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January 31, 2023, 03:13:59 AM
Dončić almost played alone and made 53 points. This is the fourth time he scored 50+ this season. He's an incredible player. Mavericks beat the worst team in the NBA and he had to play for 36 minutes though. Normally Mavs should've won this game with an early lead and he should've sit in the bench for last quarter but they had to make extra effort to win the game. Mavs doesn't look too strong to me, they need to do better to get a good spot in West.
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January 31, 2023, 03:05:30 AM
Later, it's going to be Nets and Lakers without Lebron and AD.

The outcome of this game was quite predictable. The Lakers couldn't do anything without LeBron and Davis, and as a result, they lost to the Nets by 17 points. However, it should be noted that the Lakers played well in the second and third quarters, and it seemed like they could fight for the win at that point. Unfortunately, they ruined the game for themselves with a disgusting fourth-quarter performance.

Yes, and it's obvious that the Nets are going to win by double digits and that's what happened in this game.

Lebron is like averaging 30 ppg, so that is a huge loss for them as he is not playing. And no one was able to cover that scoring from the Lakers, no one even scored 20 points or more from the Lakers, although 6 players scored. Kyrie Irving leads the Nets with 26 points.
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January 31, 2023, 12:33:17 AM
The problem with refs making a mistake like that is the fact that nothing really changes. I have been watching NBA for over 20 years and seen them make a lot of mistakes, either in important situations or even in not so important situations, the time Tim Duncan got ejected for laughing is still in my mind, there was something done about that eventually though.

However, the thing about the current situation is that, if you do not fine the refs and suspend them for a long period of time for making such a game deciding mistake, then what is stopping them from doing it again? Or another one doing it? That is why refs needs to be held accountable a lot more, and we need a lot more refs to replace them if they make a mistake.

I did watch that match, it was obvious in the video that there was a foul in Lebron's shooting, that's why he was losing his temper and was annoyed that the referee didn't call anyone.

I even watched that episode that was against them, and according to the news, the referee admitted that it was not called a foul, it was as if the referee admitted that he meant not to call it because he wanted to lose LA is. what a sad reality you are.
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January 31, 2023, 12:24:12 AM
Later, it's going to be Nets and Lakers without Lebron and AD.

The outcome of this game was quite predictable. The Lakers couldn't do anything without LeBron and Davis, and as a result, they lost to the Nets by 17 points. However, it should be noted that the Lakers played well in the second and third quarters, and it seemed like they could fight for the win at that point. Unfortunately, they ruined the game for themselves with a disgusting fourth-quarter performance.
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January 30, 2023, 11:38:24 PM
Ok thanks for the name, and there are data showing that since 2020, he referee the Boston games 38 times, 36-2 for the Celtics hehehe. So the next time Eric Lewis referee a game and it involves the Celtics, we know where to bet.  Grin
Thanks for the tip, but is there really a way to know who will be officiating the game before hand?
If you are using that kind of belief about a game then yes, there's a way.
https://official.nba.com/referee-assignments/
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For me though, that's kind of absurd to just use the officiating basis as who will the game. Boston Celtics is a strong team and even with other referees, I doubt they will be easy to beat.
But, if they are playing against the Nuggets, 76ers, or Nets with Durant, that's when I tend to bet against them, referees excluded.  Grin

Orlando Magic defeated the Philadelphia 76ers today at their home. Wow! They have Embiid, Harden, Maxey, and Harris, yet the Magic who is standing in the 13th spot of the East defeat the 3rd seed. Truly amazing. I lost my bet here but that was an entertaining performance, 1st half I thought it was going to be a blowout game for the 76ers but it ended differently.
Moritz Wagner. Most of the time it is Franz who offers help in the offensive end but now it is his brother who produced a lot. 22 minutes, 22 points.
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January 30, 2023, 07:36:00 PM
I don't understand why until today, the league is not giving any suspension order on that ref.
Me either, I'm wondering why sanction hasn't been placed on Eric Lewis. Yeah, the referee that everyone wouldn't condone for the decision he made of not giving a call.

I'm starting to think that the management of Celtics is too close or powerful for the NBA management to just disregard of what everyone is talking about against him.

