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Quote from: arwin100 on February 23, 2022, 09:57:02 AM

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Most fans have already seen how manipulative PBA is. It's always SMC and MVP teams that are like the rivals, Aces is about to be out. While there's a former team from PBA that's going to join Filbasket. It may not look like a threat for now but soon, they'll realize that there's going to be a division of market and fans from all of these leagues. We're getting the same opinion about that we're already tired of watching almost the same scenes from PBA. But it's true that it might be a long journey for both leagues, anyway, we have to see how it will go then.

For sure there will be a time for this to end if the PBA management cannot control the anomaly happening in the league, we know how huge part of this certain manipulation by big companies ao for sure in future fans will not want to watch this anymore. I don't know if PBA governors could feel the decreasing number of fans watching them so if they want to retain this business for more longer years maybe best for the management to listen the fans sentiment and they should make the league fair to the other independent teams and make the competition more higher.

I think it's all about the internals and the officials like the commissioners. I'm not accusing them but whenever there's PBA news, most of the comments that I've been reading were all blaming the comms. Well, in the first place they really have the control and they're the decision makers of how it should be and what's next with the league. But we just have to embrace the fact that it's all about business, no matter what we, the fans will voice out. It's still them that will decide for their next actions per next seasons.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on February 23, 2022, 09:58:16 AM

NLEX continues to roll while SMB are on their 2 losing streak as well.

Slowly, SMB is climbing to the ladder and they are dangerous when they are already winning games because they'll become more consistent.
As of this writing, here are the standing.

1- Magnolia 6-0 (undefeated)
2- Meralco
3- NLEX

https://pba.ph/standings

Nice record for Magnolia, they might end up undefeated in this conference. Also, a great run by SMB looks like they already found the right chemistry and everyone was really contributing, CJ was also very effective in this conference, he really has become a superstar in this league.

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NLEX continues to roll while SMB are on their 2 losing streak as well.

Slowly, SMB is climbing to the ladder and they are dangerous when they are already winning games because they'll become more consistent.
As of this writing, here are the standing.

1- Magnolia 6-0 (undefeated)
2- Meralco
3- NLEX

https://pba.ph/standings

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Quote from: blockman on February 23, 2022, 09:17:21 AM

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Quote from: blockman on February 22, 2022, 03:15:15 PM

Guys, another news that I've seen. This is legit but not from PBA, I would connect this news as a threat to PBA. It's from the official FB page of Filbasket.
They're now going pro as they've said on that post and GAB have given them the license to become a pro league on March 15.
(https://www.facebook.com/filbasketph/photos/a.104182888615597/167131432320742)
They also have a guest team from Malaysia. Check them out on their page and you'll see that news. I think this is a threat for PBA that having now a two new pro league in our country, the other is MPBL.

I don't think that those other basketball league is a threat to the PBA because the latter has a strong foundation of its existence financially. We have seen other leagues before and they say they are a threat to PBA but they just can't sustain their existence due to the fact that running a basketball league is so costly.

MPBL and especially FilBasket still have a long journey to catch before they can even say that these new pro leagues will be a threat to the PBA. I mean, these new pro leagues are just founded recently compared to the roots of PBA that will celebrate its 50th and golden year since it was founded this coming 2025. We will see if they can keep up for at least a decade.

Most fans have already seen how manipulative PBA is. It's always SMC and MVP teams that are like the rivals, Aces is about to be out. While there's a former team from PBA that's going to join Filbasket. It may not look like a threat for now but soon, they'll realize that there's going to be a division of market and fans from all of these leagues. We're getting the same opinion about that we're already tired of watching almost the same scenes from PBA. But it's true that it might be a long journey for both leagues, anyway, we have to see how it will go then.

For sure there will be a time for this to end if the PBA management cannot control the anomaly happening in the league, we know how huge part of this certain manipulation by big companies ao for sure in future fans will not want to watch this anymore. I don't know if PBA governors could feel the decreasing number of fans watching them so if they want to retain this business for more longer years maybe best for the management to listen the fans sentiment and they should make the league fair to the other independent teams and make the competition more higher.

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Quote from: agustina2 on February 22, 2022, 06:58:37 PM

To answer that, I will only be based on what I think about. Why does it only happen now? It's because Koreans are the ones who opened up the idea first that's why a partnership is expected to happen.

About Alaska suddenly deciding to sell their franchise, NO it's not suddenly but it takes a long time before they decide to do it. No one knows the real story. Refer to the news and just buy their statement. Any reasons that they never tell in their statement will be considered as guesses.

