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October 09, 2021, 08:09:49 AM
Betting odds are out already, take it early as it might move tomorrow.

https://sportsbet.io/sports/basketball/philippines/pba-philippine-cup/matches

TNT KaTropa - 1.80
San Miguel Beermen - 1.98

Magnolia Hotshots - 1.60
Meralco Bolts - 2.30

Magnolia + SMB parlay = 3.168 (good odds for me as Magnolia will be a sure win in game 4)
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October 09, 2021, 06:58:55 AM
I don't know if many will agree with me but I think TNT has all the tools in stopping SMB. They can defend SMB's shooters well and they are one of the best defensive teams this conference. At the same time, they can stop Fajardo and Tautuaa too when SMB will rely on inside points. The bigs of TNT is strong enough to defend these 2 bigs of SMB. I'm an SMB fan but right now, it seems that they are having a hard time defeating this TNT team.

They have the tools on beating not just SMB but all teams in the league. SMB just becomes a favorite because of their playoffs winning history and have that "never say die" motto 2nd to BGSM but people are not realizing that SMB is not the strong team before even they have the best point guards in the league in the name of Terrence Romeo and CJ Perez.

If TNT will lose on this series. It's a disappointment and they are fit to call a choked team. I'm with TNT here to win the series.

Fajardo is supposed to dominate, but he is not dominating now so he is not a big threat anymore, he is not fast yet and the TNT bigs can easily double him. John Paul Erram has been consistently scoring against Fajardo, I think he had an average of 20 points in the last 2 games, which shows that the defense of Fajardo is weak and he is now a liability to the team. (not totally)
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October 09, 2021, 06:56:30 AM
It's also a battle of adjustment and just like what the Meralco did, SMB could also adjust and win the next game.

Yes it is, and these two coaches are veterans, they have already won championships in the past, so they know what they are doing and they will not panic. I'm guessing, in game 4 I think SMB will not anymore the favorites because of what happened in game 3, so if we ever think of backing them, we should bet early.

Coach Chot as a veteran and reputable coach is one of the reasons why TNT is strong. His presence on the bench makes his players motivated that they need to contribute more as they are handled by the former Gilas coach for a long. Finishing a season with only 1 loss is already a big and hard achievement. In this playoff match against SMB, they managed to take big leads against this team which is unusual in the past playoffs of the All-Filipino Cup conference.

Big game tomorrow. If SMB will be downed by 3-1, I have never seen them beating TNT 3 times in a row.
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October 09, 2021, 05:51:52 AM
I don't know if many will agree with me but I think TNT has all the tools in stopping SMB. They can defend SMB's shooters well and they are one of the best defensive teams this conference. At the same time, they can stop Fajardo and Tautuaa too when SMB will rely on inside points. The bigs of TNT is strong enough to defend these 2 bigs of SMB. I'm an SMB fan but right now, it seems that they are having a hard time defeating this TNT team.

They have the tools on beating not just SMB but all teams in the league. SMB just becomes a favorite because of their playoffs winning history and have that "never say die" motto 2nd to BGSM but people are not realizing that SMB is not the strong team before even they have the best point guards in the league in the name of Terrence Romeo and CJ Perez.

If TNT will lose on this series. It's a disappointment and they are fit to call a choked team. I'm with TNT here to win the series.
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October 09, 2021, 05:01:52 AM
JMF has returned from an injury, plus his mother died, so he is not 100% yet. if the Beermen are really a good team, this is the time to show some support to JMF and help the team to win so they could give this as a gift to JMF. SMB is still not out in the series, TNT still has to win 2 more games which looks easy now but once SMB found the best strategy, the advantage might be on them.
There are 2 scenarios with this.
1. JMF has came back from a serious injury that he had years ago. There is this thing on his mind that "what if it will happen again" thing that might affect his performance. I already said this just before this conference happens.
2. TNT knows how to stop him. That's all.

