2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup - page 235.

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 07, 2022, 03:27:37 AM

Quote from: chaser15 on November 06, 2022, 06:59:48 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on November 06, 2022, 06:45:16 PM

As always, rumors especially from bettors who got disappointed by how the game ended, I think it's no longer new to PBA that a huge gap is manageable to still lose if you have poor defense and offense in the last quarter, while your opponents did well prohibiting your team to make a good play and score, Ginebra's win for most of the fans will be good and enjoyable, while for us SMB fans, we will not dwell from how we see this game and move forward.

Don't blame the officiating but rather look at those possible reasons why SMB blew that big lead. I even stopped watching when I saw the big lead as I think SMB will win that game. But when I watched the highlights, I see that Ginebra really puts an effort to cut down the lead.

Justin Brownlee and Scottie Thompson really never gave up. I doubt these 2 will be involved in such a crap plan to allow SMB to win.

Why they will put some effort to force a win if there's a script to allow SMB to win the game?

The timing of that Thompson 3 point really on time, a heart of a legit MVP who's not afraid of taking the last shot even in front of an almost 7foot import, what I'm saying is rumors is not new to PBA I even say the reason why big lead can still lose the game, I'm not against how Ginebra wins the game it's SMB who blow away their big lead while like what you mentioned both Brownlee and Thompson plus Malonzo really play hard to make sure that they are still in the game and it happen that they snatch it from SMB.

That was a huge comeback, I thought that SMB would already win the game because they are in a huge lead already. The NSD was real, people were supporting them for their big run and Thompson had really improve, he is a real deal MVP because he already have lots of winning shots.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 06, 2022, 06:59:48 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on November 06, 2022, 06:45:16 PM

As always, rumors especially from bettors who got disappointed by how the game ended, I think it's no longer new to PBA that a huge gap is manageable to still lose if you have poor defense and offense in the last quarter, while your opponents did well prohibiting your team to make a good play and score, Ginebra's win for most of the fans will be good and enjoyable, while for us SMB fans, we will not dwell from how we see this game and move forward.

Don't blame the officiating but rather look at those possible reasons why SMB blew that big lead. I even stopped watching when I saw the big lead as I think SMB will win that game. But when I watched the highlights, I see that Ginebra really puts an effort to cut down the lead.

Justin Brownlee and Scottie Thompson really never gave up. I doubt these 2 will be involved in such a crap plan to allow SMB to win.

Why they will put some effort to force a win if there's a script to allow SMB to win the game?

The timing of that Thompson 3 point really on time, a heart of a legit MVP who's not afraid of taking the last shot even in front of an almost 7foot import, what I'm saying is rumors is not new to PBA I even say the reason why big lead can still lose the game, I'm not against how Ginebra wins the game it's SMB who blow away their big lead while like what you mentioned both Brownlee and Thompson plus Malonzo really play hard to make sure that they are still in the game and it happen that they snatch it from SMB.

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Quote from: harizen on November 06, 2022, 06:43:07 PM

Quote from: Scripture on November 06, 2022, 05:37:25 PM

That's a 19 points comeback as far as I know, so we cannot blame the supporter of SMB for throwing that rumors because we all know they are sister company and both on the lower standing.

Even for let's say magic will be applied for BGSM to win, it's hard to do it behind a 19-point comeback.

It's just that SMB choked on that game and when BGSM is now doing some rally, they don't even know what to do.

Too much confidence and I doubt Justin Brownlee himself will be a fan of this "Sagip Kapamilya" scheme. SMB losses and fans need to move on.

They did it against Magnolia and again they did it against San Miguel.

When I saw that huge lead getting diminished slowly, I want to end watching it already, but I put a bet on SMB so I'm hoping. I'm a fan of SMB and there is a time while I'm watching that this is planned, but I just moved on with it, forget what happened and TBH, I'm not expecting too much with SMB this Commissioner's Cup because they've already shown that they aren't that dominating anymore in a conference that has import. Well, I moved on already with that and also lose my bet, but a loss is a loss. What's important is that Ginebra fans are happy both on livestream and on the arena.

What makes me curious is how in the hell SMB choose to complain rather than fouling Ginebra in their final possession. If you watched the whole game, you saw that the lead is only 1 and Ginebra got a steal. In a normal game, the opponent will foul it right? Why didn't they foul them and just choose to let the time runs out and complain?

