talents" aren't even as good as it used to be, but even if you consider him talented, when he goes to a new team, he will do great for a short while, put his best foot forward, just to show that he is still great but after a month or two he will go back to being a mediocre player to be fair.

So I do not see any team offering much for him, plus Miami wants him gone, and Butler wants to leave, so in that situation no team would give the farm, they know Miami won't get too many great offers so everyone will offer something small. I think it is going to be tough to get a good deal for Miami.
If Pat Riley and the Heat decide to let Butler go and trade him, I'm pretty sure there will be a team willing to pay a decent load for him. I think a team like Portland or maybe the Jazz would take a chance on getting a veteran presence for all their young talent to look up to. Butler isn't exactly trash, probably just acting up to force Miami to give him the trade.
Pat Riley??? Well, this move is surer than ever and I like to say that I share some of your views, but certainly not all. As you see it as off, many others see it as a good move and I don't think both parties see it otherwise with their current relationship. Jimmy Butler can't be in the Heat forever even without issues, he has done his bit, it's now left to what's best for the two parties going forward.

We can't deny the obvious sagas, so we shouldn't be one-sided with this. It's a business for Heat too, the best and well-cooperating team is needed, Butler's good replacements are also many.

As for Butler, I wish him well but don't forget that as being seasoned and experienced matters, character matters too. We should not undermine arrogance, it may devalue the person if care is not taken.
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January 05, 2025, 07:50:24 AM
Let's talk about the Warriors winning today against Memphis without Steph Curry Brandin Podziemski and Gary Payton II. Although Memphis also didn't have Ja Morant, but it's very interesting to see how the bench has help the Warriors win this one, six players have scored double digits for them, lead by Andrew Wiggins to have a sensational 3rd quarter explosion. And everyone who was inserted by Steve Kerr at least scored two points, so that is a good indication that the Warriors are still very much looking for a playoff spot and Dennis has settled down as the team's point guard as he dished out 9 assists.

However, for sure they could have been distractions as there are reports that the Warriors are interested on acquiring Jimmy Butler from the Heat and it might take several players from them who contributed in this win.
The chemistry is too high with the Warriors. They played that same level against the 76ers and they are shooting very well in the 3-point lane in the last few games. I can say they are enjoying the company of each other and ever since Schroder came, they have become a very different team. They need Steph Curry without any doubt but with Schroder and Hield right there, he is covered. Then, Wiggins is playing like a two-way player again and then there's the bench who contributes every time they will be given minutes. That's now their 2nd winning streak, I do wish they could continue.
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January 05, 2025, 07:24:15 AM
Playoff Jimmy was really different, in the bubble they almost made a upset against the Lakers with Jimmy leading and the players around him is very different. So if he goes to a team that has a lot of role players and they know their spot, maybe Jimmy can bring that team to the playoff and be as competitive as they can be.
That’s classic Jimmy, helping the team stay competitive even with undrafted players.
However, I don’t think all the credit should go to him.. Let’s not forget, Jimmy was with other teams before being traded to the Heat, and he wasn’t as effective there.

I think the Heat’s success has a lot to do with their coaching staff, because their system is so solid that whoever they get in exchange for Jimmy will likely still fit and contribute to the team’s success. It’s their culture and system than just one player, that's what I'm seeing.
Jimmy cannot do it all without the support of his good teammates. We saw that everyone step up and connect together that's why their Playoffs run became more exciting. But now I guess this will not happen on Heat anymore since both parties is ready to part ways so hopefully they could have a good deal so that both of teams will win on possible trades they made.

This is the teams possible landing spot of Butler,

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Golden State Warriors.
Memphis Grizzlies.
Dallas Mavericks.
Denver Nuggets.
New York Knicks.

Read from this source about this https://sports.yahoo.com/jimmy-butler-landing-spots-5-015614757.html

Would love to see Butler wearing Nuggets Jersey since he's perfectly fit there.
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January 05, 2025, 07:00:01 AM
Butler has proven he can lead teams deep into the playoffs, as he’s done twice in his career (though he fell short of winning it all, IIRC).
This trade could be a big opportunity for both sides if done right.

Playoff Jimmy was really different, in the bubble they almost made a upset against the Lakers with Jimmy leading and the players around him is very different. So if he goes to a team that has a lot of role players and they know their spot, maybe Jimmy can bring that team to the playoff and be as competitive as they can be.
That’s classic Jimmy, helping the team stay competitive even with undrafted players.
However, I don’t think all the credit should go to him.. Let’s not forget, Jimmy was with other teams before being traded to the Heat, and he wasn’t as effective there.

