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June 30, 2023, 02:20:34 AM
Maybe seeing Paul and Steph starting at the same time.
There is a possibility that this approach would help Curry conserve his energy, as they would already have a facilitator, while he and Thompson focus on finding open shots. It would result in a smaller lineup, but adjustments can always be made.

It's quite evident already that the Golden State Warriors aren't looking to change their line-up to keep up with the giant players nowadays that can literally protect the rim and paint, instead, they are giving more focus in what they have and the strengths where they are famous for, small ball.

Now that CP3 is on the Warriors, I think so too that he will be in the starting line-up but that won't be long as they cannot afford to lose CP3 via injury and will just let him rest in-between or where the Warriors needed him the most.

Yeah, this is also what I'm seeing Kerr doing in the next season, they are going small and obviously giving up height against team that has great center. But they still have Green and Kevon Looney.

And they are used to small ball, there are games that you won't see Looney down the stretch, it was Draymond who play center position. And then we have Klay and Steph and then Poole for them. So same lineup, except that CP3 will be their point guard and then Steph focusing on his shooting as well as Klay. So nothing has chance in their style of play despite losing Poole.
They have been successful using a small ball lineup, but they need to ensure that Curry and Thompson are consistently performing well in every game. Their previous issue was poor shooting and being outrebounded simultaneously, which could prove detrimental if it happens again. While they may sacrifice rebounding to some extent, they must prioritize shooting accuracy, particularly in three-pointers.

That's the recipe.

Stephen Curry though was still playing as usual last season but Klay Thompson, he was the one who had some hardships and keep up with the supposed to be Splash Brothers. Anyway, it seems that Steve Kerr still has some faith in him left and will give him a last chance that's why there are no trade rumors involving him but if KT will not improve next season and bounce back, then I think we know what will happen next as I think that the 23-24 season is the last season on his contract.
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June 30, 2023, 02:16:11 AM
I thought they were getting him as a backup so I’m surprised that they’re planning to have him alongside Steph and Klay. That’s a pretty small and not very athletic 3 players. Not to mention Green is undersized and aging. I’m not sure what kind of basketball they’ll be playing, but they won’t be getting very many rebounds while doing it.

Chris Paul is too expensive an asset to be just a bench player. So if these three guys really play together in the starting lineup, Coach Kerr will probably use a "run-and-gun" strategy. It means that the Warriors will probably be too good on offense and too bad on defense at the same time.
Either way, it should be interesting to watch the Warriors' performance next season.

I agree, I don't think that they got Paul and willing to get let of Jordan Poole just for him to be coming off the bench. He will have to score, orchestrate their offense behind him that's why there are a big speculation that he will play along side Curry and Klay Thompson.

The best thing that the opponent can do to exploit his lack of defense is to penetrate and take advantage of Paul's slowness, but then again if they go in the middle they are going to be met by either Draymond or Looney.

Did Green already have his demand and play with the Warriors again? I just want to know because the last time I've read about his status, he's still in the free agency. Although I'm still positive that he will be back with the Warriors sometime during the summer as the Warriors will definitely need his IQ especially in the defense plus they now have CP3 that will help them have a window. And of course, there's Looney who has been playing much impressive last season.
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June 30, 2023, 12:35:20 AM
It's been a few days since I've been analyzing the negotiations/trades that are happening with several NBA teams, especially the last draft.

Wemby is one of the most commented and discussed player nowdays.
I even believe there is a hype.

I clearly remember the Holmgren's injury at the beginning of the last season

Chet Holmgren and Victor Wembanyama are similar players, they are tall, they have good ball handling, they can shoot, they are fast players and they are also skinny and maybe even fragile compared to other NBA players.

Something that worries me is Wemby's body.
Guys, do you believe, Wemby could get injured soon because of his skinny body size?
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June 29, 2023, 09:21:31 PM
Interesting reports today saying that despite attempts there is apparently no market for James Harden and Kyrie Irving. Kyrie is seemingly still worthy of his contract, but only if he actually plays, which he spends more time destroying his own team in the locker room than other teams on the court. Harden I assume is just making too much money for the drop off he’s seeing at his age. Still, interesting.
What? I think they are still a decent players but with their performances really dropping and being like a butterfly in the league it's really not going well for both of them. I still think that there are teams that may get them or how about they pair one of them with Wemby, it may sound a bad trade but it's likely worth it imo.

