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Quote from: Shamm on January 12, 2022, 12:51:11 PM

Quote from: Kelvinid on January 12, 2022, 09:19:03 AM

In the Philippines, the minimum wage was not even Php 1k per day in 8 hours of work. Grin

Yes, that's true, and I think that is one of the reasons why some Filipinos choose to work/play in other countries. Like some PBA players who want to play in other country. some of them aiming a high-profit salary and some of them, They play cause they want to prove that PBA Filipino players can fight and win even though they are small players.

Indeed, but these cases are rare because most of the players in the Philippines wants to join the PBA as it's the highest basketball league locally. And for others, well, we can't really blame them for pursuing their basketball dreams overseas as they can get paid more while showcasing their talents outside.

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In the Philippines the minimum wage was not even Php 1k per day in 8 hours or work. Grin

This is one of the reasons why I don't want to work in the Capital City of PH which is Metro Manila.
The cost of living there is very high compare to the salary you are getting. If you only have one source of income in the family and you are only earning minimum wage which is more or less 10$ per day then it will not be enough. This depends of course in some factors like how thrifty the family is or how good they are in terms of budgeting their money or how can they add another income source to sustain their everyday lives.

As for me, I'd choose to stay in our province rather than living in the city. The cost of living is lower compare to a city though the salary is lower. There are many ways to earn online right now so income source isn't a problem at least for me. I just hope that there would be a bit of a salary increase after the 2022 Elections.

Business is the solution to this problem, we will never be contented with what we earn because our lifestyle will also change and that means our budget will increase as well. As for the players, they are making good salary but if they don't know how to manage their funds, they'll end up bankrupt. I admire those who retired from PBA and after retirement they focus on their business, they are the right model to be followed.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on January 12, 2022, 09:19:03 AM

In the Philippines the minimum wage was not even Php 1k per day in 8 hours or work. Grin

This is one of the reasons why I don't want to work in the Capital City of PH which is Metro Manila.
The cost of living there is very high compare to the salary you are getting. If you only have one source of income in the family and you are only earning minimum wage which is more or less 10$ per day then it will not be enough. This depends of course in some factors like how thrifty the family is or how good they are in terms of budgeting their money or how can they add another income source to sustain their everyday lives.

As for me, I'd choose to stay in our province rather than living in the city. The cost of living is lower compare to a city though the salary is lower. There are many ways to earn online right now so income source isn't a problem at least for me. I just hope that there would be a bit of a salary increase after the 2022 Elections.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on January 12, 2022, 03:51:20 PM

Did you know guys that it is not only the players that are getting offers from the Japan B-league? Rumors have it that coach Chito Victolero had an offer to gauge his coaching talent to the said league.

Yes, I've read that recently. My own view of that is, since he's a Coach, the expectation of that Japan B-league team that seems interested to him might be big and crucial. It's a lot of money in return for him but it's not sure if it's for long-term. The standing of that team every season plays also a big role in his coaching career there. However, if he becomes successful there, he should brace himself for the spectacular reward in return. There are only a few Filipino coaches who are getting an offer like that.

I understand that he is now in deep thinking now since making business in SMC Corporation is already life insurance. SMC Corp. is also the main reason why he started to become an official head coach of a PBA team. They are the ones who give Victolero that big opportunity and never replaced him as a head coach since 2016.

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Quote from: Fredomago on January 12, 2022, 06:04:29 PM

Quote from: Japinat on January 12, 2022, 05:01:32 PM

No, I have no idea about that. I guess if players are getting a lot of money, for sure the coaches are getting bigger, however, I don't think coach Victolero would bite the offer as he is already in a good team and good management where he can secure his retirement as long as his team will continue to be competitive.

That's new to my ears, not sure but Japan B-League is really trying to bring our talents to their country not just the players but also coaches, it's not impossible since they have all the resources and by looking with how Coach Victolero is doing right now interest is very possible to happen, he can share his views with players and he can add his talent to help any team from B-League.

But same with how you look at it, he's now with SMB corp. Long-term relationship wise, he can retire with a much more secure future.

Also, there's no assurance that he will stay longer as he is playing like an import coach where the contract could be short-term if the team does are not satisfied with his coaching performance. The bigger league has bigger competition, so it's a risk for him if he will take the offer.

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Quote from: Japinat on January 12, 2022, 05:01:32 PM

No, I have no idea about that. I guess if players are getting a lot of money, for sure the coaches are getting bigger, however, I don't think coach Victolero would bite the offer as he is already in a good team and good management where he can secure his retirement as long as his team will continue to be competitive.

That's new to my ears, not sure but Japan B-League is really trying to bring our talents to their country not just the players but also coaches, it's not impossible since they have all the resources and by looking with how Coach Victolero is doing right now interest is very possible to happen, he can share his views with players and he can add his talent to help any team from B-League.

