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Quote from: Finestream on July 05, 2020, 05:51:38 AM

AFAIK, JMF's salary is only Php 500, 000 per month, so yeah, Thirdy has a higher salary than him and hopefully it's not an insult to the PBA that they can't provide a good salary that's some player starting to choose playing abroad.

JMF salary that we know by papers is indeed much lesser than the offer for Thirdy, but remember there's also info that Danny I (Lakai) said about underground or outside the contract and it's much bigger than the regular salary.

Quote from: Finestream on July 05, 2020, 05:51:38 AM

This guy Kai sotto has the highest salary per month.

Kai Sotto G League deal worth at least P10M for five months, says report

So even if he will fail on his journey in the USA, I don't think PBA would be the next to offer him a good salary, most probably other league are also aiming for him.

In regards to Kai, after NBA G-League if ever he didn't made it, Euroleague might be he's next destination. If money matters the league can give bigger offers.

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Quote from: ultrloa on July 05, 2020, 06:18:58 AM

But mostly Philippines always win over japan so this show that they are soft,

It doesn't mean like that as even if the Philippines have most wins over Japan, but the game is very competitive.
There are also times we loss against Japan as they also have great players in their roster.

Remember that they have an NBA player in their team, which is Rui Hachimura.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2019/06/20/wiz-make-hachimura-1st-japanese-player-ever-in-nba-1st-rd/39609071/

Quote from: ultrloa on July 05, 2020, 06:18:58 AM

I don't think thirdy can learn big from that league if he will accept that

He already did.
here's the news for that - https://sports.abs-cbn.com/basketball/news/2020/06/24/thirdy-signs-san-en-neophoenix-japana-s-b-league-69006

Quote from: ultrloa on July 05, 2020, 06:18:58 AM

and much better if he stays on Philippines and prepare for PBA since he can earn more money rather than playing at that rate, imagine how big disaster if he can get an injury for that matters so best he will stick on playing on PH if the offer is not good.

If you read the post above, he is earning more than what the best player in the PBA is earning, so if it's all about money, he made a good decision signing with San-en NeoPhoenix in Japan’s B.League.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 05, 2020, 04:45:45 AM

Quote from: ultrloa on July 05, 2020, 04:39:01 AM

He deserves to earn that numbers plus he plays overseas so it will be bad decision for him if he takes that $8,000-$10,000 per month, And if he accept that really since there was a statement that salary is not factor then provably its a wrong decision if that's true.

Yeah of course, that salary is something very attractive for a young player who hasn't played in the PBA yet and has not earn close to that amount yet.
I'm not sure how much he is earning during college if they have pay, but pretty sure not big enough to compete with what he signed for now.

Quote from: ultrloa on July 05, 2020, 04:39:01 AM

It's better for him to play in phils since he can earned more and will be trained well by the elite coaches on PBA.

He can't earn that amount in the Philippines playing in the PBA as a rookie, with his salary now, he is even getting paid bigger than JMF if it's true that he is earning at least 1 million pesos per month.

But mostly Philippines always win over japan so this show that they are soft, I don't think thirdy can learn big from that league if he will accept that and much better if he stays on Philippines and prepare for PBA since he can earn more money rather than playing at that rate, imagine how big disaster if he can get an injury for that matters so best he will stick on playing on PH if the offer is not good.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 05, 2020, 04:45:45 AM

Quote from: ultrloa on July 05, 2020, 04:39:01 AM

It's better for him to play in phils since he can earned more and will be trained well by the elite coaches on PBA.

He can't earn that amount in the Philippines playing in the PBA as a rookie, with his salary now, he is even getting paid bigger than JMF if it's true that he is earning at least 1 million pesos per month.

AFAIK, JMF's salary is only Php 500, 000 per month, so yeah, Thirdy has a higher salary than him and hopefully it's not an insult to the PBA that they can't provide a good salary that's some player starting to choose playing abroad.

This guy Kai sotto has the highest salary per month.

Kai Sotto G League deal worth at least P10M for five months, says report

So even if he will fail on his journey in the USA, I don't think PBA would be the next to offer him a good salary, most probably other league are also aiming for him.

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Quote from: ultrloa on July 05, 2020, 04:39:01 AM

He deserves to earn that numbers plus he plays overseas so it will be bad decision for him if he takes that $8,000-$10,000 per month, And if he accept that really since there was a statement that salary is not factor then provably its a wrong decision if that's true.

Yeah of course, that salary is something very attractive for a young player who hasn't played in the PBA yet and has not earn close to that amount yet.
I'm not sure how much he is earning during college if they have pay, but pretty sure not big enough to compete with what he signed for now.

