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Quote from: ultrloa on December 19, 2024, 08:42:27 AM

There's no guarantee to get those things what you speculated since basketball still a team sport. Even if he is the great player in the league still he need those good role players and stars to win a championship.

Look what happen to his past teams he need to recruit a lot of star players before he get the championship that he wants. But Lebron is undeniably a true legend since despite of his age right now we can still see him carrying his team. Also by looking at his performance his still capable to play more games since its like we don't see a decline of performance from him. He keep becoming more consistent each year pass.

Yeah, plus if he joined Lakers earlier, like lets say right after Kobe retired, literally next season after that, he would have still had trouble. Because Warriors became a great team during that time, and went to finals basically all the way until Lebron joined Lakers.

Lebron had to face them at Cavs almost every year during that time, but at finals, if he was at Lakers, he would have to face them at conference finals or earlier, so it is not going to be easy to beat them there neither. Moreover, we had great Rockets team, great OKC as well until Durant left to join warriors, so Lebron would had even more teams to battle as well. I do not agree that Lebron would have done better at Lakers, I think he was great at Cavs.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on December 19, 2024, 09:33:13 PM

I agree that it's impossible to keep everyone happy.
I don't remember what the salary cap was that season. However, I think that even if the Lakers had wanted to keep the entire championship roster, they still wouldn't have had enough salary cap to do it. LeBron and AD take a huge chunk out of the salary cap, and as you said, other players wanted bigger contracts after winning the championship. It was predictable because every player wants to make more money. But not every team is willing to pay a luxury tax for exceeding the salary cap.

I think it’s fine to let go of some players, but it seems like they traded away all their role players. That Westbrook trade was a wrong move in my opinion, because they sacrificed a lot for him. Actually, KCP was a great defender and shooter, and I don’t understand why they gave him up.

But what’s done is done. The Lakers are now a mess if they’re aiming for another championship, so I’m not expecting them to win another title. However, making the playoffs still seems very possible.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on December 19, 2024, 12:41:41 PM

Well with some guys the Lakers had a reason to let them go but with others it was quite questionable. Caruso got a better offer from the Bulls (37mil for 4 years) while the Lakers offered him only 21 mil over 3 years, so it was a nobrainer for him to leave. Same with Rondo, got better offer somewhere else and left. I think Rondo was ok to let go but Caruso of course blossomed even more in Chicago.
Kuzma and KCP (and others) of course were traded for Westbrook, an experiment that kind of failed obviously. Tongue

While some of these names should have stayed on the roster I think letting go of others was an ok move. You can't make everybody happy.

I agree that it's impossible to keep everyone happy.
I don't remember what the salary cap was that season. However, I think that even if the Lakers had wanted to keep the entire championship roster, they still wouldn't have had enough salary cap to do it. LeBron and AD take a huge chunk out of the salary cap, and as you said, other players wanted bigger contracts after winning the championship. It was predictable because every player wants to make more money. But not every team is willing to pay a luxury tax for exceeding the salary cap.

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That is what I am saying.

The Pistons are doing great in terms of what they are right now compared to the other ones that did great last season.

So with that, I agree with you that they can be happy with where they are right now and have some celebration to it but this isn't just the peak that they can reach now.

I guess they are heading in the right direction, Cunningham is healthy and they have a better team as compare to last year. But there's a lot of things to be done and I do not think that this season, they will make the playoffs.

So yeah, maybe they are happy on where they are right now, but they know that there's nothing to celebrate as of it as they are plenty of room for improvement. Or at least get some star players to work with Cade. So it's up to the management to make the best of this team and be as competitive as other teams in the East.

Yes.

That's Cade for them and it's good that they're developing and sticking to him. They are currently 10th in the standings and below them are the Nets and the 76ers.

Today, they'll be up against the Utah Jazz and I think this is going to be for them.

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Quote from: freedomgo on December 19, 2024, 08:48:08 AM

What makes him extraordinary is that even at his current age, he’s still putting up numbers comparable to players in their prime. However, his impact isn’t the same as before as the hunger to win another championship just isn’t there anymore. It’s understandable since he has already won multiple titles with three different teams, which alone shows that he’s a great basketball player.

But every era has its own impact. In fact, there isn’t even a serious debate about LeBron being the GOAT of basketball, despite his records, because he isn’t considered as clutch as MJ, whom everyone regards as the true GOAT of the sport.

