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Quote from: danherbias07 on November 25, 2024, 10:40:24 AM

Westbrook had been a great help for Jokic in these past few games. Rebounding, defense, although his offense is on and off. But, you could always see his energy and aggressiveness, his will to win has never faded away, it's still there and I bet he now thinks he might get a ring in this team. Finally, if ever.

About that slap shot by Jokic, that could've been amazing if he made that. Here in our country who plays street basketball, we call that "pulso" although the English term for it is pulse, the real definition for us (street basketball) is wrist strength. The same with those who play badminton and who can always spike the shuttlecock like it's a speeding bullet. I think Jokic has a soft hand but a strong wrist and I don't think that can be taught, it's natural.

With the way Jokic players, Westbrook is a great help for him because of their playstyles complimenting each other a lot. Westbrook was never a great passer, sure he did average triple double, meaning he had seasons with 10+ assists per game, but he wasn't really a "passer", he just took on the offense a lot by himself, closed the defense on himself, and passed out, but the basketball IQ that is required to be a playmaker, someone like Lebron or Stockton, wasn't there.

Westbrook is a physical beast, and you use him as such, with Murray being younger, Nuggets never needed anyone else, but right now they are dealing with Westbrook from the bench and that means they are doing great help and could be very happy with the result.

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I was thinking that the Warriors with Steph Curry probably always win, but it is not the case. It's crazy how he landed the 3 pointers nonstop. There are so crazy videos about it, how is this even possible. But yesyou've got the talent or you don't. He has it.

It's like saying that teams with Jordan, Kobe and Lebron could always win but it's not. With the debates of which era is better.

I'm not into any of these eras saying that this one is better because both of them have their own best moments.

But you have probably quoted the wrong quote and not mine. Tongue

Oh I noticed this just now, but anyway. In regards to 3 pointers I think there has never been a player of that same level. That's like playing on the play station. The guy has scored from the middle of the court not only once, but several times in his career and he never have to have his feet close to the 3 pointer line, he just took the shot from anywhere. There so many points where it felt like a bug when he made them. Cheesy

What can you even do as an opponent when there is a guy running around who scores with a higher precision than anyone else...

I wouldn't argue about Steph because he surely indeed the goat in terms of having those 3s. When the time of Ray Allen, I really like him and he's very dependable and so as Steph.

There are other good 3 point shooters there but that's only one from the many of them.

I think there are some very basic abilities in any sport that allow you to compare across eras. Everyone saying something different is lying. As far as I can remember and have watched some highlights on Youtube, I have never seen a 3 shooter like that.

With some research you could clearly find the best free kick shooter in football. There are some objective measures where someone can stand out from all others. It doesn't apply to everything in every sport, but a few objective measures are there that are independent from the rules and technologies used.

In the case of Steph I think he has created miracle shots in a frequency that at some point I started not being surprised and this is when you know that someone is about stand out. Could other players do some shots like Steph? Yes they can, but can they do it so continuously that it doesn't impress you anymore? I think there has never been someone who scored 3 pointers like Steph did in terms of frequency. That is what sets him apart. What we would call a lucky shot for someone else, for him it is standard. That's what makes a GOAT with respect to a certain skill.

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Nice to see Westbrook have himself a hell of a game. Complete with some great highlights too. Same with Jokic, who nearly made a full court shot by slapping the ball off an inbounds play. I can’t even imagine the strength it must take to be able to do something like that. The guy is on another level.

Westbrook had been a great help for Jokic in these past few games. Rebounding, defense, although his offense is on and off. But, you could always see his energy and aggressiveness, his will to win has never faded away, it's still there and I bet he now thinks he might get a ring in this team. Finally, if ever.

They say that the Nuggets were able to crack on what to do with Westbrook and so far he was thriving in team. And also I think we discussed that he will have games wherein we might see a prime Westbrook and that's what we are seeing right now.

They will be facing Knicks are their homecourt, and there are reports that Towns is injured, lots of great games tonight actually,

Going to be very hard again to bet or even put like a 2-3 game parlay.

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Quote from: OgNasty on November 24, 2024, 03:36:46 PM

Nice to see Westbrook have himself a hell of a game. Complete with some great highlights too. Same with Jokic, who nearly made a full court shot by slapping the ball off an inbounds play. I can’t even imagine the strength it must take to be able to do something like that. The guy is on another level.

