280 BTC total bets between Micon and mrb (are BFL ASICs real?)

Micon

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Quote from: mrb on July 01, 2013, 01:34:44 AM

It seems BFL Single SCs do 250 Mhash/Joule at 12V (estimation only, since no one bothered measuring power consumption at 12V). Anyway this seems far from the 350 Mh/J value set by the 80 BTC bet. So, I sent my cryptographic escrow code to Micon.

In summary, I won 100 BTC (150+ Mh/J bet), then lost 40 BTC (350+ Mh/J bet). Total = won 60 BTC from Micon.

Thanks for betting, Micon.

code rec'd, codes combined with C's btc-address system (although I had to dig out an Alpha version - seems the newest "btc-address" doesn't have the "escrow tools" menu (or maybe it's an older version that doesn't have it)

but anyway 80 coins rec'd, thanks again to mrb and others for setting an example of how gentlemen wager & then settle bets with each other.

mrb

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It seems BFL Single SCs do 250 Mhash/Joule at 12V (estimation only, since no one bothered measuring power consumption at 12V). Anyway this seems far from the 350 Mh/J value set by the 80 BTC bet. So, I sent my cryptographic escrow code to Micon.

In summary, I won 100 BTC (150+ Mh/J bet), then lost 40 BTC (350+ Mh/J bet). Total = won 60 BTC from Micon.

Thanks for betting, Micon.

casascius

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The Casascius 1oz 10BTC Silver Round (w/ Gold B)

Quote from: mrb on June 17, 2013, 05:24:05 AM

Thanks Micon, I confirm I received the 200 BTC from our bet.

This crypto escrow app works very well. Micon had actually misplaced his escrow code, but he merely had to ask the escrow (Dooglus) who had a copy of it. Escrow codes are effectively naturally redundantly distributed. Very cool.

So I guess escrows should be careful to not lose their codes. Would hate to be the one to say "sorry man my HD crashed and no backup" etc.

mrb

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Thanks Micon, I confirm I received the 200 BTC from our bet.

This crypto escrow app works very well. Micon had actually misplaced his escrow code, but he merely had to ask the escrow (Dooglus) who had a copy of it. Escrow codes are effectively naturally redundantly distributed. Very cool.

mufa23

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I'd fight Gandhi.

C'mon guys. There is plenty of other threads where you can pick on each others' internet reputation/ego.

Congratulations to the winners!

darkmule

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Note Josh Zerlan the troll and scammer's generous provision of yet another example why nobody but a moron would do business with the scam operation BFL.

Inaba

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Why would I apologize for it? It was true at the time and was meant to spur him into action and it worked. I have no doubt what so ever that if it weren't escroewed, he would have welshed on the bet.

Besides, I have yet to see an apology from him for calling me and BFL a scam and for all the ridiculous claims he's made over the past few months. Why would I apologize to a sorry, pathetic little man like Bryan Micon?

JordanL

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Quote from: Inaba on June 12, 2013, 03:55:59 PM

Micon welching on a bet... Who would have thought?

I think it's time to invoke the escrow holder since Micon is clearly not honest enough to actually pay up voluntarily. Not that it is any surprise from that sleazy character. He doesn't call himself a degenerate for nothing.

I guess you'll be apologizing for this now that Micon has paid all losses?

CrazyGuy

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Valid codes received, coins swept. Thanks Micon for not dragging the bet on, and thanks to Casascius for developing a great escrow tool! Good experience overall.

escrow.ms

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Whoa,just read this whole thread.
congrats mrb Cheesy

Charles999

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so when's the outcome?

Quote from: mrb on January 11, 2013, 06:13:41 AM

As of Jan 28, we have bet 80 BTC (40 each), sent to the escrow address calculated by casascius' cryptographic escrow app (casascius himself is the escrow). Terms of the bet: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1460806 Escrow address: 1Btxe5E8E4jCWfDhQMr683sVYnLgNLbA9z

As of Apr 16, we made a second bet of 200 BTC (100 each), sent to the escrow address (dooglus is the escrow). Terms of the bet: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1861384 Escrow address: 1Dtf7TrZrQr7QooVGoKfd99rxHNoikQ3EH

As of May 5, so far, here are the potential datapoints that could determine the bet winners:

User	Mhash/Joule	Proof
enmaku	191 (at the wall)	5-second average of 5720 Mhash/s while measuring 30 Watt
gigavps	188 (at the wall)	5-second average of 5650 Mhash/s at 30 Watt (not sure if he measured himself)
kano	169 (at the wall)	5400 Mhash/s while measuring 32 Watt (he visited BFL though, excluding him from one of the bet terms)
grnbrg	156 (at the wall)	2-second average of 4065 Mhash/s while measuring 26 Watt
hdsolar	n/a	5-second average of 5100 Mhash/s (unkwnown power consumption)
canton	n/a	5500 Mhash/s (unkwnown power consumption)

--oOo--

Below is the first draft, first attempt to defined a bet...

