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Quote from: LogitechMouse on March 18, 2021, 09:37:36 PM

P.S. I forgot that they got Andre Paras in the recent draft pick. Their owner said that it was the biggest steal in the draft pick. Any takeaways with this?? Aside from the marketing side which is pretty obvious.

Not a bad pick for me. Even Andre Paras was focused more on his showbiz career before, he's still the best against most players in the league in terms of basketball performance. He is a basketball enthusiast since he was a kid, a college player (on which it's hard to be selected), and others say more athletic than Kobe Paras if he seriously pursues his basketball career way back.

Let see if he will able to help the BlackWater's rally this upcoming season. If his performance will be good throughout the season, watch out for trading him to a big team. Cheesy

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Quote from: harizen on March 18, 2021, 05:26:39 PM

Quote from: mirakal on March 18, 2021, 05:17:00 PM

Blackwater will still not improve this season, they release their young players and they have to deal with that, the good thing is there's no high expectation from this team so they can just play like they are a D league team. Grin

I've honestly seen no seriousness at this franchise since then. Yes, a small company compared to other franchises and hardly can get a big fish but we can see how bad they are with their actions about trading their players especially the key ones.

That's why some people considered them before as a secret farm team because of that actions.

I may be wrong with this but Independent teams = Farm teams of MVP and SMC.

First, they traded away Ray Parks for players that isn't comparable with his overall performance. Now they traded Belo into another team although this is a better trade for them. Now I think that they traded Shaw into another team (not sure). Like TerraFirma, they are just giving away their star players and they will just make a reason that they will "build-up" or "rebuild" blah blah.

This is the reason why the competitiveness of the league is slowly disappearing. We always see the same teams in the Finals for the past years. I will not be surprised though if they will trade their draft picks this season too in the future.

P.S. I forgot that they got Andre Paras in the recent draft pick. Their owner said that it was the biggest steal in the draft pick. Any takeaways with this?? Aside from the marketing side which is pretty obvious.

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Quote from: Maslate on March 18, 2021, 05:52:58 PM

So most probably not only Blackwater is a farm team but the Terraferma DYIP as well.

And after all that big trades releasing their respective players, trades are FAIR according to these small franchises. Grin

Phoenix, Alaska, and ROS I think are the only teams that are not taking involves in this alleged farm trade, correct me if I'm wrong. I really like to see someday in the Finals that there are no SMC or MVP teams involved.

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Quote from: harizen on March 18, 2021, 05:26:39 PM

Quote from: mirakal on March 18, 2021, 05:17:00 PM

Blackwater will still not improve this season, they release their young players and they have to deal with that, the good thing is there's no high expectation from this team so they can just play like they are a D league team. Grin

I've honestly seen no seriousness at this franchise since then. Yes, a small company compared to other franchises and hardly can get a big fish but we can see how bad they are with their actions about trading their players especially the key ones.

That's why some people considered them before as a secret farm team because of that actions.

So most probably not only Blackwater is a farm team but the Terraferma DYIP as well.

Based on what I noticed, I see that these two teams are a farm of the Cojuanco and Pangilinan group.
With the trades news we can confirm that they are.

Parks from BW to TNT
Mac Belo from BW to Meralco

CJ Perez to SMB

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Quote from: mirakal on March 18, 2021, 05:17:00 PM

Blackwater will still not improve this season, they release their young players and they have to deal with that, the good thing is there's no high expectation from this team so they can just play like they are a D league team. Grin

I've honestly seen no seriousness at this franchise since then. Yes, a small company compared to other franchises and hardly can get a big fish but we can see how bad they are with their actions about trading their players especially the key ones.

That's why some people considered them before as a secret farm team because of that actions.

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Quote from: harizen on March 18, 2021, 04:31:22 PM

Quote from: ultrloa on March 18, 2021, 05:08:54 AM

Not following Canaleta before but I don't know if he's still have nice stroke on 3pt area since if he's still dangerous outside well imagine how dangerous his addition to the other ....

For a veteran honestly, his numbers last season are good. And regardless if he still has the shooting stroke before, BlackWater has no choice but to give him more minutes on the floor as the reason in the first place why they signed KG is because their key shooters are now traded.

BW is looking for key scorers but they trade the much younger and improving Don Trollano and now expecting a veteran to fill up the hole lol. Well, part of the three-team deal and BW's advantage here is they will get the TNT draftees in the future. Hope they are in the right track.

Blackwater will still not improve this season, they release their young players and they have to deal with that, the good thing is there's no high expectation from this team so they can just play like they are a D league team. Grin

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Quote from: Sanitough on March 17, 2021, 11:59:04 PM

Canaleta never loses a job in the PBA, he has been into different teams already and he is signed every time his contract expires.

He is a volatile big man who can shoot the outside with good percentage, I hope he will remain healthy although in a team that ha a little chance to be in the PBA championship.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/kg-canaleta-back-for-another-tour-of-duty-with-bossing-a793-20210317?ref=feed_1_section

Have nothing against Canaleta but the last time i saw him play, he is not that good anymore and i wonder why Blackwater did not gamble on the new ones with a lower salary than him if there was a problem with salary cap.