Westbrook had been a great help for Jokic in these past few games. Rebounding, defense, although his offense is on and off. But, you could always see his energy and aggressiveness, his will to win has never faded away, it's still there and I bet he now thinks he might get a ring in this team. Finally, if ever.

About that slap shot by Jokic, that could've been amazing if he made that. Here in our country who plays street basketball, we call that "pulso" although the English term for it is pulse, the real definition for us (street basketball) is wrist strength. The same with those who play badminton and who can always spike the shuttlecock like it's a speeding bullet. I think Jokic has a soft hand but a strong wrist and I don't think that can be taught, it's natural.

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They probably get the correct personnel again, like in their last championship year, everyone is contributing from the bench, regardless if it is defense or offense. I don't like to say this, but probably Thompson leaving them is the best thing that happened to them this season.

Now, they move differently, Draymond Green is still anchoring their defense, and then Wiggins is coming back like a true GSW in 2022 and so is Kuminga. Looney although lost his position as starting center, it still very dominant inside and can give you double digits in a given good night. And definitely, Buddy Hield and Slow Mo and Melton (although he is injured again right?), is a perfect fit for the Warriors kind of play.

I hate to agree, but yeah it looks like Thompson leaving was something that benefited them a lot, not that it's bad for Thompson neither, Dallas is 9th right now but looking better everyday, they are adjusting to new team structure and getting used to each other, they will get better with time, and 9th isn't bad in this day and age, they could be in play-in, and I believe we are going to see them in like 5th or so seed as well if they get a bit better.

Klay has been scoring the least amount of points per game in his career since his rookie year, so we are seeing him not shooting like he used to so far, but I bet that when he gets used to it, he will score a lot more, which will bring in success. Golden State meanwhile is literally leading the west at the moment, looking amazing and I believe we are going to see them do much better with time as well, they have that championship calibre team all over and that should be something very exciting for them.

Yes, probably they needed that breathe of fresh air and we have seen teams in the part as well, so that's what really happen to Golden State Warriors. And again, during their last game, you can see Curry still pump up with Klay leaving them, but that's the way it is.

Dallas is struggling this season, same with the Nuggets although Denver seems to be slowly back in the game, while Dallas is very inconsistent and winning games that they should be winning by double digits but it's not.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 23, 2024, 05:08:34 PM

They probably get the correct personnel again, like in their last championship year, everyone is contributing from the bench, regardless if it is defense or offense. I don't like to say this, but probably Thompson leaving them is the best thing that happened to them this season.

Now, they move differently, Draymond Green is still anchoring their defense, and then Wiggins is coming back like a true GSW in 2022 and so is Kuminga. Looney although lost his position as starting center, it still very dominant inside and can give you double digits in a given good night. And definitely, Buddy Hield and Slow Mo and Melton (although he is injured again right?), is a perfect fit for the Warriors kind of play.

I hate to agree, but yeah it looks like Thompson leaving was something that benefited them a lot, not that it's bad for Thompson neither, Dallas is 9th right now but looking better everyday, they are adjusting to new team structure and getting used to each other, they will get better with time, and 9th isn't bad in this day and age, they could be in play-in, and I believe we are going to see them in like 5th or so seed as well if they get a bit better.

Klay has been scoring the least amount of points per game in his career since his rookie year, so we are seeing him not shooting like he used to so far, but I bet that when he gets used to it, he will score a lot more, which will bring in success. Golden State meanwhile is literally leading the west at the moment, looking amazing and I believe we are going to see them do much better with time as well, they have that championship calibre team all over and that should be something very exciting for them.

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Quote from: ultrloa on November 24, 2024, 05:30:36 PM

Only crazy fans comparing which of them have better era since basketball evolve and also the competition of the game in their times. But what made by these 3 great basketball players is something that cannot erase to the mind of people as this great players would always be in the discussion if basketball is involve on topics.

I don't care about who is the GOAT among 3 of them, since what I only pay attention much is how I enjoy watching them playing in the court. They give extreme impact for their teams that's why they became a great legends who played basketball and lucky for us basketball fans to witness that.

Can't compare eras but it would sure be nice to combine them. Taking the best of each one like the intensity of the 80s/90s, the trash talking and street style from the 20s and the high flying dunks and deep 3s from the current era, this would be great.
I don't like how soft the NBA has become these days, guess nobody does. All the whining, complaining, flopping, bad calls, useless technical fouls by insulted refs and all that shxt. That's why the NBA is losing viewers, people are fed up with this nonsense. It's more fun to watch NCAA than NBA even. These kids are still fighting for something but in the NBA they are just too rich, have too much influence and they don't seem hungry mostly. Sad times.

