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January 14, 2022, 09:22:39 AM

On the other hand though, if this will happen then more opportunities for other players. They don't need to wait longer just to have spots in the teams that we have right now but they will have more teams to choose with. What are the chances that this will happen? I don't know because if the PBA really wanted to expand and add more teams then they should've done it long time ago already but they aren't doing it until now.

That's right, and the salary will be more competitive as well as the competition is getting tougher. Actually, we have a lot of talented basketball players but only few of them are given the opportunity due to the limited number of big leagues, with the increasing popularity of MPBL, that gives them a good chance.
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January 14, 2022, 08:18:37 AM
In the Philippines, the minimum wage was not even Php 1k per day in 8 hours of work.  Grin
Yes, that's true, and I think that is one of the reasons why some Filipinos choose to work/play in other countries. Like some PBA players who want to play in other country. some of them aiming a high-profit salary and some of them, They play cause they want to prove that PBA  Filipino players can fight and win even though they are small players.

Indeed, but these cases are rare because most of the players in the Philippines wants to join the PBA as it's the highest basketball league locally. And for others, well, we can't really blame them for pursuing their basketball dreams overseas as they can get paid more while showcasing their talents outside.

If the PBA wants to grow, they can increase the number of teams so more players with potential will have a chance to play. Some players in the B-League did not play in the PBA before they get to that league, some names are Thirdy Ravena, Kobe Paras and Dwight Ramos. So B-Leauge does not only focus their selection from the PBA, but in the entire basketball league in the Philippines.
They can but take note that the league is also a form of business.
I had watched a youtube video months ago regarding why the PBA aren't considering adding more teams to the league and that is because big companies like SMC and MVP is preventing it. If they will allow to add more teams, there will more teams that will share the exposure to the public. I mean they will have more competitors in terms of marketing since the PBA added more teams in the league. It is also stated on that video that franchises like Cebuana and SM are interested in creating their own team in the PBA.

On the other hand though, if this will happen then more opportunities for other players. They don't need to wait longer just to have spots in the teams that we have right now but they will have more teams to choose with. What are the chances that this will happen? I don't know because if the PBA really wanted to expand and add more teams then they should've done it long time ago already but they aren't doing it until now.
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January 14, 2022, 06:26:39 AM
I remember these scenario, looks like big companies are trying to manipulate the whole PBA system, and as you can see some teams are sister company in reality, they really want to monopolize the system and yet, PBA also wants this since there's money on that.

Since big companies that are already in the PBA are having a good set of players, these teams are some of the big reasons why PBA is getting a crowd. Therefore, a win-win situation at both teams and the league. Without those teams, PBA won't be able to sustain their operation that's why they are keen on getting an expansion. Business as usual on which is not new. We need the next Manny Pacquiao that is willing to spend big money to enter the league.

As per my comment about these players playing abroad, just let them play. These players will soon be back. I truly believe that it won't affect the current status of PBA since it's not that majority of the best players in the league will get that offer.

PBA needs to have a competitor and I think MPBL will soon become their close competitor where players can transfer vice versa. We know that PBA is the leading basketball league in the Philippines, but the real essence of competition is on the MPBL style or format, no sister team so no more speculation of rigged games.
A wide spread competition that allows all sides of our country to compete and have that fair chance to win the title,

Unlike with PBA, which mostly 2 business tycoon who will bank the title, the concept of MPBL is widen this sport and produces more stars.

While with PBA, it's limiting the numbers of pinoy talents, even you have that skills if you don't get quality minutes to play you'll end up

sitting on the bench and cheering with your teammates.. Roll Eyes

I guess the PBA should be aware that the MPBL is improving, if they'll not improve then probably one day they'll be surprised that MPBL will be the top basketball league in the Philippines. It doesn't matter if PBA is controlled by the reach persons in the Philippines, what matters is what league the fans will support.
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January 14, 2022, 05:58:53 AM
After the offers with the PBA players to shift into B League, now it is the coaches that they're offering to shift into B League and for sure with better pay.
(https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/magnolia-coach-chito-victolero-get-japan-b-league-offer-a2244-20220113)
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January 14, 2022, 04:32:46 AM
I remember these scenario, looks like big companies are trying to manipulate the whole PBA system, and as you can see some teams are sister company in reality, they really want to monopolize the system and yet, PBA also wants this since there's money on that.

