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Congratulations to our Gilas Pilipinas player, we have our first win in the Asian games.

Well-oiled Gilas trumps Bahrain in Asiad opener

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Gilas opened its Asiad gold medal journey with an 89-61 drubbing of Bahrain Tuesday at the ZJU Gymnasium in Hangzhou, China.

That was a big statement from the start, winning by 28 points. I've seen some praises for the team, especially for Tim Cone. I think his system is really working for the team, as I've noticed some good plays. They don't force their shots, there's no one-on-one plays; they are sharing the ball well, and everyone is shooting with a high percentage.

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Quote from: freedomgo on September 25, 2023, 09:19:28 AM

They are actually doing it already; it's just that only a few are attracted to play in the PBA since the salary isn't as competitive as in other Asian leagues. In fact, our Filipino talents, who are full-blooded Filipinos, are signed as imports in Korea and Japan because they believe in our talent. It's just that we are lacking in terms of training to be more competitive on a world-class level.

Let's just reflect on what coach Yeng said.

Guiao on PH place in Asia basketball: 'Iwan na iwan na tayo'

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Yeng Guiao on realizations after ROS' Jones Cup campaign
“Masakit mang aminin, pero meron na tayong ganung factor na medyo iwan tayo sa Asia,” the outspoken coach said days after his team finished the Taiwan invitational tournament seventh out of nine teams with just two wins in eight games.

Yeng is right but good thing that he's not in a team whose wings are from SMC and MVP companies so he's free to say anything he wants to say from his heart. Blame the PBA management for having a salary cap and at the same time the height limit. The management and rules of it are still in ancient times and only allow 1 import. Unlike in those leagues that you've mentioned, as long as the team can afford to do that, they're going to do it but with a max of 2 imports AFAIK. Also, the politics is totally a clown there. It shouldn't be included with such if it's about the beauty and glory of the PBA but then, when politics is also included then that make things really dirty and unpleasant. I still see a lot of fans like PBA but they don't want to watch it anymore because of how common the teams going in the finals. They better support the overseas leagues where our pure pinoy talents are being imported and invited to play.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on September 25, 2023, 06:52:48 AM

However, there's a slight issue with this. How can we develop our homegrown Filipino players to be equally competitive? Because if that's our solution, eventually, all major sports in the Philippines may prefer Filipino-American players to include in their line-up, as they are more competitive.

That would be the downside of this situation but whether we like it or not that's the only way that Team Gilas would be competitive in the international competition. Time will come when all of the Gilas players will be Fil-Foreigners but I hope that will not happen because it would discourage full-bloodied Filipinos or let us say would demoralize grassroots talents.

If they do that because they have plan to use them on our national team then its good since those half Filipino players can help gilas in terms of making the roster sizes up and be competitive on the world stage. But if they use them for marketing stunts and want PBA to go alive again because they drafted this guys maybe this could change something temporarily but for sure many fans will still want to see full home grown talent standout, but we need to face the fact that this is rare to happen in world stage since there are so many big guys who move faster and can shoot that's why maybe they want to have an improvement and eyeing those top half Filipino prospect to join on national team in future.

They are actually doing it already; it's just that only a few are attracted to play in the PBA since the salary isn't as competitive as in other Asian leagues. In fact, our Filipino talents, who are full-blooded Filipinos, are signed as imports in Korea and Japan because they believe in our talent. It's just that we are lacking in terms of training to be more competitive on a world-class level.

Let's just reflect on what coach Yeng said.

Guiao on PH place in Asia basketball: 'Iwan na iwan na tayo'

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Yeng Guiao on realizations after ROS' Jones Cup campaign
“Masakit mang aminin, pero meron na tayong ganung factor na medyo iwan tayo sa Asia,” the outspoken coach said days after his team finished the Taiwan invitational tournament seventh out of nine teams with just two wins in eight games.

