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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on November 22, 2022, 06:37:12 AM

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Quote from: harizen on November 21, 2022, 06:59:38 PM

Speaking of Quincy Miller, he was also considered to become a naturalized player but I doubt it will be pushed through.

Justin Brownlee on the other hand is now having a good status to become one. And guess what, Myles Powell has also shown interest to become a naturalized player although I'm not sure if he is serious.

What's your thought about that, guys?

I agree with LogitechMouse, it was the influence and power of politicians that makes the naturalization process of Brownlee easy but in fairness to Brownlee, IMO he deserves to be naturalized as he has been in the country for quite some time now and his skill set to be in the Gilas lineup is a good fit.

Brownlee is enough for now, that's why Miller and Powell will not be entertained this time as we have Jordan Clarkson who is the priority of them all to play in FIBA 2023 as a naturalized Filipino if he will not be counted as a local.

Brownlee and Clarkson playing together, I guess would make our offense flow get better, however, we don't have a tall and big center who could battle inside for the position and rebounds. Our naturalized players before playing the center position, this time it's different, so let's see how it will impact the team in overall.

That's the advantage of Blatche when he was playing with the Gilas, he is tall and can handle the ball very well but come FIBA23, we have big guys like AJ Edu, Kai Sotto, and Fajardo that will man the middle while Jordan Clarkson will wreak havoc in the wings hehe. The good with Clarkson is that he never shies away from shooting that ball when badly needed as he doesn't know the word "pressure" in international basketball and also he is a name in the NBA now that will bring the Philippines into the limelight.

BTW, Brownlee and Clarkson can't play together as FIBA only allows one naturalized player at a time so i think it would be Clarkson that will play.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on November 22, 2022, 06:37:12 AM

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Quote from: harizen on November 21, 2022, 06:59:38 PM

Speaking of Quincy Miller, he was also considered to become a naturalized player but I doubt it will be pushed through.

Justin Brownlee on the other hand is now having a good status to become one. And guess what, Myles Powell has also shown interest to become a naturalized player although I'm not sure if he is serious.

What's your thought about that, guys?

I agree with LogitechMouse, it was the influence and power of politicians that makes the naturalization process of Brownlee easy but in fairness to Brownlee, IMO he deserves to be naturalized as he has been in the country for quite some time now and his skill set to be in the Gilas lineup is a good fit.

Brownlee is enough for now, that's why Miller and Powell will not be entertained this time as we have Jordan Clarkson who is the priority of them all to play in FIBA 2023 as a naturalized Filipino if he will not be counted as a local.

Brownlee and Clarkson playing together, I guess would make our offense flow get better, however, we don't have a tall and big center who could battle inside for the position and rebounds. Our naturalized players before playing the center position, this time it's different, so let's see how it will impact the team in overall.

Clarkson and brownies is a good team up and also kai sotto if he can improve a lot then it should be a good news because 3 star players will be shine in the fiba and about JunmarFajardo still I recommend him as gillas team as we all know that his skill and power can dominate other player even though junmar fajardo don't have 3 point play but as a center and big man he is useful for rebound and points as well

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Brownlee deserves to be a naturalized player, the committee who would choose a naturalized player will never be questioned as Brownlee is a crowd favorite. Well, there's really no big center for now but if Kai Sotto will improve, he will be a big help to make the Gilas more competitive.

About JMF, I'm not counting him now because he is slow in international competition, bigs now can already shoot 3's and they can handle the ball well.

Personally, I'm happy for Brownlee and Gilas team.

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Quote from: harizen on November 21, 2022, 06:59:38 PM

Speaking of Quincy Miller, he was also considered to become a naturalized player but I doubt it will be pushed through.

Justin Brownlee on the other hand is now having a good status to become one. And guess what, Myles Powell has also shown interest to become a naturalized player although I'm not sure if he is serious.

What's your thought about that, guys?

I agree with LogitechMouse, it was the influence and power of politicians that makes the naturalization process of Brownlee easy but in fairness to Brownlee, IMO he deserves to be naturalized as he has been in the country for quite some time now and his skill set to be in the Gilas lineup is a good fit.

Brownlee is enough for now, that's why Miller and Powell will not be entertained this time as we have Jordan Clarkson who is the priority of them all to play in FIBA 2023 as a naturalized Filipino if he will not be counted as a local.