Since big companies that are already in the PBA are having a good set of players, these teams are some of the big reasons why PBA is getting a crowd. Therefore, a win-win situation at both teams and the league. Without those teams, PBA won't be able to sustain their operation that's why they are keen on getting an expansion. Business as usual on which is not new. We need the next Manny Pacquiao that is willing to spend big money to enter the league.

As per my comment about these players playing abroad, just let them play. These players will soon be back. I truly believe that it won't affect the current status of PBA since it's not that majority of the best players in the league will get that offer.

PBA needs to have a competitor and I think MPBL will soon become their close competitor where players can transfer vice versa. We know that PBA is the leading basketball league in the Philippines, but the real essence of competition is on the MPBL style or format, no sister team so no more speculation of rigged games.
A wide spread competition that allows all sides of our country to compete and have that fair chance to win the title,

Unlike with PBA, which mostly 2 business tycoon who will bank the title, the concept of MPBL is widen this sport and produces more stars.

While with PBA, it's limiting the numbers of pinoy talents, even you have that skills if you don't get quality minutes to play you'll end up

sitting on the bench and cheering with your teammates.. Roll Eyes
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January 14, 2022, 03:01:59 AM
I remember these scenario, looks like big companies are trying to manipulate the whole PBA system, and as you can see some teams are sister company in reality, they really want to monopolize the system and yet, PBA also wants this since there's money on that.

Since big companies that are already in the PBA are having a good set of players, these teams are some of the big reasons why PBA is getting a crowd. Therefore, a win-win situation at both teams and the league. Without those teams, PBA won't be able to sustain their operation that's why they are keen on getting an expansion. Business as usual on which is not new. We need the next Manny Pacquiao that is willing to spend big money to enter the league.

As per my comment about these players playing abroad, just let them play. These players will soon be back. I truly believe that it won't affect the current status of PBA since it's not that majority of the best players in the league will get that offer.

PBA needs to have a competitor and I think MPBL will soon become their close competitor where players can transfer vice versa. We know that PBA is the leading basketball league in the Philippines, but the real essence of competition is on the MPBL style or format, no sister team so no more speculation of rigged games.

PBA will stay like that if there's no changes in the management, we already know what's the motives of Pangilinan and Cojuangco, for them it's just a pure business. Unlike the MPBL who really showcases the talents of the aspiring local basketball players who wants to be play in the professional leagues and MPBL was never intented to be PBA's competitor but we can't deny the fact that MPBL is more realistic and fair when it comes to it's rules.
For now MPBL is a semi-professional league but soon, it'll replace and dethrone PBA's spot for sure.
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Winding down.
January 14, 2022, 12:26:21 AM
I remember these scenario, looks like big companies are trying to manipulate the whole PBA system, and as you can see some teams are sister company in reality, they really want to monopolize the system and yet, PBA also wants this since there's money on that.

Since big companies that are already in the PBA are having a good set of players, these teams are some of the big reasons why PBA is getting a crowd. Therefore, a win-win situation at both teams and the league. Without those teams, PBA won't be able to sustain their operation that's why they are keen on getting an expansion. Business as usual on which is not new. We need the next Manny Pacquiao that is willing to spend big money to enter the league.

As per my comment about these players playing abroad, just let them play. These players will soon be back. I truly believe that it won't affect the current status of PBA since it's not that majority of the best players in the league will get that offer.

PBA needs to have a competitor and I think MPBL will soon become their close competitor where players can transfer vice versa. We know that PBA is the leading basketball league in the Philippines, but the real essence of competition is on the MPBL style or format, no sister team so no more speculation of rigged games.
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January 13, 2022, 08:33:14 PM
I remember these scenario, looks like big companies are trying to manipulate the whole PBA system, and as you can see some teams are sister company in reality, they really want to monopolize the system and yet, PBA also wants this since there's money on that.

