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Actually kind of pleased to see most of you are still banking on Peru, as are the bookies, which usually gives me more confidence that the team could end up being overconfident in sunny, hot, balmy Doha. The Aussies will be happier to be the underdog also so should play without pressure.

Just hope they make their height advantage count. They were pinging it all over the place without much effect against UAE but this time corners should pose more dangers.
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Australia during qualification matches was failed to showed impressive performance with finish at 3rd position on third round groups but at least they win from UEA and open their opportunity went to world cup but their opponent Peru is the favourite because both of teams have been met in 2018 on world cup group stage and Peru is the winner 2-0 and i think this match also will not so different that Peru will possibly win

In the last two matches, Australia won against Jordan and UAE. Australia's gameplay was good enough. But I don't think Australia can win against Peru. The Peruvian team is strong enough. They also have a strong squad to win against teams like Colombia, Ecuador and Paraguay. So Australia's goal should be to share points with Peru.
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Australia during qualification matches was failed to showed impressive performance with finish at 3rd position on third round groups but at least they win from UEA and open their opportunity went to world cup but their opponent Peru is the favourite because both of teams have been met in 2018 on world cup group stage and Peru is the winner 2-0 and i think this match also will not so different that Peru will possibly win

I agree with the victory of the Peru. I don't see Australia being able to overtake Peru.
Usually Australia managed to qualify for the World Cup, through direct qualification. If they had difficulty in achieving that, they will have even more difficulty in overtaking a team like Peru.
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Australia during qualification matches was failed to showed impressive performance with finish at 3rd position on third round groups but at least they win from UEA and open their opportunity went to world cup but their opponent Peru is the favourite because both of teams have been met in 2018 on world cup group stage and Peru is the winner 2-0 and i think this match also will not so different that Peru will possibly win
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Glad to hear that FIFA dismissed the complaint from Chile. But the fact that Byron Castillo represented Ecuador despite his Colombian citizenship is a serious misjudgment from the part of the Federación Ecuatoriana de Fútbol. FIFA is very strict as far as the eligibility criteria for players is considered. But at this point, I don't think that it is fair to disqualify a team from the World Cup, even if one of the players is ineligible to represent the national team. Why punish the entire team, for one player not revealing his foreign passport? 
It is a delicate matter and needs to be addressed by the Fifa with a appropriate punishment for player and national team. The team should be professional and thorough enough to verify passports and citizenship of their players before letting them play in important games. Of course the player should also be punished in some form, but I agree that it would be inappropriate to question the world cup qualification entirely
At this point, FIFA didn't found any evidence in support of the wild claim by Chile. Their internal investigation found that Byron Castillo is a legal citizen of Ecuador and he doesn't have a Colombian passport. I don't know from where the Chileans got the information that he was originally born in Colombia. In the end, they made a laughing stock of themselves in front of the entire world. If anyone who needs to be punished at this point, then it is going to be the Federación de Fútbol de Chile (FFCh).

They just reported the claim without any strong evidence and this was obviously based on just some wild guess. They should have dug deeper before making any claims like that and now they are the laughing stock.

I also agree that they actually should probably be punished. But, I also don't think that will be a good solution. Honestly, I think we should just leave it at that. No point in making this thing a larger issue than it already is.
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Glad to hear that FIFA dismissed the complaint from Chile. But the fact that Byron Castillo represented Ecuador despite his Colombian citizenship is a serious misjudgment from the part of the Federación Ecuatoriana de Fútbol. FIFA is very strict as far as the eligibility criteria for players is considered. But at this point, I don't think that it is fair to disqualify a team from the World Cup, even if one of the players is ineligible to represent the national team. Why punish the entire team, for one player not revealing his foreign passport? 
It is a delicate matter and needs to be addressed by the Fifa with a appropriate punishment for player and national team. The team should be professional and thorough enough to verify passports and citizenship of their players before letting them play in important games. Of course the player should also be punished in some form, but I agree that it would be inappropriate to question the world cup qualification entirely