I mean why would it be, he knows that this team, the squad itself, isn't good enough to win the title, there is no way he could play better and force himself to get the title, wouldn't be possible. So what he would do, is just put himself into misery of a whole season and playoffs, for nothing, because people around him isn't enough to win the title so his 100% effort is not needed, the result would be same.

So he is putting up numbers to keep his stats up and all, but he is not really caring, that's why we keep seeing him shooting silly threes sometimes, because he doesn't really play defense anymore, and he doesn't really care about offense at times, just shoot threes at silly places, and if it goes in then that's great, if it doesn't then it's time for him to breath a bit more while going back and that's the most important part, not really tire himself out. If he keeps this up, he could play without injury and that's the most important part for them.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 18, 2024, 05:21:17 PM

Yeah, still a good record to see in this players resume to have won a NBA cup. So now the Bucks is back, hopefully though winning this cup is not like a jinx to them as we have seen the Lakers last year, after they won, they struggled,

Giannis though really work very hard in this game, and they have the height advantage and so he posted and uses his body. I like how he is very much aggressive in the first quarter and then Dame just click in their outside shooting. And it's hard to win against a team that shoots more than more than 40% in the 3 point area.

Let's see. But according to the standings, the Bucks need to work even harder to get to the top again. After all, teams such as the Cavs and Celtics have gotten far away from other teams in terms of win rate.
However, the Bucks deserve praise anyway because they did really well in that game, and Giannis got another trophy in his collection.

But they are in the right direction already, 8-2 in the last 10 and winning the Cup and in the 5th already. So they already made a lot of headway from their poor start. I think they can go as high as 3rd place in the next couple of games.

The Magic is going to struggle without their two best player who will be out for the season. So it's hard to see them maintaining the 4th position. And maybe after that, they can chase the Knicks as well for the 3rd spot. So there's a lot of positive things for the Bucks and it looks like they have the momentum.

It amazing to see how the Bucks have completely turned their season just in the twinkle of an eye, there still much left to be done and they can't afford to get complacent now, I'd agree but from where they were about a month and half ago, one would say this is a turnaround and a mini success that deserves all the celebration the management decides to have, they started their season was it 2-8, to I don't think even the Celtics and Cavaliers have a better record than the Bucks since then, so this definitely isn't just a walk but a leap in the right direction for the team generally.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on December 19, 2024, 12:41:41 PM

Quote from: stadus on December 19, 2024, 09:31:55 AM

The Warriors’ situation was different because there was an internal problem within the team. They had to unload JP since they couldn’t let go of Draymond.

IIRC, with the Lakers, these were the players they gave up after winning the championship.

Caldwell-Pope, Kentavious
Caruso, Alex
Green, Danny
Howard, Dwight
Kuzma, Kyle
McGee, JaVale
Rondo, Rajon

I'm just shaking my head remembering these names the Lakers unable to retain after the win.

Well with some guys the Lakers had a reason to let them go but with others it was quite questionable. Caruso got a better offer from the Bulls (37mil for 4 years) while the Lakers offered him only 21 mil over 3 years, so it was a nobrainer for him to leave. Same with Rondo, got better offer somewhere else and left. I think Rondo was ok to let go but Caruso of course blossomed even more in Chicago.
Kuzma and KCP (and others) of course were traded for Westbrook, an experiment that kind of failed obviously. Tongue

While some of these names should have stayed on the roster I think letting go of others was an ok move. You can't make everybody happy.

I'll never understand why they decided to shake up the team after winning a championship. That doesn't usually happen. I think had they just resigned Dwight Howard and JaVale McGee they would have won another chip. They had such depth and athleticism at the center position, they were a matchup nightmare. Alex Caruso and LeBron also had something special on the floor together. Letting those three guys go after getting a ring was a historically dumb decision.

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Quote from: stadus on December 19, 2024, 09:31:55 AM

The Warriors’ situation was different because there was an internal problem within the team. They had to unload JP since they couldn’t let go of Draymond.

IIRC, with the Lakers, these were the players they gave up after winning the championship.

Caldwell-Pope, Kentavious
Caruso, Alex
Green, Danny
Howard, Dwight
Kuzma, Kyle
McGee, JaVale
Rondo, Rajon

I'm just shaking my head remembering these names the Lakers unable to retain after the win.