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Quote from: goaldigger on September 24, 2023, 04:19:10 PM

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Quote from: goaldigger on September 23, 2023, 06:41:03 AM

Let’s also congratulate our younger Gilas for qualifying for the World Cup U17 next year, we have a better future if we continue the system that we have on our younger teams. I hope our national commission will address this concern and follow the strategy of other countries on molding younger players for their future representative, I think its about time now to have our own solid Gilas team with a solid system.

You mean the U16 Gilas team that got to the semis mate? Yeah, congratulations to them because beating Japan in the quarterfinals was not an easy task but they did it with all their heart and advanced to the semis against Australia but unfortunately, the latter was just too strong in this category that the blew away our young Gilas 92-36 but nevertheless it was a valiant effort and if continued, those efforts would go far if not mix with basketball politics.

I didn't expect them to lose by such a huge margin. I thought they'd be more competitive, but as we can see, there's a huge difference in basketball development between Asia and Europe or the US. The competition in these two regions is much closer, but we are lagging far behind.

The height is still might and we should start investing of that and build a good players with a good height.
Well, we still have the chance to get the podium finish and I’m proud to see those players doing their best to play for the country and get a win. Hopefully this team will improve in the world cup next year, there’s still a lot of work that needs to be done and of course Gilas can make it.

Maybe you are partly right, but we cannot just focus on height alone. My statement is backed by what happened during the FIBA World Cup. We all know that Germany won the gold, and Dennis Schröder was the MVP. Guess what his height is? He is only 6'1", so that tells us it's not all about height. Also, let's use the Warriors as an example. Why would they choose to play small ball if height is everything?

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 25, 2023, 07:38:09 AM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on September 25, 2023, 06:52:48 AM

However, there's a slight issue with this. How can we develop our homegrown Filipino players to be equally competitive? Because if that's our solution, eventually, all major sports in the Philippines may prefer Filipino-American players to include in their line-up, as they are more competitive.

That would be the downside of this situation but whether we like it or not that's the only way that Team Gilas would be competitive in the international competition. Time will come when all of the Gilas players will be Fil-Foreigners but I hope that will not happen because it would discourage full-bloodied Filipinos or let us say would demoralize grassroots talents.

If they do that because they have plan to use them on our national team then its good since those half Filipino players can help gilas in terms of making the roster sizes up and be competitive on the world stage. But if they use them for marketing stunts and want PBA to go alive again because they drafted this guys maybe this could change something temporarily but for sure many fans will still want to see full home grown talent standout, but we need to face the fact that this is rare to happen in world stage since there are so many big guys who move faster and can shoot that's why maybe they want to have an improvement and eyeing those top half Filipino prospect to join on national team in future.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 25, 2023, 07:38:09 AM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on September 25, 2023, 06:52:48 AM

However, there's a slight issue with this. How can we develop our homegrown Filipino players to be equally competitive? Because if that's our solution, eventually, all major sports in the Philippines may prefer Filipino-American players to include in their line-up, as they are more competitive.

That would be the downside of this situation but whether we like it or not that's the only way that Team Gilas would be competitive in the international competition. Time will come when all of the Gilas players will be Fil-Foreigners but I hope that will not happen because it would discourage full-bloodied Filipinos or let us say would demoralize grassroots talents.

It's really inevitable as most of the PBA players who are making names now are not full-blooded Filipinos, so I hope the fans will not complain in the end because they want to see our brand of basketball become more competitive. They will have to accept these changes. Despite this, I still think that the love for basketball will remain, but for the major league like the PBA, it may become increasingly populated with Fil-Foreigners in the long run.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on September 25, 2023, 06:52:48 AM

However, there's a slight issue with this. How can we develop our homegrown Filipino players to be equally competitive? Because if that's our solution, eventually, all major sports in the Philippines may prefer Filipino-American players to include in their line-up, as they are more competitive.

