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Has anyone else been actually following the NBA Summer league pretty much ? I mean watching these rookies games (not Bronny James please), I think despite this draft class being considered as a very weak draft class, I've actually been impressed by what I've seen from the lads so far, especially the top 10 picks, I know they still have a lot to prove, because the NBA regular season is going to be a whole different level of ball game, but then I'm opined that this draft class might have actually just been underrated by the media and NBA analysts.

I honestly don't find the performance of the top 10 players of this draft impressive. Risacher, Holland II, Dillingham, and Williams are really performing well, but the rest of them are pretty mediocre in the summer league. Look at Sarr, he's performing very poorly even though he was selected with the second pick of the draft.

I guess at the early stage if we are willing to bet on the rookie of the year future we can find some value on the odds.

As you can see, it seems like the odds are just based on the raking of draft pick.
I have not actually followed the games a lot, but who do you think will win the ROY next season?

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Player   Odds
Zach Edey   +600
Alexandre Sarr   +700
Zaccharie Risacher   +800
Dalton Knecht   +900
Stephon Castle   +1000
Reed Sheppard   +1100

Zach Edey is the only player I’ve ever heard of before the draft. I’d imagine that probably gives him an edge on things like rookie of the year betting, but it is a bit premature. I imagine once the season starts and we get a few games in, it will become clear who the best rookie in the pack is.

But if you are betting, this is the right time, as the odds are going to change or drop if a player is playing well during the regular season. Others are saying that Zach Edey isn't playing well, so this is getting unpredictable. Some might see value in this, and personally, if I believe that he will win the ROY, I would take +600 all day.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 24, 2024, 06:32:20 AM

A career 42.2% in 3-point area and shot 42.4% last season. He has been a good 2nd unit hence, they gave him this kind of contract. With how expensive the Celtics are right now, this is kind of surprising that they will give this huge contract to a role player. I mean you have 2 players who have a contract of more than $300M in the next 3-5 years. I believe they're making a gamble right now since with the new CBA, their draft pick will be affected because they're expensive.

That's the thing with Boston Celtics right now, they have every right to keep the team after winning their 1st championship with Tatum and Brown. But it's not a two player, they will have to sign up most of it's role player too, including Hauser and he had games as well wherein he contributed in offense as he is one of the best shooters we have in the league right now.

However, they are now over the salary cap and so they will have to pay the luxury tax right now. So it's really hard to maintain this kind of money specially if the team will not have a good performance. So it's really a gamble for them to pay their players with good salary this season.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on July 24, 2024, 04:19:13 AM

Sam Hauser also agreed on a 4-year contract extension with the Boston Celtics at $45 million dollars. Wow! One of the best shooters that I've seen and I think the Celtics will be stronger offensively with him.
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1815053642606444631

He is a good shooter, so he deserves this kind of contract. With his limited minutes, I think this is just enough, but if the team wants some 3-point shooting while others are struggling, they can put him in. I think his problem is just his defense; he is not a good defender, so he is a liability in that aspect. However, with that kind of shooting percentage, I think it's right to invest in him.

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I don't know what you guys been watching, but from what I watched, they all suck and that is obvious from the summer league. Remember, most of these kids are playing against each other, and mostly g-league players as well, not real nba players.

I think they all suck, yes but that would by NBA standard not be the standard that should be set for a rookie coming into the league, you really don't expect them to have it all figure out, there is a lot learning, unlearning and relearning ahead of them, but going by the basic bar that should be set for rookies and major all season long bench players I really don't think they were bad at all, to be very honest. None 3 of the players from any team in the Summer league are going into any team's lineup all together they are literally just bits and pieces that are meant to compliment the franchise that chose them, not bring them the championship next season.

Yeah, probably one of those drafts that there are not much hype on the names, assuming that in the last couple of years, we have rookies coming in with great names. So I gues it has to balance itself for this year as there are no rookies that we want to follow or at least try to see what they can do in the NBA.

