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Quote from: Distinctin on October 06, 2023, 11:37:43 PM

@Baofeng, I didn't know that. I thought Embiid was all-American.

I did some quick research, and it seems like he has a few nationalities to choose from:

-American
-French
-Cameroonian

Well, he's got the freedom to choose which country he wants to play for, but I get why some folks might be disappointed. I mean, the USA already has an abundance of talent, and Embiid could have been a real asset if he chose to play for France.

Yes, mate, he holds dual citizenship, one US and one French. And it was said that Joel was really fluent in French. But he mostly stayed in the States for the rest of his life and settled there and had a son who has US citizenship.

But just imagine though, I mean Joel + Wemby + Gobert, Lol, playing for the French national team in the Olympics. All of them are well over 7 feet tall.

https://twitter.com/JoelEmbiid/status/1710067831339884793

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Quote from: Distinctin on October 06, 2023, 11:37:43 PM

@Baofeng, I didn't know that. I thought Embiid was all-American.

I did some quick research, and it seems like he has a few nationalities to choose from:

-American
-French
-Cameroonian

Well, he's got the freedom to choose which country he wants to play for, but I get why some folks might be disappointed. I mean, the USA already has an abundance of talent, and Embiid could have been a real asset if he chose to play for France.

Yes, if I'm not mistaken, he hold dual citizenship as well. That's why there is a big noise of him wanting to play with US team since he had Cameroonian blood (both his parents are are from Cameroon and he was born there). Then moved to the US to pursue his basketball.

His reasoning though is very simple, his son is American that's why he wanted to play with the US team.

But it's up to US whether they will embrace Joel as a American or not, so we will have to wait and see. And I think there's nothing wrong with his request though.

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Quote from: dezoel on October 06, 2023, 04:04:10 PM

The rumors about Clippers and Harden is just rumors at this point. There isn't any official statement regarding the situation from anyone, so we can't really get any valid news, nothing we can provide proof for. So we need to wait until something concrete happens, either the trade may happen, or maybe it is all just a rumor and not real.

There's a reason why it became a rumor, because someone from the inside just tip the people from the media, thus it became a rumor. There is a possibility for it to happen since they are on the process of making the deal. There are no "official" about rumors, so I don't get what you mean here. We have the guys like Adrian Wojnarowski who can give us some reliable rumors surrounding the NBA.
As far as the trade rumors are concerned, as I've said, I believe the Sixers is in a lot of pressure right now trying dispose of Harden. The Clippers can easily decline what they demand. Most probably Harden is gonna play with the Sixers this season, but with a bad relationship with the management.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 07, 2023, 01:52:55 AM

Now, as for the betting odds, I'm also curious. I think they should be around 1.10 or even lower because this lineup seems unbeatable.

It's been out for a while now, and with this lineup, the USA is the clear favorite to win, like a heavy favorite. But it's not as low as 1.10; the projected odds are -250, which is equivalent to 1.4 in decimal odds. If you want to check out the odds for the other teams, you can go ahead and visit the link below.

https://www.covers.com/basketball/olympic-mens-basketball-odds

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Country   Odds
USA USA   -250
Serbia Serbia   +400
Canada Canada   +500
France France   +700
Germany Germany   +800
Australia Australia   +1,200
Spain Spain   +1,400
Slovenia Slovenia   +2,000

With that possible lineup, this odd might be a good catch for those early bettors, though we don't know if this will be finalized
or there are still negotiations and changes in terms of availability of those stars that mentioned.

Though for sure, there are already gamblers who took this one and already place their future bet for this possible Olympic gold medalist.

Let's wait and see if what will be the final lineup, if all those mentioned names will be available and if they will commit to play for team U.S

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Quote from: dezoel on October 06, 2023, 04:04:10 PM

The rumors about Clippers and Harden is just rumors at this point. There isn't any official statement regarding the situation from anyone, so we can't really get any valid news, nothing we can provide proof for. So we need to wait until something concrete happens, either the trade may happen, or maybe it is all just a rumor and not real.

I think it should be important to note that we are not going to end up with anything that would benefit anyone neither, I just think that Harden to Clippers would be hard and Clippers may want him for the time being but the longer it takes the more they may reconsider their options. They already have a decent team, and getting someone that constantly had issues so far doesn't feel all that well.