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 06, 2022, 06:45:16 PM

As always, rumors especially from bettors who got disappointed by how the game ended, I think it's no longer new to PBA that a huge gap is manageable to still lose if you have poor defense and offense in the last quarter, while your opponents did well prohibiting your team to make a good play and score, Ginebra's win for most of the fans will be good and enjoyable, while for us SMB fans, we will not dwell from how we see this game and move forward.

Don't blame the officiating but rather look at those possible reasons why SMB blew that big lead. I even stopped watching when I saw the big lead as I think SMB will win that game. But when I watched the highlights, I see that Ginebra really puts an effort to cut down the lead.

Justin Brownlee and Scottie Thompson really never gave up. I doubt these 2 will be involved in such a crap plan to allow SMB to win.

Why they will put some effort to force a win if there's a script to allow SMB to win the game?

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Quote from: Scripture on November 06, 2022, 05:37:25 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on November 06, 2022, 04:34:05 PM

Quote from: Yamifoud on November 06, 2022, 05:59:40 AM

The first game was boring as expected, Magnolia did dominate the Blackwater with a 22 points victory. But the good news is we are about to witness now the game between SBM and BGSM, I'm sure this will be a close one in which either team could win.

I know Brownlee is good but they are not the number 1 team this conference, so SMB has a chance to win.

As expected the intensity of the game between SMB and Ginebra are very high, Ginebra completes the comeback and the last three point shot by Scottie was amazing. Another loss for SMB where they almost have the chance to take this game unfortunately they failed. They are rumors again about this game but I think that is just a rumor and Ginebra really shows a great game against SMB, they deserve the win.

That's a 19 points comeback as far as I know, so we cannot blame the supporter of SMB for throwing that rumors because we all know they are sister company and both on the lower standing. Ginebra did a great job in the last quarter, they become more precise with their plays and their defensive patterns becomes more accurate. SMB on the other hand also did a great job limiting Ginebra on this game, it's just that the lucky shot of Scottie was shot at the right time.

As always, rumors especially from bettors who got disappointed by how the game ended, I think it's no longer new to PBA that a huge gap is manageable to still lose if you have poor defense and offense in the last quarter, while your opponents did well prohibiting your team to make a good play and score, Ginebra's win for most of the fans will be good and enjoyable, while for us SMB fans, we will not dwell from how we see this game and move forward.

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Quote from: Scripture on November 06, 2022, 05:37:25 PM

That's a 19 points comeback as far as I know, so we cannot blame the supporter of SMB for throwing that rumors because we all know they are sister company and both on the lower standing.

Even for let's say magic will be applied for BGSM to win, it's hard to do it behind a 19-point comeback.

It's just that SMB choked on that game and when BGSM is now doing some rally, they don't even know what to do.

Too much confidence and I doubt Justin Brownlee himself will be a fan of this "Sagip Kapamilya" scheme. SMB losses and fans need to move on.

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Quote from: goaldigger on November 06, 2022, 04:34:05 PM

Quote from: Yamifoud on November 06, 2022, 05:59:40 AM

The first game was boring as expected, Magnolia did dominate the Blackwater with a 22 points victory. But the good news is we are about to witness now the game between SBM and BGSM, I'm sure this will be a close one in which either team could win.

I know Brownlee is good but they are not the number 1 team this conference, so SMB has a chance to win.

As expected the intensity of the game between SMB and Ginebra are very high, Ginebra completes the comeback and the last three point shot by Scottie was amazing. Another loss for SMB where they almost have the chance to take this game unfortunately they failed. They are rumors again about this game but I think that is just a rumor and Ginebra really shows a great game against SMB, they deserve the win.

That's a 19 points comeback as far as I know, so we cannot blame the supporter of SMB for throwing that rumors because we all know they are sister company and both on the lower standing. Ginebra did a great job in the last quarter, they become more precise with their plays and their defensive patterns becomes more accurate. SMB on the other hand also did a great job limiting Ginebra on this game, it's just that the lucky shot of Scottie was shot at the right time.