With the 2 that I said, the second one is what is happening right now. TNT knows how to stop him. If you watched those 3 games, you will see that Erram is dominating him inside the paint. Erram is more athletic and faster than him and he can defend JMF too not 1v1 but at least the team can stop him. We can always say that Fajardo isn't at his 100% performance after his injury but at least, give some credits to the bigs of TNT because they can stop him inside. Smiley

I don't know if many will agree with me but I think TNT has all the tools in stopping SMB. They can defend SMB's shooters well and they are one of the best defensive teams this conference. At the same time, they can stop Fajardo and Tautuaa too when SMB will rely on inside points. The bigs of TNT is strong enough to defend these 2 bigs of SMB. I'm an SMB fan but right now, it seems that they are having a hard time defeating this TNT team.
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October 09, 2021, 04:18:06 AM
SMB has come back before when they are down 3-1 and won the NBA Finals, so please don't think that the series is already over, TNT maybe leading by 1 win but SMB could even the series and will make this series very unpredictable to judge. It's also a battle of adjustment and just like what the Meralco did, SMB could also adjust and win the next game.

PBA finals mate. Cheesy

Adjustment is already not an issue on that series. They already adjust. It's just a battle of who will take the last laugh. That time when SMB overcome a 1-3 deficit in the Finals against Alaska, they are all in prime and they rely on JMF. It should already be a 3-0 win for TNT now but they just got comfortable in Game 2. If SMB will do some necessary push, TNT will also do the same.
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October 09, 2021, 02:36:45 AM
It's also a battle of adjustment and just like what the Meralco did, SMB could also adjust and win the next game.

Yes it is, and these two coaches are veterans, they have already won championships in the past, so they know what they are doing and they will not panic. I'm guessing, in game 4 I think SMB will not anymore the favorites because of what happened in game 3, so if we ever think of backing them, we should bet early.
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October 09, 2021, 01:59:37 AM
JMF has returned from an injury, plus his mother died, so he is not 100% yet. if the Beermen are really a good team, this is the time to show some support to JMF and help the team to win so they could give this as a gift to JMF. SMB is still not out in the series, TNT still has to win 2 more games which looks easy now but once SMB found the best strategy, the advantage might be on them.

It's discrediting JMF if you still insist that he's not 100% because of that reason. Let's also looked at how good TNT is. Gives credit to their hard work. If TNT will win on the series, there should not be a reason that JMF is not at 100%. Not all the times that SMB will be the team to beat in the league and SMB fans should not be blinded by that.

It's more on how the coach and players design the gameplay.

As of this moment, it's on the side of TNT they really made good adjustment to identify what's their advantage
against SMB. There're no excuses or anything, Lets accept the fact that the domination of Fajardo is no longer that much.
Kudos to the hard work of TNT's defense, they made it harder for SMB as to how we saw that from this
current series.

Glad we really enjoy this semi-finals between two heavy favorite teams from the league.

This is more like a Finals series, but I'm glad that TNT has really improved now, unlike in the past that SMB always dominates them. Coach Chot Reyes really help a lot for the team, maybe this season is not for the SMB teams, it's for the Pangilinan teams. Also, if TNT will advance, I guess they will be the favorites against Magnolia, but I believe the series would be better as it could reach game 7.

SMB has come back before when they are down 3-1 and won the NBA Finals, so please don't think that the series is already over, TNT maybe leading by 1 win but SMB could even the series and will make this series very unpredictable to judge. It's also a battle of adjustment and just like what the Meralco did, SMB could also adjust and win the next game.
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October 09, 2021, 12:42:11 AM
JMF has returned from an injury, plus his mother died, so he is not 100% yet. if the Beermen are really a good team, this is the time to show some support to JMF and help the team to win so they could give this as a gift to JMF. SMB is still not out in the series, TNT still has to win 2 more games which looks easy now but once SMB found the best strategy, the advantage might be on them.

It's discrediting JMF if you still insist that he's not 100% because of that reason. Let's also looked at how good TNT is. Gives credit to their hard work. If TNT will win on the series, there should not be a reason that JMF is not at 100%. Not all the times that SMB will be the team to beat in the league and SMB fans should not be blinded by that.

It's more on how the coach and players design the gameplay.

As of this moment, it's on the side of TNT they really made good adjustment to identify what's their advantage
against SMB. There're no excuses or anything, Lets accept the fact that the domination of Fajardo is no longer that much.
Kudos to the hard work of TNT's defense, they made it harder for SMB as to how we saw that from this
current series.

Glad we really enjoy this semi-finals between two heavy favorite teams from the league.

