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Topic: 50 Hardware Wallets, compared feature by feature - page 9. (Read 3228 times)

legendary
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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
Regarding the coldcard. So, you say that you can see the source code of the firmware but you can't sell it. That would be a place in the middle between closed source that you can't see and open source that you can see and sell. It should be in yellow color in my website. I am going to modify it and clarify

OK.

But I don't think it is a huge problem, right? I mean, it's not like Ledger where everything is closed-source, it's certainly better than that. But also, it is not like other open-source hardware wallets where they give you unrestricted freedom to do whatever you want with the firmware. But if you're an end-user and you just want to install firmware or if you're a dev who wants to contribute back, then there is no legal issue.

As long as the codebase of the firmware is regularly updated and you can see all the parts of it, and all of the bugs & vulnerabilities that could be lurking about inside there, then there is still some validation that the cold wallet's code is acting honestly.

EDIT
That being said, they could've written their license differently to make it less redundant:

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Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining
a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the
"Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including
without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish,
distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to
permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject
to the following conditions:

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Without limiting other conditions in the License, the grant of
rights under the License will not include, and the License does not
grant to you, the right to Sell the Software.

It certainly makes me think that a lawyer did not write this.
member
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Regarding the coldcard. So, you say that you can see the source code of the firmware but you can't sell it. That would be a place in the middle between closed source that you can't see and open source that you can see and sell. It should be in yellow color in my website. I am going to modify it and clarify
legendary
Activity: 1568
Merit: 6660
bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
All are open-source
Sorry but ColdCard does NOT have open source devices anymore, but they have inflated NKV ego instead, and they use Commons Clause license   Tongue

That's strange, I was pretty sure TheBitcoinHole listed those wallets as open-source in the grid (EDIT: As of May 18 I can confirm that the wallets are listed like that).

Time to reshuffle my shopping list in that case...

EDIT 2: I see this is the license of their firmware?

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(c) Copyright 2020 by Coinkite Inc.

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining
a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the
"Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including
without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish,
distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to
permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject
to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be
included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND,
EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF
MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.
IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR
ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF
CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION
WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.


"Commons Clause" License Condition v1.0

The Software is provided to you by the Licensor under the License,
as defined below, subject to the following condition.

Without limiting other conditions in the License, the grant of
rights under the License will not include, and the License does not
grant to you, the right to Sell the Software.

For purposes of the foregoing, "Sell" means practicing any or all
of the rights granted to you under the License to provide to third
parties, for a fee or other consideration (including without
limitation fees for hosting or consulting/ support services related
to the Software), a product or service whose value derives, entirely
or substantially, from the functionality of the Software. Any license
notice or attribution required by the License must also include
this Commons Clause License Condition notice.

Software: All Coldcard associated files.
License: MIT
Licensor: Coinkite Inc.

It looks like MIT with an anti-sell clause.
legendary
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(...)
All are open-source, 100% air-gapped and come with a battery and QR scanner, work with all major wallets, have a "brick switch", have a secure chip (with the exception of the Jade, but it's the only one with "ANTI-KLEPTO / ANTI-EXFIL PROTOCOL"), and most importantly don't come with an outside risk of getting hacked (Trezor wallets) and don't have silly privacy or security scandals surrounding their products (*cough* Ledger).
Passport devices also support supply chain validation procedures[1] which allow the user to know if his device is genuine or if it has been tampered with. This kind of validations exist to avoid situations like this one[2]:
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"The unit was bought from a trusted seller through a popular classifieds website, and the holographic stickers on the box and the wallet itself were all present and undamaged."
"Instead of the original STM32F427, the unit had an STM32F429 with fully deactivated microcontroller flash-memory read-out protection mechanisms (RDP 0 instead of RDP 2 in genuine Trezors).".
"The fake cryptowallet would operate as normal, but the attackers had full control over it from the very beginning. According to the transaction history, they were in no hurry, waiting a whole month after the wallet was credited for the first time before they grabbed the money. The owner had no protection whatsoever: the game was lost from the very moment the money first arrived in the Trojan wallet."

[1]https://docs.foundationdevices.com/passport/setup
[2]https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/fake-trezor-wallets-designed-to-steal-bitcoin-spotted-in-the-wild/
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 7064
All are open-source
Sorry but ColdCard does NOT have open source devices anymore, but they have inflated NKV ego instead, and they use Commons Clause license   Tongue

Added Specter DIY to the website. Now comparing 36 different Hardware Wallets, feature by feature.
Since you started adding DIY devices, you can consider adding Krux wallet.
This project is smaller than SeedSigner or Specter, but it's very affordable and base device M5StickV looks very similar like Jade wallet and Maix Amigo is amazing.
You can find more information about Krux in my topic:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/krux-diy-hardware-wallet-5350905

