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Returning to the topic question... the playoff semi-finals are almost starting.

Semi-finals – Thursday 24 March 2022

Path A
Scotland vs Ukraine (20:45 CET)
Wales vs Austria (20:45 CET)

Path B
Russia vs Poland (18:00 CET)
Sweden vs Czech Republic (20:45 CET)

Path C
Italy vs North Macedonia (20:45 CET)
Portugal vs Turkey (20:45 CET)


What are your guesses, based on the current conditions of players in these countries?
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FIFA should stay out of politics but until a certain point not when a country invades a country out of nowhere claiming bullshit like they are going to clean Ukraine from the nazis running the government over there and committing genocide against the Russian minority.It is a fair decision from FIFA following all the international community by condemning Russia out of their competitions and I think for Poland they need to find a new solution but if they can't,then it is normal for them to get 3-0 table result because it is not Poland fault that Russia started an invasion out of nowhere.
Russia is in the wrong here and what they did was a crime against humanity and I hate Putin as much as the next person. However if Fifa really wants to stay out of politics, then just like how they are removing Russia in flags and so forth, they should also remove Qatar from contention to be the world cup place as well considering they are ruining the world to begin with.

It is really not fair to see them being angry over what's going on in Ukraine and then ignore everything else that doesn't bother them personally. There are deaths and wars all around the world constantly and Fifa rarely ever does anything. Russia is wrong, it is good what they did to Russia and I support it, but do it to other bad nations as well.

I especially wonder what will happen once Putin withdraws his troops and the war ends. How will FIFA and UEFA solve that? The sanctions that have been imposed, would they all be removed again? There are a lot of sanctions. By the way, Russia has no significant role in the World Cup, maybe they could survive the group stage with luck, but then it really ends. No one will miss Russia at the World Cup, if they qualify at all. At the moment there is also no team that wants to play against Russia.
I think their decision is final and there is not going to be any way to change it, while some people believe that FIFA should stay away from politics, and I think this should be the case for any sport federation, the truth is that if their members desire to take a side in the political arena then they are going to be forced to do so as well.

And in the current climate the easiest decision for FIFA to take was to take the side which is against Russia, as in the eyes of many people the war seems unjustified, so FIFA did not really had too much of a choice to begin with but to implement those sanctions.
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Ibrahimović has been invited to the Sweden's national team once again - he is among 25 players called up for the World Cup playoffs against Czech Republic.

In other news - Christian Eriksen is back in the Danish squad for the 1st time after that horrible incident at the Euros, although for friendly games. They are playing against Serbia and Netherlands.
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Although as Putin the most person make Russia national country by FIFA and UEFA I think have bad punishment giving to Russia because football can't controlling as politic, what did by FIFA and UEFA banned Russia football federation they have change their rule when talking about not place football and politic, maybe have other country make invasion war like United State, Israel but so far FIFA and UEFA keep silent without give any punishment or suspend for other country make war.

The decision was taken because of the attitude of most national football federations. The majority took the attitude of rejecting playing against Russia or playing any game on Russian territory. We cannot forget that although FIFA is an independent body, it is an association that brings together all, or almost all, national football federations around the world.

If all countries refuse to play Russia, what would FIFA do? Let Russia be world champions without playing? It's not a difficult decision. The rules/laws were never created with this situation in mind in mind.
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I think FIFA itself is constantly under pressure from the political elite. It makes FIFA decide something that many people think the decision is not purely coming from FIFA but because of the interests of certain political elites. It is very difficult especially considering that FIFA is a worldwide football body where almost all countries join there and of course, there will be a desire from each country. That's what might cause FIFA's decision to seem in favor of certain countries or vice versa. But if FIFA sanctions players from certain warring countries while joining a certain team is very unreasonable because the player has nothing to do with the problems out there.
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Russia is in the wrong here and what they did was a crime against humanity and I hate Putin as much as the next person. However if Fifa really wants to stay out of politics, then just like how they are removing Russia in flags and so forth, they should also remove Qatar from contention to be the world cup place as well considering they are ruining the world to begin with.