Well with some guys the Lakers had a reason to let them go but with others it was quite questionable. Caruso got a better offer from the Bulls (37mil for 4 years) while the Lakers offered him only 21 mil over 3 years, so it was a nobrainer for him to leave. Same with Rondo, got better offer somewhere else and left. I think Rondo was ok to let go but Caruso of course blossomed even more in Chicago.
Kuzma and KCP (and others) of course were traded for Westbrook, an experiment that kind of failed obviously. Tongue

While some of these names should have stayed on the roster I think letting go of others was an ok move. You can't make everybody happy.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on December 19, 2024, 09:13:28 AM

Yep, this is always what I hate about teams like GSW and Lakers that keeps throwing away players especially key player bench player after winning a championship. They become overconfident and want to reduce expenses since they think their core players is enough to win another title which is not.

The Warriors’ situation was different because there was an internal problem within the team. They had to unload JP since they couldn’t let go of Draymond.

IIRC, with the Lakers, these were the players they gave up after winning the championship.

Caldwell-Pope, Kentavious
Caruso, Alex
Green, Danny
Howard, Dwight
Kuzma, Kyle
McGee, JaVale
Rondo, Rajon

I'm just shaking my head remembering these names the Lakers unable to retain after the win.

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Quote from: Japinat on December 19, 2024, 08:34:10 AM

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Lakers is still a sports business that wants to please the fans. I’m not expecting to see another championship with their current roster especially now that Lebron is already aging same with AD that has lot of injuries.

If LeBron had joined the Lakers when he was younger, maybe they’d have more championships. But he already has one, and I think that’s enough to solidify his legacy.

Considering Lakers is so good to acquire potential players that will pair Lebron then I totally agree since it’s proven on his Miami Heat career.

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The problem started after they won the championship, they traded away some of their key role players. That can’t be undone now, and it’s a shame because they wasted a strong lineup that could have given them a back-to-back title. Just look at the Howard and AD tandem in the paint - that was huge, and they could’ve dominated inside for another season.

Yep, this is always what I hate about teams like GSW and Lakers that keeps throwing away players especially key player bench player after winning a championship. They become overconfident and want to reduce expenses since they think their core players is enough to win another title which is not.

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Quote from: ultrloa on December 19, 2024, 08:42:27 AM

Look what happen to his past teams he need to recruit a lot of star players before he get the championship that he wants. But Lebron is undeniably a true legend since despite of his age right now we can still see him carrying his team. Also by looking at his performance his still capable to play more games since its like we don't see a decline of performance from him. He keep becoming more consistent each year pass.

What makes him extraordinary is that even at his current age, he’s still putting up numbers comparable to players in their prime. However, his impact isn’t the same as before as the hunger to win another championship just isn’t there anymore. It’s understandable since he has already won multiple titles with three different teams, which alone shows that he’s a great basketball player.

But every era has its own impact. In fact, there isn’t even a serious debate about LeBron being the GOAT of basketball, despite his records, because he isn’t considered as clutch as MJ, whom everyone regards as the true GOAT of the sport.

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Quote from: Japinat on December 19, 2024, 08:34:10 AM

Quote from: Coin_trader on December 19, 2024, 07:23:07 AM

Lakers is still a sports business that wants to please the fans. I’m not expecting to see another championship with their current roster especially now that Lebron is already aging same with AD that has lot of injuries.

If LeBron had joined the Lakers when he was younger, maybe they’d have more championships. But he already has one, and I think that’s enough to solidify his legacy.

The problem started after they won the championship, they traded away some of their key role players. That can’t be undone now, and it’s a shame because they wasted a strong lineup that could have given them a back-to-back title. Just look at the Howard and AD tandem in the paint - that was huge, and they could’ve dominated inside for another season.

There's no guarantee to get those things what you speculated since basketball still a team sport. Even if he is the great player in the league still he need those good role players and stars to win a championship.

Look what happen to his past teams he need to recruit a lot of star players before he get the championship that he wants. But Lebron is undeniably a true legend since despite of his age right now we can still see him carrying his team. Also by looking at his performance his still capable to play more games since its like we don't see a decline of performance from him. He keep becoming more consistent each year pass.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on December 19, 2024, 07:23:07 AM

Lakers is still a sports business that wants to please the fans. I’m not expecting to see another championship with their current roster especially now that Lebron is already aging same with AD that has lot of injuries.

If LeBron had joined the Lakers when he was younger, maybe they’d have more championships. But he already has one, and I think that’s enough to solidify his legacy.

The problem started after they won the championship, they traded away some of their key role players. That can’t be undone now, and it’s a shame because they wasted a strong lineup that could have given them a back-to-back title. Just look at the Howard and AD tandem in the paint - that was huge, and they could’ve dominated inside for another season.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on December 19, 2024, 06:38:29 AM

Darvin Ham talked.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/darvin-ham-says-it-was-crazy-the-lakers-fired-him-anywhere-else-im-probably-looking-at-an-extension/

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In an interview with Andscape's Marc Spears, he said it was "crazy" that he didn't get more time to grow into the role.

