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September 30, 2024, 12:01:53 AM

I didn't follow them with their careers on Villanova but it seems a lot of discussions about them being reunited in the Knicks.

But that's life, not everyone gets to stay in the team and maybe after or during this season another one or two will be stripped away from the Knicks from these Villanova boys.
Same here, I’ve only heard it from the commentators during the playoffs; you can really see their good chemistry. But this big 3 won’t be playing together next season. They played well but just fell short, which is why they decided to bring in KAT...they believe he’s the missing link to becoming champions.

 Hopefully, KAT stays healthy, because his contributions will be huge come playoffs, especially with the Knicks already showing strong teamwork and having a solid PG like Brunson.


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September 29, 2024, 11:41:38 PM
And that also. KAT's price is high and the Timberwolves will be focusing all their money on Antman so they only need players that would help him out and not another star. Still, I think the Knicks won this trade but not that much. We still need to see how it will work out with Brunson and KAT because this will be the first time they play with each other.
Anyway, I think KAT is also glad that he is out of the Timberwolves because I have a feeling that the fans are starting to hate him after that bad WCF performance.
Well, not everyone should like KAT. Some people don't like his style of play. Everyone has their own vision and understanding of the game, players and the whole team. Is it just me, or are the requirements getting stricter every year? A basketball player must have certain skills to be noticed and acquired by a world-famous team. Yes, I understand that money solves many of the main problems now, but still... You need to not only be able to buy players, but also be able to spot talent in others.
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September 29, 2024, 05:01:43 PM
It's just disappointing about the Villanova Boys. We really thought that lineup would come together. Now only Jalen Brunson, Mikal Bridges and Josh Hart are left. But in case all four Villanova Boys end up on the same team, one of them would surely end up on the bench and that's Donte DiVincenzo. I don't see all four of them being effective together or as part of the starting five. That's why I can say that this trade between Minnesota and New York is a win-win for both teams. The Wolves don't need another center since they already have Gobert and Naz Reid, who are reliable. I think Naz Reid will be a starter this season.
I didn't follow them with their careers on Villanova but it seems a lot of discussions about them being reunited in the Knicks.

But that's life, not everyone gets to stay in the team and maybe after or during this season another one or two will be stripped away from the Knicks from these Villanova boys.
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September 29, 2024, 04:56:55 PM
I’m not sure how Randle will fit in on Minnesota, so to me that is the big question mark with this trade. I’m expecting Ant to have a breakout year statistically though.
Randle is a choker for crucial games but as everyone is saying maybe it will change and both are winners to their own perspective by doing this trade. It's funny that these teams are announcing the trades first with the media before they announce it to the players being traded. KATs comment was "stunned".

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He has played a handful of games ypu can't say he is a choker based on a small sample set.  Dude is a bully and one of the most underappreciated 4 in the game.  Throws up 25/10/5 in his sleep.  As a knicks fan I don't like the trade.  I know they needed a 5 but I like a good traditional 5 one that doesn't sit outside the 3 point line.  He does fill a gap that Robinson filled with him being out to start the year.  Hope KAT can stay on the court.
That's what many of the Knicks have said and they think that Wolves are the ones that won this trade. But the Knicks won't do something like this if they don't think that the player they are getting won't fit to their program and playstyle. We as fans can only do so much to the team and hope that this is going to be an actual good decision that will make them consistent for this upcoming season and I agree, hopefully KAT remains healthy.
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September 29, 2024, 02:03:44 PM
It's just disappointing about the Villanova Boys. We really thought that lineup would come together. Now only Jalen Brunson, Mikal Bridges and Josh Hart are left. But in case all four Villanova Boys end up on the same team, one of them would surely end up on the bench and that's Donte DiVincenzo. I don't see all four of them being effective together or as part of the starting five. That's why I can say that this trade between Minnesota and New York is a win-win for both teams. The Wolves don't need another center since they already have Gobert and Naz Reid, who are reliable. I think Naz Reid will be a starter this season.



I also see that way, maybe the reason why they added Donte for that trade as they can't risk that small lineup hopefully it adds up and this trade will materiliaze to them, with Brunson's ledership I'm pretty sure KAT will get his use of it, they just need to jive / blend their game and create a good chemistries with each other.

In terms of Reid, that's possible to become a starter since the coach is fan of a twin tower set up, now that both KAT and Anderson are no longer with the team Reid will take that position as he's very familiar with that system.
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September 29, 2024, 01:14:59 PM
This is a good question.