I think the Heat’s success has a lot to do with their coaching staff, because their system is so solid that whoever they get in exchange for Jimmy will likely still fit and contribute to the team’s success. It’s their culture and system than just one player, that's what I'm seeing.
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January 05, 2025, 06:05:24 AM
Let's talk about the Warriors winning today against Memphis without Steph Curry Brandin Podziemski and Gary Payton II. Although Memphis also didn't have Ja Morant, but it's very interesting to see how the bench has help the Warriors win this one, six players have scored double digits for them, lead by Andrew Wiggins to have a sensational 3rd quarter explosion. And everyone who was inserted by Steve Kerr at least scored two points, so that is a good indication that the Warriors are still very much looking for a playoff spot and Dennis has settled down as the team's point guard as he dished out 9 assists.

However, for sure they could have been distractions as there are reports that the Warriors are interested on acquiring Jimmy Butler from the Heat and it might take several players from them who contributed in this win.
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January 05, 2025, 03:34:28 AM
To be fair, this is what Butler does anytime he gets a chance, so I do not think that we are going to end up with anything new here. He plays for a team for a while, gets mad when they don't win, and stops caring, plays terrible, talks to media about wanting to leave, and forces the team to trade him.

This isn't the firs time, I can think of three other times, Chicago, Minnesota, and Sixers, he did these same things there before and I am pretty sure that he is doing now too, but at one point he is not going to be a good enough player to pull this off, so he will be eventually waived, and no team will want to get him. That's not really a shocker, it has happened before to other players like Melo for example, so we can see it happen to Butler as well.

Melo though was no longer in his prime and been a liable to the team that he played in the last remaining year of his career. But Jimmy can still definitely ball and can lead the team just like what he did in Miami.

Maybe he has history with those teams that you mentioned that he played before, but as far as I can remember during his stay with Sixers, it was mostly his teammates or he didn't want to play with the likes of Joel and Ben Simmons that time.

So I think there will still be some teams that are interested and I do not think that he will be eventually waived, unless his game deteriorate.
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January 05, 2025, 03:09:32 AM
To be fair, this is what Butler does anytime he gets a chance, so I do not think that we are going to end up with anything new here. He plays for a team for a while, gets mad when they don't win, and stops caring, plays terrible, talks to media about wanting to leave, and forces the team to trade him.

This isn't the firs time, I can think of three other times, Chicago, Minnesota, and Sixers, he did these same things there before and I am pretty sure that he is doing now too, but at one point he is not going to be a good enough player to pull this off, so he will be eventually waived, and no team will want to get him. That's not really a shocker, it has happened before to other players like Melo for example, so we can see it happen to Butler as well.
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January 05, 2025, 03:08:41 AM
The real question will be; could Miami get something decent in return of Butler after all of this? I mean I do not think that Butlers value is that high anymore, his "talents" aren't even as good as it used to be, but even if you consider him talented, when he goes to a new team, he will do great for a short while, put his best foot forward, just to show that he is still great but after a month or two he will go back to being a mediocre player to be fair.

So I do not see any team offering much for him, plus Miami wants him gone, and Butler wants to leave, so in that situation no team would give the farm, they know Miami won't get too many great offers so everyone will offer something small. I think it is going to be tough to get a good deal for Miami.
They should be getting good value in return; otherwise, the trade wouldn’t happen. Butler still has strong market value, and the teams likely interested in him are playoff contenders looking to boost their chances of reaching the championship.

Yes, Miami Heat could get a good value here, maybe 1 or 2 players and then future picks for the Heat or maybe involved another team and make this a blockbuster trade. Jimmy is still marketable and many teams might want to take a risk on him.

Butler has proven he can lead teams deep into the playoffs, as he’s done twice in his career (though he fell short of winning it all, IIRC).
This trade could be a big opportunity for both sides if done right.

Playoff Jimmy was really different, in the bubble they almost made a upset against the Lakers with Jimmy leading and the players around him is very different. So if he goes to a team that has a lot of role players and they know their spot, maybe Jimmy can bring that team to the playoff and be as competitive as they can be.
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January 05, 2025, 02:57:47 AM
The real question will be; could Miami get something decent in return of Butler after all of this? I mean I do not think that Butlers value is that high anymore, his "talents" aren't even as good as it used to be, but even if you consider him talented, when he goes to a new team, he will do great for a short while, put his best foot forward, just to show that he is still great but after a month or two he will go back to being a mediocre player to be fair.