Later, it's going to be Nets and Lakers without Lebron and AD.

Ok thanks for the name, and there are data showing that since 2020, he referee the Boston games 38 times, 36-2 for the Celtics hehehe. So the next time Eric Lewis referee a game and it involves the Celtics, we know where to bet.  Grin

Similar to CP3 and Scott Foster as a referee, 0-14 straight-up in the last 14 playoff games Foster has officiated.

Others say that he is not closed to where the action is so he can't blew the whistle, perhaps not suspended, but referees need to be evaluated from time to time if they made a lousy officiating, just saying.
Yeah, I also saw that data and that's why it seems that he's like the lapdog of the Celtics. Well, if it's not for this incident, no one will dig upon on the data that he's officiated as a referee with Celtics' games.

I agree about that they need to be reevaluated like a performance review but hopefully, that it will be done by an unbias body of the NBA so that there won't be the politics that might affect the review.

But it seems that there's no news like that yet that we've been waiting for, are they going to satisfy us with any action or will just let the issue die in silence?
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January 30, 2023, 06:51:27 PM
The problem with refs making a mistake like that is the fact that nothing really changes. I have been watching NBA for over 20 years and seen them make a lot of mistakes, either in important situations or even in not so important situations, the time Tim Duncan got ejected for laughing is still in my mind, there was something done about that eventually though.

However, the thing about the current situation is that, if you do not fine the refs and suspend them for a long period of time for making such a game deciding mistake, then what is stopping them from doing it again? Or another one doing it? That is why refs needs to be held accountable a lot more, and we need a lot more refs to replace them if they make a mistake.

No way that will ever happen.  They barely make enough money now.  If they male bad calls they get fined from the talent pool of refs will go significantly down.  These people don't live luxurious lifestyles.  It's not done in any major sport.  Only thing you can do is rank them and prioritize giving the playoff games to the good refs and reward them for making it.  So instead of penalizing bad refs, incentive good ones.

This makes sense and a better alternative than just dishing out fines for mistakes. They are just humans, and they will be prone to mistakes, whether it is honest or not. Fining them also prevents future refs to want to work in NBA. But giving incentives to those who does their job well will promote competitiveness.

Ok thanks for the name, and there are data showing that since 2020, he referee the Boston games 38 times, 36-2 for the Celtics hehehe. So the next time Eric Lewis referee a game and it involves the Celtics, we know where to bet.  Grin
Thanks for the tip, but is there really a way to know who will be officiating the game before hand?
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January 30, 2023, 06:43:43 PM
I don't understand why until today, the league is not giving any suspension order on that ref.
Me either, I'm wondering why sanction hasn't been placed on Eric Lewis. Yeah, the referee that everyone wouldn't condone for the decision he made of not giving a call.

I'm starting to think that the management of Celtics is too close or powerful for the NBA management to just disregard of what everyone is talking about against him.

Later, it's going to be Nets and Lakers without Lebron and AD.

Ok thanks for the name, and there are data showing that since 2020, he referee the Boston games 38 times, 36-2 for the Celtics hehehe. So the next time Eric Lewis referee a game and it involves the Celtics, we know where to bet.  Grin

Similar to CP3 and Scott Foster as a referee, 0-14 straight-up in the last 14 playoff games Foster has officiated.

Others say that he is not closed to where the action is so he can't blew the whistle, perhaps not suspended, but referees need to be evaluated from time to time if they made a lousy officiating, just saying.
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January 30, 2023, 06:26:20 PM
I don't understand why until today, the league is not giving any suspension order on that ref.
Me either, I'm wondering why sanction hasn't been placed on Eric Lewis. Yeah, the referee that everyone wouldn't condone for the decision he made of not giving a call.

I'm starting to think that the management of Celtics is too close or powerful for the NBA management to just disregard of what everyone is talking about against him.

Later, it's going to be Nets and Lakers without Lebron and AD.
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January 30, 2023, 05:39:06 PM
The problem with refs making a mistake like that is the fact that nothing really changes. I have been watching NBA for over 20 years and seen them make a lot of mistakes, either in important situations or even in not so important situations, the time Tim Duncan got ejected for laughing is still in my mind, there was something done about that eventually though.