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Quote from: goaldigger on November 06, 2022, 04:34:05 PM

Quote from: Yamifoud on November 06, 2022, 05:59:40 AM

The first game was boring as expected, Magnolia did dominate the Blackwater with a 22 points victory. But the good news is we are about to witness now the game between SBM and BGSM, I'm sure this will be a close one in which either team could win.

I know Brownlee is good but they are not the number 1 team this conference, so SMB has a chance to win.

As expected the intensity of the game between SMB and Ginebra are very high, Ginebra completes the comeback and the last three point shot by Scottie was amazing. Another loss for SMB where they almost have the chance to take this game unfortunately they failed. They are rumors again about this game but I think that is just a rumor and Ginebra really shows a great game against SMB, they deserve the win.

I did not know that the Gins were able to make a comeback. I stopped watching when the lead was double-digit. I thought it was give me this game between sister companies to improve the standing of San Miguel. I guess I was wrong. Now I need to watch the highlights to watch what happened.

I do not know if San Miguel will be able to play in the playoffs. They have tough matches up ahead. They are against Magnolia, Phoenix, Terrafirma and TNT. 3 of those teams are tough team to beat and without June Mar, I am not sure they will be able to win to improve their standings. They are now at #8 with 3-4 win-loss record, tied with NLEX.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on November 06, 2022, 05:59:40 AM

The first game was boring as expected, Magnolia did dominate the Blackwater with a 22 points victory. But the good news is we are about to witness now the game between SBM and BGSM, I'm sure this will be a close one in which either team could win.

I know Brownlee is good but they are not the number 1 team this conference, so SMB has a chance to win.

As expected the intensity of the game between SMB and Ginebra are very high, Ginebra completes the comeback and the last three point shot by Scottie was amazing. Another loss for SMB where they almost have the chance to take this game unfortunately they failed. They are rumors again about this game but I think that is just a rumor and Ginebra really shows a great game against SMB, they deserve the win.

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The first game was boring as expected, Magnolia did dominate the Blackwater with a 22 points victory. But the good news is we are about to witness now the game between SBM and BGSM, I'm sure this will be a close one in which either team could win.

I know Brownlee is good but they are not the number 1 team this conference, so SMB has a chance to win.

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 06, 2022, 04:35:17 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on November 05, 2022, 08:59:48 PM

Quote from: agustina2 on November 05, 2022, 06:40:31 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on November 05, 2022, 08:13:58 AM

Suspending the ref will be their sole action, and it's not a big problem as they can always find a replacement, and the league will continue running with a ruined reputation. Well, we are still watching PBA games, so despite their reputation, we still love to watch PBA games. Grin

But let's also consider that Meralco as an underdog able to close out the game with the Dragons. That said violation that being missed call by a referee doesn't change the fact that Meralco keeps up with the foreign team in the first place, I think only a few imagined that Meralco would win.

Dragons are a tough team but the underdog Meralco finds a way to keep the game close. Even if there's a miss call, we should give credit to Meralco for winning that game. About the ref, a suspension is really a must as refs should not influence the result of the game especially in crucial times.

Thanks to their new import because without him, Meralco will continue to tank. Only 2 teams have defeated the Dragons so far, Ginebra and Meralco and they are not anymore the number 1 team as Magnolia had already replaced them. I like what's happening, it only proved that there's no team now that is a heavy favorite to win the finals.

And when the second round take place then we will all realize that it's just like the same drama either SMC or MVP will be there in the finals, though now only one of them can get the ticket since the Bay Area is really bringing a lot of competitiveness, but I'm not closing the possibilities that a solo franchise will manage to move forward, I'm noticing the hard work of Converge import and how the locals are competing alongside of him.

A good sign that the team is really trying to make their presence be felt by the league. Remember back the old Alaska they are also doing their presence be recognized.

Definitely, our PBA teams are showing that this league is still full of competitive players despite the fact that some of the star players had choose to play abroad. Bay Area is such a talented team they outplayed every team that is not a championship team, but this Meralco team just found their savior, they hired a good import and that is providing them spark now.

