50 Hardware Wallets, compared feature by feature - page 3.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 26, 2023, 01:22:51 PM

Quote from: maxirosson on December 25, 2023, 05:14:57 PM

Thanks for the idea. Could you give me more info so I can analyze it? Those websites you mention, for example. I am trying to focus on self-custody, so I want to be sure those additions are a good idea or not.

This would be more like a way to spend Bitcoin on websites and services where Bitcoin is not accepted directly.
For example of gift cards there are websites like thebitcoincompany.com, bitrefill.com and maybe few others, that can be used to purchase this cards without kyc.
As for debit cards there are both kyc and no-kyc, virtual and physical, some of them are issues by centralized exchanges or other by companies.

Few examples I found in bitcointalk forum:
1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-gift-cards-providers-5208530
2. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/v2-big-list-of-crypto-debit-cards-5473572

Ok. Sounds interesting but I would prefer to keep my focus on products related to self custody.

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Quote from: maxirosson on December 25, 2023, 05:14:57 PM

Thanks for the idea. Could you give me more info so I can analyze it? Those websites you mention, for example. I am trying to focus on self-custody, so I want to be sure those additions are a good idea or not.

This would be more like a way to spend Bitcoin on websites and services where Bitcoin is not accepted directly.
For example of gift cards there are websites like thebitcoincompany.com, bitrefill.com and maybe few others, that can be used to purchase this cards without kyc.
As for debit cards there are both kyc and no-kyc, virtual and physical, some of them are issues by centralized exchanges or other by companies.

Few examples I found in bitcointalk forum:
1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-gift-cards-providers-5208530
2. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/v2-big-list-of-crypto-debit-cards-5473572

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Quote from: maxirosson on December 25, 2023, 08:10:11 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 25, 2023, 07:56:00 PM

Quote from: maxirosson on December 25, 2023, 10:31:10 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 24, 2023, 10:42:16 PM

I get a bit confused in terms of making comparisons - especially if one wallet type is not next to the one that I am trying to compare, or having to scroll across several pages horizontally to be able to see the comparisons in which I am interested.

Sure, I see the ability to filter various categories, but could there be a way to either select favorites (and then compare favorites) or maybe just a click box in the right upper corner to compare specific ones that are clicked (or the box could allow for the placement of a number value such as 1, 2, 3 and then the wallets would be sorted in accordance with the number that the user types in the box.. all the 1s would go next to each other, all the 2s next to each other, but after the 1s, and the ones without numerical assignment in their box would come last)..

Maybe being able to compare up to 10 or more at a time.. or if they are put in the order that the user-chooses, then maybe all of them can be compared and prioritized by the user.. and then that would end up allowing an ability for the user to order the wallets in a personalized way..- to customize which ones are next to each other if scrolling through the comparisons?

Hi. Thanks for the feedback. On the filters section you have the ability to filter by wallet name so that you can pick your favorites.

Maybe you can explain a little bit better how I would achieve such a result to compare 5-10 wallets side by side and in one glance rather than typing in and presumptively looking at one named wallet at a time.

Let's say for example, I wanted to compare: 1) Jade, 2) Coldcard Mk4, 3) Bitbox02 (BTC ONLY), 4) Keystone 3 Pro, 5) Passport Batch 2, 6) Trezor Model T, 7) SafePal S1 Pro Cool

SafePal S1 Pro 9) KeepKey and 10) CoolWalletPro.

Then how would I accomplish such side-by-side comparison of those specific 10 HWs?

What I am suggesting is to put some kind of a check box or even a number ranking so that I can rank them myself and be able to see the ones that I choose side by side. Do you see what I mean? Is such a thing already possible? If not, can you see how it would be user-friendly to be able to achieve a customized selection of side-by-side comparisons?

You can see the step-by-step in this video I posted on Twitter
https://twitter.com/thebitcoinhole/status/1732846389367906370

Basically, you need to go to Filters -> Basic Information -> Name and then pick all the wallets you want to compare.

Oh? Thanks. now I am feeling dumb. I see it now. Within basic information there is a drop down menu on the "name" button in which I can select the wallets from within that dropdown menu that I might want to compare.