They are great but I don't think teams are willing to sacrifice themselves just to get either of the two, specially Kyrie, with so many drama and diva attitude. For sure majority doesn't like Harden at Spurs, specially that they have a young player coming in with a lot of hype in Wemby.

So maybe the teams are smart enough, just like what happen to the Nets, which they traded a lot of their future picks and yet the two or even the three of them, Durant, Kyrie and Harden are already out and didn't bring the team to where it was touted to be.
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June 29, 2023, 09:10:22 PM
Interesting reports today saying that despite attempts there is apparently no market for James Harden and Kyrie Irving. Kyrie is seemingly still worthy of his contract, but only if he actually plays, which he spends more time destroying his own team in the locker room than other teams on the court. Harden I assume is just making too much money for the drop off he’s seeing at his age. Still, interesting.
What? I think they are still a decent players but with their performances really dropping and being like a butterfly in the league it's really not going well for both of them. I still think that there are teams that may get them or how about they pair one of them with Wemby, it may sound a bad trade but it's likely worth it imo.

The last thing the Spurs need is someone like Harden or even worse kyrie to stunt the young fella.  Obviously the team is going to wrap their future around wemby and you don't want an alpha veteran to push him down to not shine brighter then one of them.  I'm a firm believer in veterans and their value but you need a second fiddle type veteran for someone like wemby.  Honestly I hope Spurs take on evan Fournier's contract from the Knicks 😀
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June 29, 2023, 06:26:00 PM
Regardless of what would be the projected lineup for the Warriors, small ball or anything, with Chris Paul included, we can always expect that he can bring an improvement to those players surrounding him. He's one of the players in the league that has never been seen struggling in forming good chemistry with his teammates.
This is 100 percent true.

Remember in Clippers when he blends well with DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin? He turned these two into All-Star level with his good playmaking skills plus amazing dish. Going to the Rockets, he also blends well with James Harden and was a good help for the latter getting the Season MVP award that year. Going to Thunder, he helps those young guys there improve their gameplay and later the next season, there are notable Thunder youngsters that are creating a buzz. And last season with the Phoenix Suns, he's no doubt one of the reasons why Devin Booker and DeAndre Ayton also improves as well.
Although the Suns, Rockets and Clippers was his farthest achievement, I think it was proven more when he went to the Thunder. Playing with unknown players, I only know Steven Adams on that roster until CP3 came and all the youngsters made a name for themselves because of the chemistry that he input for the team. I mean, that's not even a playoff caliber and yet they still reached that goal.

Chris Paul knows how to utilize the players surrounding him, either key players or role players, and make them fully functional on the court in both the offensive and defensive phases. Who knows he will be an effective tool for the Warriors backup squad to always step up. Let's see then if Chris Paul can still have that notable contribution he did to his previous teams coming to the Warriors this season.
Just give CP3 the minutes being given to Jordan Poole and they will be fine. 20-25 of game time should suffice while Curry or resting or they could play with each other too if ever it works out.
The Warriors badly need this because Curry cannot be a point guard that makes the play, he is always doubled which gives him a hard time seeing his teammates when they are open. At least now the pressure will be spread throughout many players and CP3 cannot be left open or they will pay the price.
Let's just say it is an upgraded Jordan Poole, 5 times better in ball handling, shooting, and playmaking.
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June 29, 2023, 05:58:09 PM
So same lineup, except that CP3 will be their point guard and then Steph focusing on his shooting as well as Klay. So nothing has chance in their style of play despite losing Poole.

Regardless of what would be the projected lineup for the Warriors, small ball or anything, with Chris Paul included, we can always expect that he can bring an improvement to those players surrounding him. He's one of the players in the league that has never been seen struggling in forming good chemistry with his teammates.