At this point, FIFA didn't found any evidence in support of the wild claim by Chile. Their internal investigation found that Byron Castillo is a legal citizen of Ecuador and he doesn't have a Colombian passport. I don't know from where the Chileans got the information that he was originally born in Colombia. In the end, they made a laughing stock of themselves in front of the entire world. If anyone who needs to be punished at this point, then it is going to be the Federación de Fútbol de Chile (FFCh).
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Ecuador will play in World Cup, FIFA dismissed Chile complaint:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61750691

I disagree with several option what happening with Ecuador, I know made mistake but replace with Ukraine as humanity or change with Italy as strong country and Chile are not good option. Third countries above totally failed on World Cup qualifier and how come they can participant on 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar? better keep giving chance for Ecuador and give punishment for player have made mistake, give penalty points for Ecuador after 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar edition. Crazy reason if giving chance to Ukraine, Italy or Chile participant on 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar after bad performance on qualifier.
It would be nonsense to replace Ecuador with Ukraine or Italy, but giving their place to Chile would be right decision. If all Ecuador points would be removed, Chile goes up to 4th place and qualifies to World Cup. I remember few years ago Real Madrid let not eligible player to play in Copa del Rey game and whole team was kicked out if tournament because of it. Anyway, Chile complaint already got rejected.
Chile can still appeal the decision but since they were denied already then things are not looking good for them so they can get the spot of Ecuador during the next World Cup, but it seems they are going to try anyway as this is their last chance to enter the tournament.

However it is going to be very difficult they could take the spot of Ecuador as FIFA is probably not going to like that a team gains their entry to the World Cup over the table and not on the field.
I read the news mentioned above. Hard luck for Chile - sometime these claim does not work and ther hard part is. Everything is dependent on the LUCK. Had chili be lucky enough they would have got the place in world cup at the first place. This seems like a personal attack - and they faced the music.
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Ecuador will play in World Cup, FIFA dismissed Chile complaint:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61750691

I disagree with several option what happening with Ecuador, I know made mistake but replace with Ukraine as humanity or change with Italy as strong country and Chile are not good option. Third countries above totally failed on World Cup qualifier and how come they can participant on 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar? better keep giving chance for Ecuador and give punishment for player have made mistake, give penalty points for Ecuador after 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar edition. Crazy reason if giving chance to Ukraine, Italy or Chile participant on 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar after bad performance on qualifier.
It would be nonsense to replace Ecuador with Ukraine or Italy, but giving their place to Chile would be right decision. If all Ecuador points would be removed, Chile goes up to 4th place and qualifies to World Cup. I remember few years ago Real Madrid let not eligible player to play in Copa del Rey game and whole team was kicked out if tournament because of it. Anyway, Chile complaint already got rejected.
Chile can still appeal the decision but since they were denied already then things are not looking good for them so they can get the spot of Ecuador during the next World Cup, but it seems they are going to try anyway as this is their last chance to enter the tournament.

However it is going to be very difficult they could take the spot of Ecuador as FIFA is probably not going to like that a team gains their entry to the World Cup over the table and not on the field.
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There is recent news that Ecuador is likely to be removed from upcoming World Cup because one of their players wasn't eligible to play for Ecuador:
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1622632/ecuador-world-cup-qatar-2022-chile-international-football-news
Chile is going to replace them, I hate when decisions who will play in tournament is solved off the pitch, but rules are rules...
If indeed Fifa's investigation later finds Ecuador wrong, then there is no hope for them other than being removed from the list of participants.
But in this case, there is also a lot of speculation that if they are dropped, it is likely that Italy will appear as a replacement because from some news I read, if Ecuador is removed, the team with the highest FIFA ranking will replace it.

If they kick them out they will probobly add Ukraine because of the war situation and get politics again into football.
So i wouldnt be surprised it they give them a wild card or something or maybe even Italy to get into the World cup because they got knocked out surprisingly
I don't understand why everyone is talking about Ukraine? Ecuador is on a completely different continent, why do people even think of replacing it with Ukraine? It is possible that in Ecuador they don't even know that such a country exists. It seems to me that the world has gone crazy if such options are being suggested. Ukraine is a good country, but that is not a reason to talk about it regularly. Italy had nothing to do with it either, they lost their important matches and will deservedly not go to the World Cup.