That would be the downside of this situation but whether we like it or not that's the only way that Team Gilas would be competitive in the international competition. Time will come when all of the Gilas players will be Fil-Foreigners but I hope that will not happen because it would discourage full-bloodied Filipinos or let us say would demoralize grassroots talents.

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Why I'm saying this? There's a talk before that Jordan Clarkson didn't able to get a Philippine passport before 18 even he was already scouted at young age and known to have Filipino blood. If only Jordan Clarkson able to comply with that requirement, he won't be listed as an import or naturalized player for Gilas and instead will be count as our own local player making it more deadly to the Gilas squad as they will able to use Clarkson and our naturalized player at the same time on the court.

And with that, they don't want to commit the same mistake again as they are applying visas to son's of popular players who had Filipino blood as early as ten years old. If i'm not mistaken, the son of Ron Artest aka Meta World Peace has been applied visa by the BSP when he was 10 years old, Jeron Artest's mom is a Filipina. Hope that in the future this kid will showcase his talent and wear the Gilas jersey without any problem.

It looks like it's a positive development for our national team. We will have a new generation of players in the future who are either playing in the NBA or participating in high-level tournaments in the USA. This will make us more competitive. Just imagine having players like Jordan Clarkson and Justin Brownlee playing together on our team; that would make us a formidable team.

However, there's a slight issue with this. How can we develop our homegrown Filipino players to be equally competitive? Because if that's our solution, eventually, all major sports in the Philippines may prefer Filipino-American players to include in their line-up, as they are more competitive.

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 24, 2023, 05:31:51 PM

Why I'm saying this? There's a talk before that Jordan Clarkson didn't able to get a Philippine passport before 18 even he was already scouted at young age and known to have Filipino blood. If only Jordan Clarkson able to comply with that requirement, he won't be listed as an import or naturalized player for Gilas and instead will be count as our own local player making it more deadly to the Gilas squad as they will able to use Clarkson and our naturalized player at the same time on the court.

And with that, they don't want to commit the same mistake again as they are applying visas to son's of popular players who had Filipino blood as early as ten years old. If i'm not mistaken, the son of Ron Artest aka Meta World Peace has been applied visa by the BSP when he was 10 years old, Jeron Artest's mom is a Filipina. Hope that in the future this kid will showcase his talent and wear the Gilas jersey without any problem.

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 24, 2023, 05:31:51 PM

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Let’s also congratulate our younger Gilas for qualifying for the World Cup U17 next year, we have a better future if we continue the system that we have on our younger teams. I hope our national commission will address this concern and follow the strategy of other countries on molding younger players for their future representative, I think its about time now to have our own solid Gilas team with a solid system.

They should also prioritize to scout those young prospects with Filipino blood stationed on other country and help them to secure a Philippine passport before turning to 18. With the right counseling, they can convinced these young PH prospects to comply with that and no problem in the future playing for the Philippines if one of them shows a potential. Jalen Green wants to play for example for Gilas but shutdown the chances now because of US ties even he's almost eligible for being a local player.

Why I'm saying this? There's a talk before that Jordan Clarkson didn't able to get a Philippine passport before 18 even he was already scouted at young age and known to have Filipino blood. If only Jordan Clarkson able to comply with that requirement, he won't be listed as an import or naturalized player for Gilas and instead will be count as our own local player making it more deadly to the Gilas squad as they will able to use Clarkson and our naturalized player at the same time on the court.

Indeed, if only those who scouted him convince his family to secure a passport before he turned 18, I'm pretty sure that bring different impact as he will be able to play not as naturalize and a tandem between him and Brownlee may lead PH Nationals to a much better position. I like your comment about young prospects to get their ph passport before turning 18.

Though it's also the sports commission to identify raising stars to continue the development and secure a place for representing the country.

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Quote from: goaldigger on September 23, 2023, 06:41:03 AM

Let’s also congratulate our younger Gilas for qualifying for the World Cup U17 next year, we have a better future if we continue the system that we have on our younger teams. I hope our national commission will address this concern and follow the strategy of other countries on molding younger players for their future representative, I think its about time now to have our own solid Gilas team with a solid system.

