[4+ EH] Slush Pool (slushpool.com); Overt AsicBoost; World First Mining Pool - page 7.

Freemine-001010

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so looking around found Found

https://www.multipool.us/

looks like they pool hash and point it to slush pool but have a diffrent payout system.

Look at the block explorer on their web page and compare it to slush pool blocks

Identical ?? or what are they doing ?

https://www.multipool.us/dashboard/pool/btc

https://btc.com/stats/pool/SlushPool

so whats up with this Huh

kano

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 30, 2019, 08:37:53 PM

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What can a miner do to combat this?

He or she can mine solo with their own gear.

He or she can mine at a pps+ pool which pays no matter what.
...

i do pay more in fees for this protection which is my choice.

Or mine on a pool that does keep track of this and make sure the effect on miners is minimised ... which is easy enough (for me) to do.

Mcdes

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Luck has been savage on Slush! i finally had to cave and try elsewhere for last several weeks.

Vietjan

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Quote from: 3otry on October 30, 2019, 06:33:36 PM

this is why i make my own statistic... i keep a journal of how much block was mined everyday since in join slush 1 month ago. and maybe i dont calculate right but from the hashing power of the pool 4.5eh (slush pool) vs the total hashing power of the bitcoin community 57 eh (from google) it seem to me that somehow and somewhat those number should be at least related. and from the month i have passed on slush pool, it seem like that hashing power of slush pool does not bring its share of blocks and i wonder why. but like i said maybe it is me who doesnt calculate right. i am new to mining but i would think that 11% of hashing power would bring 11% of blocks and not 5%.
No?

A few months ago the total hashrate was 57 Eh/s, the total hashrate is much higher now: https://www.blockchain.com/charts/hash-rate (and remember that the numbers in this graph are estimates).

If you calculate how much bitcoin you should get with your hashrate on a site like Coinwarz, and you compare this with the 10/50/250 block numbers on Slush, you will see these numbers are correct. (And yes, we are on a really bad stroke of luck right now.)

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

The assumption of luck is that all gear mining at a pool works with proper firmware and submits shares correctly.

So plain and simple mining gear with bad firmware does exist and could be pointed at slush or at other pools.

What can a miner do to combat this?

He or she can mine solo with their own gear.

He or she can mine at a pps+ pool which pays no matter what.

Do I know slush has been attacked with bad gear that is with holding blocks no i do not.

but i do know mining at a pps+ pool that protects me from this attack.

i do pay more in fees for this protection which is my choice.

kano

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A simple example, if a pool was to get 80% luck for 250 blocks, The CDF[Erl] of 250 events with a mean of 80% luck (1.25) = 0.999886
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=CDF%5BErlangDistribution%5B250%2C+250%5D%2C++1.25%5D
This says that should happen about once in (1/(1-x)) * 250 = 2.19 million blocks the pool finds

I, of course, don't keep track of this pools luck or the number of blocks it has for that luck, but ... if it is having 80% luck over 250 blocks ... well, not sure why anyone would be mining here ...

I think you'll find your 50% luck figure is wrong though, since 80% luck is already far beyond likely what you would expect to happen.

... since redoing the calculation with 50% instead of 80% gives ...
CDF[Erl] of 250 events with a mean of 50% luck (2.0) gives .... about 1 in 2.1x10^37 blocks
So yeah that will never happen in the life of the universe

3otry

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this is why i make my own statistic... i keep a journal of how much block was mined everyday since in join slush 1 month ago. and maybe i dont calculate right but from the hashing power of the pool 4.5eh (slush pool) vs the total hashing power of the bitcoin community 57 eh (from google) it seem to me that somehow and somewhat those number should be at least related. and from the month i have passed on slush pool, it seem like that hashing power of slush pool does not bring its share of blocks and i wonder why. but like i said maybe it is me who doesnt calculate right. i am new to mining but i would think that 11% of hashing power would bring 11% of blocks and not 5%.
No?

kano

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Quote from: 3otry on October 30, 2019, 04:56:21 PM

hi total newb here, bitcoin fan and miner, i have join slush pool seem to me at the worst time to see there luck... im just trying to understand something if there is 57eh mined at this time (from google) and slush pool has 4.5 eh witch represent 11% of the world mining power why does slush only end up on average with 7 block a day (from my own statistic) rather than 15 block (11% from is hash power). i know the luck is bad but that much?? i mean it is half the expected return no?
as i said im a total neb so maybe i dont understand how thing work...
thank you
Eric

None of the pools (except mine) show the statistics related to multiple block results on the pool that would tell you if anything is ok or not.

It's not hard to do and I guess you could do it yourself, but I guess either they're all statistically challenged, or like to hide what's going on.
These stats also show to the pool operators if something is going wrong.
Though none of them clearly understand how to do a reasonable level of analysis to determine problems.

Even slush's so called 'proof' is not an actual proof of hash rate.
Slush has multiple cases where things have gone wrong and they've ignored it, even since they added their fake 'proof'.

Though I guess since all the other pools are just as bad or worse (some have no statistics at all and you could never know if anything was wrong) you have to put up with the poor quality service you get ...