Who won the Knicks-Wolves blockbuster? And how does it impact the NBA's title picture?
https://sports.yahoo.com/who-won-the-knicks-wolves-blockbuster-and-how-does-it-impact-the-nbas-title-picture-003045406.html
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Dan Titus: The Wolves.
Dan Devine: … Everybody? Nobody?
Ben Rohrbach: The teams just swapped issues. Neither team wanted to pay an existing star who has struggled with injuries and playoff confidence, so why not see if the grass is greener on the other side?

No one could say what could happen at this point. Didn't many basketball fans and analysts also question the pair of Kyrie Irving and Luka Doncic? They didn't believe it would work and they ate all that they said while watching them play in the Finals.
The thing about trades is that it could work out or not and I think it will depend on the team. Luka accepted Kyrie and vice versa. Kyrie stepped back for Luka because he knew he was the leader of the team and respect was created.
We will see if KAT could be the same with JB, he is a star and so is JB but there should be no friction when it comes to leadership.
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September 29, 2024, 11:13:50 AM
It's just disappointing about the Villanova Boys. We really thought that lineup would come together. Now only Jalen Brunson, Mikal Bridges and Josh Hart are left. But in case all four Villanova Boys end up on the same team, one of them would surely end up on the bench and that's Donte DiVincenzo. I don't see all four of them being effective together or as part of the starting five. That's why I can say that this trade between Minnesota and New York is a win-win for both teams. The Wolves don't need another center since they already have Gobert and Naz Reid, who are reliable. I think Naz Reid will be a starter this season.

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September 29, 2024, 11:03:48 AM
Timberwolves got the better end of this trade IMO, picked up an aging star along with a 3 point threat and a 1st rounder and got rid of an aging star who when on the court is dominant but has isn't always available. Brunson probably upset that 1 of his Villanova guys is gone, btu he will get over it.



KAT is 28, he is in his prime. Wouldn't call him aging at all actually. By the way, Julius Randle is actually older than KAT.
About the Villanova connection, well they got a new one in Bridges and lost DD which is obviously the worse player of those to. So the "swap" Villanova wise was still ok for JB I suppose.  Grin

The draft pick has a lot of value I think since it's a Detroit one, unfortunately it's top 13 protected though. I don't see Detroit getting over the hump anytime soon.  Roll Eyes



Yeah I wouldn't call KAT past his prime, same with randle I think both are right in the middle of it.  Staying on the court will determine who got the better of the trade.  Knicks upgraded theor 5 but got extremely weak at the 4 behind OG.  OG has his own injury issues.  I think that will be huge here too.  If OG stays healthy losing randle won't be that huge. 

And with the Detroit pick, yeah ultimately it might just convey into 2nd round picks because of the protections attached to it.
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September 29, 2024, 10:33:00 AM
To be fair, there is a potential that Derrick Rose could be the youngest MVP of his time and not make it to hall of fame.

I still think he should, but when you look at his career, aside from his very first years, there isn't really anything hall of fame worth, and you do not give a few years a hall of fame entry, usually it is for a career, and that dude didn't play good at all for over ten years, that's something that's hard, he has been injured beyond repair.

Brandon Roy for example knew that his time was up and just left, he won't be getting any hall of fame chances, because he left, and knew he couldn't play.

Derrick Rose couldn't stop, didn't feel like stopping, hell even Greg Oden realized his body wasn't taking it, and instead of being injured for many years and not play any games and just have few more games, he just quit.

Derrick Rose was phenomenal when he played and was healthy, but that dude definitely doesn't deserve neither a jersey retirement nor a hall of fame. I know I might be sounding a little harsh, like I hate him or something, but I don't, he was a cool player to watch and I liked him when he played good but that was just a few seasons at best, no need to glorify a few seasons this much.
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September 29, 2024, 07:58:53 AM

As for Brunson, he will just get over it like you said. I believe that he expected that there will be at some point where they will play with different teams. At the end of the day, they're still friends and I also believe that DiVincenzo will have more playing time in Minnesota than in New York.

I doubt that, because if you look at this career stats, *** https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/divindo01.html).. His MP last season was 29.1, the highest in his career,  and we don't even know if he'll be a starter with the Wolves.

This is I think the latest depth chart of Wolves https://www.espn.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/min DiVincenzo is listed in second unit which and they need major contributor coming off the bench. The starting five of Wolves is solid and If Randle will be questionable then I guess Naz Reid will be his replacement since they already test out how efficient this guy when they need solid player to step up for their team.