"To do as well as I did, I swear to God, anywhere else I'm probably looking at an extension with what I did," Ham said. "I'm not talking about feelings. I'm talking actual facts. They go from not making it to the playoffs to the final four in the NBA, the conference finals. And then you win the in-season tournament, navigate through all the injuries and win both of your play-in games to get to the playoffs.

"People always talk about us losing to Denver, but they never talk about how we got to Denver. We beat a kick-ass young squad in Memphis and we beat Golden State."

Burn Lakers management! Cheesy

It's true. He started with a roster that was experimented with by the management and nobody is expecting the Lakers to even win the In-Season tournament because their roster is messed up. But somehow, Ham made it happen and he gave Lebron another title.
The cruel part is like what he said, he was not given time to grow and I know the reason behind it is to pin all the blame on him, that he is a bad coach, he didn't do good, he's lazy. Something like that.
If the Bucks win this championship after winning the NBA Cup, it will be a big punch to their face.

Probably, the pressure from the fans that keeps blaming the coach on a lose game during playoffs is what fuels the management decision to kick Ham. Lakers roster has high expectations on it that’s why it’s easier to blame the coach instead of the roster due to the fanbase.

Lakers is still a sports business that wants to please the fans. I’m not expecting to see another championship with their current roster especially now that Lebron is already aging same with AD that has lot of injuries.

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Darvin Ham talked.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/darvin-ham-says-it-was-crazy-the-lakers-fired-him-anywhere-else-im-probably-looking-at-an-extension/

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In an interview with Andscape's Marc Spears, he said it was "crazy" that he didn't get more time to grow into the role.

"To do as well as I did, I swear to God, anywhere else I'm probably looking at an extension with what I did," Ham said. "I'm not talking about feelings. I'm talking actual facts. They go from not making it to the playoffs to the final four in the NBA, the conference finals. And then you win the in-season tournament, navigate through all the injuries and win both of your play-in games to get to the playoffs.

"People always talk about us losing to Denver, but they never talk about how we got to Denver. We beat a kick-ass young squad in Memphis and we beat Golden State."

Burn Lakers management! Cheesy

It's true. He started with a roster that was experimented with by the management and nobody is expecting the Lakers to even win the In-Season tournament because their roster is messed up. But somehow, Ham made it happen and he gave Lebron another title.
The cruel part is like what he said, he was not given time to grow and I know the reason behind it is to pin all the blame on him, that he is a bad coach, he didn't do good, he's lazy. Something like that.
If the Bucks win this championship after winning the NBA Cup, it will be a big punch to their face.

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Quote from: Dave1 on December 19, 2024, 05:03:32 AM

Quote from: jossiel on December 18, 2024, 06:47:57 PM

That is what I am saying.

The Pistons are doing great in terms of what they are right now compared to the other ones that did great last season.

So with that, I agree with you that they can be happy with where they are right now and have some celebration to it but this isn't just the peak that they can reach now.

I guess they are heading in the right direction, Cunningham is healthy and they have a better team as compare to last year. But there's a lot of things to be done and I do not think that this season, they will make the playoffs.

So yeah, maybe they are happy on where they are right now, but they know that there's nothing to celebrate as of it as they are plenty of room for improvement. Or at least get some star players to work with Cade. So it's up to the management to make the best of this team and be as competitive as other teams in the East.

At least they made a good adjustment on their roster this season and guess they are doing great. Its early to say about other possibilities but still they have a good chance to go in playoffs now despite of some things lacking on their team since somehow this team is motivate to have good comeback especially that they have a bad season last year.

So lets see on where they are heading and its good to see that their main star is healthy since if he make his self available on more games and they can execute good plays together with their new added players then provably that they can win more games.

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Quote from: jossiel on December 18, 2024, 06:47:57 PM

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Much better than last year.

So, that's still a progress and we have to see how far they'd go this season. As long as there's a progress, I think that it's a compliment to their team then.

We see, good teams in the past season starts to be dry this playing season. While the bad ones started to have some good progress that we recognize.

I think this regular season can already be called a success for the Pistons, even if they finish in the same spot in the standings as they are now. In other words, if they make the play-in tournament at the end of the season, it will be a very good result for them.
Actually, the Rockets are also surprising this season, although they have been underdogs for the last few seasons.