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I was thinking that the Warriors with Steph Curry probably always win, but it is not the case. It's crazy how he landed the 3 pointers nonstop. There are so crazy videos about it, how is this even possible. But yesyou've got the talent or you don't. He has it.

It's like saying that teams with Jordan, Kobe and Lebron could always win but it's not. With the debates of which era is better.

I'm not into any of these eras saying that this one is better because both of them have their own best moments.

Only crazy fans comparing which of them have better era since basketball evolve and also the competition of the game in their times. But what made by these 3 great basketball players is something that cannot erase to the mind of people as this great players would always be in the discussion if basketball is involve on topics.

I don't care about who is the GOAT among 3 of them, since what I only pay attention much is how I enjoy watching them playing in the court. They give extreme impact for their teams that's why they became a great legends who played basketball and lucky for us basketball fans to witness that.

Exactly, we can't compared eras as they have their own ways of how the game was been played, we should always appreciate what the impacts those stars brought to us as a fan, like what you mentioned it's always the way they bring that entertainment that matters, we can't really force someone to believe who's the goat for him, it's his opinion and his own definition on how he select his greatest player of all time, and in terms of team who can dominate, same deal with that sentiments,

different eras different competitions and we should also consider the fact that NBA is a business so from time to time teams will evolve and will try to make it more competitive to bring in the fans and gain more supports.

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I was thinking that the Warriors with Steph Curry probably always win, but it is not the case. It's crazy how he landed the 3 pointers nonstop. There are so crazy videos about it, how is this even possible. But yesyou've got the talent or you don't. He has it.

It's like saying that teams with Jordan, Kobe and Lebron could always win but it's not. With the debates of which era is better.

I'm not into any of these eras saying that this one is better because both of them have their own best moments.

But you have probably quoted the wrong quote and not mine. Tongue

Oh I noticed this just now, but anyway. In regards to 3 pointers I think there has never been a player of that same level. That's like playing on the play station. The guy has scored from the middle of the court not only once, but several times in his career and he never have to have his feet close to the 3 pointer line, he just took the shot from anywhere. There so many points where it felt like a bug when he made them. Cheesy

What can you even do as an opponent when there is a guy running around who scores with a higher precision than anyone else...

I wouldn't argue about Steph because he surely indeed the goat in terms of having those 3s. When the time of Ray Allen, I really like him and he's very dependable and so as Steph.

There are other good 3 point shooters there but that's only one from the many of them.

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I was thinking that the Warriors with Steph Curry probably always win, but it is not the case. It's crazy how he landed the 3 pointers nonstop. There are so crazy videos about it, how is this even possible. But yesyou've got the talent or you don't. He has it.

It's like saying that teams with Jordan, Kobe and Lebron could always win but it's not. With the debates of which era is better.

I'm not into any of these eras saying that this one is better because both of them have their own best moments.

Only crazy fans comparing which of them have better era since basketball evolve and also the competition of the game in their times. But what made by these 3 great basketball players is something that cannot erase to the mind of people as this great players would always be in the discussion if basketball is involve on topics.

I don't care about who is the GOAT among 3 of them, since what I only pay attention much is how I enjoy watching them playing in the court. They give extreme impact for their teams that's why they became a great legends who played basketball and lucky for us basketball fans to witness that.

Yeah, the past is the past and there were no doubt a lot of great things there that are still appreciated now but let's also appreciate the current setting and the ball game has been upgrading since then, most of offense games we are getting now.

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I was thinking that the Warriors with Steph Curry probably always win, but it is not the case. It's crazy how he landed the 3 pointers nonstop. There are so crazy videos about it, how is this even possible. But yesyou've got the talent or you don't. He has it.

It's like saying that teams with Jordan, Kobe and Lebron could always win but it's not. With the debates of which era is better.

I'm not into any of these eras saying that this one is better because both of them have their own best moments.

Only crazy fans comparing which of them have better era since basketball evolve and also the competition of the game in their times. But what made by these 3 great basketball players is something that cannot erase to the mind of people as this great players would always be in the discussion if basketball is involve on topics.

I don't care about who is the GOAT among 3 of them, since what I only pay attention much is how I enjoy watching them playing in the court. They give extreme impact for their teams that's why they became a great legends who played basketball and lucky for us basketball fans to witness that.

