2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers - page 91.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on June 15, 2022, 10:53:07 AM

Costa Rica plays tactical. they managed to score early in the game and set up an impenetrable defense. New Zealand was not without chances, making 15 shots but only 4 on target. it frustrates players.

Costa Rica was only able to control 30% possession of the ball. and that was enough to get the win. Regarding the performance in the finals, I think the coach just needs to come up with a new strategy. moreover, Costa Rica is in the grub which is not easy. Spain, Germany, and Japan are all strong teams.

Costa Rica played very competently and apparently, if it were necessary, they could have scored more. As for the World Cup prospects, obviously they will be the points supplier and their maximum is to beat Japan somehow, but the third place will be only honorable without any practical value.

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Quote from: 3meek on June 16, 2022, 05:05:23 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on June 16, 2022, 04:49:52 AM

Now that all the groups for the 2022 Worlds are closed, who do you think will make it through each group?

I think the following countries will qualify...
Group A: Senegal / Netherlands
Group B: England/Wales (but maybe USA instead of Wales...)
Group C: Argentina / Mexico
Group D: France/Denmark
Group E: Spain / Germany
Group F: Belgium / Croatia
Group G: Brazil / Switzerland (but this is the hardest group to predict because it could go anywhere with Brazil...)
Group H: Portugal / Uruguay

I agree with your both choices in the Group A, B (I'd prefer Wales over USA), D, E, F and H. I think Poland has the potential to get past Mexico in the group. Their current look in the Nations League shouldn't mislead people as they don't take it very seriously. For the Group G, I think Cameroon might manage to leave Switzerland behind by taking the second spot. They impressed me in the qualification round and they can maintain this too. I don't see Switzerland as more reliable for now.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on June 15, 2022, 11:20:20 PM

I am South American and I know what the capabilities of Peru are, IF something that Australia has as an advantage over Peru has always been the height of the players, if they are intelligent they manage to develop more air soccer for the World Cup that they really need to do and have more dynamics, free kicks are the best they can take advantage of if they are not given the strategies for Australia in the World Cup, they must play faster, everyone is talking about these classifications, both Australia and Costa Rica, many really believed that Peru was going to go, however I am glad to see these countries in the World Cup are deserving.

Trust me, I know the abilities of South Americans -- which is why I said they're technically better, understand game management more, but physical advantage is always an advantage in football. Even can see it in Premier League.

I'm Southeast Asian so it's no point of discussion I don't get either. Set pieces are at least 20% of the game and I've played a lot of games where you simply can't defend corners if they pack 3 or 4 players over 6 ft when your tallest guy (me) is 5'5 haha.

Quote from: Cnut237 on June 15, 2022, 11:33:49 AM

Wonder what the odds on England will be. A lot of people were considering them amongst the favourites (not outright favourite, but up there with the top teams). However England have had a pretty disastrous couple of weeks, culminating in that astonishingly bad 0-4 home defeat to Hungary the other day. Perhaps this might cause England to be under-rated for the tournament? They still have strong players and a favourable draw... the potential is there if not (currently) the confidence. A couple of goals and a morale-boosting win at the start of the WC could transform them.

Never good. They'll always be a favourite or top 3 and odds aren't great. I'd take them above 10/1 but matter of fact is they're not good enough as a team. Great talent but people bet on them a lot too so bookie lines are skewed. Brazil worth it for 5/1, Germany and France 8/1. Netherlands around 15/1 should be extremely good value too (to me).

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Quote from: 3meek on June 16, 2022, 05:05:23 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on June 16, 2022, 04:49:52 AM

Now that all the groups for the 2022 Worlds are closed, who do you think will make it through each group?

I think the following countries will qualify...
Group A: Senegal / Netherlands
Group B: England/Wales (but maybe USA instead of Wales...)
Group C: Argentina / Mexico
Group D: France/Denmark
Group E: Spain / Germany
Group F: Belgium / Croatia
Group G: Brazil / Switzerland (but this is the hardest group to predict because it could go anywhere with Brazil...)
Group H: Portugal / Uruguay

You have chosen all the sure favorites, but as we know, there have been big surprises at every World Cup, so there will be some at this World Cup as well..
Most of us follow exclusively European football and we tend to underestimate the strength and quality of teams from other continents, primarily from Africa and Asia.
As for Group G, I think that the Serbian team is very good, and that they have a very good chance of being better than Switzerland.
In any case, a very uncertain and interesting World Cup awaits us.

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Quote from: joker_josue on June 16, 2022, 04:49:52 AM

Now that all the groups for the 2022 Worlds are closed, who do you think will make it through each group?

