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Topic: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution - page 15. (Read 18771 times)

legendary
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But in theory, ID and Evolution could easily coexist.

No, they cannot!

One is knowledge the other is propaganda from a particular christian sect.

Secondly, one could believe that a world was created by an intelligent being, and that creatures evolved since then.

Creationism and evolution can coexist.

Yes. Some people beleive god created the big bang. A world that just "appeared" doesn't seem right to me. I beleive in got but no religion.

The concept of the Prime Mover is very different from creationism, creationism is Christian propaganda or some type of American Christians propaganda, the Prime Mover is a philosophical hypothesis for the beginning of the universe, it has nothing to do with gods or creationism.
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But in theory, ID and Evolution could easily coexist.

No, they cannot!

One is knowledge the other is propaganda from a particular christian sect.

Secondly, one could believe that a world was created by an intelligent being, and that creatures evolved since then.
sr. member
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But in theory, ID and Evolution could easily coexist.

No, they cannot!

One is knowledge the other is propaganda from a particular christian sect.

Around 74% of the world believes in a religion, based on intelligent design, so not simply one "sect".
legendary
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But in theory, ID and Evolution could easily coexist.

No, they cannot!

One is knowledge the other is propaganda from a particular christian sect.
legendary
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And who created the god that created god?

In theory, a god has always been around.

Why is it matter can't come from nothing, but a fully formed god is perfectly reasonable? Why can god always have existed, but not the universe?

Only something "supernatural", that is governed outside of the laws of nature, would be able to have existed forever.

And you base this on? If this is true then any god or being could exist so what makes one god particularly stand out? Why can't the universe or multi/metaverses have existed for ever or be "supernatural"?

What make the God of the Bible unique?

All religions are based on ways to earn salvation by something we do to attain a "higher position" or some sort of nirvana.

Christianity is the only religion that says the only way to salvation is to admit that there is no way we can earn it.  It is not about being "good enough."  Salvation is a free gift from God.  All it takes is humbly asking God for forgiveness of falling short of his laws (the 10 commandments which we have all broken) Humility is something people just don't want to have!  From the beginning of time it has been a struggle.  Men just think that they are smart as God, or that they don't need Him.

However, we all need Him!  We can't get to heaven on our own merit.  
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And who created the god that created god?

In theory, a god has always been around.

Why is it matter can't come from nothing, but a fully formed god is perfectly reasonable? Why can god always have existed, but not the universe?

Only something "supernatural", that is governed outside of the laws of nature, would be able to have existed forever.

The laws of nature exist only within human comprehension. Anything outside of the laws of nature exists outside of human comprehension. We have a word for that. Its God. A Dutch junkie-poet once wrote a poem titled 'The Universe'. And translated it goes:

The farther we looked
The larger it seemed

Any question we solve breeds a horde of new questions, and adds to what we don't know. We call that great unknown God. Scientists are working daily to add to his Glory.

I like the Bible. It has all the basics of philosophy and its printed on very many very thin papers. Serves as a loo roll and as a Rizla. And yes we can wipe our asses and smoke our spliffs because we all have the message in our heads already. Talk about decentralized.
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And who created the god that created god?

In theory, a god has always been around.

Why is it matter can't come from nothing, but a fully formed god is perfectly reasonable? Why can god always have existed, but not the universe?

Only something "supernatural", that is governed outside of the laws of nature, would be able to have existed forever.

And you base this on? If this is true then any god or being could exist so what makes one god particularly stand out? Why can't the universe or multi/metaverses have existed for ever or be "supernatural"?
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And who created the god that created god?

In theory, a god has always been around.

Why is it matter can't come from nothing, but a fully formed god is perfectly reasonable? Why can god always have existed, but not the universe?

Only something "supernatural", that is governed outside of the laws of nature, would be able to have existed forever.
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And who created the god that created god?

In theory, a god has always been around.

Why is it matter can't come from nothing, but a fully formed god is perfectly reasonable? Why can god always have existed, but not the universe?
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But in theory, ID and Evolution could easily coexist.
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And who created the god that created god?

In theory, a god has always been around.
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Anyone find it ironic that creationists ask for evidence of evolution but they accept god based on nothing but a book?

I have been trying to point out that it takes "faith" to believe in evolution just as it takes "faith" to believe in God.  