Quote from: ultrloa on July 05, 2020, 04:39:01 AM

It's better for him to play in phils since he can earned more and will be trained well by the elite coaches on PBA.

He can't earn that amount in the Philippines playing in the PBA as a rookie, with his salary now, he is even getting paid bigger than JMF if it's true that he is earning at least 1 million pesos per month.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 05, 2020, 02:57:37 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 05, 2020, 02:24:03 AM

I'm browsing the internet (facebook) and I see this post from Snow Badua

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‪Sources told me THIRDY RAVENA’s contract in JAPAN is worth between $8,000-10,000 per month.‬
‪The offer to lure CALVIN ABUEVA is $150,000 for ten months (ALL IN, free board and lodging).‬
‪Another JAPANESE target is TERRENCE ROMEO.‬
‪More to come... will write about this in @spinph ‬

Although this has been posted June 28, I already know that Abueva has been offered many times already in Japan but what I don't know is even Terrence Romeo is being offered too in other countries.
What are your opinions with this?? Do you like to have Abueva and Romeo on Japan Cheesy

$8,000-10,000 per month I think that's too small.

According to the article. https://www.spin.ph/basketball/thirdy-ravena-says-salary-not-a-factor-in-decision-to-join-san-en-a2437-20200627?ref=article_tag

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Ravena's terms were not disclosed, but based on a Japan Times report last November, the average base salary for players in the B.League in the 2018-19 season was at Y16.1 million (P7.5 million).

So let's compute, if it's for one season based on NBA, it's just 8 months.. I don't know about the B-League, but we will use it as an example.
Based on the information, that is only an average salary, so that's 7.5 million over 8 months equals, that's Php 937,500, and bear in mind that Thirdy Ravena is not an average player, he was signed as an import ,so probably he will be earning at least 1 million pesos per month.

He deserves to earn that numbers plus he plays overseas so it will be bad decision for him if he takes that $8,000-$10,000 per month, And if he accept that really since there was a statement that salary is not factor then provably its a wrong decision if that's true. I find japanese players are so soft we already see how they played on FIBA and filipino players always beat them.

It's better for him to play in phils since he can earned more and will be trained well by the elite coaches on PBA.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 05, 2020, 02:24:03 AM

I'm browsing the internet (facebook) and I see this post from Snow Badua

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LAPAD
‪Sources told me THIRDY RAVENA’s contract in JAPAN is worth between $8,000-10,000 per month.‬
‪The offer to lure CALVIN ABUEVA is $150,000 for ten months (ALL IN, free board and lodging).‬
‪Another JAPANESE target is TERRENCE ROMEO.‬
‪More to come... will write about this in @spinph ‬

Although this has been posted June 28, I already know that Abueva has been offered many times already in Japan but what I don't know is even Terrence Romeo is being offered too in other countries.
What are your opinions with this?? Do you like to have Abueva and Romeo on Japan Cheesy

$8,000-10,000 per month I think that's too small.

According to the article. https://www.spin.ph/basketball/thirdy-ravena-says-salary-not-a-factor-in-decision-to-join-san-en-a2437-20200627?ref=article_tag

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Ravena's terms were not disclosed, but based on a Japan Times report last November, the average base salary for players in the B.League in the 2018-19 season was at Y16.1 million (P7.5 million).

So let's compute, if it's for one season based on NBA, it's just 8 months.. I don't know about the B-League, but we will use it as an example.
Based on the information, that is only an average salary, so that's 7.5 million over 8 months equals, that's Php 937,500, and bear in mind that Thirdy Ravena is not an average player, he was signed as an import ,so probably he will be earning at least 1 million pesos per month.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 05, 2020, 02:24:03 AM

I'm browsing the internet (facebook) and I see this post from Snow Badua

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LAPAD
‪Sources told me THIRDY RAVENA’s contract in JAPAN is worth between $8,000-10,000 per month.‬
‪The offer to lure CALVIN ABUEVA is $150,000 for ten months (ALL IN, free board and lodging).‬
‪Another JAPANESE target is TERRENCE ROMEO.‬
‪More to come... will write about this in @spinph ‬

Although this has been posted June 28, I already know that Abueva has been offered many times already in Japan but what I don't know is even Terrence Romeo is being offered too in other countries.
What are your opinions with this?? Do you like to have Abueva and Romeo on Japan Cheesy

Wow, that's really enticing offer and surely will benefits filipino players, with Ravena's acceptance of the deal it's not impossible for more players to go and play from this prestigious league. If I remember it correctly Abueva still aiming to play inside PBA but if there's no directives from the governors sure that he will sign it up since he needs to live and feed his family.

