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September 29, 2024, 10:33:00 AM
To be fair, there is a potential that Derrick Rose could be the youngest MVP of his time and not make it to hall of fame.

I still think he should, but when you look at his career, aside from his very first years, there isn't really anything hall of fame worth, and you do not give a few years a hall of fame entry, usually it is for a career, and that dude didn't play good at all for over ten years, that's something that's hard, he has been injured beyond repair.

Brandon Roy for example knew that his time was up and just left, he won't be getting any hall of fame chances, because he left, and knew he couldn't play.

Derrick Rose couldn't stop, didn't feel like stopping, hell even Greg Oden realized his body wasn't taking it, and instead of being injured for many years and not play any games and just have few more games, he just quit.

Derrick Rose was phenomenal when he played and was healthy, but that dude definitely doesn't deserve neither a jersey retirement nor a hall of fame. I know I might be sounding a little harsh, like I hate him or something, but I don't, he was a cool player to watch and I liked him when he played good but that was just a few seasons at best, no need to glorify a few seasons this much.
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September 29, 2024, 07:58:53 AM

As for Brunson, he will just get over it like you said. I believe that he expected that there will be at some point where they will play with different teams. At the end of the day, they're still friends and I also believe that DiVincenzo will have more playing time in Minnesota than in New York.

I doubt that, because if you look at this career stats, *** https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/divindo01.html).. His MP last season was 29.1, the highest in his career,  and we don't even know if he'll be a starter with the Wolves.

This is I think the latest depth chart of Wolves https://www.espn.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/min DiVincenzo is listed in second unit which and they need major contributor coming off the bench. The starting five of Wolves is solid and If Randle will be questionable then I guess Naz Reid will be his replacement since they already test out how efficient this guy when they need solid player to step up for their team.

Even though Wolves lose KAT they are still an exciting team since their new added player is well known contributor for their past team so with their latest movement there's no doubt that they became a title contender again.
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September 29, 2024, 07:04:33 AM

As for Brunson, he will just get over it like you said. I believe that he expected that there will be at some point where they will play with different teams. At the end of the day, they're still friends and I also believe that DiVincenzo will have more playing time in Minnesota than in New York.

I doubt that, because if you look at this career stats, *** https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/divindo01.html).. His MP last season was 29.1, the highest in his career,  and we don't even know if he'll be a starter with the Wolves.
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September 29, 2024, 03:24:40 AM
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So maybe there could still be some hint that the Bulls might do it for DRose. Yes, he didn't win a ring for them and so is Carter, and DRose really put the Bulls on the map during his stay with them with his freak athleticism and posterizing Dragic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAp00SxP30
They should do it. I mean Derrick Rose has been a big help towards their run during his prime. Most of his achievements as well is when he's on Chicago and many fans love him as well. I will not be surprised if they will announce it this year or at least this 2024-2025 NBA Regular season. He deserves that achievement - to retire his #1 jersey. I hope they will do it like what they did to Vince Carter.

That posterized by Dragic is one of his most nasty plays during his prime. Until now, I'm still questioning myself "Why did Dragic did that?" Cheesy

Timberwolves got the better end of this trade IMO, picked up an aging star along with a 3 point threat and a 1st rounder and got rid of an aging star who when on the court is dominant but has isn't always available. Brunson probably upset that 1 of his Villanova guys is gone, btu he will get over it.
I said that the Knicks won this trade just because they got a reliable big that could help them defend the paint and I think that's still the case until now for me. I respect the opinion though since the Wolves got an all-star player and at the same time, a reliable three-point shooter as well in DiVincenzo, but they need to do it because having 3 bigs on one team isn't good for them and they need to get rid of that huge contract that KAT got. With Randle being a free agent next year, they might just let him leave the team or resign depending on his performance this season.