That is what I am saying.

The Pistons are doing great in terms of what they are right now compared to the other ones that did great last season.

So with that, I agree with you that they can be happy with where they are right now and have some celebration to it but this isn't just the peak that they can reach now.

I guess they are heading in the right direction, Cunningham is healthy and they have a better team as compare to last year. But there's a lot of things to be done and I do not think that this season, they will make the playoffs.

So yeah, maybe they are happy on where they are right now, but they know that there's nothing to celebrate as of it as they are plenty of room for improvement. Or at least get some star players to work with Cade. So it's up to the management to make the best of this team and be as competitive as other teams in the East.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 18, 2024, 05:21:17 PM

Yeah, still a good record to see in this players resume to have won a NBA cup. So now the Bucks is back, hopefully though winning this cup is not like a jinx to them as we have seen the Lakers last year, after they won, they struggled,

Giannis though really work very hard in this game, and they have the height advantage and so he posted and uses his body. I like how he is very much aggressive in the first quarter and then Dame just click in their outside shooting. And it's hard to win against a team that shoots more than more than 40% in the 3 point area.

Let's see. But according to the standings, the Bucks need to work even harder to get to the top again. After all, teams such as the Cavs and Celtics have gotten far away from other teams in terms of win rate.
However, the Bucks deserve praise anyway because they did really well in that game, and Giannis got another trophy in his collection.

But they are in the right direction already, 8-2 in the last 10 and winning the Cup and in the 5th already. So they already made a lot of headway from their poor start. I think they can go as high as 3rd place in the next couple of games.

The Magic is going to struggle without their two best player who will be out for the season. So it's hard to see them maintaining the 4th position. And maybe after that, they can chase the Knicks as well for the 3rd spot. So there's a lot of positive things for the Bucks and it looks like they have the momentum.

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Quote from: Dave1 on December 18, 2024, 12:05:01 AM

And Lillard turn into a prime Dame Time and hitting those outside shots. And then it trickle to his team as almost all those who played, hit a good percentage on the outside. Just so sad to see OKC falling again with a great chance to win the NBA cup.

Darvin Ham is still perfect in the NBA Cup.. it’s confirmed now; he’s the lucky charm for the Bucks.
The big difference here is that the Bucks dominated in most the key areas. Just look at the stats.

https://www.espn.ph/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401734908

team 3p% rebounds
Bucks 42.5% 52
OKC 15.6% 43

He's the lucky charm of the Bucks that's for sure because ever since the NBA Cup started last season, he's still undefeated. Cheesy

Probably they can do it again next year if he will stay as the assistant coach.

I looked at the best three-point shooting teams currently, and the Thunder is at the bottom 15. They're at 17th apparently and that just shows that they aren't a threat when it comes to three-point shooting. Despite a bad night in three-point, they continued to shoot and ended in 5/32 which is awful. Probably the fact that they have Giannis and Brook on the paint is one reason why they are opting to shoot from three instead of going inside. Nevertheless, the Bucks players are now happy as they all earned at around $500,000 each.

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Let's see. But according to the standings, the Bucks need to work even harder to get to the top again. After all, teams such as the Cavs and Celtics have gotten far away from other teams in terms of win rate.
However, the Bucks deserve praise anyway because they did really well in that game, and Giannis got another trophy in his collection.

I guess let's give some praise for them this time since they won the title. As for other teams, the Bucks are nowhere near to both the Cavs and Celtics currently. Both of them are just dominating the East right now, and it's good to see another team that can be considered as equal as the Celtics right now because last season, it has been dominated by the Celtics. All of the other teams are nowhere near compared to these 2 teams.

Bucks need to carry this momentum all throughout the season if they want to be a title contender.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 18, 2024, 05:21:17 PM

Yeah, still a good record to see in this players resume to have won a NBA cup. So now the Bucks is back, hopefully though winning this cup is not like a jinx to them as we have seen the Lakers last year, after they won, they struggled,

Giannis though really work very hard in this game, and they have the height advantage and so he posted and uses his body. I like how he is very much aggressive in the first quarter and then Dame just click in their outside shooting. And it's hard to win against a team that shoots more than more than 40% in the 3 point area.

Let's see. But according to the standings, the Bucks need to work even harder to get to the top again. After all, teams such as the Cavs and Celtics have gotten far away from other teams in terms of win rate.
However, the Bucks deserve praise anyway because they did really well in that game, and Giannis got another trophy in his collection.

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