This is more like a Finals series, but I'm glad that TNT has really improved now, unlike in the past that SMB always dominates them. Coach Chot Reyes really help a lot for the team, maybe this season is not for the SMB teams, it's for the Pangilinan teams. Also, if TNT will advance, I guess they will be the favorites against Magnolia, but I believe the series would be better as it could reach game 7.
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October 08, 2021, 09:37:08 PM
JMF has returned from an injury, plus his mother died, so he is not 100% yet. if the Beermen are really a good team, this is the time to show some support to JMF and help the team to win so they could give this as a gift to JMF. SMB is still not out in the series, TNT still has to win 2 more games which looks easy now but once SMB found the best strategy, the advantage might be on them.

It's discrediting JMF if you still insist that he's not 100% because of that reason. Let's also looked at how good TNT is. Gives credit to their hard work. If TNT will win on the series, there should not be a reason that JMF is not at 100%. Not all the times that SMB will be the team to beat in the league and SMB fans should not be blinded by that.

It's more on how the coach and players design the gameplay.

As of this moment, it's on the side of TNT they really made good adjustment to identify what's their advantage
against SMB. There're no excuses or anything, Lets accept the fact that the domination of Fajardo is no longer that much.
Kudos to the hard work of TNT's defense, they made it harder for SMB as to how we saw that from this
current series.

Glad we really enjoy this semi-finals between two heavy favorite teams from the league.
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October 08, 2021, 06:47:43 PM
JMF has returned from an injury, plus his mother died, so he is not 100% yet. if the Beermen are really a good team, this is the time to show some support to JMF and help the team to win so they could give this as a gift to JMF. SMB is still not out in the series, TNT still has to win 2 more games which looks easy now but once SMB found the best strategy, the advantage might be on them.

It's discrediting JMF if you still insist that he's not 100% because of that reason. Let's also looked at how good TNT is. Gives credit to their hard work. If TNT will win on the series, there should not be a reason that JMF is not at 100%. Not all the times that SMB will be the team to beat in the league and SMB fans should not be blinded by that.
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October 08, 2021, 03:52:46 PM

He has to move on, he is a professional and he should not bring that at work. 

JMF has been consistent as an MVP during the All Filipino cup prior to the pandemic is not that effective this time, though the stat is still good his impact on the floor is not like before already. He can score and grab rebounds because of his height, but his production really drops and that affected the play of the SMB as they usually rely on JMF to generate points in the paint, they live on it, now they'll die on it.

As we can also notice, Castro does not force himself to score anymore, he is lucky to have been surrounded by a lot of guys who can spread the floor and they are getting contributions from anyone within the team.

Erram even undersize but the determination is there. With the help of Rosario, Fajardo really having a hard time making a good lift for SMB, we can't really say what's affecting Fajardos production,

either his injuries or the kind of system Chot Reyes brings to his shoulder, but the key factors here are the productions of the whole team. Even Fajardo and Romeo do the best that they can,

without additional help from their teammates, more likely they will lose this series.
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October 08, 2021, 02:38:45 PM

It was a trap, SMB does not show their toughness in this game, they didn't even try to come back as the whole game ended up a well domination by the TNT.

We were not expecting that it's a trap, SMB did a great job on a comeback win in game 2 but they seem playing tired in game 3. Anyway, we can't change what happen but SMB still has game 4 to try to even the series and for sure they will make sure they will win and will not play catch-up game as they would usually lose on that scenario.

TNT played well, there's no question about that, and I agree with you, SMB seems tired the role players did not contribute that much. Still have another game to compete. Maybe they will try harder to beat TNT's system. Coach Leo needs to work with each player to be more competitive and not to allow TNT's stars to just keep taking shots and have a higher confidence. SMB needs to work more with good defense and a good counter with every conversion from TNT players. A long way for this series and they need to keep working hard if they want to win.

Though TNT is really an improved team, William's presence is now bringing big impact, together with Erram, Rosario and Poguy coach Chot made this team more solid and very competitive.

If SMB's best player could not deliver an MVP  contribution, SMB will likely lose in the series. We need to see more from June Mar Fajardo in game 4, it's an important game as they are behind and they need to even the series to have a chance to win it. Maybe in game 4, I will try to put a bet on SMB 1st half win, I like to see them playing harder and win the first half again.