Was thinking Blackwater is dismantling it's team, released Belo, Sumang and other reliables then hire old players lol.

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Quote from: ultrloa on March 18, 2021, 05:08:54 AM

Not following Canaleta before but I don't know if he's still have nice stroke on 3pt area since if he's still dangerous outside well imagine how dangerous his addition to the other ....

For a veteran honestly, his numbers last season are good. And regardless if he still has the shooting stroke before, BlackWater has no choice but to give him more minutes on the floor as the reason in the first place why they signed KG is because their key shooters are now traded.

BW is looking for key scorers but they trade the much younger and improving Don Trollano and now expecting a veteran to fill up the hole lol. Well, part of the three-team deal and BW's advantage here is they will get the TNT draftees in the future. Hope they are in the right track.

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Quote from: Kasabus on March 17, 2021, 05:17:20 PM

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Quote from: Maslate on March 17, 2021, 04:58:36 PM

There last conference was the All Filipino but yes no conference after that so we start this year with all Filipino as well. If the conference is continues then we might see another conference where imports can play, but All-Filipino is the best conference for me so I'm happy with All-Filipino in this entire year.

It is the best and I say in our current status of the country because of the pandemic. But I'd also want to watch with imports.

Of course, we used to watching games with imports as well and it's not a problem now that vaccine is already arriving and some are already getting it. With a big organization like PBA, they can afford to get everyone a vaccine and especially the imports if it does not receive a vaccine yet, but I doubt since other countries are more advance so before an import will go to the Philippines, it's assume that he already receive a vaccine.

About the vaccine, yes they might come to the public once the vaccination for the front liners have come to the projected amount of people needed to have it.
But as said about the cup with imports, we have to wait and chill. I'm only giving my opinion that I want to watch it and there's no doubt that they can afford everything, no question with that.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 18, 2021, 04:30:04 AM

Quote from: Sanitough on March 17, 2021, 11:59:04 PM

Canaleta never loses a job in the PBA, he has been into different teams already and he is signed every time his contract expires.

He is a volatile big man who can shoot the outside with good percentage, I hope he will remain healthy although in a team that ha a little chance to be in the PBA championship.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/kg-canaleta-back-for-another-tour-of-duty-with-bossing-a793-20210317?ref=feed_1_section

Well, good for him as he might retire soon since he is already 39 years old, he has already past his prime and good thing he had some range and that convince the team to sign him because he is a big man with 3 point shooting skills.

Not following Canaleta before but I don't know if he's still have nice stroke on 3pt area since if he's still dangerous outside well imagine how dangerous his addition to the other tam since imagine he's length compare to other guards who mostly stay outside to watch for perimeter shooters for sure he can dominate them on that area. But if sudden things turndown and his totally out of his phase well that is a waste of a seat but I'm curious to watch him play now since imagine how old is right now.

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Quote from: Sanitough on March 17, 2021, 11:59:04 PM

Canaleta never loses a job in the PBA, he has been into different teams already and he is signed every time his contract expires.

He is a volatile big man who can shoot the outside with good percentage, I hope he will remain healthy although in a team that ha a little chance to be in the PBA championship.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/kg-canaleta-back-for-another-tour-of-duty-with-bossing-a793-20210317?ref=feed_1_section

Well, good for him as he might retire soon since he is already 39 years old, he has already past his prime and good thing he had some range and that convince the team to sign him because he is a big man with 3 point shooting skills.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 16, 2021, 09:22:54 AM

Quote from: blockman on March 16, 2021, 09:06:56 AM

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That's all we have to wait until the season starts. They can have their own power up through the acquisition and addition or trade of their players.
Can't judge yet by looking at the rosters because they have their own strengths and weaknesses and it will still depend how they'll play when the season comes in.

Following you with your statement and I must agree! we never know what the team will show up until we see them play together and work with each games that they've got.

For now, we are all speculating with how the team will manage their new teammates and those who also have new coaches, we are under the impressions that the move will give them much better chances in taking the team to next level.

Always looking forward for the betterment of league.. Wink

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Canaleta never loses a job in the PBA, he has been into different teams already and he is signed every time his contract expires.

He is a volatile big man who can shoot the outside with good percentage, I hope he will remain healthy although in a team that ha a little chance to be in the PBA championship.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/kg-canaleta-back-for-another-tour-of-duty-with-bossing-a793-20210317?ref=feed_1_section

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Quote from: blockman on March 17, 2021, 05:11:09 PM

Quote from: Maslate on March 17, 2021, 04:58:36 PM

There last conference was the All Filipino but yes no conference after that so we start this year with all Filipino as well. If the conference is continues then we might see another conference where imports can play, but All-Filipino is the best conference for me so I'm happy with All-Filipino in this entire year.

It is the best and I say in our current status of the country because of the pandemic. But I'd also want to watch with imports.

Of course, we used to watching games with imports as well and it's not a problem now that vaccine is already arriving and some are already getting it. With a big organization like PBA, they can afford to get everyone a vaccine and especially the imports if it does not receive a vaccine yet, but I doubt since other countries are more advance so before an import will go to the Philippines, it's assume that he already receive a vaccine.