For Harden's trade to happen, a good offer must come from the Clippers. If the Clippers do not give the draft choices, this trade will not happen. While everyone knows the problems Philadelphia is having with Harden, it does not seem easy for this trade to happen.
We don't know how much the Clippers want Harden. It may not be a logical transfer for them

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 07, 2023, 01:52:55 AM

Now, as for the betting odds, I'm also curious. I think they should be around 1.10 or even lower because this lineup seems unbeatable.

It's been out for a while now, and with this lineup, the USA is the clear favorite to win, like a heavy favorite. But it's not as low as 1.10; the projected odds are -250, which is equivalent to 1.4 in decimal odds. If you want to check out the odds for the other teams, you can go ahead and visit the link below.

https://www.covers.com/basketball/olympic-mens-basketball-odds

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Country   Odds
USA USA   -250
Serbia Serbia   +400
Canada Canada   +500
France France   +700
Germany Germany   +800
Australia Australia   +1,200
Spain Spain   +1,400
Slovenia Slovenia   +2,000

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Quote from: danherbias07 on October 07, 2023, 01:46:58 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on October 06, 2023, 11:37:43 PM

@Baofeng, I didn't know that. I thought Embiid was all-American.

I did some quick research, and it seems like he has a few nationalities to choose from:

-American
-French
-Cameroonian

Well, he's got the freedom to choose which country he wants to play for, but I get why some folks might be disappointed. I mean, the USA already has an abundance of talent, and Embiid could have been a real asset if he chose to play for France.

I learned Embiid was from Cameroon when Paskal Siakam kicked him and I think that's one of the popular technical fouls that was called in the NBA. Embiid didn't even try to fight him and the commentator said they are both from Cameroon, that is why.
But this is the first time I discovered that he is also French.

Anyway, here is CBS projection of Team USA roster that will be going to Paris Olympics.
Stephen Curry
Kevin Durant
Devin Booker
Bradley Beal
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Kawhi Leonard
Paul George
Jayson Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Bam Adebayo
Draymond Green
and more...
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2024-paris-olympics-projecting-team-usas-12-man-roster-with-joel-embiid-joining-lebron-james-stephen-curry/
Those are the players who committed they will play if asked or it's open. This is going to be a superstar roster that will be difficult to defeat. I don't actually like it because I want the Olympics to be more of a competitive event but I think this will boost other countries will to defeat them. We'll see.

With this lineup, it feels like the gold is pretty much assured. They can't afford to make the same mistake of underestimating other countries, especially after not even qualifying for the gold medal round in the FIBA World Cup. No more excuses; they need to correct that mistake and win at the Olympics.

Now, as for the betting odds, I'm also curious. I think they should be around 1.10 or even lower because this lineup seems unbeatable.

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Quote from: Distinctin on October 06, 2023, 11:37:43 PM

@Baofeng, I didn't know that. I thought Embiid was all-American.

I did some quick research, and it seems like he has a few nationalities to choose from:

-American
-French
-Cameroonian

Well, he's got the freedom to choose which country he wants to play for, but I get why some folks might be disappointed. I mean, the USA already has an abundance of talent, and Embiid could have been a real asset if he chose to play for France.

I learned Embiid was from Cameroon when Paskal Siakam kicked him and I think that's one of the popular technical fouls that was called in the NBA. Embiid didn't even try to fight him and the commentator said they are both from Cameroon, that is why.
But this is the first time I discovered that he is also French.

Anyway, here is CBS projection of Team USA roster that will be going to Paris Olympics.
Stephen Curry
Kevin Durant
Devin Booker
Bradley Beal
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Kawhi Leonard
Paul George
Jayson Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Bam Adebayo
Draymond Green
and more...
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2024-paris-olympics-projecting-team-usas-12-man-roster-with-joel-embiid-joining-lebron-james-stephen-curry/
Those are the players who committed they will play if asked or it's open. This is going to be a superstar roster that will be difficult to defeat. I don't actually like it because I want the Olympics to be more of a competitive event but I think this will boost other countries will to defeat them. We'll see.

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@Baofeng, I didn't know that. I thought Embiid was all-American.

I did some quick research, and it seems like he has a few nationalities to choose from:

-American
-French
-Cameroonian

Well, he's got the freedom to choose which country he wants to play for, but I get why some folks might be disappointed. I mean, the USA already has an abundance of talent, and Embiid could have been a real asset if he chose to play for France.