And most likely it was overshadow by again Bronny (as much as we don't want to discussed a 55th draft pick). But he was so polarizing enough that we don't look at other names in the rookie draft maybe top 1-5 but still there are not that recognizable going into the NBA.

Although we don't see any much interesting this summer league but still regular season is long way to show case the talents of those rookies. Provably we could able to see a good talents since there's so many of them and maybe there's hidden gem among them.

Media focus to much on Bronny that's why maybe we just didn't notice the performance of other player. So lets just see if there would be a exciting rookie to watch this season aside from Bronny. But expect that there would be a lot more hype on Lakers since since many fans expect to see something great seeing Bronny to play alongside with his father.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on July 24, 2024, 04:19:13 AM

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Spencer Dinwiddie has signed a 1-year contract with the Dallas Mavericks. This was a nice player boost for Dallas. He will provide great support to Doncic and Kyrie during the regular season. The Dallas Mavericks are one of the biggest contenders for the championship this year.

Dinwiddie with Kyrie again, and with Luka too. They had been teammates before so I think chemistry won't be a problem. They are piling up guards and I think this is all to match the Celtics again if ever they go as far as the Finals one more time. It is a good addition since they don't know when Kyrie Irving will be back from his hand injury. Luka cannot do it all, Klay Thompson is not a ball handler so I think the Mavs did a great job here to fill the hole of a missing point guard.

They didn't resign Tim Hardaway Jr. just to have cap space to acquire Klay. With that move, they got Klay and they also got back another back-up PG in Dinwiddie. His stint when he's with the Lakers isn't that good if you will ask me because of the limited time, and when he's playing, he's most of the time having a bad night, but I believe that he's still a good back-up front court and props to the Mavericks in getting him. I hope they will get another defender or at least a Small Forward type of player who can shoot threes. They can get likes of Cedi Osman or Achiuwa or they can get THANASSIS. Cheesy

Quote from: danherbias07 on July 24, 2024, 04:19:13 AM

Sam Hauser also agreed on a 4-year contract extension with the Boston Celtics at $45 million dollars. Wow! One of the best shooters that I've seen and I think the Celtics will be stronger offensively with him.
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1815053642606444631

A career 42.2% in 3-point area and shot 42.4% last season. He has been a good 2nd unit hence, they gave him this kind of contract. With how expensive the Celtics are right now, this is kind of surprising that they will give this huge contract to a role player. I mean you have 2 players who have a contract of more than $300M in the next 3-5 years. I believe they're making a gamble right now since with the new CBA, their draft pick will be affected because they're expensive.

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Quote from: Harkorede on July 23, 2024, 04:44:19 PM

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I don't know what you guys been watching, but from what I watched, they all suck and that is obvious from the summer league. Remember, most of these kids are playing against each other, and mostly g-league players as well, not real nba players.

I think they all suck, yes but that would by NBA standard not be the standard that should be set for a rookie coming into the league, you really don't expect them to have it all figure out, there is a lot learning, unlearning and relearning ahead of them, but going by the basic bar that should be set for rookies and major all season long bench players I really don't think they were bad at all, to be very honest. None 3 of the players from any team in the Summer league are going into any team's lineup all together they are literally just bits and pieces that are meant to compliment the franchise that chose them, not bring them the championship next season.

Yeah, probably one of those drafts that there are not much hype on the names, assuming that in the last couple of years, we have rookies coming in with great names. So I gues it has to balance itself for this year as there are no rookies that we want to follow or at least try to see what they can do in the NBA.

And most likely it was overshadow by again Bronny (as much as we don't want to discussed a 55th draft pick). But he was so polarizing enough that we don't look at other names in the rookie draft maybe top 1-5 but still there are not that recognizable going into the NBA.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on July 24, 2024, 04:19:13 AM

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Spencer Dinwiddie has signed a 1-year contract with the Dallas Mavericks. This was a nice player boost for Dallas. He will provide great support to Doncic and Kyrie during the regular season. The Dallas Mavericks are one of the biggest contenders for the championship this year.