Brownlee and Clarkson playing together, I guess would make our offense flow get better, however, we don't have a tall and big center who could battle inside for the position and rebounds. Our naturalized players before playing the center position, this time it's different, so let's see how it will impact the team in overall.

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Quote from: harizen on November 21, 2022, 06:59:38 PM

Speaking of Quincy Miller, he was also considered to become a naturalized player but I doubt it will be pushed through.

Justin Brownlee on the other hand is now having a good status to become one. And guess what, Myles Powell has also shown interest to become a naturalized player although I'm not sure if he is serious.

What's your thought about that, guys?

I agree with LogitechMouse, it was the influence and power of politicians that makes the naturalization process of Brownlee easy but in fairness to Brownlee, IMO he deserves to be naturalized as he has been in the country for quite some time now and his skill set to be in the Gilas lineup is a good fit.

Brownlee is enough for now, that's why Miller and Powell will not be entertained this time as we have Jordan Clarkson who is the priority of them all to play in FIBA 2023 as a naturalized Filipino if he will not be counted as a local.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on November 22, 2022, 03:01:11 AM

Quote from: harizen on November 21, 2022, 06:59:38 PM

Speaking of Quincy Miller, he was also considered to become a naturalized player but I doubt it will be pushed through.

Justin Brownlee on the other hand is now having a good status to become one. And guess what, Myles Powell has also shown interest to become a naturalized player although I'm not sure if he is serious.

What's your thought about that, guys?

Brownlee is in Ginebra so it's easier for him to be naturalized. Power

It's just a rumor but in order for you to increase your chances to a naturalized player, you must play on a SMC team.

Miller and Powell are 2 great players and we've seen these 2 played very amazing and carried their respective teams this conference, but I don't think that they will be a naturalized player. Just look at McCollough. He played in the PBA and won a title with SMB, but still he's been ignored by the authorities. It's easy to say for these players that they want to be a naturalized player of Philippines but it's not that easy as 1,2,3 and it will take years like what we've seen with Brownlee. Overall, it's good to see that there are imports who wants to be a naturalized player for our country, but the chances of it to happen are very slim to no IMO.

Brownlee has been so consistent and he gives championships to his team, so I think that's already enough tests to prove how good he is and how good his chemistry with in his team. Brownlee has played with the Philippine team before already, so it's not new for him to play with Gilas, being a naturalized player makes him happy, so for sure he will play better to represent our country.

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Quote from: harizen on November 21, 2022, 06:59:38 PM

Speaking of Quincy Miller, he was also considered to become a naturalized player but I doubt it will be pushed through.

Justin Brownlee on the other hand is now having a good status to become one. And guess what, Myles Powell has also shown interest to become a naturalized player although I'm not sure if he is serious.

What's your thought about that, guys?

Brownlee is in Ginebra so it's easier for him to be naturalized. Power

It's just a rumor but in order for you to increase your chances to a naturalized player, you must play on a SMC team.

Miller and Powell are 2 great players and we've seen these 2 played very amazing and carried their respective teams this conference, but I don't think that they will be a naturalized player. Just look at McCollough. He played in the PBA and won a title with SMB, but still he's been ignored by the authorities. It's easy to say for these players that they want to be a naturalized player of Philippines but it's not that easy as 1,2,3 and it will take years like what we've seen with Brownlee. Overall, it's good to see that there are imports who wants to be a naturalized player for our country, but the chances of it to happen are very slim to no IMO.

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Quote from: harizen on November 21, 2022, 06:59:38 PM

Speaking of Quincy Miller, he was also considered to become a naturalized player but I doubt it will be pushed through.

Justin Brownlee on the other hand is now having a good status to become one. And guess what, Myles Powell has also shown interest to become a naturalized player although I'm not sure if he is serious.

What's your thought about that, guys?

Powell is a good facilitator plus a good scorer too, but I don't think he's serious about taking part with gilas, though his playing style will be fit for chot's dribble and drive system, I might go with Miller instead of him personally, same with Brownlee, Miller is a good adjustable player, he can play all the position and you will see his value when he is inside the court, he can help the gilas if ever he will proceed and process his naturalization.

Moving on with Brownlee, I'm excited to see him playing with both Japet and Scootie, then add Kai or Fajardo plus JC or Dwight.

Gilas is gaining the momentum and if they continue doing their practices and the bond among them, they will again develop that
capabilities to win and keep moving up from this competition.