Remember in Clippers when he blends well with DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin? He turned these two into All-Star level with his good playmaking skills plus amazing dish. Going to the Rockets, he also blends well with James Harden and was a good help for the latter getting the Season MVP award that year. Going to Thunder, he helps those young guys there improve their gameplay and later the next season, there are notable Thunder youngsters that are creating a buzz. And last season with the Phoenix Suns, he's no doubt one of the reasons why Devin Booker and DeAndre Ayton also improves as well.

Chris Paul knows how to utilize the players surrounding him, either key players or role players, and make them fully functional on the court in both the offensive and defensive phases. Who knows he will be an effective tool for the Warriors backup squad to always step up. Let's see then if Chris Paul can still have that notable contribution he did to his previous teams coming to the Warriors this season.
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June 29, 2023, 05:03:48 PM
Interesting reports today saying that despite attempts there is apparently no market for James Harden and Kyrie Irving. Kyrie is seemingly still worthy of his contract, but only if he actually plays, which he spends more time destroying his own team in the locker room than other teams on the court. Harden I assume is just making too much money for the drop off he’s seeing at his age. Still, interesting.
What? I think they are still a decent players but with their performances really dropping and being like a butterfly in the league it's really not going well for both of them. I still think that there are teams that may get them or how about they pair one of them with Wemby, it may sound a bad trade but it's likely worth it imo.

Harden opted into his player option for this year. Obviously he had too as he won’t get anywhere near that salary otherwise. They’re going to try and work a sign and trade to find him a long term home but honestly any team that bites is shooting themselves in the foot.

As for Kyrie… He’s trying to get to the Suns now. As good as he is, I think the Suns are better off without him. Although I think Ayton would be better off in Dallas.
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June 29, 2023, 04:58:08 PM
Interesting reports today saying that despite attempts there is apparently no market for James Harden and Kyrie Irving. Kyrie is seemingly still worthy of his contract, but only if he actually plays, which he spends more time destroying his own team in the locker room than other teams on the court. Harden I assume is just making too much money for the drop off he’s seeing at his age. Still, interesting.
What? I think they are still a decent players but with their performances really dropping and being like a butterfly in the league it's really not going well for both of them. I still think that there are teams that may get them or how about they pair one of them with Wemby, it may sound a bad trade but it's likely worth it imo.
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June 29, 2023, 04:52:10 PM
Now that CP3 is on the Warriors, I think so too that he will be in the starting line-up but that won't be long as they cannot afford to lose CP3 via injury and will just let him rest in-between or where the Warriors needed him the most.
He'll surely be in the starting line up, the Warriors won't spend millions on him on this trade if he won't be on the starting five. We'll get to see those days if it happens as he's an injury prone player.

But at least on this matter, GSW got someone who would take care of the job and will have the assist for open shots for Klay and Steph.

He's the one to take care of it.
I thought they were getting him as a backup so I’m surprised that they’re planning to have him alongside Steph and Klay. That’s a pretty small and not very athletic 3 players. Not to mention Green is undersized and aging. I’m not sure what kind of basketball they’ll be playing, but they won’t be getting very many rebounds while doing it.
They have already won enough titles, so maybe they are trying to see something different with the age. Curry and Klay are not young neither, they can't play that fast pace shoot the ball as soon as possible basketball anymore, that small ball line up thing is getting older, if they were maybe like 5 years younger then it would have worked better but they are getting older as well.

People see Lebron and think he is old and do not remember that Curry is 35 years old as well, that's very old in basketball terms most of the time, sure some players play as old as 40 years old, but that doesn't make 35 a young age, and he will be 36 before playoffs starts as well. That's quite an old age and none of the players they have is young anymore. So maybe they are looking for a new system with old players, something more calm and slow.

Yeah that's true about Curry, I completely forgot he was that old already.  I still remember seeing him all over the news for taking Davidson so far like he did in the NCAA basketball tournament/march madness years back..it actually makes me sad to think about because it feels like that was just yesterday lol

I can't stand the guy personally, all that mouth piece chewing, but one hell of a shooter. Best ever..but yeah he can do the run and gun like he used to.
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June 29, 2023, 03:50:23 PM
Now that CP3 is on the Warriors, I think so too that he will be in the starting line-up but that won't be long as they cannot afford to lose CP3 via injury and will just let him rest in-between or where the Warriors needed him the most.
He'll surely be in the starting line up, the Warriors won't spend millions on him on this trade if he won't be on the starting five. We'll get to see those days if it happens as he's an injury prone player.