JMF has returned from an injury, plus his mother died, so he is not 100% yet. if the Beermen are really a good team, this is the time to show some support to JMF and help the team to win so they could give this as a gift to JMF. SMB is still not out in the series, TNT still has to win 2 more games which looks easy now but once SMB found the best strategy, the advantage might be on them.

He has to move on, he is a professional and he should not bring that at work. 

JMF has been consistent as an MVP during the All Filipino cup prior to the pandemic is not that effective this time, though the stat is still good his impact on the floor is not like before already. He can score and grab rebounds because of his height, but his production really drops and that affected the play of the SMB as they usually rely on JMF to generate points in the paint, they live on it, now they'll die on it.

As we can also notice, Castro does not force himself to score anymore, he is lucky to have been surrounded by a lot of guys who can spread the floor and they are getting contributions from anyone within the team.
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October 08, 2021, 01:56:03 PM

It was a trap, SMB does not show their toughness in this game, they didn't even try to come back as the whole game ended up a well domination by the TNT.

We were not expecting that it's a trap, SMB did a great job on a comeback win in game 2 but they seem playing tired in game 3. Anyway, we can't change what happen but SMB still has game 4 to try to even the series and for sure they will make sure they will win and will not play catch-up game as they would usually lose on that scenario.

TNT played well, there's no question about that, and I agree with you, SMB seems tired the role players did not contribute that much. Still have another game to compete. Maybe they will try harder to beat TNT's system. Coach Leo needs to work with each player to be more competitive and not to allow TNT's stars to just keep taking shots and have a higher confidence. SMB needs to work more with good defense and a good counter with every conversion from TNT players. A long way for this series and they need to keep working hard if they want to win.

Though TNT is really an improved team, William's presence is now bringing big impact, together with Erram, Rosario and Poguy coach Chot made this team more solid and very competitive.

If SMB's best player could not deliver an MVP  contribution, SMB will likely lose in the series. We need to see more from June Mar Fajardo in game 4, it's an important game as they are behind and they need to even the series to have a chance to win it. Maybe in game 4, I will try to put a bet on SMB 1st half win, I like to see them playing harder and win the first half again.

JMF has returned from an injury, plus his mother died, so he is not 100% yet. if the Beermen are really a good team, this is the time to show some support to JMF and help the team to win so they could give this as a gift to JMF. SMB is still not out in the series, TNT still has to win 2 more games which looks easy now but once SMB found the best strategy, the advantage might be on them.
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October 08, 2021, 01:35:52 PM

It was a trap, SMB does not show their toughness in this game, they didn't even try to come back as the whole game ended up a well domination by the TNT.

We were not expecting that it's a trap, SMB did a great job on a comeback win in game 2 but they seem playing tired in game 3. Anyway, we can't change what happen but SMB still has game 4 to try to even the series and for sure they will make sure they will win and will not play catch-up game as they would usually lose on that scenario.

TNT played well, there's no question about that, and I agree with you, SMB seems tired the role players did not contribute that much. Still have another game to compete. Maybe they will try harder to beat TNT's system. Coach Leo needs to work with each player to be more competitive and not to allow TNT's stars to just keep taking shots and have a higher confidence. SMB needs to work more with good defense and a good counter with every conversion from TNT players. A long way for this series and they need to keep working hard if they want to win.

Though TNT is really an improved team, William's presence is now bringing big impact, together with Erram, Rosario and Poguy coach Chot made this team more solid and very competitive.

If SMB's best player could not deliver an MVP  contribution, SMB will likely lose in the series. We need to see more from June Mar Fajardo in game 4, it's an important game as they are behind and they need to even the series to have a chance to win it. Maybe in game 4, I will try to put a bet on SMB 1st half win, I like to see them playing harder and win the first half again.
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October 08, 2021, 12:57:32 PM

It was a trap, SMB does not show their toughness in this game, they didn't even try to come back as the whole game ended up a well domination by the TNT.

We were not expecting that it's a trap, SMB did a great job on a comeback win in game 2 but they seem playing tired in game 3. Anyway, we can't change what happen but SMB still has game 4 to try to even the series and for sure they will make sure they will win and will not play catch-up game as they would usually lose on that scenario.