So yes, that is exactly what I was trying to say that I wanted to be able to do, but I could not figure out a way to get to that point.. .. until now.. I do think that it might be better to change the descriptor to something like "compare by name" rather than just saying "name" or some other way of highlighting that compare feature a bit better, because some people (similar to me) might get overwhelmed by how many wallets there are, and just end up leaving the site and yes if they are on a phone or other small-screened device then maybe they can only compare a few wallets at a time..

Now that I know how to do it.. I am going to feel more empowered to make comparisons in the other sections that you list too, such as nodes or software wallets.

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 25, 2023, 07:56:00 PM

Quote from: maxirosson on December 25, 2023, 10:31:10 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 24, 2023, 10:42:16 PM

I get a bit confused in terms of making comparisons - especially if one wallet type is not next to the one that I am trying to compare, or having to scroll across several pages horizontally to be able to see the comparisons in which I am interested.

Sure, I see the ability to filter various categories, but could there be a way to either select favorites (and then compare favorites) or maybe just a click box in the right upper corner to compare specific ones that are clicked (or the box could allow for the placement of a number value such as 1, 2, 3 and then the wallets would be sorted in accordance with the number that the user types in the box.. all the 1s would go next to each other, all the 2s next to each other, but after the 1s, and the ones without numerical assignment in their box would come last)..

Maybe being able to compare up to 10 or more at a time.. or if they are put in the order that the user-chooses, then maybe all of them can be compared and prioritized by the user.. and then that would end up allowing an ability for the user to order the wallets in a personalized way..- to customize which ones are next to each other if scrolling through the comparisons?

Hi. Thanks for the feedback. On the filters section you have the ability to filter by wallet name so that you can pick your favorites.

Maybe you can explain a little bit better how I would achieve such a result to compare 5-10 wallets side by side and in one glance rather than typing in and presumptively looking at one named wallet at a time.

Let's say for example, I wanted to compare: 1) Jade, 2) Coldcard Mk4, 3) Bitbox02 (BTC ONLY), 4) Keystone 3 Pro, 5) Passport Batch 2, 6) Trezor Model T, 7) SafePal S1 Pro Cool

SafePal S1 Pro 9) KeepKey and 10) CoolWalletPro.

Then how would I accomplish such side-by-side comparison of those specific 10 HWs?

What I am suggesting is to put some kind of a check box or even a number ranking so that I can rank them myself and be able to see the ones that I choose side by side. Do you see what I mean? Is such a thing already possible? If not, can you see how it would be user-friendly to be able to achieve a customized selection of side-by-side comparisons?

You can see the step-by-step in this video I posted on Twitter
https://twitter.com/thebitcoinhole/status/1732846389367906370

Basically, you need to go to Filters -> Basic Information -> Name and then pick all the wallets you want to compare.

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Quote from: maxirosson on December 25, 2023, 10:31:10 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 24, 2023, 10:42:16 PM

I get a bit confused in terms of making comparisons - especially if one wallet type is not next to the one that I am trying to compare, or having to scroll across several pages horizontally to be able to see the comparisons in which I am interested.

Sure, I see the ability to filter various categories, but could there be a way to either select favorites (and then compare favorites) or maybe just a click box in the right upper corner to compare specific ones that are clicked (or the box could allow for the placement of a number value such as 1, 2, 3 and then the wallets would be sorted in accordance with the number that the user types in the box.. all the 1s would go next to each other, all the 2s next to each other, but after the 1s, and the ones without numerical assignment in their box would come last)..

Maybe being able to compare up to 10 or more at a time.. or if they are put in the order that the user-chooses, then maybe all of them can be compared and prioritized by the user.. and then that would end up allowing an ability for the user to order the wallets in a personalized way..- to customize which ones are next to each other if scrolling through the comparisons?

Hi. Thanks for the feedback. On the filters section you have the ability to filter by wallet name so that you can pick your favorites.

Maybe you can explain a little bit better how I would achieve such a result to compare 5-10 wallets side by side and in one glance rather than typing in and presumptively looking at one named wallet at a time.