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Quote from: jossiel on November 24, 2024, 05:20:44 PM

Quote from: tiCeR on November 23, 2024, 06:41:59 PM

I was thinking that the Warriors with Steph Curry probably always win, but it is not the case. It's crazy how he landed the 3 pointers nonstop. There are so crazy videos about it, how is this even possible. But yesyou've got the talent or you don't. He has it.

It's like saying that teams with Jordan, Kobe and Lebron could always win but it's not. With the debates of which era is better.

I'm not into any of these eras saying that this one is better because both of them have their own best moments.

But you have probably quoted the wrong quote and not mine. Tongue

Oh I noticed this just now, but anyway. In regards to 3 pointers I think there has never been a player of that same level. That's like playing on the play station. The guy has scored from the middle of the court not only once, but several times in his career and he never have to have his feet close to the 3 pointer line, he just took the shot from anywhere. There so many points where it felt like a bug when he made them. Cheesy

What can you even do as an opponent when there is a guy running around who scores with a higher precision than anyone else...

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Quote from: tiCeR on November 23, 2024, 06:41:59 PM

I was thinking that the Warriors with Steph Curry probably always win, but it is not the case. It's crazy how he landed the 3 pointers nonstop. There are so crazy videos about it, how is this even possible. But yesyou've got the talent or you don't. He has it.

It's like saying that teams with Jordan, Kobe and Lebron could always win but it's not. With the debates of which era is better.

I'm not into any of these eras saying that this one is better because both of them have their own best moments.

But you have probably quoted the wrong quote and not mine. Tongue

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Warriors escape with another victory against the NOP.

The Pels has the chance to win the game, but Murphy III missed that 3 points with 2.9 seconds to go and then they fouled Draymond. Yeah, the Warriors won but I will say that they got lucky again. They didn't had that big lead going into the 4th, but it's the same, they made the team makes a huge comeback in the last 4 minutes as they relaxed somewhat. If Murphy hits that 3, then it will be a very different outcome and they could spoil Wiggins great game with 30 big points.

Good for the Warriors but I really thought it will be a double digits win, especially with how much the Pelicans have been struggling this season, but unfortunately, I lost my bet on that game. But I’m okay with it because Andrew Wiggins really stepped up, scoring 30 points on an impressive 9-14 shooting.

It’s clear he’s much more focused this season compared to the last. If he keeps playing like this, the Warriors can definitely go far this season. Wiggins’ form now is a big boost for the team.

Seems that he's really back on shape, I still remember their last title he and Poole really helps the Warriors winning that last ring, and like what you said if he continue to play like this, the chance is good for the Warriors to reach the finals, what we see from them now is how the system was design, they are great in executing the play and with the selections they've got, they are competitive in the real sense, and a good candidate for the title.

They probably get the correct personnel again, like in their last championship year, everyone is contributing from the bench, regardless if it is defense or offense. I don't like to say this, but probably Thompson leaving them is the best thing that happened to them this season.

Now, they move differently, Draymond Green is still anchoring their defense, and then Wiggins is coming back like a true GSW in 2022 and so is Kuminga. Looney although lost his position as starting center, it still very dominant inside and can give you double digits in a given good night. And definitely, Buddy Hield and Slow Mo and Melton (although he is injured again right?), is a perfect fit for the Warriors kind of play.

Yup, with the same system they relly playing well, it's a good thing with the Warriros as they executing the plays with each players inside the court whoever coach Kerr chooses to play, I like them as they know they role and they are playing as a team they know what functions they need to serve and they are reallydoing it for the benefits of the team.

The thing with Klay leaving them, I guess we are witnessing what's the benefits and how the rotations still the same with that same system that they are using.

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Nice to see Westbrook have himself a hell of a game. Complete with some great highlights too. Same with Jokic, who nearly made a full court shot by slapping the ball off an inbounds play. I can’t even imagine the strength it must take to be able to do something like that. The guy is on another level.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on November 23, 2024, 11:27:24 PM

As for the Mavericks, they're still strong because they have Irving still, and they also have good role players that can help them in offense like Marshall, Washington, Lively, Gafford and others.

Boston Celtics versus Minnesota Timberwolves later. A must-watch for me as these two teams might be the ones who will play for the Finals of this year a nd I bet it will also be one entertaining match up to watch.

