still I would love to see some tests. 
Topic: 50 Hardware Wallets, compared feature by feature - page 11. (Read 3228 times)
I Never knew that we had waterproof hardware wallets. Very interesting to see if it is generally good or bad if the wallet is very durable. This is because in general the wallet should still be easy to destroy in case of a 5$ wrenching attack still I would love to see some tests.
still I would love to see some tests.
Keevo Model 1 is not waterproof. Fixed on spreadsheet/article
The waterproof section is not new, I just moved the row. I am trying to confirm if I have some mistakes.
Waiting confirmation from Keevo and Ngrave teams
Ellipal & Coolwallet are waterproof, they mention that here:
https://www.ellipal.com/blogs/news/the-dangers-of-physical-attacks-on-your-hardware-wallet
https://www.coolwallet.io/introducing-the-coolwallet-pro-for-enhanced-staking-defi-dapp-and-nft-support/
Arculus support answered this to me in the past:
"Yes, the Arculus Key™ Card is waterproof, but we don't advise submerging it in water if you can avoid it."
Waiting confirmation from Keevo and Ngrave teams
Ellipal & Coolwallet are waterproof, they mention that here:
https://www.ellipal.com/blogs/news/the-dangers-of-physical-attacks-on-your-hardware-wallet
https://www.coolwallet.io/introducing-the-coolwallet-pro-for-enhanced-staking-defi-dapp-and-nft-support/
Arculus support answered this to me in the past:
"Yes, the Arculus Key™ Card is waterproof, but we don't advise submerging it in water if you can avoid it."
NGrave support team: "It's not completely waterproof but the ZERO is IP55-certified and is resistant to water and dust."
The waterproof section is not new, I just moved the row. I am trying to confirm if I have some mistakes.
Waiting confirmation from Keevo and Ngrave teams
Ellipal & Coolwallet are waterproof, they mention that here:
https://www.ellipal.com/blogs/news/the-dangers-of-physical-attacks-on-your-hardware-wallet
https://www.coolwallet.io/introducing-the-coolwallet-pro-for-enhanced-staking-defi-dapp-and-nft-support/
Arculus support answered this to me in the past:
"Yes, the Arculus Key™ Card is waterproof, but we don't advise submerging it in water if you can avoid it."
Waiting confirmation from Keevo and Ngrave teams
Ellipal & Coolwallet are waterproof, they mention that here:
https://www.ellipal.com/blogs/news/the-dangers-of-physical-attacks-on-your-hardware-wallet
https://www.coolwallet.io/introducing-the-coolwallet-pro-for-enhanced-staking-defi-dapp-and-nft-support/
Arculus support answered this to me in the past:
"Yes, the Arculus Key™ Card is waterproof, but we don't advise submerging it in water if you can avoid it."
I am trying to add as many wallets as possible. I didn't know oneKey, I will add it. Thanks for mentioning it. I am open to new suggestions.
you're welcome, it was a pleasure to give you an extra tip on what to include in your web article, I personally met OneKey thanks to the bitcointalk forum, I had never heard of it and when I read it for the first time I immediately liked it , despite this, however, I am not a holder of any OneKey currently
The waterproof section is not new, I just moved the row. I am trying to confirm if I have some mistakes.
Waiting confirmation from Keevo and Ngrave teams
Ellipal & Coolwallet are waterproof, they mention that here:
https://www.ellipal.com/blogs/news/the-dangers-of-physical-attacks-on-your-hardware-wallet
https://www.coolwallet.io/introducing-the-coolwallet-pro-for-enhanced-staking-defi-dapp-and-nft-support/
Arculus support answered this to me in the past:
"Yes, the Arculus Key™ Card is waterproof, but we don't advise submerging it in water if you can avoid it."
Waiting confirmation from Keevo and Ngrave teams
Ellipal & Coolwallet are waterproof, they mention that here:
https://www.ellipal.com/blogs/news/the-dangers-of-physical-attacks-on-your-hardware-wallet
https://www.coolwallet.io/introducing-the-coolwallet-pro-for-enhanced-staking-defi-dapp-and-nft-support/
Arculus support answered this to me in the past:
"Yes, the Arculus Key™ Card is waterproof, but we don't advise submerging it in water if you can avoid it."