I think the following countries will qualify...
Group A: Senegal / Netherlands
Group B: England/Wales (but maybe USA instead of Wales...)
Group C: Argentina / Mexico
Group D: France/Denmark
Group E: Spain / Germany
Group F: Belgium / Croatia
Group G: Brazil / Switzerland (but this is the hardest group to predict because it could go anywhere with Brazil...)
Group H: Portugal / Uruguay

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Now that all the groups for the 2022 Worlds are closed, who do you think will make it through each group?

Group A: Qatar / Ecuador / Senegal / Netherlands
Group B: England / Iran / United States / Wales
Group C: Argentina / Saudi Arabia / Mexico / Poland
Group D: France / Australia / Denmark / Tunisia
Group E: Spain / Costa Rica / Germany / Japan
Group F: Belgium / Canada / Morocco / Croatia
Group G: Brazil / Serbia / Switzerland / Cameroon
Group H: Portugal / Ghana / Uruguay / South Korea

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Quote from: Juggy777 on June 16, 2022, 12:10:17 AM

I didn’t watch the match but prior to the match I believed that Peru would beat Australia and qualify for the World Cup, but Australia played well and in the end deserved to be playing at the World Cup. Furthermore how many of you’ll had actually wagered on Australia, because those were really nice odds and now I truly regret not placing a small wager on Australia for fun sake.

I also expected Peru to win. But they did not play well. Their performance was poor. Australia played well enough. Their defense was good. I did not expect such poor gameplay from an experienced team like Peru. This is Peru's failure. However, congratulations to the Australian team. Australia's performance in the last few matches is very commendable.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on June 15, 2022, 11:20:20 PM

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Quote from: buwaytress on June 08, 2022, 04:27:01 AM

It was amazing but frustrating to watch the first half (second half I was having my eyes elsewhere so couldn't really tell if they improved) but this match was so important to them and they played like they were not really hungry (I even felt UAE were more desperate).

Peru's pretty good, mind you, they've been solid players in the Concacaf games -- both will want to continue their WC final appearance but yeah, Aussie's got the weight of history behind them, appearing in every edition I've ever watched except the first (1998, where they lost the playoff to Iran) Wink

Who else thinks a Kiwi-Aussie acca is worth the money?

I think so. I'm surprised that Australia has a 4.6 odds of winning and a 2.9 overall odds of qualifying. Despite the fact that Peru is a strong team, these are too pessimistic estimates for Australia. I think that in such circumstances betting on Australia would be a logical move because winning looks more likely than the bookmakers show us.

I am South American and I know what the capabilities of Peru are, IF something that Australia has as an advantage over Peru has always been the height of the players, if they are intelligent they manage to develop more air soccer for the World Cup that they really need to do and have more dynamics, free kicks are the best they can take advantage of if they are not given the strategies for Australia in the World Cup, they must play faster, everyone is talking about these classifications, both Australia and Costa Rica, many really believed that Peru was going to go, however I am glad to see these countries in the World Cup are deserving.

I didn’t watch the match but prior to the match I believed that Peru would beat Australia and qualify for the World Cup, but Australia played well and in the end deserved to be playing at the World Cup. Furthermore how many of you’ll had actually wagered on Australia, because those were really nice odds and now I truly regret not placing a small wager on Australia for fun sake.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on June 08, 2022, 08:52:55 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on June 08, 2022, 04:27:01 AM

It was amazing but frustrating to watch the first half (second half I was having my eyes elsewhere so couldn't really tell if they improved) but this match was so important to them and they played like they were not really hungry (I even felt UAE were more desperate).

Peru's pretty good, mind you, they've been solid players in the Concacaf games -- both will want to continue their WC final appearance but yeah, Aussie's got the weight of history behind them, appearing in every edition I've ever watched except the first (1998, where they lost the playoff to Iran) Wink

Who else thinks a Kiwi-Aussie acca is worth the money?

I think so. I'm surprised that Australia has a 4.6 odds of winning and a 2.9 overall odds of qualifying. Despite the fact that Peru is a strong team, these are too pessimistic estimates for Australia. I think that in such circumstances betting on Australia would be a logical move because winning looks more likely than the bookmakers show us.

I am South American and I know what the capabilities of Peru are, IF something that Australia has as an advantage over Peru has always been the height of the players, if they are intelligent they manage to develop more air soccer for the World Cup that they really need to do and have more dynamics, free kicks are the best they can take advantage of if they are not given the strategies for Australia in the World Cup, they must play faster, everyone is talking about these classifications, both Australia and Costa Rica, many really believed that Peru was going to go, however I am glad to see these countries in the World Cup are deserving.