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Speaking of Quincy Miller, he was also considered to become a naturalized player but I doubt it will be pushed through.

Justin Brownlee on the other hand is now having a good status to become one. And guess what, Myles Powell has also shown interest to become a naturalized player although I'm not sure if he is serious.

What's your thought about that, guys?

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Quote from: bisdak40 on November 21, 2022, 04:34:52 PM

Speaking of Miller who didn't play, i have read on my social media feed that the reason why coach Ayo didn't bother to field-in Miller because it is some sort of a punishment for him for not attending practice because he overslept due to the celebration of Miller's 30th birthday. Have coach Ayo fielded Miller, their winning streak could have not been broken yet but i think it was still a good decision to show the whole team that if anyone is messing around, they will be punished.

What a good stand by Converge as part of disciplining their players but what if that was on a crucial game, for let's say Semis or Finals?

Either way, I'm sure Miller ask permission to go to the party but just overslept because of that celebration.

Converge now sits in 4th place because of that recent loss but still, they will have the twice-to-beat advantage in the QF if they maintained that spot.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on November 21, 2022, 04:34:52 PM

My bad, I didn't bother to look at who's playing as I'm only monitoring the score via sportsbook. I could have bet the other way around if I knew that Miller didn't play in that game because on the bookies, they are the favorite to win but without an import, most likely they will lose and that's what happened.

Actually, that was a game-time decision and it seems that the punishment will not totally force. It means most bettors don't know what will be the actual situation on that game that's why I understand if you put up some money on Converge.

But I think Converge should let it go and punishment should be the other way and not a game suspension where the final seeding is now taking place and every game is necessary. It will just result in negative speculation that they are giving up their last games for an unknown reason.

Unless the PBA itself punishes the import, that needed to be followed. I understand Converge decision and that was a good example to follow on other teams but the timing is not just right for me.

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Quote from: jakelyson on November 20, 2022, 02:24:39 AM

Here is my bet for today's games:

Northport Batang Pier vs Converge Fiberxers

Since Magnolia lost against the Dragons yesterday, Converge is now tied with them at 8-2. They will want to win this game in order to clinch the top 2 and a twice-to-beat advantage in playoffs. They are in a roll win 7 wins streak and looking to extend it to 8 against the Batang Pier.

End of first half and the Batang Pier is leading by 3 point and the odds ML for Converge is @1.80 now so i'm taking it because i think they will come back and win this game against the Batang Pier and extend their winning streak.

Good luck to us.

Looks like you lost your bet because the NorthPort has a double-digit lead as of this moment and there's only 4 minutes remaining.

Maybe before you took that bet, I hope you looked the players who played in Converge. Their import Quincy Miller didn't play because they already secured themselves in the playoffs along with Bay Area and Magnolia. A winning streak is useless if your import accidentally got injured in their remaining games and it will be a disaster for the team if he will not play in the playoffs. We know that's a good decision coming from Coach Aldin Ayo not to play his import. We know how impactful import is in our league and we've seen it tonight. The Batang Pier are on their way to win this game.

My bad, I didn't bother to look at who's playing as I'm only monitoring the score via sportsbook. I could have bet the other way around if I knew that Miller didn't play in that game because on the bookies, they are the favorite to win but without an import, most likely they will lose and that's what happened.

Speaking of Miller who didn't play, i have read on my social media feed that the reason why coach Ayo didn't bother to field-in Miller because it is some sort of a punishment for him for not attending practice because he overslept due to the celebration of Miller's 30th birthday. Have coach Ayo fielded Miller, their winning streak could have not been broken yet but i think it was still a good decision to show the whole team that if anyone is messing around, they will be punished.

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You are right, you never bet against the Ginebra in a Sunday game as usually, they will win, either from a strong come back or a dominant win. I still remember when they have a strong comeback after trailing a double-digit points against the SMB, I was discourage that time because I though SMB would already get the win.

This is my mistake, even though I am a Ginebra fan, I bet on TNT that game because I thought that TNT will force a win against Ginebra. They almost did it though. Lesson learned, never bet against BGSM on a Sunday.

I already learned my lesson, good to know you did learn yours, haha.

This is what you called betting against the odds. Ginebra did a great job and plays agains TNT which I think the reason why they get the win. Ginebra most of the time get boosted by the crowd and that’s what happened here. I also have the same experience before and its fun to bet against your favorite team sometimes, you just didn’t get you luck here. Sunday game might be their luck, so this can be one of your basis the next time you place a bet.