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Quote from: Russlenat on November 05, 2022, 08:59:48 PM

Quote from: agustina2 on November 05, 2022, 06:40:31 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on November 05, 2022, 08:13:58 AM

Suspending the ref will be their sole action, and it's not a big problem as they can always find a replacement, and the league will continue running with a ruined reputation. Well, we are still watching PBA games, so despite their reputation, we still love to watch PBA games. Grin

But let's also consider that Meralco as an underdog able to close out the game with the Dragons. That said violation that being missed call by a referee doesn't change the fact that Meralco keeps up with the foreign team in the first place, I think only a few imagined that Meralco would win.

Dragons are a tough team but the underdog Meralco finds a way to keep the game close. Even if there's a miss call, we should give credit to Meralco for winning that game. About the ref, a suspension is really a must as refs should not influence the result of the game especially in crucial times.

Thanks to their new import because without him, Meralco will continue to tank. Only 2 teams have defeated the Dragons so far, Ginebra and Meralco and they are not anymore the number 1 team as Magnolia had already replaced them. I like what's happening, it only proved that there's no team now that is a heavy favorite to win the finals.

And when the second round take place then we will all realize that it's just like the same drama either SMC or MVP will be there in the finals, though now only one of them can get the ticket since the Bay Area is really bringing a lot of competitiveness, but I'm not closing the possibilities that a solo franchise will manage to move forward, I'm noticing the hard work of Converge import and how the locals are competing alongside of him.

A good sign that the team is really trying to make their presence be felt by the league. Remember back the old Alaska they are also doing their presence be recognized.

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Ginebra vs SMB is the main attraction tonight. Ginebra is -4.5, I guess it's a good point spread considering Fajardo is still not back.

I know SMB won their last game but Ginebra is just too good for SMB who is not a complete team so far.
Or, if I'm a bit doubtful, I might wait for an opportunity to get a better value through live betting.

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Quote from: agustina2 on November 05, 2022, 06:40:31 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on November 05, 2022, 08:13:58 AM

Suspending the ref will be their sole action, and it's not a big problem as they can always find a replacement, and the league will continue running with a ruined reputation. Well, we are still watching PBA games, so despite their reputation, we still love to watch PBA games. Grin

But let's also consider that Meralco as an underdog able to close out the game with the Dragons. That said violation that being missed call by a referee doesn't change the fact that Meralco keeps up with the foreign team in the first place, I think only a few imagined that Meralco would win.

Dragons are a tough team but the underdog Meralco finds a way to keep the game close. Even if there's a miss call, we should give credit to Meralco for winning that game. About the ref, a suspension is really a must as refs should not influence the result of the game especially in crucial times.

Thanks to their new import because without him, Meralco will continue to tank. Only 2 teams have defeated the Dragons so far, Ginebra and Meralco and they are not anymore the number 1 team as Magnolia had already replaced them. I like what's happening, it only proved that there's no team now that is a heavy favorite to win the finals.

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Quote from: Sanitough on November 05, 2022, 08:13:58 AM

Suspending the ref will be their sole action, and it's not a big problem as they can always find a replacement, and the league will continue running with a ruined reputation. Well, we are still watching PBA games, so despite their reputation, we still love to watch PBA games. Grin

But let's also consider that Meralco as an underdog able to close out the game with the Dragons. That said violation that being missed call by a referee doesn't change the fact that Meralco keeps up with the foreign team in the first place, I think only a few imagined that Meralco would win.

Dragons are a tough team but the underdog Meralco finds a way to keep the game close. Even if there's a miss call, we should give credit to Meralco for winning that game. About the ref, a suspension is really a must as refs should not influence the result of the game especially in crucial times.

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What an impressive performance is again shown by Converge last night.

They played without an import the whole second half and still, dominate the NLEX Road Warriors by a big lead. What's more, if their import, Quincy Miller, is able to play the whole game, we might expect that a much big lead happened.

Converge Head Coach Ayo is already showing his coaching skills. He knows well how to rotate his players and almost the entire active roster on that game was given a good playing time. We often don't see a coach using all the entire players in a game with provided good playing time.

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Quote from: Sanitough on November 05, 2022, 08:13:58 AM

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 05, 2022, 05:40:38 AM

No need to worry as PBA commissioner will always be there to save refs ass. If there's any investigation, I'm pretty sure it will be quick to forget, Com. Marcial can't do anything against MVP's group of company, we know that right?

