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Quote from: blockman on March 20, 2021, 06:09:41 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on March 20, 2021, 05:38:52 PM

Quote from: blockman on March 20, 2021, 05:21:53 PM

He really is pressured, poor guy, has a talent but I think it's his manager that did wrong decision for him after the G league and Gilas pull back. I'm confused with the news about him in Gilas again.

I agree with, it was a bad decision because he should be focusing in the US since he is not really a star player or something. I am not following his career status, I'm just waiting for some news about him and looks like the hype is gone and he is not anymore playing with the G league?

https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/story/_/id/30950404/kai-sotto-not-rejoin-nba-g-league-ignite-season

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Kai Sotto will not return to the NBA G League Ignite this season

Maybe we will see him next season? but it's just a waste of opportunity that he is not playing anymore.

He's been out with the G League with what I've read it's sort of being kicked because of the Gilas when he went back here. That's like a non verbatim information for me. But if someone has more accurate information, correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't think that he'll be back to G league, he can look for other opportunities in other leagues like in Euro or Australia and the usual, if most of those fails, he'll just go to PBA.

That's very unfortunate of him, he should have not traveled to the Philippines if that would happen to him. He should priorities his NBA dream as our KABAYAN's will be proud of him if he will make it to the NBA. Now, it looks like he has a little problem, hopefully he can still come back but his stats in the G League AFAIK is not really that impressive.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 20, 2021, 05:38:52 PM

Quote from: blockman on March 20, 2021, 05:21:53 PM

He really is pressured, poor guy, has a talent but I think it's his manager that did wrong decision for him after the G league and Gilas pull back. I'm confused with the news about him in Gilas again.

I agree with, it was a bad decision because he should be focusing in the US since he is not really a star player or something. I am not following his career status, I'm just waiting for some news about him and looks like the hype is gone and he is not anymore playing with the G league?

https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/story/_/id/30950404/kai-sotto-not-rejoin-nba-g-league-ignite-season

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Kai Sotto will not return to the NBA G League Ignite this season

Maybe we will see him next season? but it's just a waste of opportunity that he is not playing anymore.

He's been out with the G League with what I've read it's sort of being kicked because of the Gilas when he went back here. That's like a non verbatim information for me. But if someone has more accurate information, correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't think that he'll be back to G league, he can look for other opportunities in other leagues like in Euro or Australia and the usual, if most of those fails, he'll just go to PBA.

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Quote from: blockman on March 20, 2021, 05:21:53 PM

He really is pressured, poor guy, has a talent but I think it's his manager that did wrong decision for him after the G league and Gilas pull back. I'm confused with the news about him in Gilas again.

I agree with, it was a bad decision because he should be focusing in the US since he is not really a star player or something. I am not following his career status, I'm just waiting for some news about him and looks like the hype is gone and he is not anymore playing with the G league?

https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/story/_/id/30950404/kai-sotto-not-rejoin-nba-g-league-ignite-season

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Kai Sotto will not return to the NBA G League Ignite this season

Maybe we will see him next season? but it's just a waste of opportunity that he is not playing anymore.

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Quote from: Distinctin on March 20, 2021, 04:20:18 PM

Quote from: blockman on March 20, 2021, 03:56:55 PM

We don't see any interest with those teams because they haven't proved themselves to be a caliber as a champ. But that soon will change if ever they'll get in even just to the finals.
I'm also bored and it seems that it's a long wait but soon the long wait is going to be over.

Though obviously they will not get into the Finals but as long as they can compete and get some wins, I guess that would be enough to call a team a improve team. Honestly, I like the Blackwater when Ray Parks was playing, especially when they always have an import.

In all Filipino Cup, it's really different as its SMB or Ginebra will dominate as they have the best big man in the league.

They have to strengthen their team and hopefully their franchise will remain in the league for more years. In that strategy, they will likely to even get a chance into the finals.

Quote from: Russlenat on March 20, 2021, 05:14:00 PM

So this guy really has a lot of bashers?

I thought because of his reply, there will be more and more criticism against him, and I guess the way I looked it, he is pressured and his career in the US is not doing well, just a wild guess.

Kai Sotto breaks social media silence with clapback at bashers

He really is pressured, poor guy, has a talent but I think it's his manager that did wrong decision for him after the G league and Gilas pull back. I'm confused with the news about him in Gilas again.