As for Brunson, he will just get over it like you said. I believe that he expected that there will be at some point where they will play with different teams. At the end of the day, they're still friends and I also believe that DiVincenzo will have more playing time in Minnesota than in New York.
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September 29, 2024, 02:38:24 AM
So maybe there could still be some hint that the Bulls might do it for DRose. Yes, he didn't win a ring for them and so is Carter, and DRose really put the Bulls on the map during his stay with them with his freak athleticism and posterizing Dragic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAp00SxP30

That’s good to hear, and hopefully, the Bulls recognize this because, in my opinion, D. Rose deserves recognition in the NBA. No player wants to get injured, and during his prime, D. Rose was truly remarkable. He wasn’t afraid to go up against the big guys, never played it safe to avoid injury. With all his effort and love for the team, he deserves that reward. And honestly, after the Bulls, there wasn’t any other team where D. Rose made such a significant impact.
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September 29, 2024, 01:56:53 AM
Yeah, I see some highlights of Donte during his stint with the Knicks and that killer 3's. For sure they could have other players to step in for him and they are filled with shooting guards. But we can't take that away from him, on what he did in the Knicks and fans surely love him for that. As for Randle, I might have been a few who thinks that he is going to be traded as we have seen Jalen Brunson's performance. And the management thinks that he is no longer needed.
Yeah, I have an idea that Randle will be traded but I didn't expect they would add Donte to it. Maybe the Timberwolves also want to cripple them a bit and then Donte could also be a good addition to their firepower especially when Antman is trying to penetrate. They need shooters to space the floor.

I think KAT was clearly the best player in this trade and I think it is the biggest deal of the offseason so far. All the analysts are saying the same thing about the motivation behind this deal. Minnesota didn’t have the money to pay out Ant and KAT over the coming years so they took an opportunity to try and get better for the short term and the long term by building some more toughness. We’ll see how it turns out. This will be one of the more interesting things to watch this year.
And that also. KAT's price is high and the Timberwolves will be focusing all their money on Antman so they only need players that would help him out and not another star. Still, I think the Knicks won this trade but not that much. We still need to see how it will work out with Brunson and KAT because this will be the first time they play with each other.
Anyway, I think KAT is also glad that he is out of the Timberwolves because I have a feeling that the fans are starting to hate him after that bad WCF performance.
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September 29, 2024, 01:30:40 AM
Speaking of DRose retirement and questions about him and the Bull retiring his jersey, the Toronto Raptors recently announced that they will retire Vince Carter jersey, Raptors will retire Vince Carter's No. 15 jersey in November

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The Toronto Raptors will retire the No. 15 jersey of eight-time All-Star Vince Carter on Nov. 2, team president Masai Ujiri announced Friday during a public function. “We do it with great pride and great honor,” Ujiri said. “So on behalf of all of us, we say congratulations Vince.” Carter was in Toronto for a ceremony at the renovated Vince Carter Court, where he was overcome with emotion as Ujiri surprised him with the news that he would become the first Raptors player to have his jersey raised to the rafters at Scotiabank Arena.

“I’m beyond words,” Carter said per The Canadian Press.

The Raptors hung No. 15 jerseys throughout Toronto in the days leading up to Friday’s announcement.

So maybe there could still be some hint that the Bulls might do it for DRose. Yes, he didn't win a ring for them and so is Carter, and DRose really put the Bulls on the map during his stay with them with his freak athleticism and posterizing Dragic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAp00SxP30
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September 29, 2024, 01:28:46 AM
I think KAT was clearly the best player in this trade and I think it is the biggest deal of the offseason so far. All the analysts are saying the same thing about the motivation behind this deal. Minnesota didn’t have the money to pay out Ant and KAT over the coming years so they took an opportunity to try and get better for the short term and the long term by building some more toughness. We’ll see how it turns out. This will be one of the more interesting things to watch this year.
And no one argues that KAT is a good and effective player who is capable of changing the course of the match. It was not for nothing that he was bought, in my opinion. This is a wonderful investment of money. There will definitely be a profit from this investment. Everything has its time, as they say. If there was no faith in this player, then they would not have acquired him.
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September 29, 2024, 01:05:22 AM
Timberwolves got the better end of this trade IMO, picked up an aging star along with a 3 point threat and a 1st rounder and got rid of an aging star who when on the court is dominant but has isn't always available. Brunson probably upset that 1 of his Villanova guys is gone, btu he will get over it.