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Regarding Joel intentions of joining the US team, here is what Rudy Gobert has to say,

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"I am happy for him. I guess we'll see him in Paris. I am happy for him, as long as he does what makes him happy and he follows his heart. That's what matters."

https://twitter.com/FadeawayWorld/status/1710037148408111522

And then the captain of the French Basketball team, Nic Batum,

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“I was more than happy to welcome him to the team, and he took the best decision for him,” Batum said. “I would have taken the same one.”

https://twitter.com/AndrewGreif/status/1710068649514369079

So I guess everyone in the French team is not affected by Joel joining the US instead of them. Nevertheless, for sure this is going to be a very competitive Olympics in Paris as far as for the US and the rest of the world.

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Quote from: dezoel on October 06, 2023, 04:04:10 PM

The rumors about Clippers and Harden is just rumors at this point. There isn't any official statement regarding the situation from anyone, so we can't really get any valid news, nothing we can provide proof for. So we need to wait until something concrete happens, either the trade may happen, or maybe it is all just a rumor and not real.

True, but if you are a fan of basketball then you have some speculations in your mind as to what might happen for James Harden in the future. He shows interest again with the 76ers at the start of the training camp, and so we can move forward from there. Whether he will stay with the 76ers for this season and forget what he has said and remain professional. Or continue to create drama for him and the 76ers which is again on the familiar territory just like what Ben Simmons case years ago.

Quote from: dezoel on October 06, 2023, 04:04:10 PM

I think it should be important to note that we are not going to end up with anything that would benefit anyone neither, I just think that Harden to Clippers would be hard and Clippers may want him for the time being but the longer it takes the more they may reconsider their options. They already have a decent team, and getting someone that constantly had issues so far doesn't feel all that well.

See, you have your own speculation already. Definitely it should be mutual though, Clippers getting Harden but they will have to exchange some of their young players and then added future picks to lure the 76ers to give a go signal for a trade. Or Clippers standing their ground, not going to give that much to 76ers so the 76ers will have to accept it or not.

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The rumors about Clippers and Harden is just rumors at this point. There isn't any official statement regarding the situation from anyone, so we can't really get any valid news, nothing we can provide proof for. So we need to wait until something concrete happens, either the trade may happen, or maybe it is all just a rumor and not real.

I think it should be important to note that we are not going to end up with anything that would benefit anyone neither, I just think that Harden to Clippers would be hard and Clippers may want him for the time being but the longer it takes the more they may reconsider their options. They already have a decent team, and getting someone that constantly had issues so far doesn't feel all that well.

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Quote from: Kasabus on October 05, 2023, 10:47:12 PM

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It looks like the Philadelphia 76ers have finally caved to Harden’s pressure and will be shipping him to the Clippers. The Clippers are said to be doing everything in their power to make it happen. After all the offseason drama it seems like Harden is going to end up getting what he wants, while Dame didn’t get the trade he wanted, but might get himself a ring.

I'm getting a bit skeptical about what I read online these days. Just two days ago, NBC News posted an article saying the Clippers aren't really focused on Harden and aren't making a good enough offer for the trade.

Do you have any up-to-date news to share? It seems like you were pretty confident that Harden was headed to the Clippers.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/clippers-not-focused-on-harden-also-not-offering-enough-to-get-trade-done

Harden already joined the training camp of the 76ers so he is expected to play. I don't know what's in the head of the Clippers' management right now. It has 2 unhealthy star players. They're wasting many seasons expecting Kawhi to be fully healthy for a whole season or playoffs period but it never happened. So it would be hard to imagine the management of the Clippers to make a full swing taking Harden while giving up a lot of future draft picks. Kawhi and even PG13 if being traded aren't that good in the market either so the Clippers may not want to sacrifice their future first-round picks.

But in order for Harden and the 76ers to have peace before the start of this season, it would be nice to do a trade with or without the Clippers.

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Quote from: Yogee on October 06, 2023, 10:54:05 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 06, 2023, 09:58:25 AM

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Obviously, with James Harden also being a superstar, this should result in an improvement in the team's performance. If they continue to struggle after acquiring James Harden, I believe the problem runs deeper, and it might be time for the Clippers to consider a coaching change.