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So this guy really has a lot of bashers?

I thought because of his reply, there will be more and more criticism against him, and I guess the way I looked it, he is pressured and his career in the US is not doing well, just a wild guess.

Kai Sotto breaks social media silence with clapback at bashers

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Quote from: harizen on March 18, 2021, 05:26:39 PM

Quote from: mirakal on March 18, 2021, 05:17:00 PM

Blackwater will still not improve this season, they release their young players and they have to deal with that, the good thing is there's no high expectation from this team so they can just play like they are a D league team. Grin

I've honestly seen no seriousness at this franchise since then. Yes, a small company compared to other franchises and hardly can get a big fish but we can see how bad they are with their actions about trading their players especially the key ones.

That's why some people considered them before as a secret farm team because of that actions.

We can't blame the people, they are just frustrated seeing that a team is starting to improve but suddenly their best player is traded. Blackwater and DYIP is very much consistent with that....Hmmm.. I'm bored now, I can't wait to see the season opens as I have more luck in PBA than in NBA.

We don't see any interest with those teams because they haven't proved themselves to be a caliber as a champ. But that soon will change if ever they'll get in even just to the finals.
I'm also bored and it seems that it's a long wait but soon the long wait is going to be over.

Though obviously they will not get into the Finals but as long as they can compete and get some wins, I guess that would be enough to call a team a improve team. Honestly, I like the Blackwater when Ray Parks was playing, especially when they always have an import.

In all Filipino Cup, it's really different as its SMB or Ginebra will dominate as they have the best big man in the league.

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Quote from: mirakal on March 20, 2021, 06:36:45 AM

Quote from: harizen on March 18, 2021, 05:26:39 PM

Quote from: mirakal on March 18, 2021, 05:17:00 PM

Blackwater will still not improve this season, they release their young players and they have to deal with that, the good thing is there's no high expectation from this team so they can just play like they are a D league team. Grin

I've honestly seen no seriousness at this franchise since then. Yes, a small company compared to other franchises and hardly can get a big fish but we can see how bad they are with their actions about trading their players especially the key ones.

That's why some people considered them before as a secret farm team because of that actions.

We can't blame the people, they are just frustrated seeing that a team is starting to improve but suddenly their best player is traded. Blackwater and DYIP is very much consistent with that....Hmmm.. I'm bored now, I can't wait to see the season opens as I have more luck in PBA than in NBA.

We don't see any interest with those teams because they haven't proved themselves to be a caliber as a champ. But that soon will change if ever they'll get in even just to the finals.
I'm also bored and it seems that it's a long wait but soon the long wait is going to be over.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 19, 2021, 08:07:15 AM

is max deal the same salary with other team players who get a max deal, or lower?

Generally, it's not the same per player regardless if they are rookie, veteran, etc. In a simple explanation, max deal "within" the allowed cap for a player. In that case, that rookie was offered the maximum salary on that tier. Not all rookies are being offered on that kind of contract.

That's the problem of PBA. No clear information was available to the public. Even Coach Yeng before having concerns regarding the difference of minimum and maximum salaries to be offered and allowed per team.

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Quote from: harizen on March 18, 2021, 05:26:39 PM

Quote from: mirakal on March 18, 2021, 05:17:00 PM

Blackwater will still not improve this season, they release their young players and they have to deal with that, the good thing is there's no high expectation from this team so they can just play like they are a D league team. Grin

I've honestly seen no seriousness at this franchise since then. Yes, a small company compared to other franchises and hardly can get a big fish but we can see how bad they are with their actions about trading their players especially the key ones.

That's why some people considered them before as a secret farm team because of that actions.

They are known to be a farm team so I expect this to happen, I don't know if they have bargain agreement to big companies but this activities should be stop so that PBA will not be wreck. The game is pretty much predictable right now so hoping the top management of PBA will give back the balance of the game so that we can enjoy watching it the same as before .

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Although still shocked to learn that the Big J has battled pneumonia and a blood abnormality since last year, all four are hoping and keeping their fingers crossed the 75-year-old basketball icon is on his way to full recovery.

Let's hope for JAWO full recovery, he is a legend in sports, an ICON and he made the Ginebra San Miguel popular.

I never know that he is battling with a disease because he is always present every time Ginebra has a big game.