But same with how you look at it, he's now with SMB corp. Long-term relationship wise, he can retire with a much more secure future.

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Quote from: Shamm on January 12, 2022, 12:51:11 PM

Quote from: Kelvinid on January 12, 2022, 09:19:03 AM

In the Philippines, the minimum wage was not even Php 1k per day in 8 hours of work. Grin

Yes, that's true, and I think that is one of the reasons why some Filipinos choose to work/play in other countries. Like some PBA players who want to play in other country. some of them aiming a high-profit salary and some of them, They play cause they want to prove that PBA Filipino players can fight and win even though they are small players.

The reason is all about better opportunity and higher salary. That's all that matters to them especially the younger players, they have a better future for choosing to play in other leagues like B League.
They're securing themselves there and likely to stay there for long and eventually get into another offer that they might be discovered by other scouters.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on January 12, 2022, 03:51:20 PM

Quote from: Shamm on January 12, 2022, 12:51:11 PM

Quote from: Kelvinid on January 12, 2022, 09:19:03 AM

In the Philippines, the minimum wage was not even Php 1k per day in 8 hours of work. Grin

Yes, that's true, and I think that is one of the reasons why some Filipinos choose to work/play in other countries. Like some PBA players who want to play in other country. some of them aiming a high-profit salary and some of them, They play cause they want to prove that PBA Filipino players can fight and win even though they are small players.

Even if you can't bring your talent to the other leagues overseas, playing in the PBA is every Filipino cagers dream because even if you are not the star player, you could still earn enough money that could change your life even if you can only play for a few years.

Did you know guys that it is not only the players that are getting offers from the Japan B-league? Rumors have it that coach Chito Victolero had an offer to gauge his coaching talent to the said league.

Damn, this Japan B-league is serious enough to expand their league and do whatever necessary to improve, it is understandable because they have the money to do it.

No, I have no idea about that. I guess if players are getting a lot of money, for sure the coaches are getting bigger, however, I don't think coach Victolero would bite the offer as he is already in a good team and good management where he can secure his retirement as long as his team will continue to be competitive.

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Quote from: Shamm on January 12, 2022, 12:51:11 PM

Quote from: Kelvinid on January 12, 2022, 09:19:03 AM

In the Philippines, the minimum wage was not even Php 1k per day in 8 hours of work. Grin

Yes, that's true, and I think that is one of the reasons why some Filipinos choose to work/play in other countries. Like some PBA players who want to play in other country. some of them aiming a high-profit salary and some of them, They play cause they want to prove that PBA Filipino players can fight and win even though they are small players.

Even if you can't bring your talent to the other leagues overseas, playing in the PBA is every Filipino cagers dream because even if you are not the star player, you could still earn enough money that could change your life even if you can only play for a few years.

Did you know guys that it is not only the players that are getting offers from the Japan B-league? Rumors have it that coach Chito Victolero had an offer to gauge his coaching talent to the said league.

Damn, this Japan B-league is serious enough to expand their league and do whatever necessary to improve, it is understandable because they have the money to do it.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on January 12, 2022, 09:19:03 AM

In the Philippines, the minimum wage was not even Php 1k per day in 8 hours of work. Grin

Yes, that's true, and I think that is one of the reasons why some Filipinos choose to work/play in other countries. Like some PBA players who want to play in other country. some of them aiming a high-profit salary and some of them, They play cause they want to prove that PBA Filipino players can fight and win even though they are small players.

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Quote from: Shamm on January 12, 2022, 02:48:58 AM

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Quote from: crzy on January 11, 2022, 03:57:29 PM

Our local teams can’t afford to pay that much especially if you’re not the ace player so it's not good to compare salaries since they all have different basketball skills, lucky to those who can play abroad that means to me, other country sees their true potential. PBA is way better I believe, many still want to stay though.

And even comparing salaries, if that player is not that well-performing, no matter how they dislike their salary in PBA, they won't even get an offer to play abroad. Only a few are getting the opportunity and it's not a usual job where a player will just have to apply and hope to be accepted.

These players who are not well-performing in the PBA are still lucky since they will always have a contract no matter what unless on their retiring age. Still lucky compare to other players that didn't have a chance to be drafted in PBA.

Yes you are right there mate comparing the salaries between here in the Philippines and another country is too far, another country offer such a big amount if converted it to Philippine money. And yes the players who have an opportunity to play abroad is selected and few of our PBA players is lucky enough to be selected and they deserve that kind of opportunity cause those players have done a good thing here in PBA and not just good they are Star player also.

Even on the employment rate there's a huge difference.