It is really not fair to see them being angry over what's going on in Ukraine and then ignore everything else that doesn't bother them personally. There are deaths and wars all around the world constantly and Fifa rarely ever does anything. Russia is wrong, it is good what they did to Russia and I support it, but do it to other bad nations as well.
Although as Putin the most person make Russia national country by FIFA and UEFA I think have bad punishment giving to Russia because football can't controlling as politic, what did by FIFA and UEFA banned Russia football federation they have change their rule when talking about not place football and politic, maybe have other country make invasion war like United State, Israel but so far FIFA and UEFA keep silent without give any punishment or suspend for other country make war.
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FIFA should stay out of politics but until a certain point not when a country invades a country out of nowhere claiming bullshit like they are going to clean Ukraine from the nazis running the government over there and committing genocide against the Russian minority.It is a fair decision from FIFA following all the international community by condemning Russia out of their competitions and I think for Poland they need to find a new solution but if they can't,then it is normal for them to get 3-0 table result because it is not Poland fault that Russia started an invasion out of nowhere.
Russia is in the wrong here and what they did was a crime against humanity and I hate Putin as much as the next person. However if Fifa really wants to stay out of politics, then just like how they are removing Russia in flags and so forth, they should also remove Qatar from contention to be the world cup place as well considering they are ruining the world to begin with.

It is really not fair to see them being angry over what's going on in Ukraine and then ignore everything else that doesn't bother them personally. There are deaths and wars all around the world constantly and Fifa rarely ever does anything. Russia is wrong, it is good what they did to Russia and I support it, but do it to other bad nations as well.

I especially wonder what will happen once Putin withdraws his troops and the war ends. How will FIFA and UEFA solve that? The sanctions that have been imposed, would they all be removed again? There are a lot of sanctions. By the way, Russia has no significant role in the World Cup, maybe they could survive the group stage with luck, but then it really ends. No one will miss Russia at the World Cup, if they qualify at all. At the moment there is also no team that wants to play against Russia.
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FIFA should stay out of politics but until a certain point not when a country invades a country out of nowhere claiming bullshit like they are going to clean Ukraine from the nazis running the government over there and committing genocide against the Russian minority.It is a fair decision from FIFA following all the international community by condemning Russia out of their competitions and I think for Poland they need to find a new solution but if they can't,then it is normal for them to get 3-0 table result because it is not Poland fault that Russia started an invasion out of nowhere.
Russia is in the wrong here and what they did was a crime against humanity and I hate Putin as much as the next person. However if Fifa really wants to stay out of politics, then just like how they are removing Russia in flags and so forth, they should also remove Qatar from contention to be the world cup place as well considering they are ruining the world to begin with.

It is really not fair to see them being angry over what's going on in Ukraine and then ignore everything else that doesn't bother them personally. There are deaths and wars all around the world constantly and Fifa rarely ever does anything. Russia is wrong, it is good what they did to Russia and I support it, but do it to other bad nations as well.
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The president of the Swedish Football Federation has already criticized this decision by FIFA. For them, FIFA should have found a new opponent for Poland in the playoff semi-finals. Since he thinks that all teams should compete under the same conditions, that is, facing two games to reach the final stage of the World Cup.

I don't think he is right. Where will FIFA find a new opponent, and it is especially important based on what algorithm? Russia got its place by right, but then received a technical defeat - that means Poland goes further. Why does Poland have to play with someone else to advance? I don't see any reason for this.

This is just a sham. Laws should be applicable equally to everyone. If Russia is suspended based on the complaint by Poland and Sweden, then why these two countries were not suspended for their involvement in Afghanistan and Libya? Here Poland directly benefits from the suspension, because Russia was supposed to play against them. I expected FIFA to stay out of politics, but given their previous history I knew it was not going to happen. And now Poland has got a free pass to the world cup, thanks to the unfair decision by FIFA.