Since big companies that are already in the PBA are having a good set of players, these teams are some of the big reasons why PBA is getting a crowd. Therefore, a win-win situation at both teams and the league. Without those teams, PBA won't be able to sustain their operation that's why they are keen on getting an expansion. Business as usual on which is not new. We need the next Manny Pacquiao that is willing to spend big money to enter the league.

As per my comment about these players playing abroad, just let them play. These players will soon be back. I truly believe that it won't affect the current status of PBA since it's not that majority of the best players in the league will get that offer.
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January 13, 2022, 06:50:10 PM
If the PBA wants to grow, they can increase the number of teams so more players with potential will have a chance to play.

I doubt that will solve all the mess. Look at just the status today, at least 3-4 teams are dumped. What the league should do is to restrict unfair trades so talents are distributed since we can't deny the fact that SMC all has the money to sign everybody.

The addition of other teams might just increase another farm team. It's a gamble for the league. Look at Blackwater, playing like a Barangay level and can't even contribute to the revenue of the league even for a live audience.

I support the expansion but the league has to review some imbalance trade.
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January 13, 2022, 06:14:03 PM

Not surprising to see that since Oligarch is not only protecting their business interest on sports area but also with their brand so this is not new that they are not expanding into more teams since this giant companies will not allow their competitors ti enter the scene since they don't want to give any room for competitor to grow in business sector.

And if MPBL will be handled well by its organizer for sure this league will have better chances since it really gives huge chances for talented indivual to show their skills and play in pro league.

Good way to expand the talents of pinoy basketball stars. You said it right if the handlers will be able to manage this league the right way,
the chance for many young athletes to grow and be compensated, most of those collegiate athletes tend to land a team inside PBA but if MPBL start to reign up and provide quality to their league.

It will open a big door for every young aspirant not to only think about PBA but also to aim for landing a team this other alternative.

Better to see more opportunities that will give talents a decent reward with their hard work. Wink Cool
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January 13, 2022, 05:40:10 PM
If the PBA wants to grow, they can increase the number of teams so more players with potential will have a chance to play. Some players in the B-League did not play in the PBA before they get to that league, some names are Thirdy Ravena, Kobe Paras and Dwight Ramos. So B-Leauge does not only focus their selection from the PBA, but in the entire basketball league in the Philippines.

Speaking of Dwight Ramos, seems he has built a name on his own in Japan and the way i looked at it, he is now a superstar plus the fact that his looks is not far from a Japanese actor, seems to me that we have to wait for a long time before we can see him play in the PBA. This no-nonsense kid is earning a lot so i think an offer of contract extension is likely to happen.

I just don't know why the PBA is having a hard time expanding. There are many companies years ago who have offered to enter the PBA but that didn't materialized maybe because of conflict of business interest.

When Phoenix tried to enter PBA for the first time, it was blocked by Petron. Chooks-to-go has sent an intent to join PBA but one team suddenly changed its name to Magnolia Hotshot "Ang Pambansang Manok" lol.

Business and there's no other reason why there are many companies who show interest are unable to proceed. The two giant companies
Doesn't like to have any competitors to come inside and have a wider exposure. It's been a long time for Chooks, but nothing happened to the point that they are now partnering with another league to continue their support to this support.

PBA is more on Pangilinan and Cojuangco. They are the big manipulator and they don't want to add other names from the list Grin Roll Eyes

Not surprising to see that since Oligarch is not only protecting their business interest on sports area but also with their brand so this is not new that they are not expanding into more teams since this giant companies will not allow their competitors ti enter the scene since they don't want to give any room for competitor to grow in business sector.

And if MPBL will be handled well by its organizer for sure this league will have better chances since it really gives huge chances for talented indivual to show their skills and play in pro league.
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January 13, 2022, 05:34:16 PM
If the PBA wants to grow, they can increase the number of teams so more players with potential will have a chance to play. Some players in the B-League did not play in the PBA before they get to that league, some names are Thirdy Ravena, Kobe Paras and Dwight Ramos. So B-Leauge does not only focus their selection from the PBA, but in the entire basketball league in the Philippines.