Because of the war in Ukraine, people are quite emotional and want to help that country, of course, which is natural.
In addition, it is obvious that Ukraine was damaged by the referees in the match against Wales and that it lost undeservedly.
The same story was a few months ago after Italy surprisingly lost against Macedonia and when this story with Ecuador just started.
Many Italian fans and sympathizers hoped it could be a lifeline for Italy and a way for Italians to go to the World Cup instead of Ecuador.
Of course, none of that happened, nor was there a real possibility for something like that, but when it comes to football, people become irrational and don't think logically.
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There is recent news that Ecuador is likely to be removed from upcoming World Cup because one of their players wasn't eligible to play for Ecuador:
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1622632/ecuador-world-cup-qatar-2022-chile-international-football-news
Chile is going to replace them, I hate when decisions who will play in tournament is solved off the pitch, but rules are rules...
If indeed Fifa's investigation later finds Ecuador wrong, then there is no hope for them other than being removed from the list of participants.
But in this case, there is also a lot of speculation that if they are dropped, it is likely that Italy will appear as a replacement because from some news I read, if Ecuador is removed, the team with the highest FIFA ranking will replace it.

If they kick them out they will probobly add Ukraine because of the war situation and get politics again into football.
So i wouldnt be surprised it they give them a wild card or something or maybe even Italy to get into the World cup because they got knocked out surprisingly
I don't understand why everyone is talking about Ukraine? Ecuador is on a completely different continent, why do people even think of replacing it with Ukraine? It is possible that in Ecuador they don't even know that such a country exists. It seems to me that the world has gone crazy if such options are being suggested. Ukraine is a good country, but that is not a reason to talk about it regularly. Italy had nothing to do with it either, they lost their important matches and will deservedly not go to the World Cup.
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But they play in hot Qatar so I wonder is Australia might prefer that... if Peru play at home, the high altitudes always suck the life out of opponents but elsewhere their inferior height is a problem.

By the way, yes! I completely forgot that the play-off will be held in Doha and at least it does not give any advantage to Peru and perhaps gives some advantage to Australia. In any case, the result will be more random than if these teams played at home, so in such conditions, betting on a formal outsider looks like the right decision.

Yeah! I'm inclined to think the Aussies might actually have the advantage but that's me playing to stereotypes of the weather and conditions over there. It's still a terrible bet to make and am slightly regretting it -- not so much the Aussies but the Kiwis for sure who're the other leg of my ticket. Two really good footballing sides from Concacaf and two less technical but more physical sides from Oceania, I don't know, logic says physique should win out but they also do need to score to win...
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Glad to hear that FIFA dismissed the complaint from Chile. But the fact that Byron Castillo represented Ecuador despite his Colombian citizenship is a serious misjudgment from the part of the Federación Ecuatoriana de Fútbol. FIFA is very strict as far as the eligibility criteria for players is considered. But at this point, I don't think that it is fair to disqualify a team from the World Cup, even if one of the players is ineligible to represent the national team. Why punish the entire team, for one player not revealing his foreign passport? 
It is a delicate matter and needs to be addressed by the Fifa with a appropriate punishment for player and national team. The team should be professional and thorough enough to verify passports and citizenship of their players before letting them play in important games. Of course the player should also be punished in some form, but I agree that it would be inappropriate to question the world cup qualification entirely
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Glad to hear that FIFA dismissed the complaint from Chile. But the fact that Byron Castillo represented Ecuador despite his Colombian citizenship is a serious misjudgment from the part of the Federación Ecuatoriana de Fútbol. FIFA is very strict as far as the eligibility criteria for players is considered. But at this point, I don't think that it is fair to disqualify a team from the World Cup, even if one of the players is ineligible to represent the national team. Why punish the entire team, for one player not revealing his foreign passport? 