They should also prioritize to scout those young prospects with Filipino blood stationed on other country and help them to secure a Philippine passport before turning to 18. With the right counseling, they can convinced these young PH prospects to comply with that and no problem in the future playing for the Philippines if one of them shows a potential. Jalen Green wants to play for example for Gilas but shutdown the chances now because of US ties even he's almost eligible for being a local player.

Why I'm saying this? There's a talk before that Jordan Clarkson didn't able to get a Philippine passport before 18 even he was already scouted at young age and known to have Filipino blood. If only Jordan Clarkson able to comply with that requirement, he won't be listed as an import or naturalized player for Gilas and instead will be count as our own local player making it more deadly to the Gilas squad as they will able to use Clarkson and our naturalized player at the same time on the court.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 24, 2023, 06:59:12 AM

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 23, 2023, 10:48:30 AM

Yes, in terms of leadership Brownlee is reliable and with experienced on how coach Tim work with his players I believe that it won't be hard for him to decide in taking over when the team needed him the most, plus the players who's playing around him is not new most of them already have that chance to play alongside with him.

Honestly, that was the key reason why before, Justin Brownlee was even pushed up by some fans to play in the FIBA World Cup instead of Jordan Clarkson, even though the latter is playing at an NBA-caliber level. There's a clear ball rotation if Brownlee is on the floor, unlike Clarkson who mostly, plays in isolation and and designed for him.

Coach Tim also knows how to utilize each player on the current roster since it's not new to him handling these guys, especially his Ginebra players.

Excited to see their match against Jordan a week from now, the toughest team in their bracket.

Maybe they will try again next time with Brownlee if he can still play, or perhaps the outcome of this tournament will be the deciding factor in choosing between the two. If Gilas wins the gold, I think they will stick with Brownlee, as that way they will be able to save some money compared to Clarkson, whom they reportedly paid $1 million.

Jordan Clarkson somehow is just available to play for the nationals outside NBA season.

Therefore, Justin Brownlee is expected to be the most used naturalized player of Gilas in the international league. But I'm sure regardless of Brownlee's performance in international leagues, once it's time now for the preparation of the FIBA World Cup, SBP will still keep Clarkson as the Gilas' main naturalized player or if he's available at window qualifiers.

Although yes, SBP does really spend a huge amount to pay Clarkson.

If I'm not mistaken, the Utah Jazz gunner is even part of the Top 10 most-paid players in the recent FIBA World Cup.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on September 24, 2023, 06:19:52 AM

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Quote from: goaldigger on September 23, 2023, 06:41:03 AM

Let’s also congratulate our younger Gilas for qualifying for the World Cup U17 next year, we have a better future if we continue the system that we have on our younger teams. I hope our national commission will address this concern and follow the strategy of other countries on molding younger players for their future representative, I think its about time now to have our own solid Gilas team with a solid system.

You mean the U16 Gilas team that got to the semis mate? Yeah, congratulations to them because beating Japan in the quarterfinals was not an easy task but they did it with all their heart and advanced to the semis against Australia but unfortunately, the latter was just too strong in this category that the blew away our young Gilas 92-36 but nevertheless it was a valiant effort and if continued, those efforts would go far if not mix with basketball politics.

I didn't expect them to lose by such a huge margin. I thought they'd be more competitive, but as we can see, there's a huge difference in basketball development between Asia and Europe or the US. The competition in these two regions is much closer, but we are lagging far behind.

The height is still might and we should start investing of that and build a good players with a good height.
Well, we still have the chance to get the podium finish and I’m proud to see those players doing their best to play for the country and get a win. Hopefully this team will improve in the world cup next year, there’s still a lot of work that needs to be done and of course Gilas can make it.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 24, 2023, 06:59:12 AM

Quote from: harizen on September 23, 2023, 06:57:58 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on September 23, 2023, 10:48:30 AM

Yes, in terms of leadership Brownlee is reliable and with experienced on how coach Tim work with his players I believe that it won't be hard for him to decide in taking over when the team needed him the most, plus the players who's playing around him is not new most of them already have that chance to play alongside with him.

