If there is a god, why do religious people believe the god they believe in, out of so many religions out there, is THE god who created everything?
All depends on where and who brought you up.
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February 21, 2014, 04:28:13 PM
All depends on where and who brought you up.
February 21, 2014, 04:25:13 PM
If there is a god, why do religious people believe the god they believe in, out of so many religions out there, is THE god who created everything?
February 21, 2014, 04:07:56 PM
Anyone find it ironic that creationists ask for evidence of evolution but they accept god based on nothing but a book?
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February 21, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
On a side note, debating creationism vs "evolution" with someone who has never read the Bible is like debating Calculus with a preschooler. Its pointless.
Did you read the bible? So which revisions? Are you ready to talk about all revisions of the bible? NABRE? KJV?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Bible_translations
Do you understand that the bible wasn't written in English? And the translations change the meaning?
Let's talk about Hebrew Bible in its original form.
I actually like the Gospel of Thomas quite a bit, it has all the teachings of Jesus about being nice to other people without so much of the incomprehensible miracles that are stated in the Gospels of Mark, Mathew, John, and Luke.
Do you know what Jesus sounds like to me:
when they said he could walk on water
what it sounds like to me
is he could float like a butterfly
and sting like a bee
literal people are scary, man
literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world
of its poetry
while getting it wrong fundamentally
down at the church of "look,
it sez right here, see!
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February 21, 2014, 03:51:10 PM
On a side note, debating creationism vs "evolution" with someone who has never read the Bible is like debating Calculus with a preschooler. Its pointless.
Did you read the bible? So which revisions? Are you ready to talk about all revisions of the bible? NABRE? KJV?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Bible_translations
Do you understand that the bible wasn't written in English? And the translations change the meaning?
Let's talk about Hebrew Bible in its original form.
I actually like the Gospel of Thomas quite a bit, it has all the teachings of Jesus about being nice to other people without so much of the incomprehensible miracles that are stated in the Gospels of Mark, Mathew, John, and Luke.
February 21, 2014, 12:28:33 PM
Ha, more like 4 hours of terror.
I don't think so:
SCENE
NOAH and JAPETH, wounded and exhausted from their deadly struggle with the VELOCIRAPTORS, barricade themselves on the TORPEDO DECK as the remaining TYRANNOSAUR rams into the hatch.
JAPETH: "O God above, terrible MASTER of the storms and the driving rain, REAPER of men, LORD of the drowned, why hast thou FORSAKEN us?!"
NOAH: "Silence, faithless child! Dost thou not know we were born in SIN? The mighty DRAGONS your brothers brought onto this accursed vessel are a test of courage and of strength, from the CREATOR of us all!"
The light in Noah's BIONIC EYE begins to flicker and dim.
NOAH: "My strength is failing child. Our only hope is to get to the ENGINE ROOM before the Ark reaches the land that the DOVE-KING found. We must withdraw all the control rods from the REACTOR CORE and cause the Ark to SELF-DESTRUCT. Then, I will hold the Dragon at bay while you escape aboard the ORNITHOPTER. The way will be perilous, but the Dove-King will guide you, and you will reach the PROMISED LAND.
JAPETH: "But FATHER, our holy quest is to REPOPULATE THE EARTH - how can I do that without you there?!"
NOAH: "Have faith my son. If there's one thing this FLOOD has taught us, it's that life cannot be contained. LIFE WILL FIND A WAY."
The Jurassic Park theme begins to play as the TYRANNOSAUR finally breaks down the hatch, and ROARS with lust at the prospect of finally sating her BOTTOMLESS HUNGER. Noah powers up his EXOSUIT for the last time, and prepares to fight for the FUTURE OF HUMANITY...
February 21, 2014, 03:21:27 PM
Religious logic is highly flawed. Every idea has to be examined from an unbiased point of view.
Such is the word of the flying spaghetti monster.
Ramen.
Such is the word of the flying spaghetti monster.
Ramen.
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February 21, 2014, 03:21:16 PM
And you know the bible is legit because...? I'm going to have a guess and say this book is the particular one you were brainwashed with? If you grew up in Palestine you'd be telling us about Allah and if you grew up in Israel you'd be telling us about YHWH.
