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August 30, 2023, 03:38:27 PM
I would guess that the only way Giannis could go to Warriors would be as a free agent, considering he has just one year left on his contract and by the looks of it Bucks are not getting any better, so he could leave for free and that means we are going to end up seeing Giannis as a free agent.

This could result with him going to Warriors if he wants to, and Warriors could trade some players away to make some cap space but to be fair they do not have much. Not like Giannis will accept just bare minimum salary and just go there, vet min for him would be very tiny, he could keep on making a lot more than that. I think he is capable of getting even more than Jalen Brown at this point so it should be important for him to stay.
If Giannis does leave the Bucks whatever team he goes to will make him the highest paid player currently. Unless it really is all about championships he might take a team friendly deal that puts him on a team with a good shot at winning, but he will still get paid very well. He's not going to join a team for 20 million a year is all i'm saying. I cannot really see the Bucks letting him go for nothing as well, they will want to get some sort of compensation.

And it's possible that he is also looking for a huge paycheck, Brown from Boston Celtics has sign a whopping five-year, $304 million supermax extension. Maybe he can bargain higher with the Bucks once his contract expires.

Doubt as well that Warriors can give him that money because they have a lot of superstars already. Or if Giannis is not looking for money and just another championship, then he had to have a huge paycut in order to join GSW.
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August 30, 2023, 03:23:07 PM
I would guess that the only way Giannis could go to Warriors would be as a free agent, considering he has just one year left on his contract and by the looks of it Bucks are not getting any better, so he could leave for free and that means we are going to end up seeing Giannis as a free agent.

This could result with him going to Warriors if he wants to, and Warriors could trade some players away to make some cap space but to be fair they do not have much. Not like Giannis will accept just bare minimum salary and just go there, vet min for him would be very tiny, he could keep on making a lot more than that. I think he is capable of getting even more than Jalen Brown at this point so it should be important for him to stay.
If Giannis does leave the Bucks whatever team he goes to will make him the highest paid player currently. Unless it really is all about championships he might take a team friendly deal that puts him on a team with a good shot at winning, but he will still get paid very well. He's not going to join a team for 20 million a year is all i'm saying. I cannot really see the Bucks letting him go for nothing as well, they will want to get some sort of compensation.
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August 30, 2023, 03:16:56 PM
I would guess that the only way Giannis could go to Warriors would be as a free agent, considering he has just one year left on his contract and by the looks of it Bucks are not getting any better, so he could leave for free and that means we are going to end up seeing Giannis as a free agent.

This could result with him going to Warriors if he wants to, and Warriors could trade some players away to make some cap space but to be fair they do not have much. Not like Giannis will accept just bare minimum salary and just go there, vet min for him would be very tiny, he could keep on making a lot more than that. I think he is capable of getting even more than Jalen Brown at this point so it should be important for him to stay.
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August 30, 2023, 03:13:07 PM
That's pretty disappointing if Giannis packs his bags and join a superstar in another team. I mean he's already accomplished something only a few could achieve and doesn't seem to have a serious falling out with teammates or management. Yes he's demanding something to make the team more competitive before he extends contract but I think that's normal for any player with ambition.

His presence in the Bucks keeps the East exciting and competitive with Celtics and also the Heat.

It's not personal, he just wants to win.
He said in an interview that he almost quit basketball in 2020 due to some mental issues. Then he won the championship and it was "the best feeling ever". That's what motivates him and keeps him going.

Yes, we can't blame him, although if I recall it, he says something about KD joining super teams? Obviously, Giannis just trolling KD, but now it seems that he could have change his mind and maybe do a KD move just to get another ring.

I guess he wants to prevent to fall in this hole again, and this is only possible if he can compete.
The Bucks last year have been the oldest team in the league and some big changes will and have to happen if they want to stay competitive. So if they improve the roster he stays, if they don't, good bye Giannis. Nobody can be mad about that after everything he gave to this team.

Add injuries to it as well, Middleton got injured and was not the same offensive player as he was. So it was a totally different team after winning their first ring. Maybe it was just the mindset as well, but we will see for sure Giannis will give everything he had again for this season. But if they fall for another disappointment, then who knows, he could be packing his bags though to join other teams.
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August 30, 2023, 10:25:11 AM

I think he proved his point. A talent like that shouldn’t be stuck in Milwaukee forever. He brought them the championship like he said he would and he’ll play out his contract. I say let him move to California and set some all time records with Curry in between shooting movies and commercials. He deserves it. His story is a great one.