PG - Westbrook
SG - Harden
SF - Leonard
PF - George

Looks good on paper doesn't it? I wonder who is going to take the ball most of the time. The coach will have to force someone to adjust and limit his role so these players won't clash. That player will probably end up unhappy and that will also affect the team. I think the three are already good at sharing the ball but adding Harden into the mix will disrupt that.

If one or two of them suffers serious or season ending injuries again then this trade could be worth it.

It could be that either Westbrook or Harden will carry the ball if they play both at the same time. They play both with they are in Houston so there will be no adjustments as well. But we all know this two is a ball hogger so the best thing is not to let them be in the same floor.

Hopefully I can also with that Leonard will remain healthy. He already commented about the new rule on sitting out players to rest. And he said that players should only sit when they are injured. So he is against load management, but if we will remember, he is one of the first or at least in Clippers who uses this rest as a precautionary measures to avoid getting injured. And that's why I said that at least being healthy this season, we can see if he is going to continue and play hard every night to be able to get that win or take a rest and that will contradict what he says.

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Quote from: Yogee on October 06, 2023, 10:54:05 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 06, 2023, 09:58:25 AM

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Obviously, with James Harden also being a superstar, this should result in an improvement in the team's performance. If they continue to struggle after acquiring James Harden, I believe the problem runs deeper, and it might be time for the Clippers to consider a coaching change.

PG - Westbrook
SG - Harden
SF - Leonard
PF - George

Looks good on paper doesn't it? I wonder who is going to take the ball most of the time. The coach will have to force someone to adjust and limit his role so these players won't clash. That player will probably end up unhappy and that will also affect the team. I think the three are already good at sharing the ball but adding Harden into the mix will disrupt that.

If one or two of them suffers serious or season ending injuries again then this trade could be worth it.

The guy with the most accurate shooting and a high percentage of scoring when holding the ball is crucial. Since Westbrook is the point guard, he should ideally have the ball, but his shooting percentage has significantly dropped. So, his primary role might be to distribute the ball. Harden and PG can shoot from the outside, and they should let Leonard penetrate inside with his accurate mid-range jump shots.

With the current lineup, they will be very unpredictable since all four are offensive threats. The key is to build chemistry, and I'm confident these players understand how to work together as they share the common goal of winning a championship. While a Big 3 is often seen as the foundation of a superteam, having this Big 4 now likely gives them an even better chance of winning a championship.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 06, 2023, 09:58:25 AM

[....]
Obviously, with James Harden also being a superstar, this should result in an improvement in the team's performance. If they continue to struggle after acquiring James Harden, I believe the problem runs deeper, and it might be time for the Clippers to consider a coaching change.

PG - Westbrook
SG - Harden
SF - Leonard
PF - George

Looks good on paper doesn't it? I wonder who is going to take the ball most of the time. The coach will have to force someone to adjust and limit his role so these players won't clash. That player will probably end up unhappy and that will also affect the team. I think the three are already good at sharing the ball but adding Harden into the mix will disrupt that.

If one or two of them suffers serious or season ending injuries again then this trade could be worth it.

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It looks like the Philadelphia 76ers have finally caved to Harden’s pressure and will be shipping him to the Clippers. The Clippers are said to be doing everything in their power to make it happen. After all the offseason drama it seems like Harden is going to end up getting what he wants, while Dame didn’t get the trade he wanted, but might get himself a ring.

The latest rumor I've seen is that the Clippers offered the 76ers an unprotected first-round pick and a swap pick. But the 76ers want more and seem to be interested in Terance Mann. So, I think if the Clippers offer Mann and at least one first-round draft pick, the 76ers will probably take it and send Harden to LA. It's time for this drama to end.

I'm not sure if 76ers is willing to give up TMann for James Harden, although they have Russ already that can play the point guard position for them.

Do you mean the Clippers are not willing to trade TMann for James Harden? I don't think it's impossible, considering that TMann may not be of the same quality as James Harden, who can create his own shots. While TMann might excel defensively, his overall statistics don't match those of a star player. With the Clippers acquiring James Harden, and hopefully, he'll prove to be valuable, their lineup becomes a super team, eliminating the need for further improvements, at least for now. They need to test it out first.

Quote from: btc_angela on October 06, 2023, 03:09:38 AM

But TMann offer a different perspective as a ball handler and even can spread the defense if he hits those outside shots are compare to Russ who had a bad percentage shooting from the outside. So it will be a hard decision for the Clippers and if they are willing, then they could go and test 76ers but asking for more future draft picks since this is the what other teams have been doing in trading their big stars.