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Quote from: harizen on March 17, 2021, 03:51:13 PM

Quote from: blockman on March 16, 2021, 09:06:56 AM

AFAIK, there are two cups this time. Philippine's Cup and Governor's Cup.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_PBA_season)

That's the plan but Governor's cup is not yet fixed on their table.

Governor's Cup requires hiring import players and future plans will depend on the Covid-18 status in the country. But I'm positive that after the All-Filipino Cup (which will last around 3 months if no problem will happen along the way), we could at least see some good changes in our country, especially in the capital, regarding our status this pandemic.

I hope that they can do that on the set date that they've given. We would love to watch both cups one after the other.

Quote from: Maslate on March 17, 2021, 04:58:36 PM

There last conference was the All Filipino but yes no conference after that so we start this year with all Filipino as well. If the conference is continues then we might see another conference where imports can play, but All-Filipino is the best conference for me so I'm happy with All-Filipino in this entire year.

It is the best and I say in our current status of the country because of the pandemic. But I'd also want to watch with imports.

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Quote from: harizen on March 17, 2021, 03:51:13 PM

So this year, the season will start from All-Filipino which usually starts around March if no pandemic happened.

There last conference was the All Filipino but yes no conference after that so we start this year with all Filipino as well. If the conference is continues then we might see another conference where imports can play, but All-Filipino is the best conference for me so I'm happy with All-Filipino in this entire year.

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Quote from: Vaculin on March 16, 2021, 08:00:43 AM

So we are still in All Filipino Cup? I thought the last time was still a Filipino Cup..

Every year, the season resets from All-Filipino Cup regardless of what conference played at last year (in case of conference suspensions like what happened to during pandemic or some issues which I think never happened before IIRC).

So this year, the season will start from All-Filipino which usually starts around March if no pandemic happened.

Quote from: blockman on March 16, 2021, 09:06:56 AM

AFAIK, there are two cups this time. Philippine's Cup and Governor's Cup.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_PBA_season)

That's the plan but Governor's cup is not yet fixed on their table.

Governor's Cup requires hiring import players and future plans will depend on the Covid-18 status in the country. But I'm positive that after the All-Filipino Cup (which will last around 3 months if no problem will happen along the way), we could at least see some good changes in our country, especially in the capital, regarding our status this pandemic.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 16, 2021, 09:22:54 AM

Quote from: blockman on March 16, 2021, 09:06:56 AM

Quote from: Vaculin on March 16, 2021, 08:00:43 AM

So we are still in All Filipino Cup? I thought the last time was still a Filipino Cup.. well, if that's what it is then I guess it would be more fun and the depending champion here is still the Ginebra San Miguel.

I think Ginebra will reign if Fajardo will not be fully healthy in the coming season.

What do you think about the chance of the SMB?

AFAIK, there are two cups this time. Philippine's Cup and Governor's Cup.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_PBA_season)
And for the chance of SMB, I think most of them have chance but it's just that Ginebra is still the favor of the crowd.

No doubt that they are the heavy favorite (BGSM) after the last bubble where we see a well balance team, and with CStan to help them defending the ring.

Though we also hear good news from other teams, a very good test for each teams to comes up and show how this long vacation
and the changes of the current settings develops much better blends from each franchise.

BGSM is one of the famous crowd favorite, let see how they'll going to face bigger challenge from their sister company(SMB)

That's all we have to wait until the season starts. They can have their own power up through the acquisition and addition or trade of their players.
Can't judge yet by looking at the rosters because they have their own strengths and weaknesses and it will still depend how they'll play when the season comes in.

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Quote from: mezzaluna on March 17, 2021, 12:06:44 PM

Also, let us hope that at least most players are willing to be vaccinated despite the different factors regarding the vaccination rolling out in our country.

I'm sure every player will be vaccinated whether they like it or not as it was mandatory and to be fair to everyone. There are priorities first on the line as the current doses secured by the country are limited so players won't likely to be vaccinated right away.

We should just hope that everything will be properly organized in the new venue. It's not a bubble system like last season but the said venue, Ynares Center, is the only venue they will play at throughout the season.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 17, 2021, 07:05:56 AM

I missed this one so I think it's worth sharing as he is popular.

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/pba-draft-andre-paras-goes-to-blackwater/203367

Andre Paras to blackwater, I think he would be a great help to the team especially with his rebounding skills.
I saw some of his game in D league and there was this one game where he made a total of 22 rebounds in one game.

you can read it here https://www.spin.ph/basketball/d-league/andre-paras-frustration-mounts-as-22-rebound-game-goes-for-naught-in-ama-loss

Glad to know that he landed his feet to PBA, I was able to watch him before Kobe made his name. If I remember it correctly he played back with the fighting maroons.

Though the team that he's going to play is not that competitive, it's also a good exposure for him. Just hoping that the coach will give him
enough time playing.

Might not be strong as he's father nor he's younger bro, but still he's a Paras anyway. Best of luck for his career!

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