Giannis needs to ripe the fruit of his success as much as he wants right now because he deserved it and as you said, he gave the Buncks the championships they really wanted and now it's time to have his own choice as a player or someone who want to fulfill his dreams. I guess his planning to have some bigger fans club and he wants to have some further experience in order not to waste his talent and current fame. so when he retires he still gets some offers from endorsers and big companies.
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August 30, 2023, 09:28:39 AM
By the way, I've also heard rumors that the Lakers and Knicks might be places that he might be interested in the future.

I don't think Giannis would be happy joining LeBron. In my opinion, he doesn't seem to fit with the team anymore, and I doubt they can accommodate Giannis considering LeBron and Davis already receive hefty salaries. Additionally, having three big men in the starting lineup doesn't appear favorable; it seems a bit odd in my opinion Smiley

Perhaps if a player who wants to be traded doesn't vocalize their preferred team, fans would not speculate as much. This would be better for the NBA, as fans might become disappointed and potentially withdraw their support from the team due to such speculation.
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August 30, 2023, 09:06:33 AM
The Warriors can make it happen if ever Giannis will insist that he will only seek shelter in the Warriors roof but if no team will be named, I bet almost all of the teams in the league will submit their requests to so that they can land Giannis in their roster because that is already a chance. Knowing Giannis, he's the kind of player who doesn't care which team he plays, he just wanted to be surrounded with some players who also want to win because that is also what he said recently about his situation in the Bucks.

It's not a good practice when players insist they only want to play on a particular team. Lillard and Harden's statements this offseason are prime examples of this. Both insisted on being traded only to the teams they wanted. The result was expected: one got a warning, while the other was fined. So, if Giannis really wants to leave the Bucks, he shouldn't focus on just one team.
By the way, I've also heard rumors that the Lakers and Knicks might be places that he might be interested in the future.
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August 30, 2023, 09:00:19 AM
Warriors can't get Giannis, but one thing that is "just a bit" possible is to get Giannis to play with Doncic. That is going to be tough, and the playbook has to be quite solid because Doncic could be a shooter but he is not a lights out shooter, and he likes to drive inside, with Giannis liking the ball so much, Doncic liking the ball so much and potentially if they still have Irving then him liking the ball so much, you will have a team that is consisting of stars that want the ball in their hands.

Warriors would have been a better fit, but unfortunately that is not going to happen and that is why I think it should be important to remember that Giannis has to go to a team that is filled with shooters, even if not Warriors.

The Warriors can make it happen if ever Giannis will insist that he will only seek shelter in the Warriors roof but if no team will be named, I bet almost all of the teams in the league will submit their requests to so that they can land Giannis in their roster because that is already a chance. Knowing Giannis, he's the kind of player who doesn't care which team he plays, he just wanted to be surrounded with some players who also want to win because that is also what he said recently about his situation in the Bucks.

Yeah Warriors was known to always exceed with their cap and willing to risk more money and pay if ever that Giannis will be available, they can take that risk for the sake of another title.

I can say that if that kind of mega trade will happen, its something that might bring more titles to this
franchise, with splash bros still have that great connections, adding Giannis will surely bring big impact,
knowing how good Giannis and how dedicated he is in terms of wanting to win another title.
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August 30, 2023, 08:10:01 AM
Warriors can't get Giannis, but one thing that is "just a bit" possible is to get Giannis to play with Doncic. That is going to be tough, and the playbook has to be quite solid because Doncic could be a shooter but he is not a lights out shooter, and he likes to drive inside, with Giannis liking the ball so much, Doncic liking the ball so much and potentially if they still have Irving then him liking the ball so much, you will have a team that is consisting of stars that want the ball in their hands.

Warriors would have been a better fit, but unfortunately that is not going to happen and that is why I think it should be important to remember that Giannis has to go to a team that is filled with shooters, even if not Warriors.

The Warriors can make it happen if ever Giannis will insist that he will only seek shelter in the Warriors roof but if no team will be named, I bet almost all of the teams in the league will submit their requests to so that they can land Giannis in their roster because that is already a chance. Knowing Giannis, he's the kind of player who doesn't care which team he plays, he just wanted to be surrounded with some players who also want to win because that is also what he said recently about his situation in the Bucks.
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August 30, 2023, 08:05:24 AM
Against a team with deadly offensive guards, GSW will be forced to bench CP3. Actually, it is okay to bench him since he is already 38 and will be 40 by the end of his contract. The issue though is that CP3 will be paid $30 million per year which is too high for someone to play 20sh minutes per game, especially during the playoffs if they can qualify.