TNT played well, there's no question about that, and I agree with you, SMB seems tired the role players did not contribute that much. Still have another game to compete. Maybe they will try harder to beat TNT's system. Coach Leo needs to work with each player to be more competitive and not to allow TNT's stars to just keep taking shots and have a higher confidence. SMB needs to work more with good defense and a good counter with every conversion from TNT players. A long way for this series and they need to keep working hard if they want to win.

Though TNT is really an improved team, William's presence is now bringing big impact, together with Erram, Rosario and Poguy coach Chot made this team more solid and very competitive.
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October 08, 2021, 12:35:06 PM

It was a trap, SMB does not show their toughness in this game, they didn't even try to come back as the whole game ended up a well domination by the TNT.

We were not expecting that it's a trap, SMB did a great job on a comeback win in game 2 but they seem playing tired in game 3. Anyway, we can't change what happen but SMB still has game 4 to try to even the series and for sure they will make sure they will win and will not play catch-up game as they would usually lose on that scenario.
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October 08, 2021, 12:21:08 PM
The line is now up for SMB vs TNT.


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Still nice odds for SMB, anyone here believes that SMB will take a 2-1 lead after that miraculous come back?
Romeo was already activated, he might still be hot in this game.

Both odds for SMB and Magnolia are interesting. After that 2-0 lead, Magnolia can sweep the Bolts if there're no changes from their system.

They needed to make a good stop. The big three are really making a good damage, Lee, Abueva and Sangalang.
adjustment from the defensive plays needs to be more focus both outside and inside.

I was expecting a 3-0 lead by Magnolia but seems like the fix was in, lol. |
It was a dominant performance by the Meralco but they almost collapse in the 4th quarter giving a scare on their chance to make the series longer.
No Almazan in that game but everyone steps up, especially Newsome.

SMB as an underdog? After winning game 2, interesting to take this odd. With Romeo and Fajardo playing much healthier now
 
The chance of winning is very possible.

It was a trap, SMB does not show their toughness in this game, they didn't even try to come back as the whole game ended up a well domination by the TNT.
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October 08, 2021, 11:45:52 AM

Lets watch the second game: SMB VS. TNT Smiley.

Here we go again, looks like I already see this scenario where TNT leads in the 1st half but they will allow SMB to roar back in the 2nd half. So far, TNT has a good double-digit lead but the result is always unpredictable because we can't conclude yet that SMB will not come back anymore.
4 and a half minutes remaining in the 4th quarter and I already stopped watching because the lead is 20.
Looks like what you've predicted didn't happen. TNT managed to get the lead at the start of the first quarter and they didn't look back ever since.

The main reason why SMB is in a huge deficit is their turnovers. They have 20+ turnovers as of this moment and it kills them so bad. On the other hand, TNT is capitalizing their turnovers scoring 29 points from it. One thing more is Fajardo. He scored just 14 as of now since the game isn't over still and there is no help coming from others aside from Romeo who scored 22 unlike from TNT who has all 5 starters in double figures. The points are just distributed in TNT. 2-1 in favor of TNT.

P.S. The game ended with a score of 115-98.

This time SMB was not able to pull a big come back, the defense of TNT was perfect, they put pressure on the SMB and they move faster so JMF was less effective here.  SMB coach has to make a game plan in game 4, they should not allow TNT to dominate them, as much as possible, they have to make the gap close or take the lead in the early minutes of the game.

Great game also by Mikey Williams here, he struggles in game 1 and 2 but he found himself here in game 3.
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October 08, 2021, 11:25:01 AM
P.S. The game ended with a score of 115-98.
Unfortunately, not a similar scenario we saw in game 2, despite my loss, I would still say congratulations to TNT, and those who put their bet on TNT to win tonight, they deserve that win, after a heartbreaking loss in game 2, they bounce back and prove that they are too much for SMB.

They learned from those two previous games; they are well ready not to allow SMB to come back.

Putting more pressures and really taking shots to ensure that even SMB try hard to make a rally
they are ready not to allow a close game scenario again.

TNT deserves that kudos! Congrats to all TNT fans, series now in 2-1 in favor of TNT, 
still close and a possible to see a do-or-die series Roll Eyes

With Magnolia and Meralco, they now also have 2-1 series, interesting to see that
Bolts are not willing to end this series without fighting for survival.
More games means more chance to keep betting! Grin
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