Speaking of Dwight Ramos, seems he has built a name on his own in Japan and the way i looked at it, he is now a superstar plus the fact that his looks is not far from a Japanese actor, seems to me that we have to wait for a long time before we can see him play in the PBA. This no-nonsense kid is earning a lot so i think an offer of contract extension is likely to happen.

I just don't know why the PBA is having a hard time expanding. There are many companies years ago who have offered to enter the PBA but that didn't materialized maybe because of conflict of business interest.

When Phoenix tried to enter PBA for the first time, it was blocked by Petron. Chooks-to-go has sent an intent to join PBA but one team suddenly changed its name to Magnolia Hotshot "Ang Pambansang Manok" lol.

PBA is not for everyone, so eventually, this league will be surpassed by a better league and I guess MPBL is a close competition. I like their set up, more like an NBA set up and players are really given an opportunity. PBA will not change for sure as long as the Pangilinan and Cojuangco are the major owners of the team, they run the business and can influence the PBA management.
That's correct, PBA are only for the teams who have the money while MPBL gives access to every localities that want to participate, their set-up are way better just like in NBA and I also hope that they grow more in the future since PBA are slowly losing their integritiy, politics are too much in PBA that's why many players decided not to play on PBA and go abroad instead.

Slowly but surely, MPBL is now a pro league.
https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1915527/cebu/sports/mpbl-officially-now-a-pro-league

Let's continue wishing for the best as they create opportunities for players who have no chance of playing in the PBA due to high requirements, in MPBL, even actors can play like Gerald Anderson as long as they contribute to the team.
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January 13, 2022, 05:21:57 PM
If the PBA wants to grow, they can increase the number of teams so more players with potential will have a chance to play. Some players in the B-League did not play in the PBA before they get to that league, some names are Thirdy Ravena, Kobe Paras and Dwight Ramos. So B-Leauge does not only focus their selection from the PBA, but in the entire basketball league in the Philippines.

Speaking of Dwight Ramos, seems he has built a name on his own in Japan and the way i looked at it, he is now a superstar plus the fact that his looks is not far from a Japanese actor, seems to me that we have to wait for a long time before we can see him play in the PBA. This no-nonsense kid is earning a lot so i think an offer of contract extension is likely to happen.

I just don't know why the PBA is having a hard time expanding. There are many companies years ago who have offered to enter the PBA but that didn't materialized maybe because of conflict of business interest.

When Phoenix tried to enter PBA for the first time, it was blocked by Petron. Chooks-to-go has sent an intent to join PBA but one team suddenly changed its name to Magnolia Hotshot "Ang Pambansang Manok" lol.

Business and there's no other reason why there are many companies who show interest are unable to proceed. The two giant companies
Doesn't like to have any competitors to come inside and have a wider exposure. It's been a long time for Chooks, but nothing happened to the point that they are now partnering with another league to continue their support to this support.

PBA is more on Pangilinan and Cojuangco. They are the big manipulator and they don't want to add other names from the list Grin Roll Eyes
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January 13, 2022, 05:08:05 PM
If the PBA wants to grow, they can increase the number of teams so more players with potential will have a chance to play. Some players in the B-League did not play in the PBA before they get to that league, some names are Thirdy Ravena, Kobe Paras and Dwight Ramos. So B-Leauge does not only focus their selection from the PBA, but in the entire basketball league in the Philippines.

Speaking of Dwight Ramos, seems he has built a name on his own in Japan and the way i looked at it, he is now a superstar plus the fact that his looks is not far from a Japanese actor, seems to me that we have to wait for a long time before we can see him play in the PBA. This no-nonsense kid is earning a lot so i think an offer of contract extension is likely to happen.

I just don't know why the PBA is having a hard time expanding. There are many companies years ago who have offered to enter the PBA but that didn't materialized maybe because of conflict of business interest.