Even though Wolves lose KAT they are still an exciting team since their new added player is well known contributor for their past team so with their latest movement there's no doubt that they became a title contender again.
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September 29, 2024, 07:04:33 AM

As for Brunson, he will just get over it like you said. I believe that he expected that there will be at some point where they will play with different teams. At the end of the day, they're still friends and I also believe that DiVincenzo will have more playing time in Minnesota than in New York.

I doubt that, because if you look at this career stats, *** https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/divindo01.html).. His MP last season was 29.1, the highest in his career,  and we don't even know if he'll be a starter with the Wolves.
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September 29, 2024, 03:24:40 AM
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So maybe there could still be some hint that the Bulls might do it for DRose. Yes, he didn't win a ring for them and so is Carter, and DRose really put the Bulls on the map during his stay with them with his freak athleticism and posterizing Dragic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAp00SxP30
They should do it. I mean Derrick Rose has been a big help towards their run during his prime. Most of his achievements as well is when he's on Chicago and many fans love him as well. I will not be surprised if they will announce it this year or at least this 2024-2025 NBA Regular season. He deserves that achievement - to retire his #1 jersey. I hope they will do it like what they did to Vince Carter.

That posterized by Dragic is one of his most nasty plays during his prime. Until now, I'm still questioning myself "Why did Dragic did that?" Cheesy

Timberwolves got the better end of this trade IMO, picked up an aging star along with a 3 point threat and a 1st rounder and got rid of an aging star who when on the court is dominant but has isn't always available. Brunson probably upset that 1 of his Villanova guys is gone, btu he will get over it.
I said that the Knicks won this trade just because they got a reliable big that could help them defend the paint and I think that's still the case until now for me. I respect the opinion though since the Wolves got an all-star player and at the same time, a reliable three-point shooter as well in DiVincenzo, but they need to do it because having 3 bigs on one team isn't good for them and they need to get rid of that huge contract that KAT got. With Randle being a free agent next year, they might just let him leave the team or resign depending on his performance this season.

As for Brunson, he will just get over it like you said. I believe that he expected that there will be at some point where they will play with different teams. At the end of the day, they're still friends and I also believe that DiVincenzo will have more playing time in Minnesota than in New York.
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September 29, 2024, 02:38:24 AM
So maybe there could still be some hint that the Bulls might do it for DRose. Yes, he didn't win a ring for them and so is Carter, and DRose really put the Bulls on the map during his stay with them with his freak athleticism and posterizing Dragic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAp00SxP30

That’s good to hear, and hopefully, the Bulls recognize this because, in my opinion, D. Rose deserves recognition in the NBA. No player wants to get injured, and during his prime, D. Rose was truly remarkable. He wasn’t afraid to go up against the big guys, never played it safe to avoid injury. With all his effort and love for the team, he deserves that reward. And honestly, after the Bulls, there wasn’t any other team where D. Rose made such a significant impact.
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September 29, 2024, 01:56:53 AM
Yeah, I see some highlights of Donte during his stint with the Knicks and that killer 3's. For sure they could have other players to step in for him and they are filled with shooting guards. But we can't take that away from him, on what he did in the Knicks and fans surely love him for that. As for Randle, I might have been a few who thinks that he is going to be traded as we have seen Jalen Brunson's performance. And the management thinks that he is no longer needed.
Yeah, I have an idea that Randle will be traded but I didn't expect they would add Donte to it. Maybe the Timberwolves also want to cripple them a bit and then Donte could also be a good addition to their firepower especially when Antman is trying to penetrate. They need shooters to space the floor.

I think KAT was clearly the best player in this trade and I think it is the biggest deal of the offseason so far. All the analysts are saying the same thing about the motivation behind this deal. Minnesota didn’t have the money to pay out Ant and KAT over the coming years so they took an opportunity to try and get better for the short term and the long term by building some more toughness. We’ll see how it turns out. This will be one of the more interesting things to watch this year.
And that also. KAT's price is high and the Timberwolves will be focusing all their money on Antman so they only need players that would help him out and not another star. Still, I think the Knicks won this trade but not that much. We still need to see how it will work out with Brunson and KAT because this will be the first time they play with each other.
Anyway, I think KAT is also glad that he is out of the Timberwolves because I have a feeling that the fans are starting to hate him after that bad WCF performance.
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September 29, 2024, 01:30:40 AM
Speaking of DRose retirement and questions about him and the Bull retiring his jersey, the Toronto Raptors recently announced that they will retire Vince Carter jersey, Raptors will retire Vince Carter's No. 15 jersey in November

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The Toronto Raptors will retire the No. 15 jersey of eight-time All-Star Vince Carter on Nov. 2, team president Masai Ujiri announced Friday during a public function. “We do it with great pride and great honor,” Ujiri said. “So on behalf of all of us, we say congratulations Vince.” Carter was in Toronto for a ceremony at the renovated Vince Carter Court, where he was overcome with emotion as Ujiri surprised him with the news that he would become the first Raptors player to have his jersey raised to the rafters at Scotiabank Arena.