But at least on this matter, GSW got someone who would take care of the job and will have the assist for open shots for Klay and Steph.

He's the one to take care of it.
I thought they were getting him as a backup so I’m surprised that they’re planning to have him alongside Steph and Klay. That’s a pretty small and not very athletic 3 players. Not to mention Green is undersized and aging. I’m not sure what kind of basketball they’ll be playing, but they won’t be getting very many rebounds while doing it.
They have already won enough titles, so maybe they are trying to see something different with the age. Curry and Klay are not young neither, they can't play that fast pace shoot the ball as soon as possible basketball anymore, that small ball line up thing is getting older, if they were maybe like 5 years younger then it would have worked better but they are getting older as well.

Nah, that surely won't work we've seen enough against the Lakers and the small ball fast paced games did not work and they were foul troubled as nobody can stop AD inside the paint. Any team with legitimate center against a small ball GSW would always have a good chance of winning.
I'm not sure if Steve Kerr really said it before but I think he said that "their good offense is their defense" when the GSW had a good offensive fire power, but I don't think it'll work again.
If they want to become relevant again, they should sign a legit center and good defender.
All I can see now is the Nuggets repeating. Not unless if there are some huge changes in any of the teams.
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June 29, 2023, 01:25:24 PM
Now that CP3 is on the Warriors, I think so too that he will be in the starting line-up but that won't be long as they cannot afford to lose CP3 via injury and will just let him rest in-between or where the Warriors needed him the most.
He'll surely be in the starting line up, the Warriors won't spend millions on him on this trade if he won't be on the starting five. We'll get to see those days if it happens as he's an injury prone player.

But at least on this matter, GSW got someone who would take care of the job and will have the assist for open shots for Klay and Steph.

He's the one to take care of it.
I thought they were getting him as a backup so I’m surprised that they’re planning to have him alongside Steph and Klay. That’s a pretty small and not very athletic 3 players. Not to mention Green is undersized and aging. I’m not sure what kind of basketball they’ll be playing, but they won’t be getting very many rebounds while doing it.
They have already won enough titles, so maybe they are trying to see something different with the age. Curry and Klay are not young neither, they can't play that fast pace shoot the ball as soon as possible basketball anymore, that small ball line up thing is getting older, if they were maybe like 5 years younger then it would have worked better but they are getting older as well.

People see Lebron and think he is old and do not remember that Curry is 35 years old as well, that's very old in basketball terms most of the time, sure some players play as old as 40 years old, but that doesn't make 35 a young age, and he will be 36 before playoffs starts as well. That's quite an old age and none of the players they have is young anymore. So maybe they are looking for a new system with old players, something more calm and slow.
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June 29, 2023, 12:40:53 PM
Maybe seeing Paul and Steph starting at the same time.
There is a possibility that this approach would help Curry conserve his energy, as they would already have a facilitator, while he and Thompson focus on finding open shots. It would result in a smaller lineup, but adjustments can always be made.

It's quite evident already that the Golden State Warriors aren't looking to change their line-up to keep up with the giant players nowadays that can literally protect the rim and paint, instead, they are giving more focus in what they have and the strengths where they are famous for, small ball.

Now that CP3 is on the Warriors, I think so too that he will be in the starting line-up but that won't be long as they cannot afford to lose CP3 via injury and will just let him rest in-between or where the Warriors needed him the most.

Yeah, this is also what I'm seeing Kerr doing in the next season, they are going small and obviously giving up height against team that has great center. But they still have Green and Kevon Looney.

And they are used to small ball, there are games that you won't see Looney down the stretch, it was Draymond who play center position. And then we have Klay and Steph and then Poole for them. So same lineup, except that CP3 will be their point guard and then Steph focusing on his shooting as well as Klay. So nothing has chance in their style of play despite losing Poole.

And I hope that aside from Steph and Klay playing healthy Wiggins will also be a good part of their campaign, with that last title
that they've got, Wiggins provides them both offense and defense.