So I do not see any team offering much for him, plus Miami wants him gone, and Butler wants to leave, so in that situation no team would give the farm, they know Miami won't get too many great offers so everyone will offer something small. I think it is going to be tough to get a good deal for Miami.
If Pat Riley and the Heat decide to let Butler go and trade him, I'm pretty sure there will be a team willing to pay a decent load for him. I think a team like Portland or maybe the Jazz would take a chance on getting a veteran presence for all their young talent to look up to. Butler isn't exactly trash, probably just acting up to force Miami to give him the trade.
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January 05, 2025, 02:29:18 AM
The real question will be; could Miami get something decent in return of Butler after all of this? I mean I do not think that Butlers value is that high anymore, his "talents" aren't even as good as it used to be, but even if you consider him talented, when he goes to a new team, he will do great for a short while, put his best foot forward, just to show that he is still great but after a month or two he will go back to being a mediocre player to be fair.

So I do not see any team offering much for him, plus Miami wants him gone, and Butler wants to leave, so in that situation no team would give the farm, they know Miami won't get too many great offers so everyone will offer something small. I think it is going to be tough to get a good deal for Miami.
They should be getting good value in return; otherwise, the trade wouldn’t happen. Butler still has strong market value, and the teams likely interested in him are playoff contenders looking to boost their chances of reaching the championship.

Butler has proven he can lead teams deep into the playoffs, as he’s done twice in his career (though he fell short of winning it all, IIRC).
This trade could be a big opportunity for both sides if done right.
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January 04, 2025, 11:56:52 PM
The real question will be; could Miami get something decent in return of Butler after all of this? I mean I do not think that Butlers value is that high anymore, his "talents" aren't even as good as it used to be, but even if you consider him talented, when he goes to a new team, he will do great for a short while, put his best foot forward, just to show that he is still great but after a month or two he will go back to being a mediocre player to be fair.

So I do not see any team offering much for him, plus Miami wants him gone, and Butler wants to leave, so in that situation no team would give the farm, they know Miami won't get too many great offers so everyone will offer something small. I think it is going to be tough to get a good deal for Miami.
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January 04, 2025, 06:28:14 PM
What do you think guys? Which team will Jimmy likely to go or his preferred team?
AFAIK, he doesn't have any preferred team. Whoever takes him, he'd go.

What if he go to the Jazz? LOL. This article[1] says three potential teams where he's good to land, Grizzlies, Magic or Rockets.

[1] https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/best-landing-spots-trade-packages-miami-heat-star-jimmy-butler

Still up to the Miami Heat management as where he will go. I mean there are a lot of offers, but they will need to study as who will be that great addition to the team before they left Butler go.

And as we can see, there are a lot of teams that are interested on him, and so they will have to offer something that the Heat can't refuse. Just too bad to see how the relationship between the Heat and Butler has turned out. But that's basketball though, and in any sports there are a lot of twists and turns involving their star player. No one can forget how Lebron left the Cavs for the first time.
Yeah right.

They need to get the most from this trade. If they'll get significant good players from trading Jimmy, they're on the win still for this trade.

But if they just want to get rid of him and they're all done due to reason that they've seen, they'd just accept whoever they want to trade him for.

It only makes sense for a team who are contenders this year.  Jimmy is 35, teams like Utah wont want to give up valuable assets for jimmy since by the time they are good again jimmy will be well past his good years.  It is crazy how this all went down.  Sounds like there is more to this than whats being reported.  Be interested to see where he lands.
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January 04, 2025, 05:18:56 PM
What do you think guys? Which team will Jimmy likely to go or his preferred team?
AFAIK, he doesn't have any preferred team. Whoever takes him, he'd go.

What if he go to the Jazz? LOL. This article[1] says three potential teams where he's good to land, Grizzlies, Magic or Rockets.

[1] https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/best-landing-spots-trade-packages-miami-heat-star-jimmy-butler

Still up to the Miami Heat management as where he will go. I mean there are a lot of offers, but they will need to study as who will be that great addition to the team before they left Butler go.