Micon and I expressed willingness to place a personal 1:1 bet between each other, identical to http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=665 , that is:

Quote

Butterfly Labs ASIC is real and will achieve 350+ Mhash/Joule

At least one ASIC-based Butterfly Labs product will demonstrate 350 Mhash/Joule or more, at stock frequency/voltage, at room temperature, for a sustained period of time of at least 60 minutes, with appropriate current-measuring equipment on the device's power input(s). Power consumption shall be measured by adding up current from all the device's DC inputs (12V jack, USB cable, etc.) It will not be measured "at the wall". The purpose of this bet is to avoid wildly varying efficiencies of power adapters and computer hosts. This bet applies to all ASIC-based products that Butterfly Labs will deliver to the general public. This includes the "SuperComputer" family (Jalapeno, Single SC, Mini Rig SC), as well as possibly any unannounced product that the company will be shipping by June 30, 2013.

This statement is true if, for example, the Single SC achieves 40 Ghash/s at 114 Watt or less (40000/114 = 351 Mhash/Joule) as measured with a clamp meter on its 12V DC input and 5V (USB) input.

This statement is false if all Butterfly Labs products fail to achieve 350 Mhash/Joule, or if Butterfly Labs fails to deliver any product at all.

mrb: agrees with the above statement.
Micon: disagrees with the statement.

SgtSpike

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Would just like to report that the codes sent were valid, and I have taken control of the address holding the bet money. Thanks Micon!

Micon

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Quote from: casascius on June 13, 2013, 10:19:03 AM

Congratulations to the winners!

yes indeed. It's nice to see people gambling like gentlemen, IMO.

Quote from: mrb on June 13, 2013, 07:42:06 AM

I emailed you Micon.

sent the 200 code, I anticipate receiving the 80 coin code in 17 days, so small money back on the loss for me.

Quote from: SgtSpike on June 13, 2013, 10:22:57 AM

Quote from: Micon on June 13, 2013, 05:36:08 AM

glglglgl / IMO I'll win the 350's vs. MrB & sgt spike, about 100 coins back for me, plus I settled earlier for 75 coins with Mr Teal. All in all, good gambling fun IMO.

Just to clarify, I had no 350 MH/J bet with you.

Here's the initial 40 BTC bet: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1468693
The additional 200 BTC bet sent to the same address: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1833042

Both are 150 MH/J bets.

you are correct, I'm sending you the 20-coin code as well at the 200 I have already sent. Congratulations on your win.

I have yet to hear from crazyblane but will copy-paste his code via email or any other method he wishes from WSOP today when he replies. I only come out slight loser in this one, having settled one bet with Mr. Teal for 75 coins, if I win the 80 coin code from mrb it looks like I'll be down ~80 coins or so on the deal.

a sincere thank you to Mike Caldwell for making the Btc-address tool. I will be using this in all my future escrow'd btc gambling dealings. Furthermore I will be using my 2011 Casascius coin as a card protector for day 2 of the $2500 Stud tourney today.

glglglglgl all

SgtSpike

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Quote from: Micon on June 13, 2013, 05:36:08 AM

glglglgl / IMO I'll win the 350's vs. MrB & sgt spike, about 100 coins back for me, plus I settled earlier for 75 coins with Mr Teal. All in all, good gambling fun IMO.

Just to clarify, I had no 350 MH/J bet with you.

Here's the initial 40 BTC bet: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1468693
The additional 200 BTC bet sent to the same address: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1833042

Both are 150 MH/J bets.

casascius

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Congratulations to the winners!

mrb

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I emailed you Micon.

Micon

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I'm satisfied that I lost the 150's.

Crazyblane, mrb, sgtspike please email me:

[email protected] and I'll reply with the code. If you need a more cryptographic transmission of the code let me know how you'd like it. [obv don't trust bitcointalk PMs IMO]

glglglgl / IMO I'll win the 350's vs. MrB & sgt spike, about 100 coins back for me, plus I settled earlier for 75 coins with Mr Teal. All in all, good gambling fun IMO.

congrats to the winners, tell 'em where you got it from!

WSOP day 2 tomorrow, gonna get some sleep, will ship the codes when I wake up or at worst tomorrow after the day is done. I value a quick payment when I win, so I strive to provide the same to the other guy when I lose.

Micon

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I'm on day 2 of the $2500 Stud tourney, avg stack:

but still feel this is a large enough wager to take some time now and go through everything. brb... researching

darkmule

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Excellent reminder of why never to do biz with BFL. It's run by convicted criminals and represented in public by an Internet troll.

Also, there's an escrow who can release the funds if it takes too long. And the escrow is trustworthy.

cAPSLOCK

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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!

Quote from: Inaba on June 12, 2013, 10:18:40 PM

About ten minutes, given his poker ability.

You are so very unpleasant. I would never have anything to do with your business. You know lots of us feel this way.

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