With a smaller lineup, they can still work it up if the shooting percentages are higher, and we know that if Warriors are starting to heat up
it would be tough beating them in that kind of game.

With CP3 adding to that system, we might see more good looks for all players who's inside the court.
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June 29, 2023, 12:24:24 PM
Interesting reports today saying that despite attempts there is apparently no market for James Harden and Kyrie Irving. Kyrie is seemingly still worthy of his contract, but only if he actually plays, which he spends more time destroying his own team in the locker room than other teams on the court. Harden I assume is just making too much money for the drop off he’s seeing at his age. Still, interesting.
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June 29, 2023, 07:59:12 AM
Maybe seeing Paul and Steph starting at the same time.
There is a possibility that this approach would help Curry conserve his energy, as they would already have a facilitator, while he and Thompson focus on finding open shots. It would result in a smaller lineup, but adjustments can always be made.

It's quite evident already that the Golden State Warriors aren't looking to change their line-up to keep up with the giant players nowadays that can literally protect the rim and paint, instead, they are giving more focus in what they have and the strengths where they are famous for, small ball.

Now that CP3 is on the Warriors, I think so too that he will be in the starting line-up but that won't be long as they cannot afford to lose CP3 via injury and will just let him rest in-between or where the Warriors needed him the most.

Yeah, this is also what I'm seeing Kerr doing in the next season, they are going small and obviously giving up height against team that has great center. But they still have Green and Kevon Looney.

And they are used to small ball, there are games that you won't see Looney down the stretch, it was Draymond who play center position. And then we have Klay and Steph and then Poole for them. So same lineup, except that CP3 will be their point guard and then Steph focusing on his shooting as well as Klay. So nothing has chance in their style of play despite losing Poole.
They have been successful using a small ball lineup, but they need to ensure that Curry and Thompson are consistently performing well in every game. Their previous issue was poor shooting and being outrebounded simultaneously, which could prove detrimental if it happens again. While they may sacrifice rebounding to some extent, they must prioritize shooting accuracy, particularly in three-pointers.

That's the recipe.
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June 29, 2023, 07:44:11 AM
Maybe seeing Paul and Steph starting at the same time.
There is a possibility that this approach would help Curry conserve his energy, as they would already have a facilitator, while he and Thompson focus on finding open shots. It would result in a smaller lineup, but adjustments can always be made.

It's quite evident already that the Golden State Warriors aren't looking to change their line-up to keep up with the giant players nowadays that can literally protect the rim and paint, instead, they are giving more focus in what they have and the strengths where they are famous for, small ball.

Now that CP3 is on the Warriors, I think so too that he will be in the starting line-up but that won't be long as they cannot afford to lose CP3 via injury and will just let him rest in-between or where the Warriors needed him the most.

Yeah, this is also what I'm seeing Kerr doing in the next season, they are going small and obviously giving up height against team that has great center. But they still have Green and Kevon Looney.

And they are used to small ball, there are games that you won't see Looney down the stretch, it was Draymond who play center position. And then we have Klay and Steph and then Poole for them. So same lineup, except that CP3 will be their point guard and then Steph focusing on his shooting as well as Klay. So nothing has chance in their style of play despite losing Poole.
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June 29, 2023, 07:40:45 AM
I thought they were getting him as a backup so I’m surprised that they’re planning to have him alongside Steph and Klay. That’s a pretty small and not very athletic 3 players. Not to mention Green is undersized and aging. I’m not sure what kind of basketball they’ll be playing, but they won’t be getting very many rebounds while doing it.

Chris Paul is too expensive an asset to be just a bench player. So if these three guys really play together in the starting lineup, Coach Kerr will probably use a "run-and-gun" strategy. It means that the Warriors will probably be too good on offense and too bad on defense at the same time.
Either way, it should be interesting to watch the Warriors' performance next season.

I agree, I don't think that they got Paul and willing to get let of Jordan Poole just for him to be coming off the bench. He will have to score, orchestrate their offense behind him that's why there are a big speculation that he will play along side Curry and Klay Thompson.