Dinwiddie with Kyrie again, and with Luka too. They had been teammates before so I think chemistry won't be a problem. They are piling up guards and I think this is all to match the Celtics again if ever they go as far as the Finals one more time. It is a good addition since they don't know when Kyrie Irving will be back from his hand injury. Luka cannot do it all, Klay Thompson is not a ball handler so I think the Mavs did a great job here to fill the hole of a missing point guard.

Yeah, good for Dinwiddie, at least he can stretch his career for another year as he is familiar with the Dallas Mavericks and I think Spencer can still ball, he was not just given time by the Lakers when they got him in the second half of the season

Perhaps he was absorb to be another scorer for the team. He has that experience already bouncing from team to team and there are moments in his career that he become the go to guy like when he was in the Nets to provide scoring. And looking at the agency and how the Mavericks is building, they could be running for another finals appearance this upcoming season.

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Quote from: MK-74 on July 23, 2024, 11:56:19 AM

Spencer Dinwiddie has signed a 1-year contract with the Dallas Mavericks. This was a nice player boost for Dallas. He will provide great support to Doncic and Kyrie during the regular season. The Dallas Mavericks are one of the biggest contenders for the championship this year.

Dinwiddie with Kyrie again, and with Luka too. They had been teammates before so I think chemistry won't be a problem. They are piling up guards and I think this is all to match the Celtics again if ever they go as far as the Finals one more time. It is a good addition since they don't know when Kyrie Irving will be back from his hand injury. Luka cannot do it all, Klay Thompson is not a ball handler so I think the Mavs did a great job here to fill the hole of a missing point guard.

Sam Hauser also agreed on a 4-year contract extension with the Boston Celtics at $45 million dollars. Wow! One of the best shooters that I've seen and I think the Celtics will be stronger offensively with him.
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1815053642606444631

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Quote from: Questat on July 23, 2024, 08:03:40 AM

I guess at the early stage if we are willing to bet on the rookie of the year future we can find some value on the odds.

As you can see, it seems like the odds are just based on the raking of draft pick.
I have not actually followed the games a lot, but who do you think will win the ROY next season?

odds

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Player   Odds
Zach Edey   +600
Alexandre Sarr   +700
Zaccharie Risacher   +800
Dalton Knecht   +900
Stephon Castle   +1000
Reed Sheppard   +1100

It's too early for that kind of speculation. But if we're only focusing on these guys' performance during the summer league, then my choice would be either Dalton Knecht, Stephon Castle, or Reed Sheppard. These guys performed about equally during the summer league, but maybe Dalton Knecht was a little better.

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Quote from: darewaller on July 23, 2024, 01:28:04 PM

I don't know what you guys been watching, but from what I watched, they all suck and that is obvious from the summer league. Remember, most of these kids are playing against each other, and mostly g-league players as well, not real nba players.

I think they all suck, yes but that would by NBA standard not be the standard that should be set for a rookie coming into the league, you really don't expect them to have it all figure out, there is a lot learning, unlearning and relearning ahead of them, but going by the basic bar that should be set for rookies and major all season long bench players I really don't think they were bad at all, to be very honest. None 3 of the players from any team in the Summer league are going into any team's lineup all together they are literally just bits and pieces that are meant to compliment the franchise that chose them, not bring them the championship next season.

The NBA is a totally different game than what they are used to. A lot of them are struggling to learn new sets and working out harder than ever before. Not to mention everyone is trying hard to make a name for themselves. It’s no wonder the play is sloppy. That’s why they have summer leagues. A lot of these kids will struggle to make an actual NBA squad, but it’s another step in the development process.

Exactly, these are still players of 18-20 years, the first year is even more them getting into right body shape, it only one in a 100 that get's really ready for the very first season and that's usually for teams that are currently struggling to get a competitive roster if not, even the no 1-5 would find it very to secure a starting spot in teams that have just won a championship or did some 2-3 years ago. It's one step at a time for these players and most of seem to be heading in good direction for me, even though 80-85% of them could spend their first few years in the G-league in the with teams having heavy roster. Take a look at GG Jackson for instance, if Memphis Grizzlies had not been plagued with injury last season, I doubt he'll be anywhere near making he NBA debut let alone becoming an important piece for the team fir the upcoming season.