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Quote from: jakelyson on November 21, 2022, 10:35:24 AM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on November 21, 2022, 09:32:04 AM

You are right, you never bet against the Ginebra in a Sunday game as usually, they will win, either from a strong come back or a dominant win. I still remember when they have a strong comeback after trailing a double-digit points against the SMB, I was discourage that time because I though SMB would already get the win.

This is my mistake, even though I am a Ginebra fan, I bet on TNT that game because I thought that TNT will force a win against Ginebra. They almost did it though. Lesson learned, never bet against BGSM on a Sunday.

I already learned my lesson, good to know you did learn yours, haha.

Quote from: jakelyson on November 21, 2022, 10:35:24 AM

I lost both bets this Sunday. First with Converge and then on TNT. It is just not my day.

The round-robin is almost over. There are only 12 remaining games before the playoffs begin. I guess the Bay Area Dragons are secured of their top spot and twice-to-beat advantage. Since Ginebra won the game against TNT, they bumped up to the third spot in the rankings. They have a chance to snatch the #2 spot from Magnolia if they win most of their remaining games.

Converge was on a hot streak, who would have thought they'll lose to Northport, but seems like no streak is not broken this conference, so that's okay.
I guess Dragons is gonna earn the top spot but I'm not confident enough that they'll win it all, we have Ginebra, Meralco, TNT, and SMB that might give them a problem if they'll meat in the QF, SF, or the Finals.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on November 21, 2022, 09:32:04 AM

You are right, you never bet against the Ginebra in a Sunday game as usually, they will win, either from a strong come back or a dominant win. I still remember when they have a strong comeback after trailing a double-digit points against the SMB, I was discourage that time because I though SMB would already get the win.

This is my mistake, even though I am a Ginebra fan, I bet on TNT that game because I thought that TNT will force a win against Ginebra. They almost did it though. Lesson learned, never bet against BGSM on a Sunday.

I lost both bets this Sunday. First with Converge and then on TNT. It is just not my day.

The round-robin is almost over. There are only 12 remaining games before the playoffs begin. I guess the Bay Area Dragons are secured of their top spot and twice-to-beat advantage. Since Ginebra won the game against TNT, they bumped up to the third spot in the rankings. They have a chance to snatch the #2 spot from Magnolia if they win most of their remaining games.

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Ginebra vs TNT, this game is very close at the moment.

Does anyone here know what was the point spread before the game? I missed this game actually, I like to bet live but I like to know what's the pregame better spread. Anyone here watching now?

Ginebra won the game, they had 2 bad execution in the 4th quarter with less than 1 minute in the clock.

First, Pogoy's bad pass resulted in a turnover, 2nd is the inbound pass than resulted to backcourt violation.
The game is not really for them, or Ginebra are just too good in crunch time.

Import-less TNT plus an early injured Castro, but Poguy still there to compete it was just a bad mistake with his judgement with that two important plays that might send them to OT or maybe a possible snatch, it's just so happen that the pass is not that good both when he tried to pass it with Erram and that last chance in bounding the ball but Williams with an early cramp might be so exhausted.

Cross-court violation that give the Brgy another chance to extend their lead to a two possession ball game.

Nice try TNT but, Sunday is for the Brgy fans day!

You are right, you never bet against the Ginebra in a Sunday game as usually, they will win, either from a strong come back or a dominant win. I still remember when they have a strong comeback after trailing a double-digit points against the SMB, I was discourage that time because I though SMB would already get the win.

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Looks like you lost your bet because the NorthPort has a double-digit lead as of this moment and there's only 4 minutes remaining.

Maybe before you took that bet, I hope you looked the players who played in Converge. Their import Quincy Miller didn't play because they already secured themselves in the playoffs along with Bay Area and Magnolia. A winning streak is useless if your import accidentally got injured in their remaining games and it will be a disaster for the team if he will not play in the playoffs. We know that's a good decision coming from Coach Aldin Ayo not to play his import. We know how impactful import is in our league and we've seen it tonight. The Batang Pier are on their way to win this game.

This is very important knowing that Converge is a team that really relies on their import without him inside the court is far from the performance that they can do when he is inside. His presence really changes the entire system of the team. I agree with you that the decision coach Ayo did is a good strategy to have a fresh import when playoffs start.