You might not've wrote the bible, but neither did god. It was people.
Since you seem to have amassed all the knowledge in the universe (going by the way you phrase your posts), please explain how the Bible was written by 40+ people over a span of 1500+ years, yet it is one cohesive book. Some authors were farmers or shepherds, some were physicians and Kings. Yet they somehow managed to create one book that is still in print today. Don't you think it HAD to be by supernatural origin that the Bible was even formed in the first place?
On a side note, debating creationism vs "evolution" with someone who has never read the Bible is like debating Calculus with a preschooler. Its pointless.
I have read the whole Bible, have you read a biology textbook?
Have you read the Bible? I would not call it cohesive. It is clearly written by many people, parts of it seem to contradict one another. How do you know that the Hindu Vedas are not the true scripture, they are older than the Bible?
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February 21, 2014, 03:16:31 PM
To stand before God and say, "It all seemed to stupid" or even "I was a good and moral person" is not enough to avoid eternal punishment.
How do you know? Sounds like reasonable guy. What happens to people in the middle of nowhere in some tribe that has never even heard of God or Jesus or babies that die not knowing god? They burn in hell because nobody bothered to go tell them about this crap? If there was a god I think religions would be a pretty big insult to his intelligence. Shame you can't see this.
The Bible says that there is only "one way to the Father through Jesus Christ" and "every knee will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord," "all have sinned and fallen short" and "Whosoever believes in Him will have eternal life." I did not write the Bible. I just read what it says and follow it to the very best of my ability, this is how I "know."
And you know the bible is legit because...? I'm going to have a guess and say this book is the particular one you were brainwashed with? If you grew up in Palestine you'd be telling us about Allah and if you grew up in Israel you'd be telling us about YHWH.
You might not've wrote the bible, but neither did god. It was people.
Since you seem to have amassed all the knowledge in the universe (going by the way you phrase your posts), please explain how the Bible was written by 40+ people over a span of 1500+ years, yet it is one cohesive book. Some authors were farmers or shepherds, some were physicians and Kings. Yet they somehow managed to create one book that is still in print today. Don't you think it HAD to be by supernatural origin that the Bible was even formed in the first place?
On a side note, debating creationism vs "evolution" with someone who has never read the Bible is like debating Calculus with a preschooler. Its pointless.
Not sure if you're trolling, but how does the way I phrase my posts indicate I've amassed all the knowledge in the universe? How exactly is the bible cohesive? It contradicts itself several times. The bible wasn't formed by supernatural origin. It was formed in the same process all stories and books are created: by people.
And I've probably read more of the bible than you have.
On a side note, debating creationism vs "evolution" with someone who has never read the Bible is like debating Calculus with a preschooler. Its pointless.
That is exactly how I feel when discussing evolution (or science in general) with a religious nutcase.
Haha. Good point.
February 21, 2014, 03:12:30 PM
On a side note, debating creationism vs "evolution" with someone who has never read the Bible is like debating Calculus with a preschooler. Its pointless.
That is exactly how I feel when discussing evolution (or science in general) with a religious nutcase.
February 21, 2014, 03:04:58 PM
To stand before God and say, "It all seemed to stupid" or even "I was a good and moral person" is not enough to avoid eternal punishment.
How do you know? Sounds like reasonable guy. What happens to people in the middle of nowhere in some tribe that has never even heard of God or Jesus or babies that die not knowing god? They burn in hell because nobody bothered to go tell them about this crap? If there was a god I think religions would be a pretty big insult to his intelligence. Shame you can't see this.
The Bible says that there is only "one way to the Father through Jesus Christ" and "every knee will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord," "all have sinned and fallen short" and "Whosoever believes in Him will have eternal life." I did not write the Bible. I just read what it says and follow it to the very best of my ability, this is how I "know."
And you know the bible is legit because...? I'm going to have a guess and say this book is the particular one you were brainwashed with? If you grew up in Palestine you'd be telling us about Allah and if you grew up in Israel you'd be telling us about YHWH.
You might not've wrote the bible, but neither did god. It was people.