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Quote from: MK-74 on July 23, 2024, 11:56:19 AM

Spencer Dinwiddie has signed a 1-year contract with the Dallas Mavericks. This was a nice player boost for Dallas. He will provide great support to Doncic and Kyrie during the regular season. The Dallas Mavericks are one of the biggest contenders for the championship this year.

Don't forget Klay. Grin

Quote from: darewaller on July 23, 2024, 01:28:04 PM

I don't know what you guys been watching, but from what I watched, they all suck and that is obvious from the summer league. Remember, most of these kids are playing against each other, and mostly g-league players as well, not real nba players.

Sure there are some terrible tanking teams in the NBA, but aside from a few, these players are horrible and I am not seeing how they could get any better at all. I believe that if we know what we are talking about, then we can assume how terrible they will be when the regular season starts, these are not even 15 minutes off the bench level of players, even the top ten. Top ten isn't good enough for that, and second round should all be waived, they are that terrible.

This is why I honestly think that we are going to see these players shred to pieces when the regular season comes. Many are watching and seeing them do "okay" during summer league and think that they will do ok in the regular season, but they won't, you need to be super star levels of good at summer league, in order to make a difference at nba, you can't just be ok at summer league and expect to be same when the nba starts as well, that is not how that works at all.

That's because it's part of the program and the media is all over it. And as the NBA is on the break, all eyes are on it. So, I can't blame people putting some criticism to what they watch there.

It's part of the start and it's that fans expect that because it is an "NBA" summer league, calibers there are expected to play good.

But you're right and I agree to what you've said.

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Quote from: Harkorede on July 23, 2024, 04:44:19 PM

Quote from: darewaller on July 23, 2024, 01:28:04 PM

I don't know what you guys been watching, but from what I watched, they all suck and that is obvious from the summer league. Remember, most of these kids are playing against each other, and mostly g-league players as well, not real nba players.

I think they all suck, yes but that would by NBA standard not be the standard that should be set for a rookie coming into the league, you really don't expect them to have it all figure out, there is a lot learning, unlearning and relearning ahead of them, but going by the basic bar that should be set for rookies and major all season long bench players I really don't think they were bad at all, to be very honest. None 3 of the players from any team in the Summer league are going into any team's lineup all together they are literally just bits and pieces that are meant to compliment the franchise that chose them, not bring them the championship next season.

The NBA is a totally different game than what they are used to. A lot of them are struggling to learn new sets and working out harder than ever before. Not to mention everyone is trying hard to make a name for themselves. It’s no wonder the play is sloppy. That’s why they have summer leagues. A lot of these kids will struggle to make an actual NBA squad, but it’s another step in the development process.

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Quote from: darewaller on July 23, 2024, 01:28:04 PM

I don't know what you guys been watching, but from what I watched, they all suck and that is obvious from the summer league. Remember, most of these kids are playing against each other, and mostly g-league players as well, not real nba players.

I think they all suck, yes but that would by NBA standard not be the standard that should be set for a rookie coming into the league, you really don't expect them to have it all figure out, there is a lot learning, unlearning and relearning ahead of them, but going by the basic bar that should be set for rookies and major all season long bench players I really don't think they were bad at all, to be very honest. None 3 of the players from any team in the Summer league are going into any team's lineup all together they are literally just bits and pieces that are meant to compliment the franchise that chose them, not bring them the championship next season.

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I don't know what you guys been watching, but from what I watched, they all suck and that is obvious from the summer league. Remember, most of these kids are playing against each other, and mostly g-league players as well, not real nba players.

Sure there are some terrible tanking teams in the NBA, but aside from a few, these players are horrible and I am not seeing how they could get any better at all. I believe that if we know what we are talking about, then we can assume how terrible they will be when the regular season starts, these are not even 15 minutes off the bench level of players, even the top ten. Top ten isn't good enough for that, and second round should all be waived, they are that terrible.