KAT is 28, he is in his prime. Wouldn't call him aging at all actually. By the way, Julius Randle is actually older than KAT.
About the Villanova connection, well they got a new one in Bridges and lost DD which is obviously the worse player of those to. So the "swap" Villanova wise was still ok for JB I suppose.  Grin

The draft pick has a lot of value I think since it's a Detroit one, unfortunately it's top 13 protected though. I don't see Detroit getting over the hump anytime soon.  Roll Eyes

I think KAT was clearly the best player in this trade and I think it is the biggest deal of the offseason so far. All the analysts are saying the same thing about the motivation behind this deal. Minnesota didn’t have the money to pay out Ant and KAT over the coming years so they took an opportunity to try and get better for the short term and the long term by building some more toughness. We’ll see how it turns out. This will be one of the more interesting things to watch this year.
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September 29, 2024, 12:28:18 AM
Timberwolves got the better end of this trade IMO, picked up an aging star along with a 3 point threat and a 1st rounder and got rid of an aging star who when on the court is dominant but has isn't always available. Brunson probably upset that 1 of his Villanova guys is gone, btu he will get over it.



KAT is 28, he is in his prime. Wouldn't call him aging at all actually. By the way, Julius Randle is actually older than KAT.
About the Villanova connection, well they got a new one in Bridges and lost DD which is obviously the worse player of those to. So the "swap" Villanova wise was still ok for JB I suppose.  Grin

The draft pick has a lot of value I think since it's a Detroit one, unfortunately it's top 13 protected though. I don't see Detroit getting over the hump anytime soon.  Roll Eyes

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September 29, 2024, 12:12:20 AM
He has knee injuries too often, and this is not good for such a player. It seems to me that he will not be able to recover quickly. After all, this is a place that requires constant rest in case of injury. And when to rest if you need to be in the game and show results? Well, not the best story. If you do not pay attention to this problem in time, you can fly out of big-time sports once and for all.
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September 28, 2024, 04:39:31 PM
This all depends on Rnalde staying healthy though, if he gets injured again, then I do not think that recovery will be that easy, plus he needs to adjust to Wolves, so he can't afford to miss that many games this season, he needs to play so that he can get used to until the playoffs.
That's the same as keeping KAT for them, they've got issues about being healthy but it's like that they've taken more in the roster with Randle and DiVicenzo.

As per my opinion both KAT and Randle already on their past primes, and both already have another stars who's carrying their teams, AE is now the main man of Timverwolves while New york already got Brunson, these trades will give both stars new chance to help their respective teams, I guess both franchise knew what they are doing for the business, let just wait and see if who's going to maximize the trade and will show much better perfomrmances.
And the same as when Brunson was transferred from Mavs to Knicks, let's see how these transfers will do good for their careers.
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September 28, 2024, 03:58:43 PM

I actually like the deal for the Knicks. Towns give them some size and also decent 3 point shooting.
Dante is a solid player as well for the Wolfes and tbh I am not a fan of Julius Randle so NY did a good thing moving on from him. He gets injured all the time and his head often seems to be somewhere else. KAT though also has some issues of course, sometimes it feels like he doesn't take things too serious.

But anyway, this deal can benefit both teams, also financially.
I really love those trades that totally come out of nowhere, hopefully we will see some more before the season starts, even though I somehow doubt it.
The Knicks are in need of a big because they can't rely on an injury-prone Mitchell Robinson to defend the paint and it's reported that DiVincenzo doesn't want to have a reduced role on the team hence, he got included in the trade.

If I choose on who's the winner on this trade, I will say the Knicks just because they need a big more than a shooter like Randle and DiVincenzo. Speaking of shooting, we know that Randle averages around 15 shots per game when he's on NYK which is pretty high knowing that he isn't a shooting guard. Now that he's on a team where he isn't the main guy, will he make an adjustment and shoot less so that Edwards will not be affected? Or he will stay the same that will make a high number of shots every single game which might affect the team depending on how good he is on that night.

Like you, I also love these out-of-nowhere trades, and who knows, we might see more in the upcoming days before the regular season starts. It's hard to see which is the winner right now, so let's just see how these 2 teams play on the regular season now that they have a big roster change. Smiley Anyway, KAT and Coach Thibs are on the same team again. Cheesy
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September 28, 2024, 03:54:41 PM
I am not sure if this was a contract thing, like when does contracts end in all these players, maybe Randle has a shorter one. Wolves tried out the big two towers thingy, where they have Gobert and KAT together, and obviously they decided that it doesn't work, and Randle would definitely fit perfectly along with Gobert, he is not short and he can defend but he can be perimeter defender too and he can play from outside on offense too, very good deal.

This all depends on Rnalde staying healthy though, if he gets injured again, then I do not think that recovery will be that easy, plus he needs to adjust to Wolves, so he can't afford to miss that many games this season, he needs to play so that he can get used to until the playoffs.