Everything outside their statement is just their own opinions and speculations. Whatever it is, we as fans can give our own opinions.

But the real score on why they decided to end up their franchise ownership will remain between them and the League governors.

We are only speculating without any solid or supporting evidence, let them move forward and if there are other reasons aside from what

they are saying let the future reveal itself.

Yes, you are right all people who love to watch Philippine Basketball Association have their own opinions to share about this topic. We all know that PBA runs for a long time and almost 59 years in services. but all the decision is from the management of this leage, and all we need to do it wait for further notice from them.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on February 23, 2022, 04:36:03 AM

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Quote from: blockman on February 22, 2022, 03:15:15 PM

Guys, another news that I've seen. This is legit but not from PBA, I would connect this news as a threat to PBA. It's from the official FB page of Filbasket.
They're now going pro as they've said on that post and GAB have given them the license to become a pro league on March 15.
(https://www.facebook.com/filbasketph/photos/a.104182888615597/167131432320742)
They also have a guest team from Malaysia. Check them out on their page and you'll see that news. I think this is a threat for PBA that having now a two new pro league in our country, the other is MPBL.

I don't think that those other basketball league is a threat to the PBA because the latter has a strong foundation of its existence financially. We have seen other leagues before and they say they are a threat to PBA but they just can't sustain their existence due to the fact that running a basketball league is so costly.

MPBL and especially FilBasket still have a long journey to catch before they can even say that these new pro leagues will be a threat to the PBA. I mean, these new pro leagues are just founded recently compared to the roots of PBA that will celebrate its 50th and golden year since it was founded this coming 2025. We will see if they can keep up for at least a decade.

Most fans have already seen how manipulative PBA is. It's always SMC and MVP teams that are like the rivals, Aces is about to be out. While there's a former team from PBA that's going to join Filbasket. It may not look like a threat for now but soon, they'll realize that there's going to be a division of market and fans from all of these leagues. We're getting the same opinion about that we're already tired of watching almost the same scenes from PBA. But it's true that it might be a long journey for both leagues, anyway, we have to see how it will go then.

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Quote from: Distinctin on February 22, 2022, 11:51:57 AM

Quote from: harizen on February 21, 2022, 06:24:29 PM

Quote from: Distinctin on February 19, 2022, 01:18:54 PM

PBA is already at the brink of extinction, we can't really deny that and that is exactly why they are now open to accept some foreign investments to form a team in the PBA now. Maybe if they succeed on this plans, PBA will continue but I think this won't go for long and it won't be the same league that we used to see.

"Brink of extinction" is a hard statement. Seems like you guys didn't actually follow the league. I hope it's just a figure of speech. Can you explain more why PBA is now on brink of extinction? They can even operate without getting much revenue since the pandemic. Having on a brink of extinction means PBA can't sustain its operation. Even PBA is not used to getting a much number of viewers, they have a large foundation. You guys definitely take the KBL partnership as a negative thing without even knowing what should we expect from it. Don't speculate negative things early but instead enjoy the game and betting.

Please use another choice of words the next time you describe the current status of the league. It's no doubt the league has a problem but being in extinction is definitely out of the topic.

Pardon for my choice of words, brink of extinction means that the league is already in the danger situation but that doesn't mean that they only have few years left because they still have a chance to make the league great again like it was used to be. And yes it was just a figure of speech mate, no need to make it a big deal. Revenue is not a problem in the PBA as it is still the most sought after and most watched league locally, for now. About the KBL, it is not yet tested and proven the the deal was indeed worth it. Besides, why do you think KBL decides to extend its arms?

Nevertheless, I'm still enjoying the games and betting to it Grin

Point taken. It's no secret that the league does have a problem but for sure, they can address it in the long run.

First with a big company that left in the league. With lots of companies willing to buy the franchise rights that Alaska left, they might be able to cover what this team left within several years in the making. If the league is deteriorating as a whole, no companies will risk buying a team in the league. It means the overall market is big and the opportunity to be part of it is a big opportunity to get in instead of signing a new fresh team.

Second, the KBL partnership will tighten the strength of 2 countries that want to be competitive in Asian Basketball. Also, an opportunity for our local players that might actually play overseas. I don't really have much information on what the partnership is all about but I'm sure it's good and can benefit both leagues.

Quote from: Distinctin on February 22, 2022, 11:51:57 AM

About the KBL, it is not yet tested and proven the the deal was indeed worth it. Besides, why do you think KBL decides to extend its arms?

There's no testing yet since obviously, there's no final deal that was arranged yet as we speak.

We can fully give our real feedback about that, not speculated ones, once it was already take place.