This is why I honestly think that we are going to see these players shred to pieces when the regular season comes. Many are watching and seeing them do "okay" during summer league and think that they will do ok in the regular season, but they won't, you need to be super star levels of good at summer league, in order to make a difference at nba, you can't just be ok at summer league and expect to be same when the nba starts as well, that is not how that works at all.

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Spencer Dinwiddie has signed a 1-year contract with the Dallas Mavericks. This was a nice player boost for Dallas. He will provide great support to Doncic and Kyrie during the regular season. The Dallas Mavericks are one of the biggest contenders for the championship this year.

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Quote from: Questat on July 23, 2024, 08:03:40 AM

Quote from: dwyane36 on July 23, 2024, 01:30:17 AM

Quote from: Harkorede on July 21, 2024, 10:20:05 PM

Has anyone else been actually following the NBA Summer league pretty much ? I mean watching these rookies games (not Bronny James please), I think despite this draft class being considered as a very weak draft class, I've actually been impressed by what I've seen from the lads so far, especially the top 10 picks, I know they still have a lot to prove, because the NBA regular season is going to be a whole different level of ball game, but then I'm opined that this draft class might have actually just been underrated by the media and NBA analysts.

I honestly don't find the performance of the top 10 players of this draft impressive. Risacher, Holland II, Dillingham, and Williams are really performing well, but the rest of them are pretty mediocre in the summer league. Look at Sarr, he's performing very poorly even though he was selected with the second pick of the draft.

I guess at the early stage if we are willing to bet on the rookie of the year future we can find some value on the odds.

As you can see, it seems like the odds are just based on the raking of draft pick.
I have not actually followed the games a lot, but who do you think will win the ROY next season?

odds

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Player   Odds
Zach Edey   +600
Alexandre Sarr   +700
Zaccharie Risacher   +800
Dalton Knecht   +900
Stephon Castle   +1000
Reed Sheppard   +1100

Zach Edey is the only player I’ve ever heard of before the draft. I’d imagine that probably gives him an edge on things like rookie of the year betting, but it is a bit premature. I imagine once the season starts and we get a few games in, it will become clear who the best rookie in the pack is.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on July 23, 2024, 01:30:17 AM

Quote from: Harkorede on July 21, 2024, 10:20:05 PM

Has anyone else been actually following the NBA Summer league pretty much ? I mean watching these rookies games (not Bronny James please), I think despite this draft class being considered as a very weak draft class, I've actually been impressed by what I've seen from the lads so far, especially the top 10 picks, I know they still have a lot to prove, because the NBA regular season is going to be a whole different level of ball game, but then I'm opined that this draft class might have actually just been underrated by the media and NBA analysts.

I honestly don't find the performance of the top 10 players of this draft impressive. Risacher, Holland II, Dillingham, and Williams are really performing well, but the rest of them are pretty mediocre in the summer league. Look at Sarr, he's performing very poorly even though he was selected with the second pick of the draft.

Looks like this year draftees are so boring. They didn't give much explosive performance which many fans expect them to do on summer league. Its like there's no star potential for this current year and Sarr play so bad which many people expect to see a good performance since he's no.2 pick in the draft.

But its like they got bunch of bench player for this season. But who knows maybe there might be a improvement to happen and we could able to see the real skill of the guy on regular season. I'm still having little faith that there would be a rookies will show a great skills and make a statement that they deserve to get drafted this season.