They will not do anything if the order is coming from them to rig the game. PBA is known to be a rigged basketball league so it's not surprising to see a ref trying to favor a certain team to win, whether it's Pangilinan or Cojuangco's team, it doesn't matter as long as the order is coming from above.

Money will always speak and there is too much politics with PBA, I'm just wondering if those big companies will really fight just because of the miss calls with the referees, I'm sure they also have a deal in private, after all they are all business men who knows how to deal with this kind of situation.

It's just sad to see the wrong calls and the effort of the players are being wasted. Well, what we can expect for PBA though they can suspend that referee but I'm sure they will not do anything to address this issues, they will just ignore it.

Suspending the ref will be their sole action, and it's not a big problem as they can always find a replacement, and the league will continue running with a ruined reputation. Well, we are still watching PBA games, so despite their reputation, we still love to watch PBA games. Grin

Indeed! the business will continue even there's a lot of rumors and controversies as long as they are being paid and fans continue to buy tickets, then Marcial will continue to follow orders from the giant companies who really running the league. Though that kind of controversy can bring more hate for this league, especially that the involve team is a visiting one which will re-think their participation again after experiencing this bad call from the referee.

Moving forward, still got a lot of games to watch and bet on. We just need to treat this as normal scenery from PBA, then leave it behind and try to analyze and pick for your next bet..

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Quote from: Johnyz on November 05, 2022, 07:05:16 AM

Quote from: Sanitough on November 05, 2022, 06:53:27 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on November 05, 2022, 05:40:38 AM

No need to worry as PBA commissioner will always be there to save refs ass. If there's any investigation, I'm pretty sure it will be quick to forget, Com. Marcial can't do anything against MVP's group of company, we know that right?

They will not do anything if the order is coming from them to rig the game. PBA is known to be a rigged basketball league so it's not surprising to see a ref trying to favor a certain team to win, whether it's Pangilinan or Cojuangco's team, it doesn't matter as long as the order is coming from above.

Money will always speak and there is too much politics with PBA, I'm just wondering if those big companies will really fight just because of the miss calls with the referees, I'm sure they also have a deal in private, after all they are all business men who knows how to deal with this kind of situation.

It's just sad to see the wrong calls and the effort of the players are being wasted. Well, what we can expect for PBA though they can suspend that referee but I'm sure they will not do anything to address this issues, they will just ignore it.

Suspending the ref will be their sole action, and it's not a big problem as they can always find a replacement, and the league will continue running with a ruined reputation. Well, we are still watching PBA games, so despite their reputation, we still love to watch PBA games. Grin

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Quote from: Shamm on November 05, 2022, 07:55:37 AM

As you said above mate is correct KJ Mc Daniels played in Talk N Text and NLEX before and now he is in Meralco which is pretty good as we all know how KJ McDaniel play in the court which is he can really carry his team to victory and we all know that stats of KJ McDaniel his average points are greater or bigger than other imports, which is the most important in the team because if their import is good then our local players will be play good as well.

There's no doubt about the talent of KJ, but considering the current standing of Meralco it will be hard for him to carry the whole team going into the playoff.
Their local players should contribute more and help their import to get a score, unfortunately this might be already late for them and playing with the other team, Meralco is on a verge of being eliminated here, too bad for their franchise for this conference. KJ should look for a better team next time where he can get a big help from other players.

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Quote from: harizen on November 02, 2022, 06:58:58 PM

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Do you think that changing their import will help the team reach the playoffs? In general, a team need at least 6 wins in order to secure a spot in the playoffs. It will be hard for KJ, but I guess he can do it since he already did with NLEX on his last stint.

With their worst standing right now, no choice after all but to really made some changes that's why yes, changing their import is necessary.

We know the capability of KJ McDaniels that if only the pandemic didn't delay the last year's PBA, we might see NLEX competing at the top.

KJ McDaniels now played on all MVP teams, starting from Talk N Text, NLEX, and now, Meralco.

As you said above mate is correct KJ Mc Daniels played in Talk N Text and NLEX before and now he is in Meralco which is pretty good as we all know how KJ McDaniel play in the court which is he can really carry his team to victory and we all know that stats of KJ McDaniel his average points are greater or bigger than other imports, which is the most important in the team because if their import is good then our local players will be play good as well.

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