Anyway, it remains to be seen if this GSW experiment will work. I still value young Poole over CP3 but I understand that GSW needs to let go of him since they prefer Draymond.
Yes, no doubt that Jordan Poole has a good contribution to them when they have a championship run. Nevertheless, last season was very different as Draymond and Poole has a scuffle prior to the season and it set the tone for the Warriors and then they completely collapse after the first round. I thought that the issues has been solved already.

But it seems that it was still very evident as we have seen Poole complaining every time he didn't got the ball and then he was bench by Kerr. As for CP3, maybe a good 10 minutes or even 15 minutes might be good for him as a Warrior as he is no longer at his prime and could also be prone to injury.
I would guess that keeping Draymond is a proof that there is going to be hard time for them going forward. Why is that? Well Poole was the one that got punched, but they still sent him away and did not back him up and just wanted to protect Draymond in that situation.

I can understand the loyalty because he is the guy they won 4 rings with and he is the master at the passing for klay and curry and memorized all the plays and does all the dirty things that others can't do to keep them clean etc etc. But that doesn't mean that other players will not see this and go "well I could be punched there and kicked off" and just not want to go there. I would guess this was a tough decision, they made the wrong one emotionally, but probably the right one by the team.

Nothing's personal here; it wasn't the punching incident that led the Warriors to decide on trading Poole. Instead, it was his performance in the playoffs, which I believe was subpar or uncharacteristic of him. I assume the issue between them was already resolved since they played together during the regular season. However, Poole's inconsistency might have played a role, which no team would want from a player they invested a lot of money in.

Yes, that is indeed the reason why Jordan Poole was traded and not anyone else in the roster or Draymond Green. The punching incident was already buried and was not one of the factors why that specific trade took place. If only Poole showed consistency while everyone else in the team is giving their best, he could've remained as the Warriors and wear their jerseys again but since he wasn't, he can only blame himself because after having a good run, he then became a liability to the team.

Warriors will not trade Poole if he's consistent on his performance but he didn't achieve what their management expect so that one provably the main reason why Poole got traded. Thay punching incident is just additional factor since if that happen and Poole is contributing like a star player to Warriors for sure they will not let this guy go anywhere. I guess this is good trade done by then as they eliminate the huge salary of Poole and can give it to Green and to other more useful players on their team.

I disagree. That punching incident wasn't included on the factor on why the Warriors decided to trade Poole, it was his performance in the playoffs which made the Warriors did what they did and in-fact, Poole had it coming to himself because he was not on his usual self during that time. And if Draymond Green was also inconsistent, I won't be surprised either if both of them will not wear the same uniform they had next season but it was just Poole.
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August 30, 2023, 06:52:49 AM
That's pretty disappointing if Giannis packs his bags and join a superstar in another team. I mean he's already accomplished something only a few could achieve and doesn't seem to have a serious falling out with teammates or management. Yes he's demanding something to make the team more competitive before he extends contract but I think that's normal for any player with ambition.

His presence in the Bucks keeps the East exciting and competitive with Celtics and also the Heat.
You're leaning towards the loyalty of a player thus, you see this one as disappointing, eh?

There are certain players who value loyalty over championship, and there are some who value championship over loyalty. Giannis falls on the 2nd one, and there's nothing wrong with it. The perfect example with this is Durant back when the Thunder are up 3-1, and then they still lost to the Warriors. The next season they joined Steph, and Klay to build that OP team. What's the reason? To get a title, and Giannis is almost the same. If he feels that he can't a 2nd title in Milwaukee then what's the reason for him to stay there? He values titles more than loyalty.

Many superstars nowadays are different from the past. In the past, most of them stayed loyal to a team but most teams would trade them when they felt they were not in their primes anymore. And it was understandable since it was business as usual. Nowadays, some superstars not only want to get a ring by joining other superstars but they are also looking for better cities and places like Los Angeles, Florida, and the other big cities. There were even questions if Lebron could be compared to Jordan's greatness if he never left Cleveland. It's a fact that it is more difficult to get a ring by staying loyal to a team especially if the team is not that rich and the city is not that big nor has great weather or good places like white sand beaches. But it is also hard to judge these superstars choosing their preferred cities or joining a superteam because it's their own careers and lives to spend and at least they do not have regrets.