FIFA should stay out of politics but until a certain point not when a country invades a country out of nowhere claiming bullshit like they are going to clean Ukraine from the nazis running the government over there and committing genocide against the Russian minority.It is a fair decision from FIFA following all the international community by condemning Russia out of their competitions and I think for Poland they need to find a new solution but if they can't,then it is normal for them to get 3-0 table result because it is not Poland fault that Russia started an invasion out of nowhere.
Well this is a very sensitive issue, mainly I have never agreed with decisions that are based on politics, for me politics will always be corrupt, wherever it comes from, maybe that is why I don't like it, However, I think that the Russian athletes, in this case the soccer players, are not to blame for what their president is doing or has decided, so what they are achieving worldwide is a horrible Xenophobia against the Russians, and they are also human beings, these sanctions are not for Putin, it is for the Russian people that I know the majority are against that war or invasion, FIFA is also a very corrupt body, and that obviously obeys certain orders from the world elite, They put their affairs and businesses first, and sport last. Unfortunately, this is what moves in the world, and those who have power are the ones who decide, overriding the integrity of many innocent people who have nothing to do with that wow unfair rra that lean against Ukraine.
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The president of the Swedish Football Federation has already criticized this decision by FIFA. For them, FIFA should have found a new opponent for Poland in the playoff semi-finals. Since he thinks that all teams should compete under the same conditions, that is, facing two games to reach the final stage of the World Cup.

I don't think he is right. Where will FIFA find a new opponent, and it is especially important based on what algorithm? Russia got its place by right, but then received a technical defeat - that means Poland goes further. Why does Poland have to play with someone else to advance? I don't see any reason for this.

This is just a sham. Laws should be applicable equally to everyone. If Russia is suspended based on the complaint by Poland and Sweden, then why these two countries were not suspended for their involvement in Afghanistan and Libya? Here Poland directly benefits from the suspension, because Russia was supposed to play against them. I expected FIFA to stay out of politics, but given their previous history I knew it was not going to happen. And now Poland has got a free pass to the world cup, thanks to the unfair decision by FIFA.

FIFA should stay out of politics but until a certain point not when a country invades a country out of nowhere claiming bullshit like they are going to clean Ukraine from the nazis running the government over there and committing genocide against the Russian minority.It is a fair decision from FIFA following all the international community by condemning Russia out of their competitions and I think for Poland they need to find a new solution but if they can't,then it is normal for them to get 3-0 table result because it is not Poland fault that Russia started an invasion out of nowhere.
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The president of the Swedish Football Federation has already criticized this decision by FIFA. For them, FIFA should have found a new opponent for Poland in the playoff semi-finals. Since he thinks that all teams should compete under the same conditions, that is, facing two games to reach the final stage of the World Cup.

I don't think he is right. Where will FIFA find a new opponent, and it is especially important based on what algorithm? Russia got its place by right, but then received a technical defeat - that means Poland goes further. Why does Poland have to play with someone else to advance? I don't see any reason for this.
We will have to read the rulebook to see who is right, however I would guess FIFA is on the right on this, after all default victories do exist in many sports and that includes soccer as well, for example if there is a game scheduled and a team does not make it for some reason then they lose by default, while their opponents get a victory without playing that is worth just as much as any other victory.

If in the rule book of the FIFA there is n fact a rule about teams being disqualified and the opponent getting the win then there is nothing to do about this as those are the rules everyone agreed before the competition even started, and if they would like a change to this rule then they can argue their case if they want, but it should not affect the decision to let Poland move to the next round.

I believe that FIFA is not going to change it’s decision about letting Poland advance, because if they once again make any changes now then it’ll upset other teams hence this decision of theirs is final. Lastly Russia do have the right to appeal, and only if they win that appeal will Poland have to play them, but if they lose then FIFA decision stands and it’s time we all respect their decision as it won’t be changed under any circumstances only exception is Russia winning their appeal.
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Left two weeks later still not any final decision for Russia will suspend from world cup play off against with Poland or not, I want to see match keep depending on schedule without have suspend Russia national football team but FIFA and UEFA have make announcement for suspending until unknow time, that mean two weeks later against Poland will postponed and Poland not need to play on that match, bad decision without qualify to next stage with play and I think all Poland players will not fair get their result.
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I don't think the players will fight in the war but will return to their respective cities and wait for notification from their respective governments. But if the situation in Russia and Ukraine becomes unstable and in a state of emergency, all citizens will be asked to defend their country, which means they will all be at war. Maybe another match will be postponed due to the war situation between Russia and Ukraine, and hopefully, the athletes or teams will not be penalized because they have nothing to do with the war.
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We will have to read the rulebook to see who is right, however I would guess FIFA is on the right on this, after all default victories do exist in many sports and that includes soccer as well, for example if there is a game scheduled and a team does not make it for some reason then they lose by default, while their opponents get a victory without playing that is worth just as much as any other victory.