When Phoenix tried to enter PBA for the first time, it was blocked by Petron. Chooks-to-go has sent an intent to join PBA but one team suddenly changed its name to Magnolia Hotshot "Ang Pambansang Manok" lol.

PBA is not for everyone, so eventually, this league will be surpassed by a better league and I guess MPBL is a close competition. I like their set up, more like an NBA set up and players are really given an opportunity. PBA will not change for sure as long as the Pangilinan and Cojuangco are the major owners of the team, they run the business and can influence the PBA management.
That's correct, PBA are only for the teams who have the money while MPBL gives access to every localities that want to participate, their set-up are way better just like in NBA and I also hope that they grow more in the future since PBA are slowly losing their integritiy, politics are too much in PBA that's why many players decided not to play on PBA and go abroad instead.
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January 13, 2022, 04:58:08 PM
If the PBA wants to grow, they can increase the number of teams so more players with potential will have a chance to play. Some players in the B-League did not play in the PBA before they get to that league, some names are Thirdy Ravena, Kobe Paras and Dwight Ramos. So B-Leauge does not only focus their selection from the PBA, but in the entire basketball league in the Philippines.

Speaking of Dwight Ramos, seems he has built a name on his own in Japan and the way i looked at it, he is now a superstar plus the fact that his looks is not far from a Japanese actor, seems to me that we have to wait for a long time before we can see him play in the PBA. This no-nonsense kid is earning a lot so i think an offer of contract extension is likely to happen.

I just don't know why the PBA is having a hard time expanding. There are many companies years ago who have offered to enter the PBA but that didn't materialized maybe because of conflict of business interest.

When Phoenix tried to enter PBA for the first time, it was blocked by Petron. Chooks-to-go has sent an intent to join PBA but one team suddenly changed its name to Magnolia Hotshot "Ang Pambansang Manok" lol.

PBA is not for everyone, so eventually, this league will be surpassed by a better league and I guess MPBL is a close competition. I like their set up, more like an NBA set up and players are really given an opportunity. PBA will not change for sure as long as the Pangilinan and Cojuangco are the major owners of the team, they run the business and can influence the PBA management.
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January 13, 2022, 04:58:03 PM
If the PBA wants to grow, they can increase the number of teams so more players with potential will have a chance to play. Some players in the B-League did not play in the PBA before they get to that league, some names are Thirdy Ravena, Kobe Paras and Dwight Ramos. So B-Leauge does not only focus their selection from the PBA, but in the entire basketball league in the Philippines.

Speaking of Dwight Ramos, seems he has built a name on his own in Japan and the way i looked at it, he is now a superstar plus the fact that his looks is not far from a Japanese actor, seems to me that we have to wait for a long time before we can see him play in the PBA. This no-nonsense kid is earning a lot so i think an offer of contract extension is likely to happen.

I just don't know why the PBA is having a hard time expanding. There are many companies years ago who have offered to enter the PBA but that didn't materialized maybe because of conflict of business interest.

When Phoenix tried to enter PBA for the first time, it was blocked by Petron. Chooks-to-go has sent an intent to join PBA but one team suddenly changed its name to Magnolia Hotshot "Ang Pambansang Manok" lol.
I remember these scenario, looks like big companies are trying to manipulate the whole PBA system, and as you can see some teams are sister company in reality, they really want to monopolize the system and yet, PBA also wants this since there's money on that. Speaking of those young players, they really have a potential and its good that on their early stage in professional basketball, they are able to play abroad for sure they'll become more expensive once they choose to play on PBA.
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January 13, 2022, 04:51:24 PM
If the PBA wants to grow, they can increase the number of teams so more players with potential will have a chance to play. Some players in the B-League did not play in the PBA before they get to that league, some names are Thirdy Ravena, Kobe Paras and Dwight Ramos. So B-Leauge does not only focus their selection from the PBA, but in the entire basketball league in the Philippines.

Speaking of Dwight Ramos, seems he has built a name on his own in Japan and the way i looked at it, he is now a superstar plus the fact that his looks is not far from a Japanese actor, seems to me that we have to wait for a long time before we can see him play in the PBA. This no-nonsense kid is earning a lot so i think an offer of contract extension is likely to happen.