The best thing that the opponent can do to exploit his lack of defense is to penetrate and take advantage of Paul's slowness, but then again if they go in the middle they are going to be met by either Draymond or Looney.
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June 29, 2023, 07:22:03 AM
Maybe seeing Paul and Steph starting at the same time.
There is a possibility that this approach would help Curry conserve his energy, as they would already have a facilitator, while he and Thompson focus on finding open shots. It would result in a smaller lineup, but adjustments can always be made.

A very big adjustment here, in my opinion,

with how the Nuggets use that advantage against the Heat during the finals, we might see them duplicating
the same system, though I agree that CP3 will be a big help in terms of giving Curry and Thompson a good
breathing in, finding their spot to take much clear and open shots. He can provide space as he can also shoot
with a good percentage.

He won't be called as the Point-God if he himself cannot do the shots whenever the players that he is facilitating doesn't have any window but his shooting expertise comes 2nd as he is more useful in setting up the table for the team and for the Splash Brothers to do their thing with less hassle. And now that he's becoming more and more prone to injury, just like what others are saying, I guess the Warriors will just use him during the most important minutes of the game.

They need point guard that can set some plays to them while Curry is out of the game so I can still say that Paul's addition in the roster still fine in Warriors. They still have money to use to add a big man on their team so I guess they really plan this that's why they trade Poole just to reduce their cap space and get the players they want to add in their rotation plus to retain Green in the roster.

A good point guard who will facilitate the ball and allow the splash bros to take easier shots.

In terms of letting go Poole, I see the same they are reducing cap to acquire big role players to help them in terms of
playing defense, we don't know yet if the move of acquiring CP3 will help them or not, everything will be witness once they
already playing together.
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June 29, 2023, 07:03:16 AM
I thought they were getting him as a backup so I’m surprised that they’re planning to have him alongside Steph and Klay. That’s a pretty small and not very athletic 3 players. Not to mention Green is undersized and aging. I’m not sure what kind of basketball they’ll be playing, but they won’t be getting very many rebounds while doing it.

Chris Paul is too expensive an asset to be just a bench player. So if these three guys really play together in the starting lineup, Coach Kerr will probably use a "run-and-gun" strategy. It means that the Warriors will probably be too good on offense and too bad on defense at the same time.
Either way, it should be interesting to watch the Warriors' performance next season.
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June 29, 2023, 06:45:40 AM
I was seeing the pictures on Twitter of people showing the Warriors’ starting five next year. I was surprised to see that the expectation is for both Chris Paul and Stephen Curry to start. I’m not sure that’ll be what happens. They’re both pretty weak defensive guards. I can’t imagine they’d both be playing lots of minutes together. Seems like a liability.
Yeah, that won't happen. CP3 will be the backup point guard, probably. Or they might play together but not for long minutes. They could try it out this season or preseason but if they keep on losing they must change it as fast as they can.

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“If you think about the Lakers series and maybe the last game of the Sacramento series, we pretty much ran high pick-and-roll a hundred times, over and over and over again,” Kerr said. “Steph is obviously lethal with that. But it also limits what you’re capable of in terms of generating offense elsewhere and it puts a lot of stress on Steph’s shoulders. We’re obviously going to be more capable of running that style if we want. But also of getting Steph off the ball. One of the most powerful forces we’ve had on this team is Steph’s versatility playing on or off the ball.”
-Steve Kerr
https://www.si.com/nba/warriors/news/steve-kerr-explains-how-chris-paul-will-help-warriors

What he said is true. They lack the option and Steph was always double-teamed. It's time to make a change but I doubt Chris Paul could make that difference all of a sudden. What other option I can see is using him to penetrate the paint and maybe space the floor for the center. His lethal mid-range shooting will be a key factor for them to win games. I am pretty sure though that CP3's points per game will suddenly increase if every defender will be busy looking for Steph.
Klay Thompson had not been effective last season and his shooting seems to be gone. Perhaps the shooting capability of CP3 could patch that hole or it could give more space for Klay to take a freebie.
It could actually work, but it will take them time to adapt to their new style. Lesser high pick and roll, let CP3 run a play that would maximize the other players' usage.
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