Giannis still has two more seasons before he can exercise his option to continue or leave or to extend. Before signing his super contract a few years ago, there were many teams that wanted to take him. IIRC the Miami Heat was one of those teams that were expecting to have a good chance of getting him. But at the end of the day, Giannis decided to stay in the smaller city of Milwaukee. Giannis delivered also a ring to the city so it could be that he also wants to play for another team or relocate to a better place. 
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August 30, 2023, 06:46:36 AM
That's pretty disappointing if Giannis packs his bags and join a superstar in another team. I mean he's already accomplished something only a few could achieve and doesn't seem to have a serious falling out with teammates or management. Yes he's demanding something to make the team more competitive before he extends contract but I think that's normal for any player with ambition.

His presence in the Bucks keeps the East exciting and competitive with Celtics and also the Heat.
You're leaning towards the loyalty of a player thus, you see this one as disappointing, eh?

There are certain players who value loyalty over championship, and there are some who value championship over loyalty. Giannis falls on the 2nd one, and there's nothing wrong with it. The perfect example with this is Durant back when the Thunder are up 3-1, and then they still lost to the Warriors. The next season they joined Steph, and Klay to build that OP team. What's the reason? To get a title, and Giannis is almost the same. If he feels that he can't a 2nd title in Milwaukee then what's the reason for him to stay there? He values titles more than loyalty.
It's not about loyalty. I wasn't even thinking about that. My disappointment would come from the concentration of top talents in only a few teams. You mentioned Durant so let me use him as an example too. I think joining GSW and forming the "splash family" back then should never be replicated. Great job for getting the ring that he was chasing but that move eventually made the league quite predictable and boring.
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August 30, 2023, 06:43:13 AM
If he love to move to GSW or any desired team then I guess he deserve that, he already finish his task with Bucks since as you said he already gives them a championship and now its time for him to discover other things outside on his team that can improve him. Maybe they would really get a good chemistry with Curry and if their pair up would happen then this is scary knowing that both of them can able to provide good numbers on their respected area.

In terms of chemistry, I don't see any problem with Curry because he can always adjust to any superstar playing alongside him on the team. He already proved this with Kevin Durant, where despite being the best player on the team, Curry allowed Durant to shine as the best player. As a result, they won multiple championships, with Durant winning the Finals MVP twice. Throughout this, Curry remained true to himself without criticism or envy.

I believe Curry has the potential to elevate Giannis' game as well.
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August 30, 2023, 05:59:23 AM
That's pretty disappointing if Giannis packs his bags and join a superstar in another team. I mean he's already accomplished something only a few could achieve and doesn't seem to have a serious falling out with teammates or management. Yes he's demanding something to make the team more competitive before he extends contract but I think that's normal for any player with ambition.

His presence in the Bucks keeps the East exciting and competitive with Celtics and also the Heat.

It's not personal, he just wants to win.
He said in an interview that he almost quit basketball in 2020 due to some mental issues. Then he won the championship and it was "the best feeling ever". That's what motivates him and keeps him going.

I guess he wants to prevent to fall in this hole again, and this is only possible if he can compete.
The Bucks last year have been the oldest team in the league and some big changes will and have to happen if they want to stay competitive. So if they improve the roster he stays, if they don't, good bye Giannis. Nobody can be mad about that after everything he gave to this team.

I think he proved his point. A talent like that shouldn’t be stuck in Milwaukee forever. He brought them the championship like he said he would and he’ll play out his contract. I say let him move to California and set some all time records with Curry in between shooting movies and commercials. He deserves it. His story is a great one.

If he love to move to GSW or any desired team then I guess he deserve that, he already finish his task with Bucks since as you said he already gives them a championship and now its time for him to discover other things outside on his team that can improve him. Maybe they would really get a good chemistry with Curry and if their pair up would happen then this is scary knowing that both of them can able to provide good numbers on their respected area.
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August 30, 2023, 03:24:32 AM
I definitely wouldn’t say it’s impossible. If Giannis plays out his contract he could go wherever he wants. It’s just a matter of who wants to make the room for him or pay insane luxury tax penalties. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume the Warriors would pay whatever and buyout whoever in order to pair up Curry and Giannis.
Can you please tell me which players can the Warriors give to the Bucks just to get Giannis? Because looking at their current roster, I don't think that the Bucks are interested in getting some Warriors players. They have 2 first round picks for the next 2 years. The Bucks are the oldest team in the NBA last season, and they need younger players definitely. If they want to get younger players, they need to get it from another team, and not the Warriors.

Yes it's still possible, but what are the chances of it to happen? All of the teams right now are interested in him already, and keeping an eye on him after his statement in one of his interview. The only question now is which team has the players, and draft picks that's enough to get Giannis. Unfortunately, I don't see the Warriors up there getting him, and TBH I don't also think that the Warriors will try to get him. I mean they have Looney as their starting Center, and that rookie as their back-up. Why the need for a 3rd one?