If in the rule book of the FIFA there is n fact a rule about teams being disqualified and the opponent getting the win then there is nothing to do about this as those are the rules everyone agreed before the competition even started, and if they would like a change to this rule then they can argue their case if they want, but it should not affect the decision to let Poland move to the next round.

No more! There is no specific rule for this type of situation, which happened with Russia.
The rule that exists is that if a team does not attend a game, it loses that game 3-0. In this case, it was a disqualification imposed by the organization, not giving that record of victory to Poland, but guaranteeing the passage to the next round.

Of course, this may seem a little unfair, for the team that will have to play against Poland, and that had to play a game 3/4 days before. But based on the current rules, there's not much to do.
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The president of the Swedish Football Federation has already criticized this decision by FIFA. For them, FIFA should have found a new opponent for Poland in the playoff semi-finals. Since he thinks that all teams should compete under the same conditions, that is, facing two games to reach the final stage of the World Cup.

I don't think he is right. Where will FIFA find a new opponent, and it is especially important based on what algorithm? Russia got its place by right, but then received a technical defeat - that means Poland goes further. Why does Poland have to play with someone else to advance? I don't see any reason for this.
We will have to read the rulebook to see who is right, however I would guess FIFA is on the right on this, after all default victories do exist in many sports and that includes soccer as well, for example if there is a game scheduled and a team does not make it for some reason then they lose by default, while their opponents get a victory without playing that is worth just as much as any other victory.

If in the rule book of the FIFA there is in fact a rule about teams being disqualified and the opponent getting the win then there is nothing to do about this as those are the rules everyone agreed before the competition even started, and if they would like a change to this rule then they can argue their case if they want, but it should not affect the decision to let Poland move to the next round.
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The Poland vs Russia match has been officially cancelled, in the past Poland took the decision not to play in Russia, but now Poland has taken a new decision they are boycotting playing with Russia, last week FIFA has also expelled Russia from the football federation, to replace Russia's replacement, it's really not maybe, because it would violate FIFA laws, other countries did not agree with the decision, taking another country to face Poland in the world cup play offs..
Really pathetic decision from FIFA, if you ask me. Russia was one of the strongest out of the teams that finished second in the initial phase of the qualifying tournament. They were just one place behind the first placed Croatia. Now the question is who will replace Russia. Ideally that slot should be awarded to Slovakia, as they finished third in the group (same points, i.e 14 with Slovenia, but better goal difference). But then, teams like Albania and Romania (18 and 17 points in their groups respectively) will oppose that decision.

Well if anything I was actually really said that the ""Putin said, either Russia plays in the world cup or there will be no World Cup"" is actually not true. I really wanted to see Russia in the World Cup.
Really, disappointed by the decision of FIFA. Now I think FIFA will make another dumb decision by replacing Russia with the team that does not deserve the spot.  Sad

I think that both Russia and Ukraine are not going to be able to play in the world cup as Russia has been banned and Ukraine is just not in a position or situation to play in the world cup. It's good that FIFA decided to postpone the match but how can a team play the world cup if a lot of the players are going to fight in the war?
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The Poland vs Russia match has been officially cancelled, in the past Poland took the decision not to play in Russia, but now Poland has taken a new decision they are boycotting playing with Russia, last week FIFA has also expelled Russia from the football federation, to replace Russia's replacement, it's really not maybe, because it would violate FIFA laws, other countries did not agree with the decision, taking another country to face Poland in the world cup play offs..
Really pathetic decision from FIFA, if you ask me. Russia was one of the strongest out of the teams that finished second in the initial phase of the qualifying tournament. They were just one place behind the first placed Croatia. Now the question is who will replace Russia. Ideally that slot should be awarded to Slovakia, as they finished third in the group (same points, i.e 14 with Slovenia, but better goal difference). But then, teams like Albania and Romania (18 and 17 points in their groups respectively) will oppose that decision.