In some ways the debate can seem a bit futile.  I often wonder why I even bother because I am usually just ridiculed, called stupid, etc.  Even though there is excellent science that supports Intelligent Design. I guess deep down the hope is that somehow there will be a small seed of doubt in all the evolution propaganda that is being taught like it is the "truth" and that will help someone realize that perhaps there is more to the "big picture" than they have shown.  Maybe they will crack open a Bible and begin to read it, maybe even with the plan to prove me wrong, but in doing so God will begin to reveal Himself and then the person will realize that they have a need for God in their life. That is my true hope in it all.  Really, God could have used a big bang if He wanted to so the creation/evolution debate really is not the main issue.  The point that is the most important is "Is God real?"  And if God is real, "What will I do about that?"  

So it's okay to have faith in god based on nothing, but faith in evolution based on facts and masses of evidence is a no go? There is not excellent science that supports ID. If there was it would be the scientific consensus and it is not.

I.E. Who created the matter that caused the big bang, that created the universe.

Apologize for Double Post, edit doesn't work well on my phone.

And who created the god that created god?
hero member
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MC Hawking solved this argument in the early 00's already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_k-MZcjCFI&feature=kp

Haha, haven't heard that in years.

Noah and his ark, Adam and his Eve,
straight up fairy stories even children don't believe.
I'm not saying there's no god, that's not for me to say,
all I'm saying is the Earth was not made in a day.

Fuck, fuck, fuck,
fuck the Creationists!

Such kindness and respect.  It is actually considered a blessing to be persecuted for the sake of Christ so "thanks!"  Smiley

Well if we go by the word of the aforementioned MC there is a God and he did create the world. The problem with the 22 photos is that the people who are holding them have by no means a sufficient conception of what they are talking about. They are creationists, and fuck them.

sr. member
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I.E. Who created the matter that caused the big bang, that created the universe.

Apologize for Double Post, edit doesn't work well on my phone.
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Without intelligent design, it is almost impossible to create a starting point.
legendary
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Anyone find it ironic that creationists ask for evidence of evolution but they accept god based on nothing but a book?

I have been trying to point out that it takes "faith" to believe in evolution just as it takes "faith" to believe in God.  

In some ways the debate can seem a bit futile.  I often wonder why I even bother because I am usually just ridiculed, called stupid, etc.  Even though there is excellent science that supports Intelligent Design. I guess deep down the hope is that somehow there will be a small seed of doubt in all the evolution propaganda that is being taught like it is the "truth" and that will help someone realize that perhaps there is more to the "big picture" than they have shown.  Maybe they will crack open a Bible and begin to read it, maybe even with the plan to prove me wrong, but in doing so God will begin to reveal Himself and then the person will realize that they have a need for God in their life. That is my true hope in it all.  Really, God could have used a big bang if He wanted to so the creation/evolution debate really is not the main issue.  The point that is the most important is "Is God real?"  And if God is real, "What will I do about that?"  
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MC Hawking solved this argument in the early 00's already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_k-MZcjCFI&feature=kp

Haha, haven't heard that in years.

Noah and his ark, Adam and his Eve,
straight up fairy stories even children don't believe.
I'm not saying there's no god, that's not for me to say,
all I'm saying is the Earth was not made in a day.

Fuck, fuck, fuck,
fuck the Creationists!

Such kindness and respect.  It is actually considered a blessing to be persecuted for the sake of Christ so "thanks!"  Smiley


At least I don't kill babies and send them to hell. And persecuted, please. It's a joke. If there is a god I'm sure he can appreciate humour. After all, he must have a sick one.
legendary
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MC Hawking solved this argument in the early 00's already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_k-MZcjCFI&feature=kp

Haha, haven't heard that in years.

Noah and his ark, Adam and his Eve,
straight up fairy stories even children don't believe.
I'm not saying there's no god, that's not for me to say,
all I'm saying is the Earth was not made in a day.

Fuck, fuck, fuck,
fuck the Creationists!

Such kindness and respect.  It is actually considered a blessing to be persecuted for the sake of Christ so "thanks!"  Smiley
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MC Hawking solved this argument in the early 00's already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_k-MZcjCFI&feature=kp

Haha, haven't heard that in years.

Noah and his ark, Adam and his Eve,
straight up fairy stories even children don't believe.
I'm not saying there's no god, that's not for me to say,
all I'm saying is the Earth was not made in a day.

Fuck, fuck, fuck,
fuck the Creationists!
hero member
Activity: 617
Merit: 528
MC Hawking solved this argument in the early 00's already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_k-MZcjCFI&feature=kp
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