Same here mate

We already knows that the league have some management issues and other minor problems, but that doesn't mean that they don't have anywhere to go and been given a verdict. Like the most of us, I'm also rooting that they can resolve these things especially now that KBL was the one who approached and offered a deal to the PBA. Hope things will go well with these partnership.

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There's no testing yet since obviously, there's no final deal that was arranged yet as we speak.
We can fully give our real feedback about that, not speculated ones, once it was already take place.

We will definitely find out soon and we can conclude after then.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on February 22, 2022, 04:14:47 PM

Quote from: blockman on February 22, 2022, 03:15:15 PM

Guys, another news that I've seen. This is legit but not from PBA, I would connect this news as a threat to PBA. It's from the official FB page of Filbasket.
They're now going pro as they've said on that post and GAB have given them the license to become a pro league on March 15.
(https://www.facebook.com/filbasketph/photos/a.104182888615597/167131432320742)
They also have a guest team from Malaysia. Check them out on their page and you'll see that news. I think this is a threat for PBA that having now a two new pro league in our country, the other is MPBL.

I don't think that those other basketball league is a threat to the PBA because the latter has a strong foundation of its existence financially. We have seen other leagues before and they say they are a threat to PBA but they just can't sustain their existence due to the fact that running a basketball league is so costly.

MPBL and especially FilBasket still have a long journey to catch before they can even say that these new pro leagues will be a threat to the PBA. I mean, these new pro leagues are just founded recently compared to the roots of PBA that will celebrate its 50th and golden year since it was founded this coming 2025. We will see if they can keep up for at least a decade.

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Quote from: agustina2 on February 22, 2022, 06:58:37 PM

To answer that, I will only be based on what I think about. Why does it only happen now? It's because Koreans are the ones who opened up the idea first that's why a partnership is expected to happen.

About Alaska suddenly deciding to sell their franchise, NO it's not suddenly but it takes a long time before they decide to do it. No one knows the real story. Refer to the news and just buy their statement. Any reasons that they never tell in their statement will be considered as guesses.

Everything outside their statement is just own opinions and speculations. Whatever it is, we as fans can give our own opinions.

But the real score on why they decided to end up their franchise ownership will remain between them and the League governors.

We are only speculating without any solid or supporting evidences, let them move forward and if there's other reasons aside from what

they are saying let future reveal itself..

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Quote from: Questat on February 22, 2022, 09:15:00 AM

Quote from: agustina2 on February 21, 2022, 06:59:00 PM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on February 21, 2022, 07:22:43 AM

They know that the popularity of the league is slowly declining already because of lack of competitiveness that they also are the reasons why it happened.
Either way, there is no other choice but to accept teams and offers outside PH just to make the league survive.

The popularity is not declining but instead, the number of viewers is the one affected. If you reading some sports page on Facebook groups and pages, the number of comments from the fans for every news, article, or scoops are still having great numbers.

Let's wait first for what's behind the partnership. It's a good development as far as PBA Marcial says. If it will give a negative thing about the league, they will not go into a partnership. These people behind PBA are not dumb to just be in a partnership without an advantage. These are professionals in making business.

But why it has only happened now? And why did Alaska suddenly decide to sell their franchise after so long? And why did Blackwater owner say in the past that he is gonna sell his team?.... I guess it will add up the story, team owners aside from SMC and Pangilinan are not happy.

To answer that, I will only be based on what I think about. Why does it only happen now? It's because Koreans are the ones who opened up the idea first that's why a partnership is expected to happen.

About Alaska suddenly deciding to sell their franchise, NO it's not suddenly but it takes a long time before they decide to do it. No one knows the real story. Refer to the news and just buy their statement. Any reasons that they never tell in their statement will be considered as guesses.

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Quote from: Distinctin on February 22, 2022, 11:51:57 AM

Quote from: harizen on February 21, 2022, 06:24:29 PM

Quote from: Distinctin on February 19, 2022, 01:18:54 PM

PBA is already at the brink of extinction, we can't really deny that and that is exactly why they are now open to accept some foreign investments to form a team in the PBA now. Maybe if they succeed on this plans, PBA will continue but I think this won't go for long and it won't be the same league that we used to see.

"Brink of extinction" is a hard statement. Seems like you guys didn't actually follow the league. I hope it's just a figure of speech. Can you explain more why PBA is now on brink of extinction? They can even operate without getting much revenue since the pandemic. Having on a brink of extinction means PBA can't sustain its operation. Even PBA is not used to getting a much number of viewers, they have a large foundation. You guys definitely take the KBL partnership as a negative thing without even knowing what should we expect from it. Don't speculate negative things early but instead enjoy the game and betting.