However, the thing about the current situation is that, if you do not fine the refs and suspend them for a long period of time for making such a game deciding mistake, then what is stopping them from doing it again? Or another one doing it? That is why refs needs to be held accountable a lot more, and we need a lot more refs to replace them if they make a mistake.

No way that will ever happen.  They barely make enough money now.  If they male bad calls they get fined from the talent pool of refs will go significantly down.  These people don't live luxurious lifestyles.  It's not done in any major sport.  Only thing you can do is rank them and prioritize giving the playoff games to the good refs and reward them for making it.  So instead of penalizing bad refs, incentive good ones.
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January 30, 2023, 05:38:36 PM
Nba should do an investigation about this and suspend those officials since this is crucial game which need to take their full attention but they neglect and cost huge for a team.

No need for an investigation as it's clear as the sky that something shit happened on the officiating in dying seconds.

Just suspend the involved official and have them fined a decent amount. Although that won't stop the bad officiating, at least we can see that the league is really serious about giving fairness to all parties. There are still lots of good referees out there but they are being generalized because of what happened in that game between the Lakers and Celtics.

I don't understand why until today, the league is not giving any suspension order on that ref.
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January 30, 2023, 04:01:29 PM
The problem with refs making a mistake like that is the fact that nothing really changes. I have been watching NBA for over 20 years and seen them make a lot of mistakes, either in important situations or even in not so important situations, the time Tim Duncan got ejected for laughing is still in my mind, there was something done about that eventually though.

However, the thing about the current situation is that, if you do not fine the refs and suspend them for a long period of time for making such a game deciding mistake, then what is stopping them from doing it again? Or another one doing it? That is why refs needs to be held accountable a lot more, and we need a lot more refs to replace them if they make a mistake.
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January 30, 2023, 03:05:10 PM
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In those crucial moments, they have to review if it's a foul or not, right?
I can understand why the ref didn't blew his whistle at that moment but yes it's like one of the instances where they could have stopped the play and review with the help of instant replay. Even Pat Bev wanted to give the refs a hand by bringing a camera but he got a tech for that instead hehe.
There's really a need for a review of those last seconds of play. In our known league in our country, if it's like the last 2 minutes for the 4th quarter, it's crucial and every possible foul under 2 minutes is gotta be reviewed if the refs are uncertain with their calls or haven't called yet.
Well, there's this bias in Boston and that referee have been helping the team to have favored calls but that's just unprofessional for them because even players know it that there has to be a review.

Unbiased call and there are many questionable calls aside from that last play by LeBron, though that's the game changer in case
the ref does the right thing.
It will continue to circulate and the risk for those officials to lose their jobs is possible, if it's possible for NBA officiating bodies
to conduct deeper investigation regarding to this.
Sorry loss for the Lakers and those who bet for them to win, very crucial with a clear conduct in front of the refs.
If you do some searching on social media, you'll see that the referee is now being bashed even by those bashers of Lebron. What's done is done and results might not change.
But when it's come to the obvious, people really aren't blind at all to justify what has to be done correctly. That's a very clear call that should be decided pretty well but those on duties didn't do their jobs and shown who's their bias despite the situation.
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January 30, 2023, 02:35:02 PM
The issue with that referee is beyond my comprehension. However, that was a truly poor call. Anyhow, I believe penalties are also handed out to referees, likely by their own NBA referees association. Obviously, bad calls have obvious consequences. Punishments maybe less games are officiated by referees with poor reputations. We have never heard of suspensions or even expulsions from the NBA because they are not reported in the media.

I found what happened to be unusual. In the past, I have become accustomed to reading, hearing, and seeing controversial decisions that are always in favor of the Lakers. When it comes to biased refereeing, they have the most memes out of all NBA teams.

The management will certainly do something about it as it has already affected the reputation of the league, they don't want to make people think that the league is rigged, so in order to retain that confidence, they will certainly make a serious penalty to the referees who miss calling a foul on that clear foul.

There are already plenty of speculation in the past that refs are manipulating the game, if you are familiar with Tim Donaghy, you will understand that NBA is not clean.