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Quote from: harizen on March 18, 2021, 05:26:39 PM

Quote from: mirakal on March 18, 2021, 05:17:00 PM

Blackwater will still not improve this season, they release their young players and they have to deal with that, the good thing is there's no high expectation from this team so they can just play like they are a D league team. Grin

I've honestly seen no seriousness at this franchise since then. Yes, a small company compared to other franchises and hardly can get a big fish but we can see how bad they are with their actions about trading their players especially the key ones.

That's why some people considered them before as a secret farm team because of that actions.

We can't blame the people, they are just frustrated seeing that a team is starting to improve but suddenly their best player is traded. Blackwater and DYIP is very much consistent with that....Hmmm.. I'm bored now, I can't wait to see the season opens as I have more luck in PBA than in NBA.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 19, 2021, 01:58:36 AM

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P.S. I forgot that they got Andre Paras in the recent draft pick. Their owner said that it was the biggest steal in the draft pick. Any takeaways with this?? Aside from the marketing side which is pretty obvious.

Not a bad pick for me. Even Andre Paras was focused more on his showbiz career before, he's still the best against most players in the league in terms of basketball performance. He is a basketball enthusiast since he was a kid, a college player (on which it's hard to be selected), and others say more athletic than Kobe Paras if he seriously pursues his basketball career way back.

Let see if he will able to help the BlackWater's rally this upcoming season. If his performance will be good throughout the season, watch out for trading him to a big team. Cheesy

A player that isn't that good in shooting although he can shoot threes but the strength of Paras is the fact that he is very hardworking inside the paint. In his past leagues, he averaged about 6-7 rebounds a game and there is one time that he got 20+ rebounds in 2 consecutive games. That enough can be a proof that he will be a good addition to the team. I just hope that they will give him enough minutes because he can be a good rebounder although his height is shorter compare to the other big guys in the league like Sanggalang, Fajardo, Aguilar, Almazan etc.

Quote from: Russlenat on March 19, 2021, 08:07:15 AM

I'm just curious about the max deal contract, I read this one about a rookie which is the number 1 pick.

Munzon era begins at Terrafirma as No.1 pick signs three-year max deal

is max deal the same salary with other team players who get a max deal, or lower?

If I'm not mistaken, there is a max cap salary of a rookie player though I don't know the exact amount but it is definitely lower than other players (correct me if I'm wrong though). The problem with PBA is they aren't transparent especially with the salary of a player unlike in NBA where you can see all of their salaries.

I will not be surprised if Munzon will be traded into either SMC or MVP team in the next years especially into SMB where their star players are at their post-prime already. I see Dyip as a farming team nothing more and they proved it many times already Cheesy

. Lets just hope that they will not trade Munzon or even Adams in the future if they really want to "rebuild" the team.

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Quote from: chaser15 on March 18, 2021, 06:23:51 PM

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So most probably not only Blackwater is a farm team but the Terraferma DYIP as well.

And after all that big trades releasing their respective players, trades are FAIR according to these small franchises. Grin

Phoenix, Alaska, and ROS I think are the only teams that are not taking involves in this alleged farm trade, correct me if I'm wrong. I really like to see someday in the Finals that there are no SMC or MVP teams involved.

The chance is very low but let's hope for that.

When coach Yeng was still coaching the Rain or Shine, I remember they went into the Finals and even win.

Those classic games and Paul Lee was still their main man, lots of things have already change with the Rain or shine now but they still have that swag in the court that's why I love this team. They are now under a new coach, hopefully they'll improve this season.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 19, 2021, 08:07:15 AM

I'm just curious about the max deal contract, I read this one about a rookie which is the number 1 pick.

Munzon era begins at Terrafirma as No.1 pick signs three-year max deal

is max deal the same salary with other team players who get a max deal, or lower?

I'm not sure but from how I recall it rookie have a maximum salary of 150K/month,.

while PBA players maximum salary is 420K, though for superstar for sure there are additional bonuses and some allowances that
behind the regular contract.

That's the very reason why stars are eyeing to land with either SMB Corp or Pangilinan group of companies for much better bonuses.

There's really a big difference, so for 3 years this rookie is only getting 150k per month, I guess that's only a small amount considering the inflation now and that he might not receive a lot of bonuses and the like since he is not playing in a championship contender team.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 19, 2021, 08:07:15 AM

I'm just curious about the max deal contract, I read this one about a rookie which is the number 1 pick.