Please use another choice of words the next time you describe the current status of the league. It's no doubt the league has a problem but being in extinction is definitely out of the topic.

Pardon for my choice of words, brink of extinction means that the league is already in the danger situation but that doesn't mean that they only have few years left because they still have a chance to make the league great again like it was used to be. And yes it was just a figure of speech mate, no need to make it a big deal. Revenue is not a problem in the PBA as it is still the most sought after and most watched league locally, for now. About the KBL, it is not yet tested and proven the the deal was indeed worth it. Besides, why do you think KBL decides to extend its arms?

Nevertheless, I'm still enjoying the games and betting to it Grin

Point taken. It's no secret that the league does have a problem but for sure, they can address it in the long run.

First with a big company that left in the league. With lots of companies willing to buy the franchise rights that Alaska left, they might be able to cover what this team left within several years in the making. If the league is deteriorating as a whole, no companies will risk buying a team in the league. It means the overall market is big and the opportunity to be part of it is a big opportunity to get in instead of signing a new fresh team.

Second, the KBL partnership will tighten the strength of 2 countries that want to be competitive in Asian Basketball. Also, an opportunity for our local players that might actually play overseas. I don't really have much information on what the partnership is all about but I'm sure it's good and can benefit both leagues.

Quote from: Distinctin on February 22, 2022, 11:51:57 AM

About the KBL, it is not yet tested and proven the the deal was indeed worth it. Besides, why do you think KBL decides to extend its arms?

There's no testing yet since obviously, there's no final deal that was arranged yet as we speak.

We can fully give our real feedback about that, not speculated ones, once it was already take place.

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Quote from: Distinctin on February 22, 2022, 11:51:57 AM

brink of extinction means that the league is already in the danger situation

I can't understand why the league is in a dangerous situation. Alaska leaving the PBA does have a big effect but it's not only by that should be the main reason why the league will be in danger. Maybe if all teams outside SMC will left, that's the dangerous situation we can consider. Looking at several years way back, the popularity and viewers' setup of the PBA is still good.

If you remember an article last 2019, there's a report where PBA hit a very good revenue that year and they reveal those amounts and expect to have it doubled the other year, 2020, but unfortunately, the pandemic happened.

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Quote from: Questat on February 22, 2022, 09:15:00 AM

And why did Blackwater owner say in the past that he is gonna sell his team?

That plan is just a product of disappointment since the Blackwater CEO's ego was hit by the PBA since they think they won't have a violation for doing practice while it's not allowed during pandemic. That's the reason why after that violation, Blackwater suddenly announced that they will sell the franchise.

Look at what happened in the upcoming days and weeks after that plan, the CEO become cool and goes back to his usual self and didn't push selling the franchise. That's the story and not related to the PBA politics like what you are thinking I believe.

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Quote from: blockman on February 22, 2022, 03:15:15 PM

Guys, another news that I've seen. This is legit but not from PBA, I would connect this news as a threat to PBA. It's from the official FB page of Filbasket.
They're now going pro as they've said on that post and GAB have given them the license to become a pro league on March 15.
(https://www.facebook.com/filbasketph/photos/a.104182888615597/167131432320742)
They also have a guest team from Malaysia. Check them out on their page and you'll see that news. I think this is a threat for PBA that having now a two new pro league in our country, the other is MPBL.

I don't think that those other basketball league is a threat to the PBA because the latter has a strong foundation of its existence financially. We have seen other leagues before and they say they are a threat to PBA but they just can't sustain their existence due to the fact that running a basketball league is so costly.

Games for today:

NLEX ML @2.19 vs Alaska, the Aces may be hot but i think they are bound to lose to the Road Warriors.

SMB -4.5 @1.91 vs NorthPort, Orlando Johnson will come strong for sure to prove to the management that he is worth for their money Grin

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Guys, another news that I've seen. This is legit but not from PBA, I would connect this news as a threat to PBA. It's from the official FB page of Filbasket.
They're now going pro as they've said on that post and GAB have given them the license to become a pro league on March 15.
(https://www.facebook.com/filbasketph/photos/a.104182888615597/167131432320742)
They also have a guest team from Malaysia. Check them out on their page and you'll see that news. I think this is a threat for PBA that having now a two new pro league in our country, the other is MPBL.

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Quote from: agustina2 on February 21, 2022, 06:59:00 PM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on February 21, 2022, 07:22:43 AM

They know that the popularity of the league is slowly declining already because of lack of competitiveness that they also are the reasons why it happened.
Either way, there is no other choice but to accept teams and offers outside PH just to make the league survive.

The popularity is not declining but instead, the number of viewers is the one affected. If you reading some sports page on Facebook groups and pages, the number of comments from the fans for every news, article, or scoops are still having great numbers.

Let's wait first for what's behind the partnership. It's a good development as far as PBA Marcial says. If it will give a negative thing about the league, they will not go into a partnership. These people behind PBA are not dumb to just be in a partnership without an advantage. These are professionals in making business.

Indeed! The PBA will always be the #1 in terms of popularity and it will remain that way as it is the first professional basketball league ever introduced here locally, and yes there are some issues inside-out of the league and other factors that is why the number of viewers will be affected especially now that there is no more Alaska Aces. Hopefully, this new deal with the KBL will go strong so that they can add new flavors in the league.

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Quote from: harizen on February 21, 2022, 06:24:29 PM

Quote from: Distinctin on February 19, 2022, 01:18:54 PM

PBA is already at the brink of extinction, we can't really deny that and that is exactly why they are now open to accept some foreign investments to form a team in the PBA now. Maybe if they succeed on this plans, PBA will continue but I think this won't go for long and it won't be the same league that we used to see.

"Brink of extinction" is a hard statement. Seems like you guys didn't actually follow the league. I hope it's just a figure of speech. Can you explain more why PBA is now on brink of extinction? They can even operate without getting much revenue since the pandemic. Having on a brink of extinction means PBA can't sustain its operation. Even PBA is not used to getting a much number of viewers, they have a large foundation. You guys definitely take the KBL partnership as a negative thing without even knowing what should we expect from it. Don't speculate negative things early but instead enjoy the game and betting.

Please use another choice of words the next time you describe the current status of the league. It's no doubt the league has a problem but being in extinction is definitely out of the topic.

Pardon for my choice of words, brink of extinction means that the league is already in the danger situation but that doesn't mean that they only have few years left because they still have a chance to make the league great again like it was used to be. And yes it was just a figure of speech mate, no need to make it a big deal. Revenue is not a problem in the PBA as it is still the most sought after and most watched league locally, for now. About the KBL, it is not yet tested and proven the the deal was indeed worth it. Besides, why do you think KBL decides to extend its arms?

Nevertheless, I'm still enjoying the games and betting to it Grin

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Quote from: agustina2 on February 21, 2022, 06:59:00 PM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on February 21, 2022, 07:22:43 AM

They know that the popularity of the league is slowly declining already because of lack of competitiveness that they also are the reasons why it happened.
Either way, there is no other choice but to accept teams and offers outside PH just to make the league survive.

The popularity is not declining but instead, the number of viewers is the one affected. If you reading some sports page on Facebook groups and pages, the number of comments from the fans for every news, article, or scoops are still having great numbers.

Let's wait first for what's behind the partnership. It's a good development as far as PBA Marcial says. If it will give a negative thing about the league, they will not go into a partnership. These people behind PBA are not dumb to just be in a partnership without an advantage. These are professionals in making business.

But why it has only happened now? And why did Alaska suddenly decide to sell their franchise after so long? And why did Blackwater owner say in the past that he is gonna sell his team?.... I guess it will add up the story, team owners aside from SMC and Pangilinan are not happy.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on February 21, 2022, 07:22:43 AM

They know that the popularity of the league is slowly declining already because of lack of competitiveness that they also are the reasons why it happened.
Either way, there is no other choice but to accept teams and offers outside PH just to make the league survive.

The popularity is not declining but instead, the number of viewers is the one affected. If you reading some sports page on Facebook groups and pages, the number of comments from the fans for every news, article, or scoops are still having great numbers.

Let's wait first for what's behind the partnership. It's a good development as far as PBA Marcial says. If it will give a negative thing about the league, they will not go into a partnership. These people behind PBA are not dumb to just be in a partnership without an advantage. These are professionals in making business.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on February 19, 2022, 04:28:39 PM

Even without the Beast, Magnolia is still wreaking havoc. That's a very hard question for now on who will give them the first lose. TNT is the team that i think could beat them but they already have met and Magnolia defeated them so i think will advance to the semis without a single lose.

The remaining games of Magnolia are against:

vs. Northport Feb 24
vs. SMB Feb 27
vs. Meralco Mar 02
vs. Alaska Mar 06
vs. Blackwater Mar 09

They seem at their best if their opponent is also the best team. Therefore, I conclude that BlackWater will give them their single defeat this season. (-_-)

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