Wolves showed us this playoff run that the yare better than what people expect them to be, OKC for example finished at the top and still failed at playoffs, but Wolves ended up playing so well at the playoffs and beat most teams, so I think it is clear that this change was a hard one. You do not change something that works, and it worked for them, so changing this makes it harder for Wolves to repeat, or if it all works like intended then they may do even better.
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September 28, 2024, 01:28:17 PM
Timberwolves got the better end of this trade IMO, picked up an aging star along with a 3 point threat and a 1st rounder and got rid of an aging star who when on the court is dominant but has isn't always available. Brunson probably upset that 1 of his Villanova guys is gone, btu he will get over it.

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September 28, 2024, 10:50:31 AM
A massive trade which popped right out of nowhere have been reportedly completed with the New York Knicks acquiring Karl-Anthony Towns from Timberwolves for Julius Randle, Donte DiVincenzo and a first round pick (protected) via Detroit. As reported by Shams Charania on X

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1839851169968984211

This is my opinion is quite a disruption deal for both franchise, while I'm really curious to see how it will all play out, I'm currently convinced that it's more of win for the Wolves than for Knicks, I could be wrong, though.

Agreed, KAT is very inconsistent and injury prone while Knicks player that they give up is reliable and versatile. I wonder how Knicks will utilize this trade by giving up a lot of key player that was supposed vital to build a solid team for them.

If you say that KAT is injury prone then why they take that risk to get him? Same with the Wolves as well, Randle is coming off from a injury and we don't know the extend of it. If by unfortunate chance, he got injured again, it could be another season ending and obviously, they will lose the capacity of that big men.



He is literally injured every year. With this big man size and the way he play makes him injury prone that’s why his game play sometimes so play safe because he doesn’t want to have a hard contact frequently or else he will be out again.

Wolves allow this trade since they knew that KAT still has some premium because of his dominating game when he is on it. They already have Gobert as big man while the addition will be very good to help ANT have some space which KAT can’t provide consistently.

You can check KAT injury history here: https://www.foxsports.com/nba/karl-anthony-towns-player-injuries

As per my opinion both KAT and Randle already on their past primes, and both already have another stars who's carrying their teams, AE is now the main man of Timverwolves while New york already got Brunson, these trades will give both stars new chance to help their respective teams, I guess both franchise knew what they are doing for the business, let just wait and see if who's going to maximize the trade and will show much better perfomrmances.
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September 28, 2024, 10:27:46 AM
A massive trade which popped right out of nowhere have been reportedly completed with the New York Knicks acquiring Karl-Anthony Towns from Timberwolves for Julius Randle, Donte DiVincenzo and a first round pick (protected) via Detroit. As reported by Shams Charania on X

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1839851169968984211

This is my opinion is quite a disruption deal for both franchise, while I'm really curious to see how it will all play out, I'm currently convinced that it's more of win for the Wolves than for Knicks, I could be wrong, though.

Agreed, KAT is very inconsistent and injury prone while Knicks player that they give up is reliable and versatile. I wonder how Knicks will utilize this trade by giving up a lot of key player that was supposed vital to build a solid team for them.

If you say that KAT is injury prone then why they take that risk to get him? Same with the Wolves as well, Randle is coming off from a injury and we don't know the extend of it. If by unfortunate chance, he got injured again, it could be another season ending and obviously, they will lose the capacity of that big men.



He is literally injured every year. With this big man size and the way he play makes him injury prone that’s why his game play sometimes so play safe because he doesn’t want to have a hard contact frequently or else he will be out again.

Wolves allow this trade since they knew that KAT still has some premium because of his dominating game when he is on it. They already have Gobert as big man while the addition will be very good to help ANT have some space which KAT can’t provide consistently.

You can check KAT injury history here: https://www.foxsports.com/nba/karl-anthony-towns-player-injuries

Yeah KAT has his history of getting injured and since he started his nba career early in age 28 is pretty "old".  Knicks locked in on him for 4 years.  Leon rose was his agent before he came to the Knicks as the GM.  I'm sure between that and playing for thibs already was a key factor in all of this.  Can't figure out if this is a good deal or bad.  I guess Knicks running with OG at the 4 at this point.  Leaves a huge hole if OG gets injured too.  Wish the Knicks just stayed pat would have been fine with the squad adding mikal amd run with that. Will never see the nova Knicks on the court all at once.
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September 28, 2024, 09:47:48 AM
A massive trade which popped right out of nowhere have been reportedly completed with the New York Knicks acquiring Karl-Anthony Towns from Timberwolves for Julius Randle, Donte DiVincenzo and a first round pick (protected) via Detroit. As reported by Shams Charania on X

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1839851169968984211

This is my opinion is quite a disruption deal for both franchise, while I'm really curious to see how it will all play out, I'm currently convinced that it's more of win for the Wolves than for Knicks, I could be wrong, though.