“I’m beyond words,” Carter said per The Canadian Press.

The Raptors hung No. 15 jerseys throughout Toronto in the days leading up to Friday’s announcement.

So maybe there could still be some hint that the Bulls might do it for DRose. Yes, he didn't win a ring for them and so is Carter, and DRose really put the Bulls on the map during his stay with them with his freak athleticism and posterizing Dragic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAp00SxP30
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September 29, 2024, 01:28:46 AM
I think KAT was clearly the best player in this trade and I think it is the biggest deal of the offseason so far. All the analysts are saying the same thing about the motivation behind this deal. Minnesota didn’t have the money to pay out Ant and KAT over the coming years so they took an opportunity to try and get better for the short term and the long term by building some more toughness. We’ll see how it turns out. This will be one of the more interesting things to watch this year.
And no one argues that KAT is a good and effective player who is capable of changing the course of the match. It was not for nothing that he was bought, in my opinion. This is a wonderful investment of money. There will definitely be a profit from this investment. Everything has its time, as they say. If there was no faith in this player, then they would not have acquired him.
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September 29, 2024, 01:05:22 AM
Timberwolves got the better end of this trade IMO, picked up an aging star along with a 3 point threat and a 1st rounder and got rid of an aging star who when on the court is dominant but has isn't always available. Brunson probably upset that 1 of his Villanova guys is gone, btu he will get over it.



KAT is 28, he is in his prime. Wouldn't call him aging at all actually. By the way, Julius Randle is actually older than KAT.
About the Villanova connection, well they got a new one in Bridges and lost DD which is obviously the worse player of those to. So the "swap" Villanova wise was still ok for JB I suppose.  Grin

The draft pick has a lot of value I think since it's a Detroit one, unfortunately it's top 13 protected though. I don't see Detroit getting over the hump anytime soon.  Roll Eyes

I think KAT was clearly the best player in this trade and I think it is the biggest deal of the offseason so far. All the analysts are saying the same thing about the motivation behind this deal. Minnesota didn’t have the money to pay out Ant and KAT over the coming years so they took an opportunity to try and get better for the short term and the long term by building some more toughness. We’ll see how it turns out. This will be one of the more interesting things to watch this year.
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September 29, 2024, 12:28:18 AM
Timberwolves got the better end of this trade IMO, picked up an aging star along with a 3 point threat and a 1st rounder and got rid of an aging star who when on the court is dominant but has isn't always available. Brunson probably upset that 1 of his Villanova guys is gone, btu he will get over it.



KAT is 28, he is in his prime. Wouldn't call him aging at all actually. By the way, Julius Randle is actually older than KAT.
About the Villanova connection, well they got a new one in Bridges and lost DD which is obviously the worse player of those to. So the "swap" Villanova wise was still ok for JB I suppose.  Grin

The draft pick has a lot of value I think since it's a Detroit one, unfortunately it's top 13 protected though. I don't see Detroit getting over the hump anytime soon.  Roll Eyes

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September 29, 2024, 12:12:20 AM
He has knee injuries too often, and this is not good for such a player. It seems to me that he will not be able to recover quickly. After all, this is a place that requires constant rest in case of injury. And when to rest if you need to be in the game and show results? Well, not the best story. If you do not pay attention to this problem in time, you can fly out of big-time sports once and for all.
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September 28, 2024, 04:39:31 PM
This all depends on Rnalde staying healthy though, if he gets injured again, then I do not think that recovery will be that easy, plus he needs to adjust to Wolves, so he can't afford to miss that many games this season, he needs to play so that he can get used to until the playoffs.
That's the same as keeping KAT for them, they've got issues about being healthy but it's like that they've taken more in the roster with Randle and DiVicenzo.

As per my opinion both KAT and Randle already on their past primes, and both already have another stars who's carrying their teams, AE is now the main man of Timverwolves while New york already got Brunson, these trades will give both stars new chance to help their respective teams, I guess both franchise knew what they are doing for the business, let just wait and see if who's going to maximize the trade and will show much better perfomrmances.
And the same as when Brunson was transferred from Mavs to Knicks, let's see how these transfers will do good for their careers.
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