Let's say for example, I wanted to compare: 1) Jade, 2) Coldcard Mk4, 3) Bitbox02 (BTC ONLY), 4) Keystone 3 Pro, 5) Passport Batch 2, 6) Trezor Model T, 7) SafePal S1 Pro Cool

SafePal S1 Pro 9) KeepKey and 10) CoolWalletPro.

Then how would I accomplish such side-by-side comparison of those specific 10 HWs?

What I am suggesting is to put some kind of a check box or even a number ranking so that I can rank them myself and be able to see the ones that I choose side by side. Do you see what I mean? Is such a thing already possible? If not, can you see how it would be user-friendly to be able to achieve a customized selection of side-by-side comparisons?

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Thanks for the suggestion. I added it.

Quote from: dkbit98 on December 25, 2023, 03:32:55 PM

Quote from: maxirosson on December 25, 2023, 10:31:10 AM

Hi. Thanks for the feedback. On the filters section you have the ability to filter by wallet name so that you can pick your favorites.

I think you should add Seedkeeper by Satochip as one of the Seed Backup solutions.
This is not made from metal, but it is waterproof and it's better than paper in my opinion.
https://satochip.io/product/seedkeeper/

Thanks for the idea. Could you give me more info so I can analyze it? Those websites you mention, for example. I am trying to focus on self-custody, so I want to be sure those additions are a good idea or not.

Quote from: dkbit98 on December 25, 2023, 03:32:55 PM

Can I pitch you another idea?

I know you are doing a great job on your website with hardware wallets, software wallets, seed backups, btc nodes and books,
but how about adding comparison for Debit Card and Gift Cards that support Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies?
There is only one or two websites doing that, mostly with outdated data and I am not impressed with them.

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Quote from: maxirosson on December 25, 2023, 10:31:10 AM

Hi. Thanks for the feedback. On the filters section you have the ability to filter by wallet name so that you can pick your favorites.

I think you should add Seedkeeper by Satochip as one of the Seed Backup solutions.
This is not made from metal, but it is waterproof and it's better than paper in my opinion.
https://satochip.io/product/seedkeeper/

Can I pitch you another idea?

I know you are doing a great job on your website with hardware wallets, software wallets, seed backups, btc nodes and books,
but how about adding comparison for Debit Card and Gift Cards that support Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies?
There is only one or two websites doing that, mostly with outdated data and I am not impressed with them.

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 24, 2023, 10:42:16 PM

I get a bit confused in terms of making comparisons - especially if one wallet type is not next to the one that I am trying to compare, or having to scroll across several pages horizontally to be able to see the comparisons in which I am interested.

Sure, I see the ability to filter various categories, but could there be a way to either select favorites (and then compare favorites) or maybe just a click box in the right upper corner to compare specific ones that are clicked (or the box could allow for the placement of a number value such as 1, 2, 3 and then the wallets would be sorted in accordance with the number that the user types in the box.. all the 1s would go next to each other, all the 2s next to each other, but after the 1s, and the ones without numerical assignment in their box would come last)..

Maybe being able to compare up to 10 or more at a time.. or if they are put in the order that the user-chooses, then maybe all of them can be compared and prioritized by the user.. and then that would end up allowing an ability for the user to order the wallets in a personalized way..- to customize which ones are next to each other if scrolling through the comparisons?

Hi. Thanks for the feedback. On the filters section you have the ability to filter by wallet name so that you can pick your favorites.

JayJuanGee

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I get a bit confused in terms of making comparisons - especially if one wallet type is not next to the one that I am trying to compare, or having to scroll across several pages horizontally to be able to see the comparisons in which I am interested.

Sure, I see the ability to filter various categories, but could there be a way to either select favorites (and then compare favorites) or maybe just a click box in the right upper corner to compare specific ones that are clicked (or the box could allow for the placement of a number value such as 1, 2, 3 and then the wallets would be sorted in accordance with the number that the user types in the box.. all the 1s would go next to each other, all the 2s next to each other, but after the 1s, and the ones without numerical assignment in their box would come last)..

Maybe being able to compare up to 10 or more at a time.. or if they are put in the order that the user-chooses, then maybe all of them can be compared and prioritized by the user.. and then that would end up allowing an ability for the user to order the wallets in a personalized way..- to customize which ones are next to each other if scrolling through the comparisons?