Honestly, that was the key reason why before, Justin Brownlee was even pushed up by some fans to play in the FIBA World Cup instead of Jordan Clarkson, even though the latter is playing at an NBA-caliber level. There's a clear ball rotation if Brownlee is on the floor, unlike Clarkson who mostly, plays in isolation and and designed for him.

Coach Tim also knows how to utilize each player on the current roster since it's not new to him handling these guys, especially his Ginebra players.

Excited to see their match against Jordan a week from now, the toughest team in their bracket.

Maybe they will try again next time with Brownlee if he can still play, or perhaps the outcome of this tournament will be the deciding factor in choosing between the two. If Gilas wins the gold, I think they will stick with Brownlee, as that way they will be able to save some money compared to Clarkson, whom they reportedly paid $1 million.

No offense for JC and coach Chot, even JC is a NBA caliber player the way they execute the play is something that the opponent can easily read, isolation and if he's been trapped the player who might receive the ball is not prepared for the next play. Unlike with JBL he's more on ball rotations and players playing with him ae all ready and all willing to take the charge if needed.

Good point in terms of salary, if they win this tournament they might continue using JBL and that's a 1 million dollars savings for the national.

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Nice start for Tim Cone as the coach of Gilas.

We have a win tonight.

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Just check out the YouTube highlights of this game. I'm sure many Filipino vloggers will be posting videos with their commentaries regarding the win. I hope this trend continues, even though it's just a tune-up game; it's still very important to us.

No more bashing; it's good for our Gilas Pilipinas. It seems like the coaching style of Tim Cone is very effective, especially with Brownlee, their best player, working with the Ginebra Gin Kings. A tune-up game against a good team is already a success. I believe they are already prepared for the Asian Games.

Are there any other tune-up games scheduled before their first game in the Asian Games?

Tim cone is the best best coach as we all know how smart he is and wat we saw earlier that they will win against strong team even though that is tune up game then still salute for our players who gave their very best to win that game. And also their lineup is good and the chemistry between the coach and the players has already built. And also our new local player which brownlee he contributed very well and it's. successful.

I think we can consider him our naturalized player. Well, he is so Pinoy that we can almost consider him a local player, although on paper he is not. The lineup is really good, the defense was strong, and we have a good big man who can compete with the bigs from other countries. In my opinion, Fajardo wasn't that impressive in past international games, but with his contributions during the FIBA World Cup, I think the real Kraken has awakened, and he will be even more dangerous in the upcoming Asian Games.

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Quote from: harizen on September 23, 2023, 06:57:58 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on September 23, 2023, 10:48:30 AM

Yes, in terms of leadership Brownlee is reliable and with experienced on how coach Tim work with his players I believe that it won't be hard for him to decide in taking over when the team needed him the most, plus the players who's playing around him is not new most of them already have that chance to play alongside with him.

Honestly, that was the key reason why before, Justin Brownlee was even pushed up by some fans to play in the FIBA World Cup instead of Jordan Clarkson, even though the latter is playing at an NBA-caliber level. There's a clear ball rotation if Brownlee is on the floor, unlike Clarkson who mostly, plays in isolation and and designed for him.

Coach Tim also knows how to utilize each player on the current roster since it's not new to him handling these guys, especially his Ginebra players.

Excited to see their match against Jordan a week from now, the toughest team in their bracket.

Maybe they will try again next time with Brownlee if he can still play, or perhaps the outcome of this tournament will be the deciding factor in choosing between the two. If Gilas wins the gold, I think they will stick with Brownlee, as that way they will be able to save some money compared to Clarkson, whom they reportedly paid $1 million.

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Quote from: goaldigger on September 23, 2023, 06:41:03 AM

Let’s also congratulate our younger Gilas for qualifying for the World Cup U17 next year, we have a better future if we continue the system that we have on our younger teams. I hope our national commission will address this concern and follow the strategy of other countries on molding younger players for their future representative, I think its about time now to have our own solid Gilas team with a solid system.

You mean the U16 Gilas team that got to the semis mate? Yeah, congratulations to them because beating Japan in the quarterfinals was not an easy task but they did it with all their heart and advanced to the semis against Australia but unfortunately, the latter was just too strong in this category that the blew away our young Gilas 92-36 but nevertheless it was a valiant effort and if continued, those efforts would go far if not mix with basketball politics.

I didn't expect them to lose by such a huge margin. I thought they'd be more competitive, but as we can see, there's a huge difference in basketball development between Asia and Europe or the US. The competition in these two regions is much closer, but we are lagging far behind.

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Quote from: goaldigger on September 23, 2023, 06:41:03 AM

Let’s also congratulate our younger Gilas for qualifying for the World Cup U17 next year, we have a better future if we continue the system that we have on our younger teams. I hope our national commission will address this concern and follow the strategy of other countries on molding younger players for their future representative, I think its about time now to have our own solid Gilas team with a solid system.

You mean the U16 Gilas team that got to the semis mate? Yeah, congratulations to them because beating Japan in the quarterfinals was not an easy task but they did it with all their heart and advanced to the semis against Australia but unfortunately, the latter was just too strong in this category that the blew away our young Gilas 92-36 but nevertheless it was a valiant effort and if continued, those efforts would go far if not mix with basketball politics.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 23, 2023, 10:48:30 AM

Yes, in terms of leadership Brownlee is reliable and with experienced on how coach Tim work with his players I believe that it won't be hard for him to decide in taking over when the team needed him the most, plus the players who's playing around him is not new most of them already have that chance to play alongside with him.

Honestly, that was the key reason why before, Justin Brownlee was even pushed up by some fans to play in the FIBA World Cup instead of Jordan Clarkson, even though the latter is playing at an NBA-caliber level. There's a clear ball rotation if Brownlee is on the floor, unlike Clarkson who mostly, plays in isolation and and designed for him.

Coach Tim also knows how to utilize each player on the current roster since it's not new to him handling these guys, especially his Ginebra players.

Excited to see their match against Jordan a week from now, the toughest team in their bracket.

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No more dribble and drive, but more on moving around even without the ball in hand. Hopefully, what we witness today will always be the same good ball movement and good sets of players inside.

That's what I noticed too, Coach Tim is really different from Coach Chot, and I think his system will be effective for Gilas Pilipinas as it will improve the defense. One significant difference as well is that Brownlee isn't like Clarkson, who is too confident to shoot; Brownlee doesn't hog the ball. He's already accustomed to playing with his teammates due to his experience in the PBA.

Big factor since the focus of the defense coming from the opponents is not just for some key players, with coach Tim all are threats since the ball is moving and each individuals inside the court are all capable in taking the shots, with confidence that they are playing together both defense and offense is really nice to watch with coach Tims' mentoring the Nationals.

Let see if they will continue to play like this and able to upgrade more in terms of rotations and good blending of players
inside the court, and if replacement is needed, the player who will be playing will be aware of his role and will play that
same setup, so there's no problem in terms of executing the plays.

Also, it will help Brownlee conserve his energy going into the 4th quarter because he won't be carrying the team, but he should be the one to take over in the 4th quarter, especially if the team is behind or the game is close. I trust Brownlee, though; he could be a significant factor in delivering success. We haven't won gold for a while, but maybe this is our best chance.

If they will continue what they are doing then there's a big chances that our national team will get the gold medal as we can see their dedication and their hard work. Also the coaching staff they already build their chemistry which is the very important thing in a team and also they have the unity and more players have thier time to prove their welt . So for me there a big chance to claim the gold.

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