In terms of Romeo, he already inside the biggest franchise and if there's an offer that he might be entice with definitely it's a huge amount of money.

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I'm browsing the internet (facebook) and I see this post from Snow Badua

Quote

LAPAD
‪Sources told me THIRDY RAVENA’s contract in JAPAN is worth between $8,000-10,000 per month.‬
‪The offer to lure CALVIN ABUEVA is $150,000 for ten months (ALL IN, free board and lodging).‬
‪Another JAPANESE target is TERRENCE ROMEO.‬
‪More to come... will write about this in @spinph ‬

Although this has been posted June 28, I already know that Abueva has been offered many times already in Japan but what I don't know is even Terrence Romeo is being offered too in other countries.
What are your opinions with this?? Do you like to have Abueva and Romeo on Japan Cheesy

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Quote from: Gibreil on July 04, 2020, 08:51:33 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 03, 2020, 05:29:21 AM

Some good news for the PBA fans here as training for basketball got a go signal from the IATF. Hoping that NCR will shifted to MGCQ status soon so official games can return and also hoping that the PBA will lay out their plans for the resumption of games.

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Boost for PBA as IATF clears resumption of pro basketball, football training

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/boost-for-pba-as-iatf-clears-resumption-of-basketball-football-training-a1374-20200703?ref=home_featured_big

Good news! My eagerness overflow to bet in my Favorite teams such as TnT Katropa and Phoenix Fuel. When the lockdown was started till now, I did not have any info about the continuation of this league. Is Calvin Abueva return already?

There's no information about the return of abueva, he is still suspended until now and I don't know when he will return, it looks like he has not complied all the requirement yet for his suspension to be lifted.

Quote from: Gibreil on July 04, 2020, 08:51:33 AM

I am fan of PBA but I think a lot of changes will happen when the season started. Just like the number of people who can watch in court or physical distancing to all (except for the players) in order to have safety measures regarding to stop spreading the virus.

That remains to be seen as there's no proper guidelines yet, but whatever would be the new normal I'd definitely enjoy watching PBA since they give some kind of entertainment to me, or to us, and of course the betting opportunity will be back.

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Quote from: Russlenat on July 04, 2020, 02:10:09 AM

Quote from: GDragon on July 03, 2020, 11:21:38 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on July 03, 2020, 12:21:44 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 03, 2020, 05:29:21 AM

Some good news for the PBA fans here as training for basketball got a go signal from the IATF. Hoping that NCR will shifted to MGCQ status soon so official games can return and also hoping that the PBA will lay out their plans for the resumption of games.

I read this news yesterday, not just in basketball but for other large sports as well.

The question now is when NCR will be shifted to MGCQ before PBA can be considered to resume. Looking at the recent stats of COVID-19 here in PH, the newest confirmed cases is 1,531.

As much as I want to think that everything will be fine and PBA will soon resume, I think the possibility is now slim or near zero.

Yup, I didn't see PBA coming back soon with the cases, I think the league can continue as soon as they got the go signal but they can't really assure the safety of the players and staff involved. I just can't see that our country is getting better for them to continue on september. Its good that they allowed the training already, but they still prohobits 1 on 1, 5 on 5, so individual training only.

The rise of number of cases should not hinder the resumption of the PBA, this is business, if they can't continue, lots of jobs will be loss and that would create bigger problem sooner or later. What I'm trying to expound is, if the NBA is scheduled to resume this month, that is despite of the fact that the number of cases are still growing, I don't think we in the Philippines can't manage that.

If we will follow the model the NBA has employed, I think nothing is impossible.

it is really possible, business will start if they really want it. They can follow the NBA's plan, what I'm thinking is if PBA can afford it. Do we have a place to quarantine the players and its staff, just like disney world in orlando which they called "orlando bubble". They also have 113 page health plan on how they will handle the league with the virus. If the PBA is planning to resume on september, they should also have a plan like that. Where will the players will stay, testing for all the players and staff too. What will be their plan in case there's a positive case with one of the players and staff? and etc. Just like I've said, they can continue, but I hope they can provide a solid plan before continuing. Cause one positive case can make the league stop again.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 03, 2020, 05:29:21 AM

Some good news for the PBA fans here as training for basketball got a go signal from the IATF. Hoping that NCR will shifted to MGCQ status soon so official games can return and also hoping that the PBA will lay out their plans for the resumption of games.

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Boost for PBA as IATF clears resumption of pro basketball, football training

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/boost-for-pba-as-iatf-clears-resumption-of-basketball-football-training-a1374-20200703?ref=home_featured_big

Good news! My eagerness overflow to bet in my Favorite teams such as TnT Katropa and Phoenix Fuel. When the lockdown was started till now, I did not have any info about the continuation of this league. Is Calvin Abueva return already?