Agreed, KAT is very inconsistent and injury prone while Knicks player that they give up is reliable and versatile. I wonder how Knicks will utilize this trade by giving up a lot of key player that was supposed vital to build a solid team for them.

If you say that KAT is injury prone then why they take that risk to get him? Same with the Wolves as well, Randle is coming off from a injury and we don't know the extend of it. If by unfortunate chance, he got injured again, it could be another season ending and obviously, they will lose the capacity of that big men.



He is literally injured every year. With this big man size and the way he play makes him injury prone that’s why his game play sometimes so play safe because he doesn’t want to have a hard contact frequently or else he will be out again.

Wolves allow this trade since they knew that KAT still has some premium because of his dominating game when he is on it. They already have Gobert as big man while the addition will be very good to help ANT have some space which KAT can’t provide consistently.

You can check KAT injury history here: https://www.foxsports.com/nba/karl-anthony-towns-player-injuries
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September 28, 2024, 09:25:12 AM
Karl Anthony Towns is a great player. I’m actually a little surprised they would let him go and not Rudy Gobert, but I think Anthony Edwards wanted to be the number 1 option on the Timberwolves.
Maybe Gobert is next until then find another big man. But for them, I guess they'd take and keep the DPOY than KAT. Looks that the Timberwolves are changing the circles of Edwards for his development. Anderson, KAT and maybe we'd see more trades but they'll keep ANT as their franchise player.

I’m not sure how Randle will fit in on Minnesota, so to me that is the big question mark with this trade. I’m expecting Ant to have a breakout year statistically though.
Randle is a choker for crucial games but as everyone is saying maybe it will change and both are winners to their own perspective by doing this trade. It's funny that these teams are announcing the trades first with the media before they announce it to the players being traded. KATs comment was "stunned".

LOL

He has played a handful of games ypu can't say he is a choker based on a small sample set.  Dude is a bully and one of the most underappreciated 4 in the game.  Throws up 25/10/5 in his sleep.  As a knicks fan I don't like the trade.  I know they needed a 5 but I like a good traditional 5 one that doesn't sit outside the 3 point line.  He does fill a gap that Robinson filled with him being out to start the year.  Hope KAT can stay on the court.
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September 28, 2024, 05:01:25 AM
I don't know what the Minnesota Timberwolves were thinking when they made that move. Yeah, the KAT trade.
https://www.nba.com/news/karl-anthony-towns-trade-knicks-timberwolves
Reports: Knicks acquiring Karl-Anthony Towns in 3-team deal
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Per Shams Charania and Jon Krawczynski of The Athletic, New York is adding All-Star big man Karl-Anthony Towns, sending back All-Star forward Julius Randle to the Timberwolves, along with guard Donte DiVincenzo and a protected first-round pick (via Detroit).

KAT may have made some mistakes in the Western Conference Finals but he did come back strong in Game 4. He just needed that experience and I bet he is somewhat confused because he had never been there. They just wasted a now experienced KAT although I would not say they acquired bad players.

I think there could be some noises inside the Wolves dugout, and I surmise that they might have felt that KAT didn't give his everything at their playoff and blame him. That usually happens in a team, I have hinted that it could be some player as well, but who knows.

Also, what is the Knicks thinking about wasting away Donte DiVincenzo? Dude is a hero in the playoffs stepping up his game and the chemistry with Brunson and Hart was so strong that they can defeat teams even without OG and Randle when they are injured. What both teams did was so surprising and I think they are taking a big risk here. I hope it works out for them.

Yeah, I see some highlights of Donte during his stint with the Knicks and that killer 3's. For sure they could have other players to step in for him and they are filled with shooting guards. But we can't take that away from him, on what he did in the Knicks and fans surely love him for that. As for Randle, I might have been a few who thinks that he is going to be traded as we have seen Jalen Brunson's performance. And the management thinks that he is no longer needed.
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