I just don't know why the PBA is having a hard time expanding. There are many companies years ago who have offered to enter the PBA but that didn't materialized maybe because of conflict of business interest.

When Phoenix tried to enter PBA for the first time, it was blocked by Petron. Chooks-to-go has sent an intent to join PBA but one team suddenly changed its name to Magnolia Hotshot "Ang Pambansang Manok" lol.
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January 13, 2022, 04:50:48 PM
In the Philippines, the minimum wage was not even Php 1k per day in 8 hours of work.  Grin
Yes, that's true, and I think that is one of the reasons why some Filipinos choose to work/play in other countries. Like some PBA players who want to play in other country. some of them aiming a high-profit salary and some of them, They play cause they want to prove that PBA  Filipino players can fight and win even though they are small players.

Indeed, but these cases are rare because most of the players in the Philippines wants to join the PBA as it's the highest basketball league locally. And for others, well, we can't really blame them for pursuing their basketball dreams overseas as they can get paid more while showcasing their talents outside.

If the PBA wants to grow, they can increase the number of teams so more players with potential will have a chance to play. Some players in the B-League did not play in the PBA before they get to that league, some names are Thirdy Ravena, Kobe Paras and Dwight Ramos. So B-Leauge does not only focus their selection from the PBA, but in the entire basketball league in the Philippines.

That's easy to say but the way I see it, it's not gonna happen as it's been controlled by the big team owners. I guess restricting the team owners to own only one team is the right thing to do, if not, then they can still manipulate the league, the strong teams gets stronger while the weak gets weaker.
You can also had here the connection of the players since we know that some deserving players are still leaving the great teams so that the other player will stay even if they are not that good. Many good players also don’t have the access to PBA since some teams are too focus on NCAA and UAAP players, they are not looking on other places. Well, big teams can really look for a good players especially they have the money for that, we cannot blame them for this.
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January 13, 2022, 04:23:33 PM
In the Philippines, the minimum wage was not even Php 1k per day in 8 hours of work.  Grin
Yes, that's true, and I think that is one of the reasons why some Filipinos choose to work/play in other countries. Like some PBA players who want to play in other country. some of them aiming a high-profit salary and some of them, They play cause they want to prove that PBA  Filipino players can fight and win even though they are small players.

Indeed, but these cases are rare because most of the players in the Philippines wants to join the PBA as it's the highest basketball league locally. And for others, well, we can't really blame them for pursuing their basketball dreams overseas as they can get paid more while showcasing their talents outside.

If the PBA wants to grow, they can increase the number of teams so more players with potential will have a chance to play. Some players in the B-League did not play in the PBA before they get to that league, some names are Thirdy Ravena, Kobe Paras and Dwight Ramos. So B-Leauge does not only focus their selection from the PBA, but in the entire basketball league in the Philippines.

That's easy to say but the way I see it, it's not gonna happen as it's been controlled by the big team owners. I guess restricting the team owners to own only one team is the right thing to do, if not, then they can still manipulate the league, the strong teams gets stronger while the weak gets weaker.
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January 13, 2022, 08:32:58 AM
In the Philippines, the minimum wage was not even Php 1k per day in 8 hours of work.  Grin
Yes, that's true, and I think that is one of the reasons why some Filipinos choose to work/play in other countries. Like some PBA players who want to play in other country. some of them aiming a high-profit salary and some of them, They play cause they want to prove that PBA  Filipino players can fight and win even though they are small players.

Indeed, but these cases are rare because most of the players in the Philippines wants to join the PBA as it's the highest basketball league locally. And for others, well, we can't really blame them for pursuing their basketball dreams overseas as they can get paid more while showcasing their talents outside.

If the PBA wants to grow, they can increase the number of teams so more players with potential will have a chance to play. Some players in the B-League did not play in the PBA before they get to that league, some names are Thirdy Ravena, Kobe Paras and Dwight Ramos. So B-Leauge does not only focus their selection from the PBA, but in the entire basketball league in the Philippines.
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