I am fan of PBA but I think a lot of changes will happen when the season started. Just like the number of people who can watch in court or physical distancing to all (except for the players) in order to have safety measures regarding to stop spreading the virus.

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Good news, Greg Slaughter seems to be still interested in playing in the PBA again.

I thought he is gone in the PBA for good, but this is the latest news about him.

Slaughter on 'strange' Ginebra deal, US training, desire to play for Gilas

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GREG Slaughter has his eyes set on playing an integral part for the Gilas Pilipinas side that will compete in the FIBA Basketball World Cup come 2023.

The former Ginebra big man also said he is open to a return to the PBA and Barangay Ginebra on Friday in his very first comments since stunning the basketball world by announced he was taking a sabbatical from basketball back in February.

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Quote from: Fredomago on July 04, 2020, 03:03:42 AM

If there are more cases to shows up, it's better not to pursue since the chance of spreading more will harm people. We all love seeing our fav teams to play back, this indication where we are seeing them practicing is a good sign that the league is preparing, teams are bringing back trainings and conditioning practices.

If we will try to simply analyze the situation, in a daily basis there are number of cases being tallied, so why would the Inter-Agency Task Force approved the PBA to start their practice? The trend does not lie, the cases will continue to rise but I think there's a reason why they approved it and I am also optimistic just like the PBA that after this approval will be the resumption of the PBA season.

Quote from: Fredomago on July 04, 2020, 03:03:42 AM

Practices with right social distancing is far better than none at all, though risk is there but conditioning is very important there's still questions in regards to the time frame of resuming this league.

There's a rule that they will have to follow, they are watching each other to ensure they'll comply with the rules, or they'll get sanction.

and we don't want to see an incident like this happened.

PBA summons Japeth Aguilar, Adrian Wong over video of 5-on-5 game

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Quote from: GDragon on July 03, 2020, 11:21:38 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on July 03, 2020, 12:21:44 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 03, 2020, 05:29:21 AM

Some good news for the PBA fans here as training for basketball got a go signal from the IATF. Hoping that NCR will shifted to MGCQ status soon so official games can return and also hoping that the PBA will lay out their plans for the resumption of games.

I read this news yesterday, not just in basketball but for other large sports as well.

The question now is when NCR will be shifted to MGCQ before PBA can be considered to resume. Looking at the recent stats of COVID-19 here in PH, the newest confirmed cases is 1,531.

As much as I want to think that everything will be fine and PBA will soon resume, I think the possibility is now slim or near zero.

Yup, I didn't see PBA coming back soon with the cases, I think the league can continue as soon as they got the go signal but they can't really assure the safety of the players and staff involved. I just can't see that our country is getting better for them to continue on september. Its good that they allowed the training already, but they still prohobits 1 on 1, 5 on 5, so individual training only.

If there are more cases to shows up, it's better not to pursue since the chance of spreading more will harm people. We all love seeing our fav teams to play back, this indication where we are seeing them practicing is a good sign that the league is preparing, teams are bringing back trainings and conditioning practices.

Practices with right social distancing is far better than none at all, though risk is there but conditioning is very important there's still questions in regards to the time frame of resuming this league.

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Quote from: samputin on July 03, 2020, 10:21:21 PM

Quote from: harizen on July 03, 2020, 01:44:06 PM

Quote from: Vaculin on July 03, 2020, 05:57:35 AM

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Actually, that allowing to resume the practice doesn't increase the chance of PBA to resume. And besides, in their practice, only limited people are allowed. Maybe literally, only players + coach + 2 to 4 staffs (the numbers are just an example). Totally different environment to the actual official game wherein more people are involved.

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Your example is somehow near to the PBA guidelines. Here's a quote from the news I've read.

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Training sessions under the PBA guidelines will be limited to just 6 persons per batch: 4 players, 1 trainer, and 1 safety officer.

I have also watched a news yesterday with the same topic. I must say that that's a good news for us fans. Guess we'll be seeing our favorite teams play again for another conference.

However, you're right that there's still no guarantee that PBA will resume it's game immediately despite allowing the practice. But PBA Commissioner, Willie Marcial, is hoping that by September or October, they can stage a conference.

Hopefully that would happen, that's 2 months from now so maybe if we can see some good improvement on our current problem, then the NBA would resume. However, I don't think even if the rate will decrease the PBA can resume to its norms, why can't they just follow the NBA where they will play without a crowd? I think that would be easier, and we can possibly see the PBA to resume soon.