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Quote from: KTChampions on June 15, 2022, 12:22:24 PM

Australia often takes part in the finals of the World Cup, so I immediately noticed this couple and overestimation of Peru. But as I said, I forgot to bet on the game.

Australian national football association (Football Australia) made a strategic move to move from OFC to AFC in 2005. And since then, they have participated in each and every edition of the world cup (2006, 2010, 2014, 2018 and now 2022). When they were part of the OFC, as a result of the complex qualification criteria set up by the FIFA, they could qualify only once (in 1974). But to be fair, at least on paper, Peru was a far better team when compared to Australia. And in general I would say that any team from CONMEBOL is far ahead of any team from AFC.

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Quote from: KTChampions on June 14, 2022, 12:25:12 PM

Completely forgot about this game Cry

I saw that the odds for this game are inadequate and Australia is greatly underestimated, but watching the League of Nations I forgot to place a bet on this game in time. From the description, the game was rather dull - was it caused by the heat or were the players in the same situation as the players participating in the League of Nations?

I was almost sure Peru will win that game that I didn't bother to watch it until I saw the results hours after and I was like surprise!
Today Costa Rica is the favourite one, I can't imagine having the underdog teams winning twice in this qualification!

Australia often takes part in the finals of the World Cup, so I immediately noticed this couple and overestimation of Peru. But as I said, I forgot to bet on the game.

Quote from: Cnut237 on June 15, 2022, 11:33:49 AM

Wonder what the odds on England will be. A lot of people were considering them amongst the favourites (not outright favourite, but up there with the top teams). However England have had a pretty disastrous couple of weeks, culminating in that astonishingly bad 0-4 home defeat to Hungary the other day. Perhaps this might cause England to be under-rated for the tournament? They still have strong players and a favourable draw... the potential is there if not (currently) the confidence. A couple of goals and a morale-boosting win at the start of the WC could transform them.

I do not think that these results will lead to any serious changes in their odds. Everyone evaluates the League of Nations tournament as a friendly game. It's sad, but true.

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Quote from: buwaytress on June 15, 2022, 07:47:07 AM

Interesting mix now we have for the finals in Qatar. Will soon be time to share all early outright!

Wonder what the odds on England will be. A lot of people were considering them amongst the favourites (not outright favourite, but up there with the top teams). However England have had a pretty disastrous couple of weeks, culminating in that astonishingly bad 0-4 home defeat to Hungary the other day. Perhaps this might cause England to be under-rated for the tournament? They still have strong players and a favourable draw... the potential is there if not (currently) the confidence. A couple of goals and a morale-boosting win at the start of the WC could transform them.

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Quote from: bering on June 14, 2022, 11:51:17 PM

Clever Costa Rica because at the beginning of match they can utilized the weakness of New Zealand defense and score goal and after that Costa Rica defense was playing well because until second half there is no good attempts to score goals from New Zealand and seems New Zealand situation became so difficult for them after Barbarouses get red card and after final whistle ended the score hasn't change 1-0 for Costa Rica and after this result they has filled last spot for world cup tournament

Costa Rica plays tactical. they managed to score early in the game and set up an impenetrable defense. New Zealand was not without chances, making 15 shots but only 4 on target. it frustrates players.

Costa Rica was only able to control 30% possession of the ball. and that was enough to get the win. Regarding the performance in the finals, I think the coach just needs to come up with a new strategy. moreover, Costa Rica is in the grub which is not easy. Spain, Germany, and Japan are all strong teams.

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Well, the NZ dream didn't last, so my Antipodean acca wouldn't have hit even if I went for an Aussie qualification rather than ML.

Still, can't say Costa Rica didn't deserve their place. Also had some physical disadvantage to fight against but good to see that better technical ability won the day, even if marginally.

Interesting mix now we have for the finals in Qatar. Will soon be time to share all early outright!

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on June 15, 2022, 12:38:48 AM

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Frankly, I didn't get to watch the game, but a quick scan at the stats shows that, New Zealand was the better side of them both yesterday.
They had better and higher Ball possession in both half's of the game,more goal attempt and also more shot on goal.
The former Arsenal international Joel Campbell scored an early goal which also would have played a part, a red card was seen in the match which I know would have also reduced their pressure on Costa Rica. This would be the sixth time Costa Rica has qualified for the FIFA World Cup. Congratulations to Keylor Navas and the full Costa Rican National team as they will return to Qater November.

The Experienced Keylor Navas also played a big part in holding and maintaining a single goal and tried to keep if pressure from the New Zealand side at home soil.
The home side was favorite to win though, ( having lesser odds ) But New Zealand had much impact, the red card had negative effect on them I see.

Costa Rica didn't attack as much as New Zealand did. Although New Zealand missed so many chances, it was a bit ridiculous sometimes.

At the end there was a really good shot but the keeper from Costa Rica did a wonderful save. Man of the match right there, saving his team.

New Zealand scored once actually, but it was after they committed a foul, so it was not a valid goal. Such a shame that one of the few times they actually attacked properly was cancelled.

In the end the early goal from Costa Rica, which wasn't even good, ended up giving them the qualification.

At the end of the day, you have to score more than your rival, even if you attack less.

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Quote from: bering on June 14, 2022, 11:51:17 PM

Clever Costa Rica because at the beginning of match they can utilized the weakness of New Zealand defense and score goal and after that Costa Rica defense was playing well because until second half there is no good attempts to score goals from New Zealand and seems New Zealand situation became so difficult for them after Barbarouses get red card and after final whistle ended the score hasn't change 1-0 for Costa Rica and after this result they has filled last spot for world cup tournament

Frankly, I didn't get to watch the game, but a quick scan at the stats shows that, New Zealand was the better side of them both yesterday.
They had better and higher Ball possession in both half's of the game,more goal attempt and also more shot on goal.
The former Arsenal international Joel Campbell scored an early goal which also would have played a part, a red card was seen in the match which I know would have also reduced their pressure on Costa Rica. This would be the sixth time Costa Rica has qualified for the FIFA World Cup. Congratulations to Keylor Navas and the full Costa Rican National team as they will return to Qater November.

The Experienced Keylor Navas also played a big part in holding and maintaining a single goal and tried to keep if pressure from the New Zealand side at home soil.
The home side was favorite to win though, ( having lesser odds ) But New Zealand had much impact, the red card had negative effect on them I see.

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Clever Costa Rica because at the beginning of match they can utilized the weakness of New Zealand defense and score goal and after that Costa Rica defense was playing well because until second half there is no good attempts to score goals from New Zealand and seems New Zealand situation became so difficult for them after Barbarouses get red card and after final whistle ended the score hasn't change 1-0 for Costa Rica and after this result they has filled last spot for world cup tournament

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Quote from: nullama on June 14, 2022, 10:02:04 PM

Australia used to win all the time in OFC, so they moved them to AFC. I think they will continue to dominate AFC now.

And in theory New Zealand should be dominating OFC now, but they still need to learn and practice a lot more, after watching this game. They need better strikers, who actually score. They lost so many chances.

But yeah, next world cup will be a bit easier to qualify, hopefully that doesn't bring the whole level down in the actual competition.

Australia did the right thing by moving from OFC to AFC. For OFC, there is only a half slot and for qualifying the winner need to participate in playoff against the 4th placed CONCACAF team. And everyone knows the quality of teams in AFC and CONCACAF. Attaining 4th or 5th position in the AFC qualifier is much easier than winning against the 4th placed CONCACAF team (as New Zealand just found out). A better solution would be to merge the AFC and OFC qualifiers. What is the point in having a separate tournament for the OFC, when they don't even have one dedicated slot?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 14, 2022, 09:57:08 PM

Quite disappointing results from the playoff. I don't have anything against Costa Rica, but I wanted at least one team from Oceania participating in the world cup (Australia is a part of the AFC, and they no longer represent Oceania). In the end, it was a very close match, but New Zealand lost their golden chance to qualify. Anyway, next time (2026 World Cup), they are almost assured of a slot, since the number of participants are going up and there is one dedicated slot for the Oceania Football Confederation (OFC). I expect not much competition for New Zealand, since their ranking is far higher than the second and third placed teams (Solomon Islands & New Caledonia).

Australia used to win all the time in OFC, so they moved them to AFC. I think they will continue to dominate AFC now.

And in theory New Zealand should be dominating OFC now, but they still need to learn and practice a lot more, after watching this game. They need better strikers, who actually score. They lost so many chances.

But yeah, next world cup will be a bit easier to qualify, hopefully that doesn't bring the whole level down in the actual competition.

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Quite disappointing results from the playoff. I don't have anything against Costa Rica, but I wanted at least one team from Oceania participating in the world cup (Australia is a part of the AFC, and they no longer represent Oceania). In the end, it was a very close match, but New Zealand lost their golden chance to qualify. Anyway, next time (2026 World Cup), they are almost assured of a slot, since the number of participants are going up and there is one dedicated slot for the Oceania Football Confederation (OFC). I expect not much competition for New Zealand, since their ranking is far higher than the second and third placed teams (Solomon Islands & New Caledonia).

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