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Quote from: maxirosson on December 09, 2023, 09:07:08 PM

Added 3 new features to the Hardware Wallets comparison

Imagine having no coin control in hardware wallet Roll Eyes

Well anyone who purchase new Bitkey hardware wallet won't have that option, but they are not the only one.
I was surprised to see that many other hardware wallets don't have this basic feature available, to name some:
Ellipal all models, D'cent, Cypherock, SecuX all models, Ngrave, Prokey, Safepal all models, Keevo, Tangem, CoolWallet, etc.

PS
Bitkey is obviously not open source, according to their website, and latest statements.

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Just noticed one of the hardware wallets that only supported their utility token on its launch, is now supporting Bitcoin ^{[and a few others]} as well: KleverSafe

EAL 5+ Secure Element
12/24 words seed phrase
IP67-Rated
Not compatible with other third-party apps
$199 price tag

Quote from: maxirosson on December 09, 2023, 09:07:08 PM

Added 3 new features to the Hardware Wallets comparison:

Nice additions

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Added 3 new features to the Hardware Wallets comparison:
- Fee Control
- Replace-by-fee (RBF)
- Child-pays-for-parent (CPFP)

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Created a new topic with all the hardware wallets deals on this Black Friday.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63209212

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- Added Ellipal Titan 2.0. The previous Titan wallet is now discountinued.
- Added new Tangem Ring
- SecuX Shield Bio is in stock, not in pre-order.
- Satochip integration on Sparrow

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Quote from: dkbit98 on November 07, 2023, 07:51:03 PM

Quote from: SFR10 on November 07, 2023, 07:38:07 AM

Full HD IPS Display

Totally useless feature for hardware wallet.
Nobody is going to play games or watch movies on ellipal.

Agree but you know how the markets move and you need to bring always "something new" and also you need to justify the price of your product so you start to add nonsense or not utilitty things to the product.

And when you go to massive markets some idiots start to see more the display than the security of the wallet.... Sad but true.

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Quote from: SFR10 on November 07, 2023, 07:38:07 AM

here are the differences with the previous gen:

Well if Forbes is recommending it, than it must be ''good'' Tongue

I don't see any important changes, it still has closed source code, and it's much heavier than most modern smartphones.
With weight of 340g this is a real brick.

Quote from: SFR10 on November 07, 2023, 07:38:07 AM

Full HD IPS Display

Totally useless feature for hardware wallet.
Nobody is going to play games or watch movies on ellipal.

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Yesterday, Ellipal "announced" the second generation of their Titan hardware wallet ^{[ELLIPAL Titan 2.0]} and based on "this comparison page", here are the differences with the previous gen:

EAL 5+ Secure Element ^{[couldn't find any information about its model]}
24 words seed phrase
Linux operating system
3-minute update time ^{[as opposed to 30 minutes]}
Full HD IPS Display
$169 price tag

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Quote from: Ugali on October 29, 2023, 08:08:02 AM

According to the list there is a Bitcoin-only firmware for the new Keystone 3 (Pro).
According to https://keyst.one/firmware this is not true:

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Keystone 3 Pro doesn’t support BTC-Only firmware. We will develop a new BTC-Only product to provide a more dedicated BTC wallet solution

You are right. Fixed. Thanks for reporting that.

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According to the list there is a Bitcoin-only firmware for the new Keystone 3 (Pro).
According to https://keyst.one/firmware this is not true:

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Keystone 3 Pro doesn’t support BTC-Only firmware. We will develop a new BTC-Only product to provide a more dedicated BTC wallet solution

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Farewell, Leo. You will be missed!

Quote from: maxirosson on October 21, 2023, 10:21:32 PM

Yes, using the same website. If you select "Do not add QR cards", no microsd and no usb cable, the price is 80.

You are absolutely right. I am getting the same price now. They did it in a very weird way, though. The moment you select between the assembled and non-assembled unit, it takes the price to $93 even before you make the other selections (QR cards, micro SD card, USB cable). And those aren't set to Yes by default. When you decide against those, it starts lowering the price and eventually reaches $80. My bad. No changes need to be done on your website.

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