Winning streak is nothing if you have your best weapon because of an injury that can be avoided.

He choose his cards right allowing to give up this game and prepare for much tougher competitions.

I agree because after all, Coach Ayo has been a coach for Collegiate level basketball competition, so he knows when to let his trump cards play and when not to.

Converge really played well in their first 2 seasons. They clinched the playoffs on their first season and it's a good achievement already though they lost at the first round and now on their 2nd season, they are on the top (currently 4th) which is a good achievement. The bad thing that I'm thinking though is Converge is an independent team and we've seen how SMC and MVP are milking independent teams. I just hope that Converge will not make unbalanced trades to these 2 big teams like what other teams are doing. I see a good future with the team with their current roster (maybe a bit of trades might help the team) and their current head coach.

They need to keep the team or if possible to get more athletic players, though I understand your point, but the team is already competitive. The coaching system brings the talents to show their individual skills. They are more confident now compared with the last season and, knowing coach Ayo, he really loves seeing his players to come up and compete. He will continue to develop them and will guide those young stars to be more competitive.

Though this season the big factor is their import but with the experienced they are gaining and the familiarities with each other, they will continue to chase that title.

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 20, 2022, 06:09:04 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on November 20, 2022, 05:32:36 AM

Looks like you lost your bet because the NorthPort has a double-digit lead as of this moment and there's only 4 minutes remaining.

Maybe before you took that bet, I hope you looked the players who played in Converge. Their import Quincy Miller didn't play because they already secured themselves in the playoffs along with Bay Area and Magnolia. A winning streak is useless if your import accidentally got injured in their remaining games and it will be a disaster for the team if he will not play in the playoffs. We know that's a good decision coming from Coach Aldin Ayo not to play his import. We know how impactful import is in our league and we've seen it tonight. The Batang Pier are on their way to win this game.

This is very important knowing that Converge is a team that really relies on their import without him inside the court is far from the performance that they can do when he is inside. His presence really changes the entire system of the team. I agree with you that the decision coach Ayo did is a good strategy to have a fresh import when playoffs start.

Winning streak is nothing if you have your best weapon because of an injury that can be avoided.

He choose his cards right allowing to give up this game and prepare for much tougher competitions.

I agree because after all, Coach Ayo has been a coach for Collegiate level basketball competition, so he knows when to let his trump cards play and when not to.

Converge really played well in their first 2 seasons. They clinched the playoffs on their first season and it's a good achievement already though they lost at the first round and now on their 2nd season, they are on the top (currently 4th) which is a good achievement. The bad thing that I'm thinking though is Converge is an independent team and we've seen how SMC and MVP are milking independent teams. I just hope that Converge will not make unbalanced trades to these 2 big teams like what other teams are doing. I see a good future with the team with their current roster (maybe a bit of trades might help the team) and their current head coach.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on November 20, 2022, 08:18:44 AM

Quote from: mirakal on November 20, 2022, 07:23:55 AM

Ginebra vs TNT, this game is very close at the moment.

Does anyone here know what was the point spread before the game? I missed this game actually, I like to bet live but I like to know what's the pregame better spread. Anyone here watching now?

Ginebra won the game, they had 2 bad execution in the 4th quarter with less than 1 minute in the clock.

First, Pogoy's bad pass resulted in a turnover, 2nd is the inbound pass than resulted to backcourt violation.
The game is not really for them, or Ginebra are just too good in crunch time.

Import-less TNT plus an early injured Castro, but Poguy still there to compete it was just a bad mistake with his judgement with that two important plays that might send them to OT or maybe a possible snatch, it's just so happen that the pass is not that good both when he tried to pass it with Erram and that last chance in bounding the ball but Williams with an early cramp might be so exhausted.

Cross-court violation that give the Brgy another chance to extend their lead to a two possession ball game.

Nice try TNT but, Sunday is for the Brgy fans day!

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Quote from: mirakal on November 20, 2022, 07:23:55 AM

Ginebra vs TNT, this game is very close at the moment.

Does anyone here know what was the point spread before the game? I missed this game actually, I like to bet live but I like to know what's the pregame better spread. Anyone here watching now?

Ginebra won the game, they had 2 bad execution in the 4th quarter with less than 1 minute in the clock.

First, Pogoy's bad pass resulted in a turnover, 2nd is the inbound pass than resulted to backcourt violation.
The game is not really for them, or Ginebra are just too good in crunch time.

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