I will add those two wallets you mentioned to my list of wallets to evaluate.
Did you also add Waterproof section for hardware wallets in spreadsheet or was it always there?If I understand correctly CoolWallet, Ellipal, Keystone, Ngrave and few other wallets are unde this category but I don't think they are all waterproof.
I need this information for my research, so how can I read this information correctly?
Thanks for your suggestions SFR10. I fixed the Keevo dimensions and updated the topic title.
I will add those two wallets you mentioned to my list of wallets to evaluate.
I will add those two wallets you mentioned to my list of wallets to evaluate.
With 120 x 75 x 22 mm this is now officially largest hardware wallet device in the world... it's yuge 
@maxirossonI was about to respond and say it's not the largest hardware wallet [based on your list], but it appears that you made a mistake for the Keevo Model 1 [instead of using the dimensions for the device in question (95 mm x 58 mm x 11 mm), you included the dimensions for its "Exclusive Desktop Display Case (167 mm x 117 mm x 48 mm)"].
I am trying to add as many wallets as possible.
I am trying to focus on the more popular and best wallets, because there are lots of them.
The following two might not be that popular, but perhaps they deserve a spot as well:BTW, I think it's time to update the number of HW [32 and counting] in the subject field of this thread.
Thanks for the suggestions.
I added more updates to the article/spreadsheet:
- Added OneKey Mini, OneKey Classic and OneKey Touch wallets
- Added firmware release notes links for each wallet (when available)
I am going to take a look to Cypherock X1 and Tangem
I added more updates to the article/spreadsheet:
- Added OneKey Mini, OneKey Classic and OneKey Touch wallets
- Added firmware release notes links for each wallet (when available)
I am going to take a look to Cypherock X1 and Tangem
Thanks for that link with all those wallets. I am trying to focus on the more popular and best wallets, because there are lots of them.
And I don't think you should add all of them but here are few suggestions for you to consider.OneKey is most popular hardware wallet manufacturer from China (much more popular than Safepal or Keystone), I received that information from several trusted sources.
They currently have three models you can add (Mini, Classic, Touch), they are open source and have reasonable prices.
Cypherock X1 is also interesting hardware wallet from India that works different from all other hardware wallets, and you can also add one more card style wallet called Tangem.
Added dimensions for Arculus.
Coldcard Q1 dimensions source: https://coldcard.com/docs/specs
Thanks for that link with all those wallets. I am trying to focus on the more popular and best wallets, because there are lots of them.
Coldcard Q1 dimensions source: https://coldcard.com/docs/specs
Thanks for that link with all those wallets. I am trying to focus on the more popular and best wallets, because there are lots of them.
Added dimension for all the wallets and also added Tapsigner.
Nice one, I see you listened to my earlier suggestion Dimensions are currently missing for Arculus wallet, but I guess it's similar like for all other card style wallets.... not saying that I support or like Arculus in any way.
And how the heck did you find dimensions for for upcoming Coldcard Q1 hardwa wallet?
With 120 x 75 x 22 mm this is now officially largest hardware wallet device in the world... it's yuge
I am trying to add as many wallets as possible. I didn't know oneKey, I will add it. Thanks for mentioning it. I am open to new suggestions.
If you want to check big list of all hardware wallets, you can check one we are maintaining in our local board:https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/velika-lista-hardverski-novanici-80-5285324
I am trying to add as many wallets as possible. I didn't know oneKey, I will add it. Thanks for mentioning it. I am open to new suggestions.
Added dimension for all the wallets and also added Tapsigner.
https://blog.thebitcoinhole.com/best-hardware-wallets-31141ed1aa05
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-8DLbhxtOcDEBPl8-IAGWaoyx1H02JSz9hADCgAGyCo/edit?usp=sharing
https://blog.thebitcoinhole.com/best-hardware-wallets-31141ed1aa05
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-8DLbhxtOcDEBPl8-IAGWaoyx1H02JSz9hADCgAGyCo/edit?usp=sharing
excellent article and well written, I really liked the idea, I saw that you also included closed source hardware wallets such as safepal but you did not mention oneKey among the open source hardware wallets, I wanted to ask you why you omitted some hw?
Added dimension for all the wallets and also added Tapsigner.
https://blog.thebitcoinhole.com/best-hardware-wallets-31141ed1aa05
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-8DLbhxtOcDEBPl8-IAGWaoyx1H02JSz9hADCgAGyCo/edit?usp=sharing
https://blog.thebitcoinhole.com/best-hardware-wallets-31141ed1aa05
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-8DLbhxtOcDEBPl8-IAGWaoyx1H02JSz9hADCgAGyCo/edit?usp=sharing
Yes, good idea. I could add that info. Not sure if it is available for all the wallets, but I could try
Now comparing 28 hardware wallets, feature by feature
Thank you for keeping this spreadsheet updated maxirosson.I have one suggestion, can you please add dimension/size for all devices (cm/inch), since you already added weight and most of the other things?
I am especially interested to find out exact dimensions for new ColdCard Q1 device.
Added:
- Coldcard Q1
- Ledger Stax
Now comparing 28 hardware wallets, feature by feature:
- Medium Post: https://blog.thebitcoinhole.com/best-hardware-wallets-31141ed1aa05
- Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-8DLbhxtOcDEBPl8-IAGWaoyx1H02JSz9hADCgAGyCo/edit?usp=sharing
- Coldcard Q1
- Ledger Stax
Now comparing 28 hardware wallets, feature by feature:
- Medium Post: https://blog.thebitcoinhole.com/best-hardware-wallets-31141ed1aa05
- Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-8DLbhxtOcDEBPl8-IAGWaoyx1H02JSz9hADCgAGyCo/edit?usp=sharing
Just I can't go over the thing that I feel safe only if I see the transaction on the HW screen. All in all it's somewhere between "very nice" and "no, thank you".
A screen is definitely essential. Without visual confirmation on the hardware wallet itself, you cannot know whether your clipboard has been tampered with.And clipboard attacks are definitely one of the easier ones to pull off, due to relatively simple access to it by applications. Think of all the websites that let you 'copy to clipboard' e.g. when sharing a video link. That's their code that puts something in your clipboard. The same way, it could replace an address on your clipboard with a different one and you'll send the funds to them, unknowingly.
I also believe it's possible to do the 'trivial clipboard attack' and at the same time overlay the original address in the software wallet, such that the user can't notice.
and even to handle (display or input) the seed. I find this approach quite bad and unnecessary, since if one can use that safely indeed, then he can already use a cold storage, and the vast majority will setup the HW unsafely.
Displaying the seed on screen is definitely a big no. I know of a screenless hardware wallet that circumvents this by allowing you to insert a microSD, onto which it writes the seed phrase. That way it is never sent to the host computer over USB. 
Just I can't go over the thing that I feel safe only if I see the transaction on the HW screen. All in all it's somewhere between "very nice" and "no, thank you".
A screen is definitely essential. Without visual confirmation on the hardware wallet itself, you cannot know whether your clipboard has been tampered with.And clipboard attacks are definitely one of the easier ones to pull off, due to relatively simple access to it by applications. Think of all the websites that let you 'copy to clipboard' e.g. when sharing a video link. That's their code that puts something in your clipboard. The same way, it could replace an address on your clipboard with a different one and you'll send the funds to them, unknowingly.
There's always a screen (or I thought so), just some HW tend to use the software wallet's device/screen as place where one will double check addresses (to avoid the indeed so easy clipboard related hacks) and even to handle (display or input) the seed. I find this approach quite bad and unnecessary, since if one can use that safely indeed, then he can already use a cold storage, and the vast majority will setup the HW unsafely.
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