And as we can see, there are a lot of teams that are interested on him, and so they will have to offer something that the Heat can't refuse. Just too bad to see how the relationship between the Heat and Butler has turned out. But that's basketball though, and in any sports there are a lot of twists and turns involving their star player. No one can forget how Lebron left the Cavs for the first time.
Yeah right.

They need to get the most from this trade. If they'll get significant good players from trading Jimmy, they're on the win still for this trade.

But if they just want to get rid of him and they're all done due to reason that they've seen, they'd just accept whoever they want to trade him for.
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January 04, 2025, 04:42:33 PM
What do you think guys? Which team will Jimmy likely to go or his preferred team?
AFAIK, he doesn't have any preferred team. Whoever takes him, he'd go.

What if he go to the Jazz? LOL. This article[1] says three potential teams where he's good to land, Grizzlies, Magic or Rockets.

[1] https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/best-landing-spots-trade-packages-miami-heat-star-jimmy-butler

Still up to the Miami Heat management as where he will go. I mean there are a lot of offers, but they will need to study as who will be that great addition to the team before they left Butler go.

And as we can see, there are a lot of teams that are interested on him, and so they will have to offer something that the Heat can't refuse. Just too bad to see how the relationship between the Heat and Butler has turned out. But that's basketball though, and in any sports there are a lot of twists and turns involving their star player. No one can forget how Lebron left the Cavs for the first time.
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January 04, 2025, 04:08:52 PM
What do you think guys? Which team will Jimmy likely to go or his preferred team?
AFAIK, he doesn't have any preferred team. Whoever takes him, he'd go.

What if he go to the Jazz? LOL. This article[1] says three potential teams where he's good to land, Grizzlies, Magic or Rockets.

[1] https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/best-landing-spots-trade-packages-miami-heat-star-jimmy-butler
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January 04, 2025, 04:01:49 PM
And it's now official folks,



https://x.com/MiamiHEAT/status/1875333072444649849

After Shams break the news and then Jimmy last statement, Miami Heat suspend him for 7 games and now are willing to listen to offers from other teams. So it's going to be a race as who will offer the package that Pat Riley and the Heat management are willing to take.

What do you think guys? Which team will Jimmy likely to go or his preferred team?

On one hand, Butler's stats are getting worse, and other teams are unlikely to offer the Heat some superstar for him. On the other hand, Butler's contract size is so large that the Heat could get some good role players for the same money. Personally, I think Middleton might be a good fit for the Heat.

His numbers are going down because as what he says, he is not happy at all. It was huge because he is their franchise player that brought them in the finals again unfortunately, they didn't win. I remember them in their playoffs games wherein they are the underdog and won some games on them with a 3.x odds. I do not think that the Heat will take 1on1 trade, there could be some leverage for them including role players. But they need some big names too as no one will lead their team.

This could be a blessings for some of their players like Bam and Tyler Hero to stop up and become the next leader. So it's really hard to see which team that Butler will land as he is a flexible player and I think he will fit in any teams.

I think his unhappiness isn’t the only cause for his decline. He’s 35 years old. I doubt he’ll get another shot at a championship with his contract. He probably realizes that his window is rapidly closing and doesn’t want to waste the end of his career in Miami. Pat Riley doesn’t care though. At this point I think his reputation as a hard ass is more important to him than winning.
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January 04, 2025, 03:48:36 PM
And it's now official folks,



https://x.com/MiamiHEAT/status/1875333072444649849

After Shams break the news and then Jimmy last statement, Miami Heat suspend him for 7 games and now are willing to listen to offers from other teams. So it's going to be a race as who will offer the package that Pat Riley and the Heat management are willing to take.

What do you think guys? Which team will Jimmy likely to go or his preferred team?

On one hand, Butler's stats are getting worse, and other teams are unlikely to offer the Heat some superstar for him. On the other hand, Butler's contract size is so large that the Heat could get some good role players for the same money. Personally, I think Middleton might be a good fit for the Heat.

His numbers are going down because as what he says, he is not happy at all. It was huge because he is their franchise player that brought them in the finals again unfortunately, they didn't win. I remember them in their playoffs games wherein they are the underdog and won some games on them with a 3.x odds. I do not think that the Heat will take 1on1 trade, there could be some leverage for them including role players. But they need some big names too as no one will lead their team.

This could be a blessings for some of their players like Bam and Tyler Hero to stop up and become the next leader. So it's really hard to see which team that Butler will land as he is a flexible player and I think he will fit in any teams.
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