I'm not counting out Cleveland just yet. 16-1 is a really hot start to the year and the team is loaded with talent. Imagine how exciting the ECF will be if these 2 teams meet. 7 games of high scoring excitement as I don't see either team blowing out the other, least not at this point.

Also not 100% on Minnesota as I think OKC has a really good chance to be right there as well. It's still a long way off, but Minnesota is going to have to be a lot better than their 50% start shows.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on November 23, 2024, 11:27:24 PM

As for the Mavericks, they're still strong because they have Irving still, and they also have good role players that can help them in offense like Marshall, Washington, Lively, Gafford and others.

I agree. The depth of the Mavericks is just extraordinary and all players are getting better each game. Lively was fun to watch as always just like their battle in the WCF and the Finals. PJ Washington always stepping up his game whenever they need him to especially that time without Luka and Klay not scoring. Irving was the key to that win, he showed greatness and all the team had to do was follow him. It's a very enjoyable game to watch.

Boston Celtics versus Minnesota Timberwolves later. A must-watch for me as these two teams might be the ones who will play for the Finals of this year a nd I bet it will also be one entertaining match up to watch.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 24, 2024, 04:13:03 AM

I will agree with your observation that they are not going to make the playoff easy just like what they did last year. I don't know, but it's a totally different mentality for the Nuggets and although the core is still there, it seems that there are issues that we are not aware or it could be after playing so many years and winning a NBA championship, there could be some mental fatigue between them.

Murray is very different, I mean he is healthy but inconsistent, unlike during their championship run. And he is supposedly the second option in this team, but this season, again, he is not doing that.

On the other hand, I never thought that the Warriors are going to lose against the Spurs in this game. I wasn't able to watch it though, but perhaps Warriors are tired because they are into back to back games.

To be fair, that is the trouble with any team that does well for a while, they do well because they do something new, like for example it was for a long time Cavs vs Warriors finals, and eventually everyone figured out what Warriors does, and after that Nuggets became the popular number one contender, so after a while teams didn't know what they should do against them at first but slowly figured them out.

So while Jokic is fine, it is not about just Jokic, if the defensive scheme is to let Jokic do whatever but stop others, and if that works, then that's what they will do. It is not always about stopping the star, sometimes the star is too much to handle and too good, so they just focus on everyone else and leave the star frustrated. That's what other teams are doing right now, they are letting Jokic do whatever he wants, because they know they can't realistically stop Jokic, so instead defensive scheme became defending everyone else much better, which apparently works.

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I'll stick to my prediction that the Nuggets will just be a play-in team this regular season, and will not be a title contender as well. Cheesy

Well, they're still in 5th spot in the Western Conference standings. Personally, I don't think the Nuggets' performance will get so bad throughout the regular season that they will only qualify for the play-in tournament.
However, anything can happen, and it's worth noting that there are some surprises in this regular season, as teams that previously were mediocre or underdogs are now suddenly performing well.

That's because young guns are developing their games and getting more confident over time.
Also, some team chemistry suddenly just gel together.
Anyway, I also don't think the Nuggets will get so bad this season. They may have a pretty bad start, but after a few games, they're back at their normal form. I mean we can't just ignore the fact that they are still a title contender team and still the Lakers' kryptonite.
I have a feeling that things will be a lot more different mid season for both conferences, as we starting to see who's gonna be the potential title contenders in 2025 playoffs.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on November 23, 2024, 11:27:24 PM

I'll stick to my prediction that the Nuggets will just be a play-in team this regular season, and will not be a title contender as well. Cheesy

Well, they're still in 5th spot in the Western Conference standings. Personally, I don't think the Nuggets' performance will get so bad throughout the regular season that they will only qualify for the play-in tournament.
However, anything can happen, and it's worth noting that there are some surprises in this regular season, as teams that previously were mediocre or underdogs are now suddenly performing well.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 24, 2024, 04:13:03 AM

On the other hand, I never thought that the Warriors are going to lose against the Spurs in this game. I wasn't able to watch it though, but perhaps Warriors are tired because they are into back to back games.

That’s definitely part of it, but the main reason is we underestimated the Spurs. We overlooked their strong home record, which was 7-3 before that game. With that win, they’re now on a 3-game win streak and playing like a competitive team that’s already above .500. We need to keep an eye on them moving forward.

Another thing that I noticed was they were just +3.5 against the top team in the West, and that kind of line screams "trap."
It’s like the oddsmakers knew something we didn’t. Sometimes those subtle hints in the odds can tell you more than stats alone.

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