Since you seem to have amassed all the knowledge in the universe (going by the way you phrase your posts), please explain how the Bible was written by 40+ people over a span of 1500+ years, yet it is one cohesive book. Some authors were farmers or shepherds, some were physicians and Kings. Yet they somehow managed to create one book that is still in print today. Don't you think it HAD to be by supernatural origin that the Bible was even formed in the first place?
On a side note, debating creationism vs "evolution" with someone who has never read the Bible is like debating Calculus with a preschooler. Its pointless.
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February 21, 2014, 02:05:47 PM
To stand before God and say, "It all seemed to stupid" or even "I was a good and moral person" is not enough to avoid eternal punishment.
How do you know? Sounds like reasonable guy. What happens to people in the middle of nowhere in some tribe that has never even heard of God or Jesus or babies that die not knowing god? They burn in hell because nobody bothered to go tell them about this crap? If there was a god I think religions would be a pretty big insult to his intelligence. Shame you can't see this.
The Bible says that there is only "one way to the Father through Jesus Christ" and "every knee will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord," "all have sinned and fallen short" and "Whosoever believes in Him will have eternal life." I did not write the Bible. I just read what it says and follow it to the very best of my ability, this is how I "know."
And you know the bible is legit because...? I'm going to have a guess and say this book is the particular one you were brainwashed with? If you grew up in Palestine you'd be telling us about Allah and if you grew up in Israel you'd be telling us about YHWH.
You might not've wrote the bible, but neither did god. It was people.
February 21, 2014, 12:44:37 PM
And what evidence do these so called scientists have that Noah didn't have a bionic eye and nuclear powered arc? None! It must be true.
February 21, 2014, 11:57:20 AM
This has evolved into a level of crazy I'm not used to seeing outside threads started by Actor_Tom_Truong 
On the other hand I would pay good money to see a movie where a pair of Tyrannosaurs murderstomp their way around Noah's ark. It will be called "Forty days of TERROR" and you read about it here first.
On the other hand I would pay good money to see a movie where a pair of Tyrannosaurs murderstomp their way around Noah's ark. It will be called "Forty days of TERROR" and you read about it here first.
Ha, more like 4 hours of terror.
February 21, 2014, 10:10:44 AM
Screw you guys, it's Spielberg or nobody 
February 21, 2014, 11:48:34 AM
To stand before God and say, "It all seemed to stupid" or even "I was a good and moral person" is not enough to avoid eternal punishment.
How do you know? Sounds like reasonable guy. What happens to people in the middle of nowhere in some tribe that has never even heard of God or Jesus or babies that die not knowing god? They burn in hell because nobody bothered to go tell them about this crap? If there was a god I think religions would be a pretty big insult to his intelligence. Shame you can't see this.
The Bible says that there is only "one way to the Father through Jesus Christ" and "every knee will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,"
February 21, 2014, 11:38:29 AM
The Asylum makes crappy movies
Sharknado is great!
February 21, 2014, 11:34:19 AM
To stand before God and say, "It all seemed to stupid" or even "I was a good and moral person" is not enough to avoid eternal punishment.
How do you know? Sounds like reasonable guy. What happens to people in the middle of nowhere in some tribe that has never even heard of God or Jesus or babies that die not knowing god? They burn in hell because nobody bothered to go tell them about this crap? If there was a god I think religions would be a pretty big insult to his intelligence. Shame you can't see this.
The Bible says that there is only "one way to the Father through Jesus Christ" and "every knee will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord," "all have sinned and fallen short" and "Whosoever believes in Him will have eternal life." I did not write the Bible. I just read what it says and follow it to the very best of my ability, this is how I "know."
As for babies, tribesmen etc, I believe that the Catholic idea of "Purgatory" is not too far off, although there is not necessarily any evidence of being able to pray for the souls there, but the English translation of the Bible has done a disservice of simplifying "Sheol" and "The Grave" into "Hell." In a nutshell, God is fair. He puts fairness into our hearts. Jesus took the "keys of Hades" during the three days before his resurrection and during that time may have very well spoken to the souls that are there in what may be a timeless place and gave them the fair chance to accept or deny Him. This is my belief. Granted, many Christian churches do not preach this. They have more of a "black and white" view, but I don't think that is necessarily correct and even the Bible supports my viewpoint and I agree that it would not be fair to send someone to eternal damnation without giving them a fair chance.