Well if anything I was actually really said that the ""Putin said, either Russia plays in the world cup or there will be no World Cup"" is actually not true. I really wanted to see Russia in the World Cup.
Really, disappointed by the decision of FIFA. Now I think FIFA will make another dumb decision by replacing Russia with the team that does not deserve the spot.  Sad
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Ukraine has requested that their qualifying game for the WC is postponed. It was supposed to be played in Scotland on March 24th and in Ukraine on March 29th but considering the fact that football has been suspended in Ukraine it remains to be seen how this will be handled.

Both Fifa and the Scottish FA have expressed understanding for the situation and hopefully a solution can be found. If not, unfortunately football is not the most important thing in such situations - but it would be unfair if Ukraine would not get the chance to play.
It is nice that FIFA is trying to accommodate as much as they can the Ukrainian soccer federation, as right now it is impossible to hold a soccer match under the current circumstances.

However if the war drags on it is possible that Ukraine will have to forfeit the match and lose any opportunity to go to the world cup, but at the same time it would be an incredible story if the Ukrainian team could play the qualifiers and made it to the world cup, as without a doubt that would inspire their population during these difficult times they are facing.

I feel really bad for Ukraine but not all hope is lost, as FIFA has postponed the game till June and I’m sure that peace will be established by then so hopefully Ukraine will be able to play the game. Furthermore I believe that Ukraine player’s will be highly motivated to play for their nation in June, and I personally hope that they win this fixture as and when it’s held.

It is nice as FIFA has postponed the game to take place in June so that Ukraine can participate in the game, but no one knows when the Russia-Ukraine war will end, if it still continues by then it won't be a good one for Ukraine to miss it. I just hope everything ends as soon as possible because the war is affecting sport not just in Ukraine but also in Russia.
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The Poland vs Russia match has been officially cancelled, in the past Poland took the decision not to play in Russia, but now Poland has taken a new decision they are boycotting playing with Russia, last week FIFA has also expelled Russia from the football federation, to replace Russia's replacement, it's really not maybe, because it would violate FIFA laws, other countries did not agree with the decision, taking another country to face Poland in the world cup play offs..

Really pathetic decision from FIFA, if you ask me. Russia was one of the strongest out of the teams that finished second in the initial phase of the qualifying tournament. They were just one place behind the first placed Croatia. Now the question is who will replace Russia. Ideally that slot should be awarded to Slovakia, as they finished third in the group (same points, i.e 14 with Slovenia, but better goal difference). But then, teams like Albania and Romania (18 and 17 points in their groups respectively) will oppose that decision.
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The president of the Swedish Football Federation has already criticized this decision by FIFA. For them, FIFA should have found a new opponent for Poland in the playoff semi-finals. Since he thinks that all teams should compete under the same conditions, that is, facing two games to reach the final stage of the World Cup.
I don't think he is right. Where will FIFA find a new opponent, and it is especially important based on what algorithm? Russia got its place by right, but then received a technical defeat - that means Poland goes further. Why does Poland have to play with someone else to advance? I don't see any reason for this.
This is just a sham. Laws should be applicable equally to everyone. If Russia is suspended based on the complaint by Poland and Sweden, then why these two countries were not suspended for their involvement in Afghanistan and Libya? Here Poland directly benefits from the suspension, because Russia was supposed to play against them. I expected FIFA to stay out of politics, but given their previous history I knew it was not going to happen. And now Poland has got a free pass to the world cup, thanks to the unfair decision by FIFA.

I think we all know that every major sports body like ICC and FIFA is controlled by politics. And I think we all knew that this was coming.

Actually, you are absolutely right because this is just an unfair decision by FIFA. For the past few years, I think people can guess that FIFA has gotten deeply involved in politics. Otherwise, Russia wouldn't have hosted the world cup.
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