As for this article, the salary or the minimum per hour is equivalent to 8.4 USD or 420 PHP using 1 USD =50 PHP conversion rate.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Japan-panel-seeks-record-28-yen-rise-in-minimum-wage-to-930-yen

In the Philippines the minimum wage was not even Php 1k per day in 8 hours or work. Grin

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on January 12, 2022, 04:00:30 AM

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Quote from: crzy on January 11, 2022, 03:57:29 PM

Our local teams can’t afford to pay that much especially if you’re not the ace player so it's not good to compare salaries since they all have different basketball skills, lucky to those who can play abroad that means to me, other country sees their true potential. PBA is way better I believe, many still want to stay though.

And even comparing salaries, if that player is not that well-performing, no matter how they dislike their salary in PBA, they won't even get an offer to play abroad. Only a few are getting the opportunity and it's not a usual job where a player will just have to apply and hope to be accepted.

These players who are not well-performing in the PBA are still lucky since they will always have a contract no matter what unless on their retiring age. Still lucky compare to other players that didn't have a chance to be drafted in PBA.

Yes you are right there mate comparing the salaries between here in the Philippines and another country is too far, another country offer such a big amount if converted it to Philippine money. And yes the players who have an opportunity to play abroad is selected and few of our PBA players is lucky enough to be selected and they deserve that kind of opportunity cause those players have done a good thing here in PBA and not just good they are Star player also.

They are also in a big market and another big opportunity may come. Our players are most valuable in Asia, however, if they play an impressive basketball, it's also possible that they may be able to play in Europe league, maybe it's too far from reality but I think it's possible.

I think playing in Euro League is too much of an expectation, players there are too tall and strong, no PBA players will have a chance when they have a lot of good players playing to fill any vacancy on a certain team. Kail Sotto played in Australia (not Europe) but if he is not 7 footer there's no chance he will play there, and I also don't hear a hype of his name.

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Quote from: Shamm on January 12, 2022, 02:48:58 AM

Quote from: chaser15 on January 11, 2022, 06:09:15 PM

Quote from: crzy on January 11, 2022, 03:57:29 PM

Our local teams can’t afford to pay that much especially if you’re not the ace player so it's not good to compare salaries since they all have different basketball skills, lucky to those who can play abroad that means to me, other country sees their true potential. PBA is way better I believe, many still want to stay though.

And even comparing salaries, if that player is not that well-performing, no matter how they dislike their salary in PBA, they won't even get an offer to play abroad. Only a few are getting the opportunity and it's not a usual job where a player will just have to apply and hope to be accepted.

These players who are not well-performing in the PBA are still lucky since they will always have a contract no matter what unless on their retiring age. Still lucky compare to other players that didn't have a chance to be drafted in PBA.

Yes you are right there mate comparing the salaries between here in the Philippines and another country is too far, another country offer such a big amount if converted it to Philippine money. And yes the players who have an opportunity to play abroad is selected and few of our PBA players is lucky enough to be selected and they deserve that kind of opportunity cause those players have done a good thing here in PBA and not just good they are Star player also.

They are also in a big market and another big opportunity may come. Our players are most valuable in Asia, however, if they play an impressive basketball, it's also possible that they may be able to play in Europe league, maybe it's too far from reality but I think it's possible.

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Quote from: chaser15 on January 11, 2022, 06:09:15 PM

Quote from: crzy on January 11, 2022, 03:57:29 PM

Our local teams can’t afford to pay that much especially if you’re not the ace player so it's not good to compare salaries since they all have different basketball skills, lucky to those who can play abroad that means to me, other country sees their true potential. PBA is way better I believe, many still want to stay though.

And even comparing salaries, if that player is not that well-performing, no matter how they dislike their salary in PBA, they won't even get an offer to play abroad. Only a few are getting the opportunity and it's not a usual job where a player will just have to apply and hope to be accepted.

These players who are not well-performing in the PBA are still lucky since they will always have a contract no matter what unless on their retiring age. Still lucky compare to other players that didn't have a chance to be drafted in PBA.

Yes you are right there mate comparing the salaries between here in the Philippines and another country is too far, another country offer such a big amount if converted it to Philippine money. And yes the players who have an opportunity to play abroad is selected and few of our PBA players is lucky enough to be selected and they deserve that kind of opportunity cause those players have done a good thing here in PBA and not just good they are Star player also.

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Quote from: crzy on January 11, 2022, 03:57:29 PM

Our local teams can’t really afford to pay that much especially if you’re not the ace player so its not good to compare salaries since they all have different skills in basketball, lucky to those who can play abroad that means to me, other country sees their true potential. PBA is way better I believe, many still want to stay though.

And even comparing salaries, if that player is not that well-performing, no matter how they dislike their salary in PBA, they won't even get an offer to play abroad. Only a few are getting the opportunity and it's not a usual job where a player will just have to apply and hope to be accepted.

These players who are not well-performing in the PBA are still lucky since they will always have a contract no matter what unless on their retiring age. Still lucky compare to other players that didn't have a chance to be drafted in PBA.

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Quote from: harizen on January 11, 2022, 04:05:51 PM

Quote from: Johnyz on January 11, 2022, 03:43:06 PM

PBA should not be more strict on this though, give their players a chance to play abroad,

They are not strict as long as "everything is on the contract". No breaching or anything else. Since when did PBA strict their players to go abroad? Do you mean the issue of Kiefer Ravena? His camp already admitted that they are the ones to blame for why PBA takes an action. Kiefer sign a contract before that he won't play abroad but look at how PBA still grants the request.

Or do you have any other examples?

Exactly, I was thinking that Kiefer would not be able to play abroad but the PBA was so kind to allow him to play abroad. I guess they are supporting players in they want a greener pasture, in abroad they'll make more money but if you have a good record in the PBA you'll always have a home to return with if you are done abroad.

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But probably they'll earn more if they are consistent in the Finals and of course more if they win the Finals. So maybe some players prefer to stay in the PBA despite the huge offers outside because they might be assured of their security in the future rather than playing outside where a player could only get a short term contract and of course high pressure since they are one of the imports.

This could be scenario and that’s why every team is doing their best to go the finals since it is more rewarding for them to reach that position and also that could boost their morale. Some players are not allowed to play to other league though, that’s why they are staying with PBA and of course if they leave, they might not be able to join again. When this lockdown ends, hoping to see more new players to come in PBA.

It's not about players are not allowed but are these players even got an offer to play abroad?

Only those who are well-performing in the league are getting the offer and still, only a few got an offer. Even some PBA players want to play abroad, if the scout of other leagues is not interested, then it will remain as a dream.

Not aware of a not that popular in PBA that got an offer to play abroad.

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Quote from: Johnyz on January 11, 2022, 03:43:06 PM

PBA should not be more strict on this though, give their players a chance to play abroad,

They are not strict as long as "everything is on the contract". No breaching or anything else. Since when did PBA strict their players to go abroad? Do you mean the issue of Kiefer Ravena? His camp already admitted that they are the ones to blame for why PBA takes an action. Kiefer sign a contract before that he won't play abroad but look at how PBA still grants the request.

Or do you have any other examples?

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Quote from: Yamifoud on January 10, 2022, 03:48:35 PM

But probably they'll earn more if they are consistent in the Finals and of course more if they win the Finals. So maybe some players prefer to stay in the PBA despite the huge offers outside because they might be assured of their security in the future rather than playing outside where a player could only get a short term contract and of course high pressure since they are one of the imports.

This could be scenario and that’s why every team is doing their best to go the finals since it is more rewarding for them to reach that position and also that could boost their morale. Some players are not allowed to play to other league though, that’s why they are staying with PBA and of course if they leave, they might not be able to join again. When this lockdown ends, hoping to see more new players to come in PBA.

That's always the scenario, every season there are new players added in the PBA as they are drafting players, but those players who are playing with Japan's B-League, I guess it will take time before they can come back especially if they are playing well in that league as the salary gap is very huge, they'll prefer to stay for sure.

Even if we are a better country compare to Japan, many of our local players still choose to play there and simply because the offer is too good to decline, beside PBA is full of politics most of the time, and we cannot blame those players who chooses to play abroad. PBA should not be more strict on this though, give their players a chance to play abroad, that could still be a huge exposure for them which can benefit to their local teams later on.

Players still have to respect their contract with PBA, and if their team didn’t allow them to play abroad, that’s fine at least you still have the chance to play. Our local teams can’t really afford to pay that much especially if you’re not the ace player so its not good to compare salaries since they all have different skills in basketball, lucky to those who can play abroad that means to me, other country sees their true potential. PBA is way better I believe, many still want to stay though.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on January 10, 2022, 03:48:35 PM

Quote from: blockman on January 09, 2022, 02:02:25 PM

Those that are living a lavish life, well, I think 70k is still enough for them. But for someone who thinks of himself as a superstar with that salary, he shouldn't think of himself like that. AFAIK, the max cap for salary is 420k for any veteran and it's because of their PBA rule.
(https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-study-group-proposes-lifting-of-salary-cap-on-rookies-a1374-20210629)

But probably they'll earn more if they are consistent in the Finals and of course more if they win the Finals. So maybe some players prefer to stay in the PBA despite the huge offers outside because they might be assured of their security in the future rather than playing outside where a player could only get a short term contract and of course high pressure since they are one of the imports.

Yeah, there could be some incentives for the whole team if they're in the finals and also the winner of it. It's a risk for those who are going to take the contract in other leagues like B League because it's higher and it's like having a one time big time paycheck.
Unlike in PBA, lower but longer term. I guess there's no difference but the career in B League is more ideal for the young ones who has chosen to play there.

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