Yes, Tim was also involved in a controversy before because the FBI found out that he also bet in some NBA games, including those games he officiated, so that’s clearly making the league rigged. However, with this another controversy on hand, which I believed has started to ruin the reputation of NBA as news have spread fast online, then the NBA Management should do some actions that will resolved this scandal and will put this controversy at peace. And might as well penalized the referee that has caused this mess.
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January 30, 2023, 01:25:15 PM
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In those crucial moments, they have to review if it's a foul or not, right?
I can understand why the ref didn't blew his whistle at that moment but yes it's like one of the instances where they could have stopped the play and review with the help of instant replay. Even Pat Bev wanted to give the refs a hand by bringing a camera but he got a tech for that instead hehe.
There's really a need for a review of those last seconds of play. In our known league in our country, if it's like the last 2 minutes for the 4th quarter, it's crucial and every possible foul under 2 minutes is gotta be reviewed if the refs are uncertain with their calls or haven't called yet.
Well, there's this bias in Boston and that referee have been helping the team to have favored calls but that's just unprofessional for them because even players know it that there has to be a review.

Unbiased call and there are many questionable calls aside from that last play by LeBron, though that's the game changer in case
the ref does the right thing.
It will continue to circulate and the risk for those officials to lose their jobs is possible, if it's possible for NBA officiating bodies
to conduct deeper investigation regarding to this.
Sorry loss for the Lakers and those who bet for them to win, very crucial with a clear conduct in front of the refs.
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January 30, 2023, 01:16:53 PM
Despite of the controversial play, I do think Lebron James is still living in his prime as he remains as one of those steadiest players in the basketball game. Though we may see lapses on how he play, and some even hate him for that, but let’s us all think that we won’t live our career all in glory, sometimes even the best players in the century became unable to give their best shots. And as for his eldest son, we all know the Bronny James is set to follow his father’s footprints, that’s why Lebron James is also motivating him for that.
I guess I didn't think like that way.
But analyzing in detail I also believe LeBron James may be in his prime, not as a player, but with the records and accomplishments he is doing in the NBA, ASAP he will break Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's record and become the top scorer of the NBA, soon his son Bronny will join the NBA and for the first time in history, father and son will play together (this is not certain, but I believe LJ and the staff will do everything for Bronny to be drafted to the same team  to play with his dad), another interesting factor is his consistency and his physique, he is almost 40 years old and even so, he is one of the best players in NBA today, this and other examples that can show that LJ is in his prime .

I will be curious about his future in the NBA.
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January 30, 2023, 12:01:37 PM
The issue with that referee is beyond my comprehension. However, that was a truly poor call. Anyhow, I believe penalties are also handed out to referees, likely by their own NBA referees association. Obviously, bad calls have obvious consequences. Punishments maybe less games are officiated by referees with poor reputations. We have never heard of suspensions or even expulsions from the NBA because they are not reported in the media.
I found what happened to be unusual. In the past, I have become accustomed to reading, hearing, and seeing controversial decisions that are always in favor of the Lakers. When it comes to biased refereeing, they have the most memes out of all NBA teams.
The management will certainly do something about it as it has already affected the reputation of the league, they don't want to make people think that the league is rigged, so in order to retain that confidence, they will certainly make a serious penalty to the referees who miss calling a foul on that clear foul.
There are already plenty of speculation in the past that refs are manipulating the game, if you are familiar with Tim Donaghy, you will understand that NBA is not clean.

No sports body is actually clean in the world. There are certain types of corruption going on almost everywhere. And it is very easy to think that the referee had some type of money on the line in this match. That's why they made a call like that. But the honest thing is it has already happened and I do not think there is anything that can be done about it. I just hope that there will be a big penalty for the referees so that no one who will officiate any game in NBA is not going to think about doing anything like this.


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The head ref admitted they missed a call, however, it was not stated if he was penalized for the huge mistake he did.
NBA head referee admits missed call in Lakers-Celtics game

It's a lesson learned that they have to do their job well, I understand that they are not perfect but you know how upset the Lakers especially Lebron who could have that winning shot.