3otry

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hi total newb here, bitcoin fan and miner, i have join slush pool seem to me at the worst time to see there luck... im just trying to understand something if there is 57eh mined at this time (from google) and slush pool has 4.5 eh witch represent 11% of the world mining power why does slush only end up on average with 7 block a day (from my own statistic) rather than 15 block (11% from is hash power). i know the luck is bad but that much?? i mean it is half the expected return no?
as i said im a total neb so maybe i dont understand how thing work...
thank you
Eric

Vietjan

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Yeah, 16+ hour blocks are getting the new normal it seems. I wonder when the day comes we will only find 1 block or no block at all.

For every period with the same difficulty I calculate what I should have gotten and what the payout on Slush was.
For 11.890.594.958.796 it was 91,6%, for 12.759.819.404.409 it was 90,0% and this period with only 2,5 days to go it will probably even be lower.

But hey, April, May and June were good months, and we don't even have to go back that far to "even out".
But I have to admit, on Slush three periods around 90% is a really bad stroke of luck judging from my experience.

I never really cared much about the NMC, but after this post:

Quote from: SlushPool official on February 12, 2019, 05:15:25 AM

The NMC rewards for the previous year will be paid out within a few weeks.
We are very sorry for the delay.

And with the luck being what it is, an extra payout would be very welcome.

Come on guys, I really like what you are doing with Braiins OS, but please give the pool some attention too.

MoparMiningLLC

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Quote from: Freemine-001010 on October 01, 2019, 09:41:09 PM

i didnt know that they did merged mining .... ive got some payouts coming,
jumped to btc.com pool a while ago before the 6.4 eh down to 4.9 eh
it did seem i had higher payouts with them even with the longer then usual times
with the merged setup paying out id prob come back Shocked

well slush pays pplns not pps so the smaller the pool the more you get per block found. so if luck is good you do ok. I do not think slush is sitting with good luck atm - I just looked and they are at over 13 hours for their current block.

MoparMiningLLC

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Quote from: Freemine-001010 on October 01, 2019, 09:41:09 PM

i didnt know that they did merged mining .... ive got some payouts coming,
jumped to btc.com pool a while ago before the 6.4 eh down to 4.9 eh
it did seem i had higher payouts with them even with the longer then usual times
with the merged setup paying out id prob come back Shocked

just go to rewards and toggle the nmc you will see they stopped payouts back in early 2018 though they still have it listed as "pending"

Freemine-001010

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i didnt know that they did merged mining .... ive got some payouts coming,
jumped to btc.com pool a while ago before the 6.4 eh down to 4.9 eh
it did seem i had higher payouts with them even with the longer then usual times
with the merged setup paying out id prob come back Shocked

Mcdes

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Quote from: prpz on October 01, 2019, 08:12:37 PM

Quote from: Mcdes on October 01, 2019, 05:17:10 PM

these times are perfect to jump on Kano and bring the hash up on that pool..... until the luck turns and you miss out hahaha

Hahaha omg...smooth think I might need to do some research and switch pools this luck is terrible in a midst of another block approaching 7 hrs again 4th night in a row or or 4/5 nights last 250 luck gonna be under 90 pretty soon one more of those lol and 10% over 250 blocks is huge (to me)

i would nearly expect it to correct, and come storming back, to even out. wouldnt wanna miss out on that. we can either play it safe and sit, or try and time it.

prpz

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Quote from: Mcdes on October 01, 2019, 05:17:10 PM

these times are perfect to jump on Kano and bring the hash up on that pool..... until the luck turns and you miss out hahaha

Hahaha omg...smooth think I might need to do some research and switch pools this luck is terrible in a midst of another block approaching 7 hrs again 4th night in a row or or 4/5 nights last 250 luck gonna be under 90 pretty soon one more of those lol and 10% over 250 blocks is huge (to me)

Mcdes

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these times are perfect to jump on Kano and bring the hash up on that pool..... until the luck turns and you miss out hahaha

Mcdes

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Quote from: prpz on October 01, 2019, 09:57:40 AM

a bit? lol very bad luck, back to back to back 11-13 hr mining cycles, hashpower went from 6.3 to 5 20-25%

well, i was being semi polite..... but you are correct, pretty savage with those 11-16hr! mining cycles

I dont mind the over all hash drop, helps with my rewards, but it didnt make a difference to get blocks, even when it was up overall!

Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on October 01, 2019, 09:59:25 AM

I am still waiting for Slush to pay out the 18 months or so of merged mining that they are holding. They need to just change it and say that they do not do merged mining since they stopped paying it out in Jan/Feb of 2018

word!

MoparMiningLLC

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I am still waiting for Slush to pay out the 18 months or so of merged mining that they are holding. They need to just change it and say that they do not do merged mining since they stopped paying it out in Jan/Feb of 2018

prpz

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a bit? lol very bad luck, back to back to back 11-13 hr mining cycles, hashpower went from 6.3 to 5 20-25%

Mcdes

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been a bit of a rough run for Slushpool? long time between blocks..............

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