February 21, 2014, 09:11:48 AM
This has evolved into a level of crazy I'm not used to seeing outside threads started by Actor_Tom_Truong
On the other hand I would pay good money to see a movie where a pair of Tyrannosaurs murderstomp their way around Noah's ark. It will be called "Forty days of TERROR" and you read about it here first.
On the other hand I would pay good money to see a movie where a pair of Tyrannosaurs murderstomp their way around Noah's ark. It will be called "Forty days of TERROR" and you read about it here first.
February 21, 2014, 11:29:49 AM
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If by age, you mean the observable evidence that they are young enough to have red blood cells still in the marrow and usable DNA, then yes. I believe they were created with all the other land animals and man on Day 6. Two of each kind were passengers on Noah's Ark. And they were seen after the flood by every nation from Daniel, Alexander the Great, Nebuchadnezzar, Chinese emperors, Europeans, American Natives, etc. The last known sighting of a small dragon was in 1611.
Hilarious, really hilarious, thanks for the laugh. That stuff made my day
Now seriously, since we've spent some time talking about genetics... Are you aware (rhetorical question, since I'm 100% certain you have no clue whatsoever) that 2 individual members of a species cannot procreate beyond a small number of inbred generations before dying out due to deterioating genetic fitness ?
It's due to the genetic effect called homozygosity, leading to the following (Wikipedia quote) :
- Reduced fertility both in litter size and sperm viability
- Increased genetic disorders
- Fluctuating facial asymmetry
- Lower birth rate
- Higher infant mortality
- Slower growth rate
- Smaller adult size
- Loss of immune system function
So whenever you hear someone (anyone) talking about "Adam and Eve" or Noah's Ark - you know they are talking pure BS. And any stories and myths that originated from these fables are identical BS.
An actual Dragon (as displayed by ancient or modern drawings or descriptions) has never existed outside the fantasy of human storytellers and naturally not a single piece of evidence exists.
(my best guess is that thousands of years ago people found the remains of a pterodactyl or similar bones and - lacking any scientific skills or knowledge but lots of superstition at that time - started the rumors of "dragons" which made it into today's fantasy stories over time)
I guess if you're into Dragons, you also believe in elves, orcs, hobbits etc. and likely are a frequent World of Warcraft player with severe personality disorders....
PS.
The last sighting of the Loch Ness monster in the UK was in 2011...
Still, we all know that Loch Ness monster never existed, but that detail doesn't matter, right?
PPS.
The old saying (now considered "politically incorrect") still holds true :
There's some smart people and there's a whole lot of dumb people roaming the earth. The dumb however, generally seem to multiply in greater numbers. Always has been that way.
While it may seem harsh to say - it's unfortunately 100% correct - and in the end, it always boils down to that simple fact of life.
Not sure why I am bothering to reply but the inbreeding would not have been as big of an issue back then. There were less mutations. There are more mutations each generation. The amount of mutations that have occurred is steady and observable and would be much more if the world was millions of years old. One more piece of evidence that supports creation.
Stories of dragons throughout history were most likely exaggerated, but that does not mean that they did not exist. If all cultures have stories about them, the Chinese still believe in them, we should sit back and ponder this at least. Of course there are other creatures that are myths. But these "dinosaur" bones that have just been discovered are nothing "new" in the world.
And as for the ark, the animals would have most likely been very young and small.
Of course we are considered crazy. That is fine. It really doesn't matter if you think we are crazy or not. What matters more is everyone's personal relationship with God. Each person will be accountable with what they do, or don't do with what they are given and everyone will be accountable to God's law, regardless of their belief in the law or not. To stand before God and say, "It all seemed to stupid" or even "I was a good and moral person" is not enough to avoid eternal punishment. You can shoot the messenger but it does not change the message or the truth behind the message.
Would be fun if you stand before god and you say "Hello god" and he answers you with "My name is Allah, you infidel".
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or even "I was a good and moral person" is not enough to avoid eternal punishment.
Your almighty god created the whole universe but even if you are a good person, that's not enough. He needs his worshipping else you will get eternal punishment? Your god has some real issues there. Jump to: