Topic: 400 BTC sent to an unknow address. (COINS RETURNED) 40 BTC reward. - page 5. (Read 19840 times)
May 21, 2012, 12:15:47 AM
So i keep getting PM's and to stop them all here is my response: From my understanding, Apparently I sent Bitcoins from the Bitcoin address listed in the above reported accidental incident. I've looked through all my backups and I have not found 401.xx BTC or any outrageously large numbers - actually to my disappointment I found a few satoshis'. Anyways if I do happen to find the wallet I was using I will be sure to alert the OP that I can send the funds.
May 21, 2012, 12:07:21 AM
It's not CampBX or MtGox - they create a different pattern in the blockchain.
Sadly, Bitcoin7 fits the bill, as far as I know (I'd have to see a bitcoin transfer to/from them to compare). I'm so sorry Goat.
Wait... That's not possible. Give me a sec to think this over...
It could be MtGox. I just don't remember what their pattern looked like back then. Nope. Can't have been them.
Wait... That's not possible. Give me a sec to think this over...
May 20, 2012, 11:54:56 PM
I got this in an email..
> You sent 1.96 to 1DMLq4UF1yWn9kTC8a6fvVcMzLizuShaz
> (2011-10-23 txn 369db3a7355339a768e31d8197bdfb6170e73a205deef52caf35b64969c60000)
>
> from there 0.01035843 btc went to 1HZx6ekPuVGuzkePNynTYhno1NefSGa4HT
> (2011-10-23 txn a5384746ab9ece2733d3b3f13c9e3f6815f428ce0954a735a7742a80c7548965)
>
> and from there 0.995 btc went to 14GRFHDKQgpwkBDfANAum3MBpJsFKBvz9g
> (2011-10-24 txn 12a9b359421007226c18312ad22c29664209263830991268b08d504027a75d84)
>
>
> That last address is owned by user mute20, see
> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.588947
And Maged said something about the same company. Maybe we are getting close?
> You sent 1.96 to 1DMLq4UF1yWn9kTC8a6fvVcMzLizuShaz
> (2011-10-23 txn 369db3a7355339a768e31d8197bdfb6170e73a205deef52caf35b64969c60000)
>
> from there 0.01035843 btc went to 1HZx6ekPuVGuzkePNynTYhno1NefSGa4HT
> (2011-10-23 txn a5384746ab9ece2733d3b3f13c9e3f6815f428ce0954a735a7742a80c7548965)
>
> and from there 0.995 btc went to 14GRFHDKQgpwkBDfANAum3MBpJsFKBvz9g
> (2011-10-24 txn 12a9b359421007226c18312ad22c29664209263830991268b08d504027a75d84)
>
>
> That last address is owned by user mute20, see
> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.588947
And Maged said something about the same company. Maybe we are getting close?
Yes, exactly. That's one of the addresses mentioned in my post. Here is my explanation for the other:
Transaction a5384746ab9ece2733d3b3f13c9e3f6815f428ce0954a735a7742a80c7548965, which spent your 1.96 BTC, also spent 0.01053468 BTC, which came from transaction 13b3f304e35a08d7942db489c1d02ce54a65ec0ffbfbb35263c4dbefd3432669.
In that transaction, the 0.01053468 BTC seem to be the change. The other output was 0.995 BTC to address 1AvZBfz7txnLHsLVna9Liw7tFCKZTgqTyM. That address was posted by user Cory in the same thread.
So it seems very clear that you sent your 1.96 BTC to the same wallet that Xenland sent his payments from in that thread. It is not necessarily his wallet -- it could be an online service.
I sent a PM to Xenland and he said:
Quote from: Xenland
I checked all my bitcoin wallets and didn't seem to find any 400BTC or anything of that big.
I then asked if he remembered sending those payments from an online service. His reply:
Quote from: Xenland
If memory serves correctly I'm pretty sure I was sending them straight from my wallet but then again I do remmeber not having enough funds and going somwhere else for the payment, perhaps mtgox? campbx? I use to use Bitcoin7 as well back at that time...mmmm i'm pretty sure it it came from my old wallet I'll keep my eye out for backup wallets tho.
May 20, 2012, 11:48:44 PM
Where ever you sent the coins, Xenland knows where. It would have been whatever service he sent that bounty from.
Sadly, I'm not familiar with the e-wallet that has their fees set like that. My guess is instawallet, but I don't know for sure.
Sadly, I'm not familiar with the e-wallet that has their fees set like that. My guess is instawallet, but I don't know for sure.
May 20, 2012, 11:25:08 PM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.588947
This seems to be somewhat connected?
Maybe I did send coins to cheaper in Bitcoins?
This seems to be somewhat connected?
Maybe I did send coins to cheaper in Bitcoins?
How is anything in that thread related to your 400 coins ? just asking
May 20, 2012, 11:18:29 PM
Well, apparently someone considered this of tantamount importance to Bitcoin vulnerabilities; it got posted in the site-wide News bar.
"If you've unexpectedly received 400 BTC, please contact Goat."
Valiant, but probably futile.
"If you've unexpectedly received 400 BTC, please contact Goat."
Valiant, but probably futile.
May 20, 2012, 10:53:49 PM
The university sent over two girls to learn about "business administration" and well... Let us just say they were extremely friendly with each other and myself.
CSB
May 20, 2012, 09:37:03 PM
That part was cartoonishly presented, but the important part that you left out was the legitimate question that follows:
The word on IRC is that these private services which pay >100% PPS in BTC for mining are doing this because they're attempting to get rid of 'dirty' coins which could potentially be traced in exchange for freshly mined coins. Certainly this is the only thing I've heard that makes any economic sense at all, but if it's true don't the miners have a right to know what role they're playing in this and what risk they're taking?
Have I got it wrong? Can you help me understand what the business is here?
Certainly a reasonable question.
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The word on IRC is that these private services which pay >100% PPS in BTC for mining are doing this because they're attempting to get rid of 'dirty' coins which could potentially be traced in exchange for freshly mined coins. Certainly this is the only thing I've heard that makes any economic sense at all, but if it's true don't the miners have a right to know what role they're playing in this and what risk they're taking?
Have I got it wrong? Can you help me understand what the business is here?
Certainly a reasonable question.
Everyone knows Goat was doing a pool hopping proxy, so it's not much of a question now. And ignoring that - marked coins? Tainted coins spread so rapidly that before long everyone has some. As for " Certainly this is the only thing I've heard that makes any economic sense at all" then for a miner gmaxwell didn't think too hard. Pool hopping was the first thing that came to my mind.
What gmaxwell say can be said for many ventures in btc-land. Maybe he hassles everyone equally - I don't know. But what Goat was doing was plain to me from the outset.
May 20, 2012, 08:59:32 PM
That part was cartoonishly presented, but the important part that you left out was the legitimate question that follows:
The word on IRC is that these private services which pay >100% PPS in BTC for mining are doing this because they're attempting to get rid of 'dirty' coins which could potentially be traced in exchange for freshly mined coins. Certainly this is the only thing I've heard that makes any economic sense at all, but if it's true don't the miners have a right to know what role they're playing in this and what risk they're taking?
Have I got it wrong? Can you help me understand what the business is here?
Certainly a reasonable question.
Quote
The word on IRC is that these private services which pay >100% PPS in BTC for mining are doing this because they're attempting to get rid of 'dirty' coins which could potentially be traced in exchange for freshly mined coins. Certainly this is the only thing I've heard that makes any economic sense at all, but if it's true don't the miners have a right to know what role they're playing in this and what risk they're taking?
Have I got it wrong? Can you help me understand what the business is here?
Certainly a reasonable question.
May 20, 2012, 08:55:20 PM
Which quote seems more reasonable to you?
WTF? Alpaca socks? Marked coins? Is this an alternative universe?
So what should someone who's been mining for you do when after they use their mined coins to buy Alpaca Socks law enforcement shows up and tells them that their coins were the marked proceeds from a sting operation related to drugs, arms sales, child porn trade, or that they were bitcoins reported previously stolen and that they have a warrants to seize all their computers to look for evidence?
You are a mod so you should know better than to troll my thread:/ If you have an evidence please post it in my thread, if you are listening to slander by my competitors well then you are a fool. There are highly respected member of the community who know exactly what I do and no it is not illegal or even borderline.
You want to know how my service works? Read the FAQ like everyone else or send me a PM. You do not like me reselling hashing power then don't send me hashing power. Free market deal with it.
You want to know how my service works? Read the FAQ like everyone else or send me a PM. You do not like me reselling hashing power then don't send me hashing power. Free market deal with it.
WTF? Alpaca socks? Marked coins? Is this an alternative universe?
May 20, 2012, 08:53:21 PM
After reading the thread at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-watch-the-thread-for-finaly-payout-info-project-2-54467, your hissyfit at gmaxwell in #bitcoin and other postings by you in this forum, I 've got to say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
I have no idea what you're talking about. gmaxwell was off on some weird/trollish rant that I didn't really follow. Goat's responses on the other hand seemed pretty reasonable.
Interesting, I read exactly the reverse into that and didn't find his responses reasonable at all.
May 20, 2012, 08:51:50 PM
After reading the thread at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-watch-the-thread-for-finaly-payout-info-project-2-54467, your hissyfit at gmaxwell in #bitcoin and other postings by you in this forum, I 've got to say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
I have no idea what you're talking about. gmaxwell was off on some weird/trollish rant that I didn't really follow. Goat's responses on the other hand seemed pretty reasonable.
Agreed. Recheck what you posted shockD.
May 20, 2012, 08:50:17 PM
After reading the thread at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-watch-the-thread-for-finaly-payout-info-project-2-54467, your hissyfit at gmaxwell in #bitcoin and other postings by you in this forum, I 've got to say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
I have no idea what you're talking about. gmaxwell was off on some weird/trollish rant that I didn't really follow. Goat's responses on the other hand seemed pretty reasonable.
May 20, 2012, 08:45:59 PM
After reading the thread at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-watch-the-thread-for-finaly-payout-info-project-2-54467, your hissyfit at gmaxwell in #bitcoin and other postings by you in this forum, I 've got to say, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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May 20, 2012, 07:15:26 PM
Jesus...
a fool and his money soon part...
a fool and his money soon part...
Not nice to kick the guy while he's already down...
I know I have lost a bit of cash in my time. carelessness is a dick sometimes. Chin up goat.
May 20, 2012, 06:58:42 PM
I bet I am not the only one who likes to ask: Goat, who is that four eyed fat white fuck on your icon? How much did he pay for you to get the picture taken?
LMAO!!!
I nearly fell out of my chair when I read this... too fucking funny
Like others said..
How you did this without checking your address's is beyond me..
Must be nice to be able to afford slip ups like this...
May 20, 2012, 06:12:22 PM
Sorry to hear about this, Goat. Time to generate a bunch of vanity addresses - might help with large sum payments. I hope the recipient does the right thing.
May 20, 2012, 04:05:07 PM
If a Bitcoin veteran can make this kind of mistake, something needs to be done to make the addressing foolproof.
Nothing needs to be done about this. It was a valid address, just an old one. I seriously don't know how someone can be so careless to lose 400 BTC this way and it wasn't even 400, that was lucky. It could have been 3000. I re-check the addresses I either send to or give someone else even if it's 1 BTC. For a 3000 BTC amount I would triple check. This sounded like he just copy pasted some random address while surfing porn meanwhile.I'm sorry for the loss but saying that this requires changes from Bitcoin is ridiculous.
Only triple check for 3k BTC? May be I'm nuts but I still check 5+ times for amounts that size even for normal bank transfers. May be I'll tune it down when I'm crazy rich
May 20, 2012, 03:24:06 PM
I hope this all gets straightened out, but next time, send the 400 btc to 1AQ52f8q4PEfVBp4VqWSVm2i4qaLkXPsiG, Id be more than happy to send you 360 back 
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. May 20, 2012, 03:20:30 PM
As casascius pointed out, the person (or wallet) you sent the money to tends to make payments that are 0.005 BTC less than a round number. Looking at the addresses that those payments went to, some of them appear to be addresses that were posted in this thread: Break My Website | Cheaper in Bitcoins.
For example:
Therefore, I would suggest that your 1.96 BTC and 400 BTC were sent to Xenland, or at least to a wallet service that he was using at the time. I would suggest contacting him to see if he has them, or if he can tell you which service does.
For example:
Therefore, I would suggest that your 1.96 BTC and 400 BTC were sent to Xenland, or at least to a wallet service that he was using at the time. I would suggest contacting him to see if he has them, or if he can tell you which service does.
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