Yeah, we can't conclude what might be there performances when playing on an actual NBA games, and coaches got an impact as they can give them minutes and sets of play that the rookies may be able to showcase their skills and talents, as per this summer league where they can hype their names, no much noise aside from the eyes of influencers and social media personalities about Bronny and some of those top picks,

aside from that we never know what will be the fate of those rookies and how they will last of create their own path while playing in front of many fans who expected them to bring something decents to gain supports and bring money to the franchise.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on July 23, 2024, 01:30:17 AM

Quote from: Harkorede on July 21, 2024, 10:20:05 PM

Has anyone else been actually following the NBA Summer league pretty much ? I mean watching these rookies games (not Bronny James please), I think despite this draft class being considered as a very weak draft class, I've actually been impressed by what I've seen from the lads so far, especially the top 10 picks, I know they still have a lot to prove, because the NBA regular season is going to be a whole different level of ball game, but then I'm opined that this draft class might have actually just been underrated by the media and NBA analysts.

I honestly don't find the performance of the top 10 players of this draft impressive. Risacher, Holland II, Dillingham, and Williams are really performing well, but the rest of them are pretty mediocre in the summer league. Look at Sarr, he's performing very poorly even though he was selected with the second pick of the draft.

Looks like this year draftees are so boring. They didn't give much explosive performance which many fans expect them to do on summer league. Its like there's no star potential for this current year and Sarr play so bad which many people expect to see a good performance since he's no.2 pick in the draft.

But its like they got bunch of bench player for this season. But who knows maybe there might be a improvement to happen and we could able to see the real skill of the guy on regular season. I'm still having little faith that there would be a rookies will show a great skills and make a statement that they deserve to get drafted this season.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on July 23, 2024, 01:30:17 AM

Quote from: Harkorede on July 21, 2024, 10:20:05 PM

Has anyone else been actually following the NBA Summer league pretty much ? I mean watching these rookies games (not Bronny James please), I think despite this draft class being considered as a very weak draft class, I've actually been impressed by what I've seen from the lads so far, especially the top 10 picks, I know they still have a lot to prove, because the NBA regular season is going to be a whole different level of ball game, but then I'm opined that this draft class might have actually just been underrated by the media and NBA analysts.

I honestly don't find the performance of the top 10 players of this draft impressive. Risacher, Holland II, Dillingham, and Williams are really performing well, but the rest of them are pretty mediocre in the summer league. Look at Sarr, he's performing very poorly even though he was selected with the second pick of the draft.

I guess at the early stage if we are willing to bet on the rookie of the year future we can find some value on the odds.

As you can see, it seems like the odds are just based on the raking of draft pick.
I have not actually followed the games a lot, but who do you think will win the ROY next season?

odds

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Player   Odds
Zach Edey   +600
Alexandre Sarr   +700
Zaccharie Risacher   +800
Dalton Knecht   +900
Stephon Castle   +1000
Reed Sheppard   +1100

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One awful season isn't enough for us to say that Klay is washed out already. What I will say though is that don't expect too much about him anymore because we know that he isn't the Klay we used to see many years ago where he can just catch and shoot anywhere he wants. The Mavericks are 3rd in three-points made last season, and they want to improve it by adding him. The question now is, can he fulfill his role there and will he be a starter? If yes, what position fits for him?

As for the SF role, they have Naji Marshall whom they just signed. Klay can be but he's too small for that role. He can either be a starting SF for the team or will be on the 2nd unit, and if that's the case, they might need to get another back-up SF.

After a long-running injury I wouldn't be confident of him to play like in the past of course. I have liked him because of his being a great shooter. His playing style reminds me of Ray Allen.

However the injury he got some years ago affected his career really negatively. His last season performance was not bad but not consistent enough as well.

I don't think he would be a good choice for SF role either. I don't think he has what is needed for this role in the first place now. I think he would be a bigger help by playing as SG.

He did come back after his injury and help the Warriors to become a 4 time NBA champion so that is really a big accomplished for Klay. Maybe we can call it his last hurray because after that, it seems that his game has deteriorated although we all know that their big 3 has already been aged already so that could be one factor for his game to really go down last season and so him and the Warriors didn't agree on the money.

Anyhow, let's see how he will do in the Mavericks uniform, maybe he will be motivated to proved that he still has it. Or the Mavs taking his big gamble on his in 2 years and pay him big money without getting any. We will see it this season and for sure everyone is exciting Klay playing against his former team.

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