That's pretty disappointing if Giannis packs his bags and join a superstar in another team. I mean he's already accomplished something only a few could achieve and doesn't seem to have a serious falling out with teammates or management. Yes he's demanding something to make the team more competitive before he extends contract but I think that's normal for any player with ambition.

His presence in the Bucks keeps the East exciting and competitive with Celtics and also the Heat.
You're leaning towards the loyalty of a player thus, you see this one as disappointing, eh?

There are certain players who value loyalty over championship, and there are some who value championship over loyalty. Giannis falls on the 2nd one, and there's nothing wrong with it. The perfect example with this is Durant back when the Thunder are up 3-1, and then they still lost to the Warriors. The next season they joined Steph, and Klay to build that OP team. What's the reason? To get a title, and Giannis is almost the same. If he feels that he can't a 2nd title in Milwaukee then what's the reason for him to stay there? He values titles more than loyalty.
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August 29, 2023, 11:14:56 PM
That's pretty disappointing if Giannis packs his bags and join a superstar in another team. I mean he's already accomplished something only a few could achieve and doesn't seem to have a serious falling out with teammates or management. Yes he's demanding something to make the team more competitive before he extends contract but I think that's normal for any player with ambition.

His presence in the Bucks keeps the East exciting and competitive with Celtics and also the Heat.

It's not personal, he just wants to win.
He said in an interview that he almost quit basketball in 2020 due to some mental issues. Then he won the championship and it was "the best feeling ever". That's what motivates him and keeps him going.

I guess he wants to prevent to fall in this hole again, and this is only possible if he can compete.
The Bucks last year have been the oldest team in the league and some big changes will and have to happen if they want to stay competitive. So if they improve the roster he stays, if they don't, good bye Giannis. Nobody can be mad about that after everything he gave to this team.

I think he proved his point. A talent like that shouldn’t be stuck in Milwaukee forever. He brought them the championship like he said he would and he’ll play out his contract. I say let him move to California and set some all time records with Curry in between shooting movies and commercials. He deserves it. His story is a great one.
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August 29, 2023, 09:47:10 PM
That's pretty disappointing if Giannis packs his bags and join a superstar in another team. I mean he's already accomplished something only a few could achieve and doesn't seem to have a serious falling out with teammates or management. Yes he's demanding something to make the team more competitive before he extends contract but I think that's normal for any player with ambition.

His presence in the Bucks keeps the East exciting and competitive with Celtics and also the Heat.

It's not personal, he just wants to win.
He said in an interview that he almost quit basketball in 2020 due to some mental issues. Then he won the championship and it was "the best feeling ever". That's what motivates him and keeps him going.

I guess he wants to prevent to fall in this hole again, and this is only possible if he can compete.
The Bucks last year have been the oldest team in the league and some big changes will and have to happen if they want to stay competitive. So if they improve the roster he stays, if they don't, good bye Giannis. Nobody can be mad about that after everything he gave to this team.
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August 29, 2023, 07:41:30 PM
That's pretty disappointing if Giannis packs his bags and join a superstar in another team. I mean he's already accomplished something only a few could achieve and doesn't seem to have a serious falling out with teammates or management. Yes he's demanding something to make the team more competitive before he extends contract but I think that's normal for any player with ambition.

His presence in the Bucks keeps the East exciting and competitive with Celtics and also the Heat.
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August 29, 2023, 07:24:35 PM
I definitely wouldn’t say it’s impossible. If Giannis plays out his contract he could go wherever he wants. It’s just a matter of who wants to make the room for him or pay insane luxury tax penalties. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume the Warriors would pay whatever and buyout whoever in order to pair up Curry and Giannis.
That will be ridiculous if the Warriors can keep their old roster intact while taking Giannis too. That way high of luxury tax and I don't think the Warriors owners could handle that anymore. It's suicide.
They will have to give up a lot of players to make it happen although like you said, it is possible with the right management.

Just imagining those two playing together gives me the goosebumps. One that should be defended in the three-point line to avoid building momentum attacking the rim and another that also must be defended in the three-point line because of his scary shooting career. It's crazy. An opponent will need two good defenders and what if a switch happens it's over.  Cheesy
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August 29, 2023, 04:21:30 PM
I definitely wouldn’t say it’s impossible. If Giannis plays out his contract he could go wherever he wants. It’s just a matter of who wants to make the room for him or pay insane luxury tax penalties. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume the Warriors would pay whatever and buyout whoever in order to pair up Curry and Giannis.
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