Is that suppose to satisfy the fans especially the Lakers? I mean, it's still unjustified if the league will not do something just because these refs who made a bad call is now making an apology in the public and admits that they had bad call in that crucial second. These kind of scenarios are risky and it will be crazy once it will happen in the upcoming playoffs especially in the Finals.
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January 30, 2023, 10:33:36 AM
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In those crucial moments, they have to review if it's a foul or not, right?
I can understand why the ref didn't blew his whistle at that moment but yes it's like one of the instances where they could have stopped the play and review with the help of instant replay. Even Pat Bev wanted to give the refs a hand by bringing a camera but he got a tech for that instead hehe.
There's really a need for a review of those last seconds of play. In our known league in our country, if it's like the last 2 minutes for the 4th quarter, it's crucial and every possible foul under 2 minutes is gotta be reviewed if the refs are uncertain with their calls or haven't called yet.
Well, there's this bias in Boston and that referee have been helping the team to have favored calls but that's just unprofessional for them because even players know it that there has to be a review.
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January 30, 2023, 08:19:43 AM
Big salary for a big man.
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Indiana Pacers center Myles Turner has agreed to a two-year, $60 million contract extension that includes an additional $17.1 million renegotiation on his 2022-23 salary, his agent Austin Brown of CAA Sports told ESPN on Saturday.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35546473/pacers-myles-turner-reach-2-year-60m-extension-agent-says
Deserve? Yes. Appropriate amount? Yes.
He is the backbone of the Indiana Pacers although he badly needs Haliburton to come back to complete the body. Well, it's looking good as there's news that his return will be expected soon.
Tweet by Jeramiah Johnson.
https://twitter.com/PacersJJ/status/1619816688639442944?s=20&t=rjrKU4J8Ry2-Si0Tc2b-6A
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Rick Carlisle says Tyrese Haliburton is planning to practice this week, working towards playing this weekend. Not official yet, but great news nonetheless.
Haliburton also tweeted a celebrating clip after hearing the news about the contract extension of Myles Turner.

Since Portland Trail Blazers already leaked the news about the significant contract extension of Jerami Grant, they are open to trading Nurkic if any team is looking for size. I think they will just maximize the usage of Grant, and they still have Eubanks in their roster or they will try a small ball lineup and speed up their plays.
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January 30, 2023, 08:19:05 AM
And what others have thought:

https://twitter.com/OfficialNBARefs/status/1619815874583752704

The referees themselves admitted that they have make a big blunder on that last play, a drive by Lebron which they didn't call any foul. On the other hand, they call a foul + 1 on the other side prior to the call to make the score tie. And James is really mad after that but he can't do anything but to continue to play but eventually they have lost the game. And this game is closed to rigging and cheating by the referees, in my opinion.
There's the ref on that side of view on that image and I don't believe what they say. In those crucial moments, they have to review if it's a foul or not, right?
But they didn't call it out since it's their home team that's in danger of just losing the game with just 1 free throw to get in made by James. There should really be a call out on that incident and more sanctions and punishments for those referees that neglected their duty.

Yes, I certainly agree! They said it themselves, "Like everyone else, referees make mistakes". But the question is, are they getting some penalties or some sort of punishment because of the move they did? I guess not and for that, they should evolve for a much better referee so that every game is somehow fair and just.

By the looks of it, it sure looks like the refs made a bet on the Celtics side and the reason why they cheated or rigged the game. Just a thought.

We all know that, we are all human and bound to make mistakes. But as referees, they should at least minimized it or used replay as others  have said. It's really unfair for the team losing in this way, it's not on their hand but with the referees miscalls.

I didn't say specially that there could be referees betting on this game, but the good thing is that I"m not the only one with that mindset.

And so they really have to investigate who officiated this game and see if they have a bet on the other side because that's how it looks like to me at least.

That's important win for lakers since they will go to number 6 in the seed but damn things happen, that's why I understand why Lebron act like that because this is really a huge upset decision made by the officials in the court.

Nba should do an investigation about this and suspend those officials since this is crucial game which need to take their full attention but they neglect and cost huge for a team.

Getting that logic, if they call it Boston may lose but they will still enjoy the good position in the East right? I see
why LeBron and all the players of Lakers are reacting online.

A very important game for them to keep the campaign to save a slot in the West, that kind of reaction from LeBron
is something that fans will remember.

Hope to see them well, the game against Nets is another important one, we will see how they will try to win the game.
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