Munzon era begins at Terrafirma as No.1 pick signs three-year max deal

is max deal the same salary with other team players who get a max deal, or lower?

They're different but he could be classified as tier 1 in the rookies but has to upgrade for the upcoming years to get the same maximum contract as what the superstars are getting.

Quote from: carlisle1 on March 19, 2021, 08:30:10 AM

That's the very reason why stars are eyeing to land with either SMB Corp or Pangilinan group of companies for much better bonuses.

And as well as a better stay which will really land them security as they stay on those teams.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 19, 2021, 08:07:15 AM

I'm just curious about the max deal contract, I read this one about a rookie which is the number 1 pick.

Munzon era begins at Terrafirma as No.1 pick signs three-year max deal

is max deal the same salary with other team players who get a max deal, or lower?

I'm not sure but from how I recall it rookie have a maximum salary of 150K/month,.

while PBA players maximum salary is 420K, though for superstar for sure there are additional bonuses and some allowances that
behind the regular contract.

That's the very reason why stars are eyeing to land with either SMB Corp or Pangilinan group of companies for much better bonuses.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 19, 2021, 08:07:15 AM

I'm just curious about the max deal contract, I read this one about a rookie which is the number 1 pick.

Munzon era begins at Terrafirma as No.1 pick signs three-year max deal

is max deal the same salary with other team players who get a max deal, or lower?

No it's not, the last i knew it's Php150K max a month for a rookie while it's Php400K+ for a superstar.

If the rookie is overwhelming good, i think there is something given under the table.

I remember once that Pringle have that situation, though we have no proof but i do think the agent is the one settling this issue.

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I'm just curious about the max deal contract, I read this one about a rookie which is the number 1 pick.

Munzon era begins at Terrafirma as No.1 pick signs three-year max deal

is max deal the same salary with other team players who get a max deal, or lower?

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Quote from: Finestream on March 19, 2021, 02:19:46 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on March 19, 2021, 01:58:36 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on March 18, 2021, 09:37:36 PM

P.S. I forgot that they got Andre Paras in the recent draft pick. Their owner said that it was the biggest steal in the draft pick. Any takeaways with this?? Aside from the marketing side which is pretty obvious.

Not a bad pick for me. Even Andre Paras was focused more on his showbiz career before, he's still the best against most players in the league in terms of basketball performance. He is a basketball enthusiast since he was a kid, a college player (on which it's hard to be selected), and others say more athletic than Kobe Paras if he seriously pursues his basketball career way back.

Let see if he will able to help the BlackWater's rally this upcoming season. If his performance will be good throughout the season, watch out for trading him to a big team. Cheesy

He is now ready to focus on his basketball career, he is a good ambassador for blackwater, he can promote not only the them but their product as well as he has a lot of followers. When judging him, we don't look on his popularity but on his performance in the court and I guess he will do just fine with the BW.

No doubt he can help the BlackWater in market as he is a lot of followers in his social media accounts.

On his twitter, he has over 200k followers, https://twitter.com/andreparas95
I'm not sure if that's a legit one but with that huge follower, most likely its his twitter handle.

His facebook too https://web.facebook.com/AndreParas3000/?_rdc=1&_rdr.. with over 100k followers.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 19, 2021, 01:58:36 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on March 18, 2021, 09:37:36 PM

P.S. I forgot that they got Andre Paras in the recent draft pick. Their owner said that it was the biggest steal in the draft pick. Any takeaways with this?? Aside from the marketing side which is pretty obvious.

Not a bad pick for me. Even Andre Paras was focused more on his showbiz career before, he's still the best against most players in the league in terms of basketball performance. He is a basketball enthusiast since he was a kid, a college player (on which it's hard to be selected), and others say more athletic than Kobe Paras if he seriously pursues his basketball career way back.

Let see if he will able to help the BlackWater's rally this upcoming season. If his performance will be good throughout the season, watch out for trading him to a big team. Cheesy

He is now ready to focus on his basketball career, he is a good ambassador for blackwater, he can promote not only the them but their product as well as he has a lot of followers. When judging him, we don't look on his popularity but on his performance in the court and I guess he will do just fine with the BW.

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