TMann is still young, and I'm sure the Clippers can acquire players like him in the future. For now, they need to prioritize building a championship team, and that will only happen if they're willing to make some sacrifices with their current players.

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Quote from: Yogee on October 06, 2023, 09:46:29 AM

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 05, 2023, 08:42:30 PM

It looks like the Philadelphia 76ers have finally caved to Harden’s pressure and will be shipping him to the Clippers. The Clippers are said to be doing everything in their power to make it happen. After all the offseason drama it seems like Harden is going to end up getting what he wants, while Dame didn’t get the trade he wanted, but might get himself a ring.

The latest rumor I've seen is that the Clippers offered the 76ers an unprotected first-round pick and a swap pick. But the 76ers want more and seem to be interested in Terance Mann. So, I think if the Clippers offer Mann and at least one first-round draft pick, the 76ers will probably take it and send Harden to LA. It's time for this drama to end.

I get it that they want as many key players available since PG and Kahwi are often injured but adding Harden would make the team out of balance. I cannot imagine these four guys all healthy and playing on the court at the same time. This doesn't look good on the Clipper side unless they can replace Mann but they probably know better so let's wait

Let them figure out what they will do later. Right now, they need to focus on improving their lineup. Obviously, with James Harden also being a superstar, this should result in an improvement in the team's performance. If they continue to struggle after acquiring James Harden, I believe the problem runs deeper, and it might be time for the Clippers to consider a coaching change.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on October 06, 2023, 02:05:23 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on October 05, 2023, 08:42:30 PM

It looks like the Philadelphia 76ers have finally caved to Harden’s pressure and will be shipping him to the Clippers. The Clippers are said to be doing everything in their power to make it happen. After all the offseason drama it seems like Harden is going to end up getting what he wants, while Dame didn’t get the trade he wanted, but might get himself a ring.

The latest rumor I've seen is that the Clippers offered the 76ers an unprotected first-round pick and a swap pick. But the 76ers want more and seem to be interested in Terance Mann. So, I think if the Clippers offer Mann and at least one first-round draft pick, the 76ers will probably take it and send Harden to LA. It's time for this drama to end.

I get it that they want as many key players available since PG and Kahwi are often injured but adding Harden would make the team out of balance. I cannot imagine these four guys all healthy and playing on the court at the same time. This doesn't look good on the Clipper side unless they can replace Mann but they probably know better so let's wait

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So maybe just the rest of the NBA, after their dismal performance in FIBA's competition recently in Manila, high caliber athletes are eager to don the US Jersey this coming Olympics and represent Team USA and extract their revenge and win the Gold medal to show US supremacy again in basketball. But I guess the game really evolved as there are a lot of non-American in the NBA right now. So they need to bring in their best player and it might include Joel.

AFAIK, Lebron James, Kevin Durant and Steph Curry have already expressed that they are committed in playing for the US' national team on Olympics. Now this gets more serious. While Joel Embiid is being asked by three national teams.

But if I am him, this is a tough thing. He'll be the hero on Cameroon even if they're not going to get into Olympics and fall with the qualifiers.

And if he wants likely high chance of winning the Olympics, he'll choose to go along with the team USA. He's got a few days left for the deadline of his decision.

The only question is that, are they healthy at that time?
I'm not pessimistic per se, but we know that these NBA players can sustain injuries that might be the reason they can't play at certain tournaments like the Olympics.

Seeing them committing is good because they are seeing other countries coping up, and can match with them already, but the question is, are they releasing statements like this because they want to scare other countries? Well, I guess they want to get back on top again thus they are doing this. It's a shame on their part if they can't win a gold medal knowing that they've been the powerhouse country globally in basketball.

It seems like this consecutive times where they aren't winning a gold medal is a wake-up call for them. I guess I just hope that they can build a team that can be called "Dream Team V2.0". Cheesy

I don't think that they're just telling it to scare other teams. That won't work to other strong teams that are qualified in the Olympics.

Scare doesn't have a place there honestly. And if they won't win a gold, it's not a shame to them although they've been always the favorite to take the gold medal.

But in the past, there have been teams that defeated them and stolen the gold medal from them.

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