Quote from: samputin on July 03, 2020, 10:21:21 PM

I just hope that by that time, there will be an improvement. I mean, more recoveries, little to no positive cases, and as much as possible, a vaccine.

Maybe there will be an improvement, but on the vaccine, it's not really that easy and I don't read any news telling that the vaccine will be close to be release this year, most of them are saying the vaccine will be available at least next year.

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Quote from: GDragon on July 03, 2020, 11:21:38 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on July 03, 2020, 12:21:44 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 03, 2020, 05:29:21 AM

Some good news for the PBA fans here as training for basketball got a go signal from the IATF. Hoping that NCR will shifted to MGCQ status soon so official games can return and also hoping that the PBA will lay out their plans for the resumption of games.

I read this news yesterday, not just in basketball but for other large sports as well.

The question now is when NCR will be shifted to MGCQ before PBA can be considered to resume. Looking at the recent stats of COVID-19 here in PH, the newest confirmed cases is 1,531.

As much as I want to think that everything will be fine and PBA will soon resume, I think the possibility is now slim or near zero.

Yup, I didn't see PBA coming back soon with the cases, I think the league can continue as soon as they got the go signal but they can't really assure the safety of the players and staff involved. I just can't see that our country is getting better for them to continue on september. Its good that they allowed the training already, but they still prohobits 1 on 1, 5 on 5, so individual training only.

The rise of number of cases should not hinder the resumption of the PBA, this is business, if they can't continue, lots of jobs will be loss and that would create bigger problem sooner or later. What I'm trying to expound is, if the NBA is scheduled to resume this month, that is despite of the fact that the number of cases are still growing, I don't think we in the Philippines can't manage that.

If we will follow the model the NBA has employed, I think nothing is impossible.

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Quote from: goinmerry on July 03, 2020, 12:21:44 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 03, 2020, 05:29:21 AM

Some good news for the PBA fans here as training for basketball got a go signal from the IATF. Hoping that NCR will shifted to MGCQ status soon so official games can return and also hoping that the PBA will lay out their plans for the resumption of games.

I read this news yesterday, not just in basketball but for other large sports as well.

The question now is when NCR will be shifted to MGCQ before PBA can be considered to resume. Looking at the recent stats of COVID-19 here in PH, the newest confirmed cases is 1,531.

As much as I want to think that everything will be fine and PBA will soon resume, I think the possibility is now slim or near zero.

Yup, I didn't see PBA coming back soon with the cases, I think the league can continue as soon as they got the go signal but they can't really assure the safety of the players and staff involved. I just can't see that our country is getting better for them to continue on september. Its good that they allowed the training already, but they still prohobits 1 on 1, 5 on 5, so individual training only.

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Quote from: harizen on July 03, 2020, 01:44:06 PM

Quote from: Vaculin on July 03, 2020, 05:57:35 AM

<...>

Actually, that allowing to resume the practice doesn't increase the chance of PBA to resume. And besides, in their practice, only limited people are allowed. Maybe literally, only players + coach + 2 to 4 staffs (the numbers are just an example). Totally different environment to the actual official game wherein more people are involved.

<...>

Your example is somehow near to the PBA guidelines. Here's a quote from the news I've read.

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Training sessions under the PBA guidelines will be limited to just 6 persons per batch: 4 players, 1 trainer, and 1 safety officer.

I have also watched a news yesterday with the same topic. I must say that that's a good news for us fans. Guess we'll be seeing our favorite teams play again for another conference.

However, you're right that there's still no guarantee that PBA will resume it's game immediately despite allowing the practice. But PBA Commissioner, Willie Marcial, is hoping that by September or October, they can stage a conference. I just hope that by that time, there will be an improvement. I mean, more recoveries, little to no positive cases, and as much as possible, a vaccine.

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Quote from: Vaculin on July 03, 2020, 05:57:35 AM

That's a good thing for the PBA as heard before that once they have a good signal to start practicing it will be close to resumption of the PBA season.

Actually, that allowing to resume the practice doesn't increase the chance of PBA to resume. And besides, in their practice, only limited people are allowed. Maybe literally, only players + coach + 2 to 4 staffs (the numbers are just an example). Totally different environment to the actual official game wherein more people are involved.

The chance of PBA to resume will depend on the status of Covid-19 cases in the country specifically here in the capital. If the number of confirmed cases will decline in the following weeks until, to the point that we can fairly say, the numbers are controlled, large sports like basketball might be considered resuming.

With more mass testing being held nationwide, it's really expected to see more numbers of confirmed cases. The other day, I thought the increase is somehow slow down as DOH reports only 200+ additional confirmed cases. And yesterday, as stated above, it hops to 1,500+.

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