PS
Nice work collecting all recent anti-ledger discounts  Cool
member
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Added Specter DIY to the website. Now comparing 36 different Hardware Wallets, feature by feature.

https://wallets.thebitcoinhole.com/
legendary
Activity: 1568
Merit: 6660
bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
These are the only hardware wallets people should be messing with:

- (Blockstream) Jade
- Passport
- Keystone devices
- The Coldcard Q1, once it's officially released
- EDIT: And the Airgap Wallet software, if used properly

All are open-source, 100% air-gapped and come with a battery and QR scanner, work with all major wallets, have a "brick switch", have a secure chip (with the exception of the Jade, but it's the only one with "ANTI-KLEPTO / ANTI-EXFIL PROTOCOL"), and most importantly don't come with an outside risk of getting hacked (Trezor wallets) and don't have silly privacy or security scandals surrounding their products (*cough* Ledger).
member
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Yes, I have plans to do some reviews. I received a Tapsigner, OneKey Touch and Jade from manufacturers. I started with the Onkey review on the blog. I will review the others as soon as I have a bit of time.
I can ask for more wallets from manufacturers but the problem is the taxes in my country. I have to pay them. If I start to have a bit of income, I could afford that.
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 7064
Maybe I should avoid putting a price for DIY wallets
Or you can just say that prices starting from $50 and going up, clever marketing trick but you need to put some work collecting and assembling everything if you want to pay less  Wink

Since you already added many hardware wallets with lot of details, it would be only fair to expect honest reviews for them soon (if manufacturers send you free devices for testing).
member
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Maybe I should avoid putting a price for DIY wallets
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 7064
Added SeedSigner
Are you sure that Seedsigner can be purchased and assembled for $50 right now?
RaspberryPi are not always easy to find and they often have higher price, plus you have to buy additional parts, print or buy the case and assemble everything yourself.
This is not a problem for me, but most newbies wouldn't know what to do even with detailed instructions.
Few shops are selling prebuilt devices but they are priced around €100 (on gobrrr.me).

Dimensions can also be very much different, because there are many cases (Open Pill, Orange Pill, Rugged Pill, etc).
member
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Added SeedSigner
member
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Added discount coupon codes for Arculus, Jade, Keystone, OneKey, Passport Batch 2, Satochip, and SecuX wallets.
member
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What tool are you using to show live SAT prices since they are changing all the time?
I just use an API to get the BTC price when loading the site, and then calculate the wallet price in SATs.

I think that HW prices are also changing sometimes, so it would be cool to have someone tracking that, instead of doing everything manually.
Yes, but it's a lot of work to parse all the manufacturer's sites to get the prices.

Adding responsive design update would probably fix most of the issues with various devices, and consider adding alternative dark theme switch.
The site is responsive and looking fine on my pixel 6. Is difficult to compare wallets on a small screen, I would always recommend using your desktop for that. But maybe you are having issues that I am not seeing. Some screenshots could help me to understand those issues.
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 7064
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I plan to add some preloaded filters like BTC-only wallets.
Not sure if all the wallets can be visible at the same time. But I could try changing the column width so we can see more wallets at the same time.
I forgot to say that I love that you added SATS value below USD prices.
What tool are you using to show live SAT prices since they are changing all the time?
I think that HW prices are also changing sometimes, so it would be cool to have someone tracking that, instead of doing everything manually.

PS
Adding responsive design update would probably fix most of the issues with various devices, and consider adding alternative dark theme switch.

member
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Added Satochip to the website. Now comparing 34 Hardware Wallets.

https://wallets.thebitcoinhole.com/

Also added some discounts you can get for some wallets. Working to add more deals.
member
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Added Tangem wallet. Now comparing 33 Hardware Wallets feature by feature.

https://wallets.thebitcoinhole.com/

Still waiting for Satochip support team to answer me some questions, so I can add their wallet.
member
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There are things that I think will improve the overall experience, for example, when I want to scroll right, I have to scroll down till the very end of list and then there is a scroll bar, which isn't comfortable. I think it will be better If there is an arrow or scroll bar at any moment when I read see the list.

Thanks for your feedback.

There are arrows to horizontally scroll. You can see at the right and left of the wallets images (only on desktop)
hero member
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Great, just great! To be honest, I even bookmarked it.
There are things that I think will improve the overall experience, for example, when I want to scroll right, I have to scroll down till the very end of list and then there is a scroll bar, which isn't comfortable. I think it will be better If there is an arrow or scroll bar at any moment when I read see the list.
Also, I think it's a good idea if it will be sorted by popularity, alphabet, release date, price.
member
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But its still missing Satochip hardware wallet (https://satochip.io), wen sir ?
Do you have a github page or something like that to allow contributions ?

Working right now to add Satochips.
The github repo: https://github.com/thebitcoinhole/hardware-wallets
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