Why Chile complained at this point. Byron Castillo has played 8 of Ecuador 18 WC qualifiers. Chile complaing just to book there place in world cup and I think icc has done the right move by rejecting there complain. You can ban Byron Castillo but not the whole team for him.
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Glad to hear that FIFA dismissed the complaint from Chile. But the fact that Byron Castillo represented Ecuador despite his Colombian citizenship is a serious misjudgment from the part of the Federación Ecuatoriana de Fútbol. FIFA is very strict as far as the eligibility criteria for players is considered. But at this point, I don't think that it is fair to disqualify a team from the World Cup, even if one of the players is ineligible to represent the national team. Why punish the entire team, for one player not revealing his foreign passport? 
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Ecuador will play in World Cup, FIFA dismissed Chile complaint:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61750691

I disagree with several option what happening with Ecuador, I know made mistake but replace with Ukraine as humanity or change with Italy as strong country and Chile are not good option. Third countries above totally failed on World Cup qualifier and how come they can participant on 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar? better keep giving chance for Ecuador and give punishment for player have made mistake, give penalty points for Ecuador after 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar edition. Crazy reason if giving chance to Ukraine, Italy or Chile participant on 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar after bad performance on qualifier.
It would be nonsense to replace Ecuador with Ukraine or Italy, but giving their place to Chile would be right decision. If all Ecuador points would be removed, Chile goes up to 4th place and qualifies to World Cup. I remember few years ago Real Madrid let not eligible player to play in Copa del Rey game and whole team was kicked out if tournament because of it. Anyway, Chile complaint already got rejected.
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I think so. I'm surprised that Australia has a 4.6 odds of winning and a 2.9 overall odds of qualifying. Despite the fact that Peru is a strong team, these are too pessimistic estimates for Australia. I think that in such circumstances betting on Australia would be a logical move because winning looks more likely than the bookmakers show us.

Great! Then I'm definitely putting in a small bet on that -- Aussies and Kiwis both have always almost been put at high-value odds because they do end up losing/drawing a lot against UEFA and Concacaf teams. I should know, I pick them quite a lot when odds are above 5/1 on ML heh.

But they play in hot Qatar so I wonder is Australia might prefer that... if Peru play at home, the high altitudes always suck the life out of opponents but elsewhere their inferior height is a problem.

By the way, yes! I completely forgot that the play-off will be held in Doha and at least it does not give any advantage to Peru and perhaps gives some advantage to Australia. In any case, the result will be more random than if these teams played at home, so in such conditions, betting on a formal outsider looks like the right decision.
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There's a real possibility that Ecuador will be kicked out of the World Cup in the next few days. They are accused of falsifying birth certificate of their player Byron Castillo, who was apparently born in Colombia and not in Ecuador - meaning he is ineligible to play for them.

In theory Italy should be the team to replace them (highest ranked non participating team) but it appears it will be Chile instead - because they played the qualifiers against each other.
there is a possibility that Chile will qualify. That is if the count of the Ecuador match that Castillo participated in is recalculated. with a 3-point win for each team against Ecuador. it would put Chile as the strongest team to qualify.
but if viewed from the final result, then Italy will qualify.
Unfortunately, Ecuador's efforts to qualify for the World Cup will end badly. we are still waiting for the final result from FIFA.
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The most comfortable group in my own opinion is group J. Germany seem to not be having much rivalry as Romania, Liechtenstein and the rest do not seem much of an issue. If you ask me, I think Liechtenstein could be the first to get knocked out of the tournament in the early stages.
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There's a real possibility that Ecuador will be kicked out of the World Cup in the next few days. They are accused of falsifying birth certificate of their player Byron Castillo, who was apparently born in Colombia and not in Ecuador - meaning he is ineligible to play for them.

In theory Italy should be the team to replace them (highest ranked non participating team) but it appears it will be Chile instead - because they played the qualifiers against each other.
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If Ecuador is eliminated, they still have to send a team from the Americas to the tournament. It should be fairer that this new upcoming team is not one of the European teams. There are already too many European teams. +1 European country would not be more fair when Ecuador is eliminated. Maybe if they vote, Ukraine will participate, but this decision will be purely political, and I'm against it. The country that deserves it must go. Maybe a selection should be made among the candidate countries.

It will be good for everyone if FIFA keeps politics out of sports. First they banned Russia and then provided extra time for Ukraine to prepare for the playoffs. Didn't worked that well, because despite all the help Ukraine still lost to Wales. And now I guess they are planning to get Ukraine participate the tournament after getting Ecuador disqualified. BTW, from what I heard, Chile should be the default replacement for Ecuador. It is going to be either Chile or Italy (depending on whether they are going to consider the rankings for CONMEBOL, or the global rankings).
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